[06:27] Mornin ya'll [06:49] o/ [07:05] hello [07:07] morning superfly and all others [07:07] morning all [07:08] yo sflr [07:08] beet you [07:08] beat as well [07:08] hi Kilos, sflr [07:09] aw SmilyBorg really sucks outa power hey? [07:09] who did you beat Kilos? [07:09] morning superfly [07:09] came on less than 1 min before you sflr [07:09] Kilos: yup. Woke up to the sound of my UPS at 2am. surviving on Red bull now [07:09] eish [07:10] haha Kilos, you win [07:10] phoned the electricity department at 5:30. still no power by 7:30 when I left home [07:10] which city SmilyBorg? [07:11] luckily our geyser is fairly well insulated so there was still hot water when we woke up [07:11] Durban [07:11] aw i didnt know durbs has the same probs as us [07:12] hehe, the whole country has power issues from time to time. thats life in ZA [07:12] normally its us maplotters that get pushed to the backseat [07:13] but good to know you in durbs, will start nagging the durbanites for an ubuntu hour soon [07:13] wish Eskom website had a section to check for power outages [07:13] hehe [07:14] getting Durban to do anything is not easy. I tried to resurrect the local LUG last year but we are back to no meetings and a quiet mailing list again. At least we have a mailing list though. [07:14] Durban news: No blackouts despite cold: http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/no-blackouts-despite-cold-1.1318962#.T9rgbbQtjyM [07:14] SmilyBorg: which mailing list is that? [07:15] sflr, its quite amazing. a while back i went to the top of the local govt peeps because of power on offs and 5 mins at a rtime etc and got mails as they passed it down the line. [07:15] though I'm looking to stir things up a bit in the next few months by opening my apartment to small groups once a month for training, hacking, learning, tinkering stuff [07:15] and near the end one mailed showed a pc printout of all the power offs in the area for a month [07:16] http://dbnlug.co.za/ http://groups.google.com/group/dbnlug/ [07:17] thats a great initiative SmilyBorg! [07:17] SmilyBorg, have you joined our list? [07:17] I think our power issues at the moment are hardware failure. that seems to be the usual thing [07:17] which list? [07:17] Kilos: new twitter user to follow: https://twitter.com/#!/DurbanLinux [07:17] I'm on so many [07:17] ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com [07:18] the most important one of course [07:20] sflr: thanks. I'm kinda big on community. Been an isolated geek all my life and the world opened up to me once I went to my first LUG meeting back in 1999ish. So I'm big on trying to get like minded people together to teach and learn from. Sharing knowledge is good. And knowing that there are other like minded people around is a great way to not feel like some sort of freak [07:20] Kilos: will double check that [07:20] might be on it already [07:21] yup, on the list [07:21] SmilyBorg: what's your day job, if I may ask? [07:21] oh you were still in the lurking stage maybe [07:21] just lurk most of the time though [07:21] hehe [07:21] I'm a linux sysadmin/network admin/annoying bitch who tells techies that they are lazy and or stupid [07:22] SmilyBorg: ah, OK [07:22] we have woken up a sleeping giant [07:24] It's kind of a strange position that my co-workers respect my wide knowledge of stuff(well wider than most of them), but they don't like it when I get annoyed that they don't do things properly [07:24] lol human nature [07:25] at least I've calmed down over the years. I worked with a bunch of them about 5 years back, and back then I would throw things at techies who asked stupid questions [07:25] hehe [07:26] patience is a virtue [07:26] and I would tell techies to leave and never come back. One for example was working on an ISP helpdesk. I asked him for his PCs IP since someone was torrenting in the office. he asked how he should find that, so i told him to leave [07:27] not that I have the power to fire anyone, but someone who does not know how to find the IP of a windows box should not be working on an ISP helpdesk [07:27] * Kilos hides [07:28] anyway, I like to think I've mellowed a bit in my "old age", and various changes in my life in the past year or 2 helped too [07:28] lol @ SmilyBorg. [07:29] www.whatismyipaddress.com comes handy sometimes :P [07:29] SmilyBorg, old age? [07:29] do you work for an ISP SmilyBorg ? [07:29] 31, thats ancient in internet time ;-) [07:29] ya, small one [07:30] oh my, the young ones, darling they're the young ones [07:30] sites like that only help if you have live IPs, not so much help behind NAT [07:30] we were talking here last few days about getting