[06:27] <HawkiesZA> Mornin ya'll
[06:49] <superfly> o/
[07:05] <Squirm[A]> hello
[07:07] <Kilos> morning superfly and all others
[07:07] <sflr> morning all
[07:08] <Kilos> yo sflr 
[07:08] <Kilos> beet you
[07:08] <Kilos> beat as well
[07:08] <superfly> hi Kilos, sflr
[07:09] <Kilos> aw SmilyBorg really sucks outa power hey?
[07:09] <sflr> who did you beat Kilos?
[07:09] <sflr> morning superfly
[07:09] <Kilos> came on less than 1 min before you sflr 
[07:09] <SmilyBorg> Kilos: yup. Woke up to the sound of my UPS at 2am. surviving on Red bull now
[07:09] <Kilos> eish
[07:10] <sflr> haha Kilos, you win
[07:10] <SmilyBorg> phoned the electricity department at 5:30. still no power by 7:30 when I left home
[07:10] <sflr> which city SmilyBorg?
[07:11] <SmilyBorg> luckily our geyser is fairly well insulated so there was still hot water when we woke up
[07:11] <SmilyBorg> Durban
[07:11] <Kilos> aw i didnt know durbs has the same probs as us
[07:12] <SmilyBorg> hehe, the whole country has power issues from time to time. thats life in ZA
[07:12] <Kilos> normally its us maplotters that get pushed to the backseat
[07:13] <Kilos> but good to know you in durbs, will start nagging the durbanites for an ubuntu hour soon
[07:13] <sflr> wish Eskom website had a section to check for power outages
[07:13] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[07:14] <SmilyBorg> getting Durban to do anything is not easy. I tried to resurrect the local LUG last year but we are back to no meetings and a quiet mailing list again. At least we have a mailing list though. 
[07:14] <sflr> Durban news: No blackouts despite cold: http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/no-blackouts-despite-cold-1.1318962#.T9rgbbQtjyM
[07:14] <superfly> SmilyBorg: which mailing list is that?
[07:15] <Kilos> sflr, its quite amazing. a while back i went to the top of the local govt peeps because of power on offs and 5 mins at a rtime etc and got mails as they passed it down the line.
[07:15] <SmilyBorg> though I'm looking to stir things up a bit in the next few months by opening my apartment to small groups once a month for training, hacking, learning, tinkering stuff
[07:15] <Kilos> and near the end one mailed showed a pc printout of all the power offs in the area for a month
[07:16] <SmilyBorg> http://dbnlug.co.za/  http://groups.google.com/group/dbnlug/
[07:17] <sflr> thats a great initiative SmilyBorg!
[07:17] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, have you joined our list?
[07:17] <SmilyBorg> I think our power issues at the moment are hardware failure. that seems to be the usual thing
[07:17] <SmilyBorg> which list?
[07:17] <sflr> Kilos: new twitter user to follow: https://twitter.com/#!/DurbanLinux
[07:17] <SmilyBorg> I'm on so many
[07:17] <Kilos> ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <Kilos> the most important one of course
[07:20] <SmilyBorg> sflr: thanks. I'm kinda big on community. Been an isolated geek all my life and the world opened up to me once I went to my first LUG meeting back in 1999ish. So I'm big on trying to get like minded people together to teach and learn from. Sharing knowledge is good. And knowing that there are other like minded people around is a great way to not feel like some sort of freak
[07:20] <SmilyBorg> Kilos: will double check that
[07:20] <SmilyBorg> might be on it already
[07:21] <SmilyBorg> yup, on the list
[07:21] <superfly> SmilyBorg: what's your day job, if I may ask?
[07:21] <Kilos> oh you were still in the lurking stage maybe
[07:21] <SmilyBorg> just lurk most of the time though
[07:21] <Kilos> hehe
[07:21] <SmilyBorg> I'm a linux sysadmin/network admin/annoying bitch who tells techies that they are lazy and or stupid
[07:22] <superfly> SmilyBorg: ah, OK
[07:22] <Kilos> we have woken up a sleeping giant
[07:24] <SmilyBorg> It's kind of a strange position that my co-workers respect my wide knowledge of stuff(well wider than most of them), but they don't like it when I get annoyed that they don't do things properly
[07:24] <Kilos> lol human nature
[07:25] <SmilyBorg> at least I've calmed down over the years. I worked with a bunch of them about 5 years back, and back then I would throw things at techies who asked stupid questions
[07:25] <Kilos> hehe
[07:26] <Kilos> patience is a virtue
[07:26] <SmilyBorg> and I would tell techies to leave and never come back. One for example was working on an ISP helpdesk. I asked him for his PCs IP since someone was torrenting in the office. he asked how he should find that, so i told him to leave
[07:27] <SmilyBorg> not that I have the power to fire anyone, but someone who does not know how to find the IP of a windows box should not be working on an ISP helpdesk
[07:27]  * Kilos hides
[07:28] <SmilyBorg> anyway, I like to think I've mellowed a bit in my "old age", and various changes in my life in the past year or 2 helped too
[07:28] <sflr> lol @ SmilyBorg.
[07:29] <sflr> www.whatismyipaddress.com comes handy sometimes :P
[07:29] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, old age?
[07:29] <sflr> do you work for an ISP SmilyBorg ?
[07:29] <SmilyBorg> 31, thats ancient in internet time ;-)
[07:29] <SmilyBorg> ya, small one
[07:30] <Kilos> oh my, the young ones, darling they're the young ones
[07:30] <SmilyBorg> sites like that only help if you have live IPs, not so much help behind NAT
[07:30] <sflr> we were talking here last few days about getting a local irc server. Symmetria suggested to go and approach mweb. What do you think of a local ZA freenode irc server?
[07:31] <SmilyBorg> sounds like a good idea
[07:33] <sflr> please come to Monday's meeting http://bit.ly/LYp5jY there is lots to discuss.
[07:33] <SmilyBorg> I wonder if it might makes sense to talk to the wug.za.net guys about IRC though. They run a server locally that is used by a few WUGS and it might just make sense to pool resources and expand it into the freenode network
[07:33] <SmilyBorg> I'll try to make it. just been really busy lately sorting out moving into a new place.
[07:33] <Kilos> good idea
[07:34] <SmilyBorg> putting it on my callendar now
[07:34] <sflr> ok, it is just one hour, but there are some serious items there.
[07:35] <sflr> time is precious, we shouldnt be longer than 1 hour. if things run longer we can set up other meetings afterwards.
[