a local irc server. Symmetria suggested to go and approach mweb. What do you think of a local ZA freenode irc server? [07:31] sounds like a good idea [07:33] please come to Monday's meeting http://bit.ly/LYp5jY there is lots to discuss. [07:33] I wonder if it might makes sense to talk to the wug.za.net guys about IRC though. They run a server locally that is used by a few WUGS and it might just make sense to pool resources and expand it into the freenode network [07:33] I'll try to make it. just been really busy lately sorting out moving into a new place. [07:33] good idea [07:34] putting it on my callendar now [07:34] ok, it is just one hour, but there are some serious items there. [07:35] time is precious, we shouldnt be longer than 1 hour. if things run longer we can set up other meetings afterwards. [07:35] oki. will do my best to make it [07:35] I hate when at work people run out of time and keep you in meeting [07:35] thanks SmilyBorg [07:36] power and telkom permitting ;-) [07:36] haha, yeah [07:37] SmilyBorg: Do you guys do website hosting or only ISP? [07:38] there is some site hosting, on a windows server in the UK though. glad I dont have to touch that too much. mainly adsl and wireless internet access and VOIP services [07:39] cool. thanks [07:39] very small ISP ;-) [07:39] been beating my co-workers over the head this morning for double NATing a wireless client [07:40] as long as there are customers and making profit, size doesnt matter :) [07:40] I so wish I could just switch everything to IPv6 now [07:40] true. the bills get paid and that's the main thing [07:40] haha, something to talk about later over a beer [07:41] bbl, just gotta go check fences [07:41] ok Kilos, be safe! [07:41] ty sflr will do [07:41] the big man is on my side [07:41] enjoy [07:42] inetpro, is gonna be shocked when he reads logs this morning [07:43] SmilyBorg last night we talked about setting up an NPO to create a legal entity for this community, so we could get sponsorhips for events and spreading the good news [07:43] hehe [07:43] cool [07:43] being an NPO can really open doors [07:43] hmm... who woke me up so early? Kilos, that you? [07:43] good morning gents [07:43] ha ha ha [07:44] hi inetpro [07:44] we still don't have ladys in here, do we? [07:44] hi inetpro you got lotsa reading [07:44] hi inetpro . did the alarm go off? hehe [07:44] later [07:44] yes you do [07:44] hi SmilyBorg, nice to see some durbanites in here [07:44] have ladies in there I mean [07:44] thanks [07:44] well, one at least I mean [07:44] ladies? [07:45] me [07:45] SmilyBorg: eh [07:45] thought Maaz is a sex bomb! [07:45] hmm... [07:46] what's wrong inetpro? [07:47] * inetpro has some fleas to kill [07:48] SmilyBorg: these are the requirements for freenode server hosting https://www.freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml [07:48] SmilyBorg: whether man or woman doesn't really matter, you're welcome regardless [07:48] oh, on the subject of NPOs, one group I'm involved with was able to get free use of the "multi purpose" room at the local library because they are an NPO. Non NPOs have to pay like R60-80 an hour or something/ [07:48] where is fleas? dog? [07:49] sflr: fleas in the office, can't focus me attention in here [07:49] Thanks inetpro. That's the way it should be. :-) [07:49] SmilyBorg: tell us more about your NPO knowledge? :) [07:49] at the office? oh no. gonna be a long day [07:50] I don't know much, just the little bit that I heard from the guy who runs the group [07:50] SmilyBorg: so I guess I shall stick to just good morning everyone then :-) [07:50] * inetpro wbb [07:50] hehe, well "good morning people" works too [07:50] ;-) [07:51] wow, fairly basic requirements for an IRC server. guess bandwidth is the real killer though [07:52] lol [07:53] bandwidth is never a killer [07:53] until you get attacked [07:53] hehe [07:53] ya [07:53] bandwidth on irc servers is next to nothing [07:53] * Symmetria just asked his gardener to play with his pup so he could actually work :P [07:53] hehe [07:54] god puppy was being a nightmare, trying to work and she's getting all cross that Im not playing with her, so she jumps on my lap and tries to bite my hands while Im typing [07:54] (and she weighs 30 kilograms) [07:54] aww [07:54] not to mention I have no socks to wear cause she stole them all! arghhhh [07:54] hehe [07:54] hehe [07:54] she's cute just really full of energy [07:55] one of my dad's neighbors used to have a cat who would come into our house and steal socks out of our cupboards [07:55] strangest thing [07:56] lol, we used a radar gun to see how fast my dog could run on the beach [07:56] she managed to hit 50 kilometers an hour :p [07:56] wow [07:56] and she never stops running [07:56] lol, will show you a photo in a second, its uploading :P lol, good photo to, shows what my new toy can really do :) [08:01] hey Symmetria! [08:01] lol @ the cat stealing socks! haha [08:02] http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie6.jpg [08:02] heh [08:02] took that yesterday with the 7D [08:06] aww. cute puppy [08:06] hehe the quality of that photo is just sick [08:06] yeah [08:14] Maaz, google twitter commands [08:14] Kilos: "Twitter Help Center | Twitter SMS Commands" http://support.twitter.com/articles/14020-twitter-sms-commands :: "List of Twitter Commands [splitbrain.org]" http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2008-01/22-list_of_twitter_commands :: "Twitter Syntax · Microformats Wiki" http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-syntax :: "Top 7 Twitter Commands Everyone Should Know" http://cantondog.com/128/top-7-twitter-commands-everyone-should-know/ :: "36 Thin [08:15] sjoe inetpro die mense kan gesels ne [08:15] Kilos: eh, ja looks like we're in for some fun today [08:16] SmilyBorg: you sure sound like one of a kind [08:16] great [08:16] I like that attitude [08:16] definitely [08:16] :-) [08:16] thanks [08:16] and maybe maia too [08:16] we do have chicks here [08:17] mrs_fly, good morning [08:17] and [08:17] confluency, [08:17] hehe [08:18] the world doesnt have enough geekchicks [08:19] hehe, we exist, just many lurk in the shadows because too many buys make to much of a big deal about it [08:19] guys [08:19] that or people assume we don't know our stuff [08:20] SmilyBorg: true [08:20] is that why you lurked so long here? [08:21] this is the happiest friendliest irc channel around [08:21] I don't think my girlfriend went to more than 2 or 3 Lug meetings last year because of some of the highly abrasive and misogynistic personalities, though she is still a very dedicated list admin [08:21] most of the time I lurk because I'm busy with other stuff [08:22] in general you wont find me anywhere near any lug meetings [08:22] I got sick of the religion at those meetings [08:22] why not Symmetria? [08:22] oh [08:22] I guess it depends on the group [08:22] SmilyBorg because everything out there has a purpose, if it didnt, it wouldnt exist, and instead of people taking about the virtues of X, they spent their time slagging on other things [08:23] * SmilyBorg nods [08:23] religion? as in people being religious towards ubuntu? or actual religion? [08:23] like it or not, windows has a place, just as linux has a place, just as qnx has a place, just as BSD has a place, its not a productive use of time to sit slagging on microsoft :) [08:23] right [08:23] banlam as in "bow down and worship the linux kernel and all that is ubuntu, and everything else is of the devil and should burn in the fires of hell" [08:23] :p [08:24] i agree with you there [08:24] hehe [08:24] ya. I have my dig at the M$ stuff now and then, but it all has its place and to me its all about having the choices available to us. everyone is free to choose [08:25] my biggest complaint is that linux users scream that opensource gives them choice, but they dont want choice, they want world domination :p [08:25] lol [08:25] hehe [08:25] good point [08:25] its like the ANC, ZOMG WE WANT DEMOCRACY! "Oh shit, we're losing some votes, quick, lets rig it" :p [08:25] lol [08:26] hehe, thats annother story. one of our LUG members became a DA councelor after being in linux/IT for 10 years or more [08:27] heh, I use a combination of pretty much everything [08:27] windows, linux, osx, qnx, bsd [08:27] aint used solaris in a fair while but know my way around that as well [08:27] at the end of the day, the only thing I tend to get somewhat religeous about these days is open standards. as long as things interoperate, then I dont care what someone else uses, just don't expect me to fix it [08:28] was actually really suprised to see QNX finally being used by for something productive [08:28] SmilyBorg heh, Im pretty particular about open standards and implementations in the network gear I use [08:28] I point blank refuse to use network protocols that are proprietary [08:28] oh? pleas tell me you don't mean for blackberry ;-) [08:28] (eigrp for example) [08:28] ^ [08:29] with you there [08:29] then again, the network vendors cant seem to agree on anything yet [08:29] hehe [08:29] for the better part of 8 or 9 months, 100GE interfaces from one vendor wouldnt talk to another [08:30] eek [08:30] because IETF couldnt agree on the 100GE standard [08:30] hehe, typical [08:30] heh, ZR networking optics STILL arent standardized [08:30] (ZR being 80 kilometer single wavelength optics) [08:31] gonna get fun with the competition between TRILL and SPB [08:31] and the various forms of BGP origin validation stuff that is flying around [08:31] heh, occasionally though, someone proposes an open standard that is so bizarre and dangerous that some of us stand up and scream [08:32] SmilyBorg *RPKI NEEDS TO DIE* [08:32] hehe [08:32] I am probably the most vocal opponent of RPKI on the continent right now [08:32] havnt delved into it yet. just herd about it the other day on the packetpushers.net podcast [08:32] I had a huge go at afrinic for going down that path in gambia 3 weeks ago [08:33] heh rpki is dangerous, more dangerous than I can even begin to explain [08:34] how so? because of the centralized root authority or something else? [08:35] centralized root authority for one thing, and the risk of government interfearance [08:35] * SmilyBorg nods [08:35] there is already enough bullshit going on out there with governments trying to take control [08:36] true [08:36] the DHS accidently revoked 80k domains a few months ago [08:36] verisign revoked a domain that was not even registered by a US company or a US citizen, under a US court order [08:36] "accidentally" [08:37] heh, the 80k thing was a royal screwup [08:37] the second one was very deliberate [08:37] pirate bay or something? [08:37] ya, thats ridiculous. the internet should not be under any form of government control in my opinion [08:40] banlam heh, an online gambling site [08:40] they said gambling was illegal in the particular state that granted the court order [08:40] oh, an american one? [08:40] so they revoked the domain [08:41] lol [08:41] no, it was a canadian one :p [08:41] load of b.s if you ask me :) [08:41] wow [08:41] is nothing sacred [08:41] what's your feeling on the new top level domains? I think it's a waste of time personally [08:42] lo, its pure vanity [08:42] hehe [08:42] yeah [08:42] yeah, it just seems like it's going to complicate matters [08:42] unnecessarily [08:42] gonna confuse people [08:43] :P I still want co.ke though [08:43] is ke currently a tld? [08:43] kenya? [08:43] then I can sell columbian.co.ke to some drug dealer for millions [08:43] :p [08:43] yeah [08:43] lol [08:43] I once tried very hard to get someone to make me piz.za :P [08:43] we've spent the last 20 years teaching people to go to companyname.com. now they are gonna be screwed being told to go to docs.google or itunes.apple or something [08:43] do you have any idea how much hut.piz.za would be worth? [08:44] a helluva lot [08:44] hehe [08:44] yum [08:44] do kenya also do the xyz.co.za [08:44] or just xyz.ke [08:44] .ke * [08:44] or.ke etc [08:44] they have a second level there [08:45] so same setup as SA [08:45] yeah [08:45] and most other countries [08:45] i like the setup [08:45] brb, I need a smoke :) [08:45] but it does prevent you playing wiht names [08:45] more people with control [08:45] like i would get gare.th [08:46] if they weren't so damn expensive [08:48] Yikes! You guys sure are having fun in here today. [08:48] Maaz: what's for lunch [08:48] inetpro: A bowl of miso soup and noodles [08:48] that's a good thing [08:48] yuck [08:49] oh my [08:50] * Kilos needs to make my scroll back remember more that 1400 lines i think [08:54] holy shit [08:54] I just saw the price of an underwater housing [08:54] for my camera [08:54] kenya is co.ke [08:54] nigeria com.ng [08:55] how much is the housing Symmetria ? [08:56] Banlam: you can try to register via local isp [08:57] sflr about 15 grand ! [08:57] sflr, what do you mean? the price is still damn expensive, and they don't allow xyz.th domains, only a xyz.co.th [08:58] Symmetria, when i start work and get myself a new camera, I'm gonna try make myself a case for my 350D :) [08:58] I say "how hard can it be" [08:59] *CHOKE* [08:59] look at this: [08:59] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nauticam-NA-7D-housing-Canon-camera/dp/B006UD93EA/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1339750701&sr=8-19 [09:00] does it come with the camera :P [09:00] I wonder if anybody bought it. there are no reviews. haha [09:01] if they've made the product, someones bought it [09:01] companies don't spend thousands-millions of dollars on product development if there's no market, generally in any case [09:02] was just kidding. lol [09:02] damn sarcasm tags :P [09:03] Banlam I see what you mean with the th domain being expensive :/ [09:04] yeah, for the time being i'm quite happy with my R80pa .com [09:04] what about Gar.et/h? [09:05] wtf is et? estonia or something? [09:05] ethiopia :) [09:05] lulz [09:05] what do they gofor? [09:06] top level not allowed I think, you can only use .com.et, etc [09:06] ai [09:07] banl.am would work. Armenia [09:07] :P [09:08] Banlam, did you give me the follow command for twitter? [09:08] i did [09:08] is unfollow also one [09:08] https://www.amnic.net/ [09:09] try it :) [09:09] "Gwibber doess alllow follow/unfollow from the profile view, since about 3.1.6 or so." [09:10] what happens if you try to view the person's profile? [09:11] isnt there a better twitter client alternative? [09:11] * Banlam uses the browser or phone's client [09:11] i see no profile choice anywhere [09:11] grrr [09:12] lemme try setup gtwitter and see whats there [09:13] * inetpro uses choqok with an update interval of 30 minutes [09:13] the web interface unfortunately talks to much the whole time [09:13] is choqok inna repos inetpro ? [09:14] just checked now gwibber. designed by developers. it is far from a true twitter user experience. [09:14] yeah gwibber is basic once you have setup online methinks [09:17] unfortunately, at least last time I tried, choqok didn't work so nicely in the normal Ubuntu interface [09:18] Kilos: but yes choqok is in the repos [09:19] 5 linux twitter clients: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-linux-twitter-clients/ [09:25] SmilyBorg: your power restored yet? [09:26] dunno. I'm at work and the power issue was at home [09:26] hopefully telkom will call soon about my new ADSL line install soon, will go check on it then [09:26] hmm... [09:27] sjoe spanne k stuff to install [09:28] SmilyBorg: BTW, what desktop are you using, just for interest sake [09:29] betycha not kde [09:29] um..lets see. using gnome 3 on my work and home desktops, and the gnome-no-frills-compatibility-crippled-version on my laptop since AMD/ATI stopped supporting my video chip [09:29] actualy been contemplating trying kde again [09:30] the pro and the fly are kde fans [09:30] gnome 3 is nice, but I miss the flexibility of gnome 2 [09:30] and the addons are just not doing it for me [09:30] you dont like unity? [09:31] I didn't like it when it first came out. I should probably give the latest version a go [09:31] it was way laggy on my old work pc though [09:31] I think Unity has come a very long way and is starting to look promising [09:32] there were some complaints in the lists about that but they sorted them [09:32] it seems to have some nice ideas [09:33] but KDE is IMHO the most underestimated giant [09:34] a default install is perhaps not the most inviting and that is where unity is winning the race for the everyday user [09:34] sflr, is happy with it [09:34] ya. I used to use KDE for many years. I loved the integration between the mail and chat client, and so much of the 4.x rework did some cool stuff. I think the big change hurt them though, much like the change to gnome 3 has hurt gnome [09:35] i mean unity sorry [09:35] SmilyBorg: very true [09:37] eish now poqok setting up [09:37] * Kilos hates setting stuff up [09:37] oh choqok sorry [09:43] i'm running ubuntu desktop 12.04 using unity 3d. happy so far [09:49] I'll probably give unity another look once my home PC is setup again. being in the middle of a move, it's currently unplugged [09:49] and has no desk to sit on [09:50] if telkom actualy arrive today, then maybe I can get it setup again this weekend [09:51] yeah then you can be at mondays meet [09:51] :-) [09:51] hehe i love stirring [09:51] guess I could allways try to participate from my phone or tablet if push came to shove [09:52] some of the guys do [09:52] oh you are a guy here hey [09:52] guy=person here [09:53] hehe, ya, the non gendered version of guy [09:54] hehe [09:57] anyone else using choqok? [09:58] text so tiny i have to use reading glasses [09:58] pidgin here [09:58] oh pidgin twitter? [09:59] no. I use tweetdeck for twitter these days. I think pidgin can do twitter though. or at least it used to be able to [10:00] i have used pidgin twitter but then all the peeps came off the bottom of the screen [10:00] * SmilyBorg nods [10:00] hehe [10:00] hehe, twittering-mode for emacs. why am I not surprised? [10:01] just did a search for twitter in synaptic [10:02] other than IRC/IM I tend to use web apps and chrome pluggins for most stuff these days [10:02] saves me having to sync stuff between PCs [10:03] yeah [10:04] also plugged fairly securely into the google/android ecosystem too [10:04] i try not use browser as much as possible [10:05] pidgin xchat and mail mainly [10:08] i follow the same practice SmilyBorg. living in the cloud :) nowadays many apps were ported to Chrome which makes things convenient to use [10:09]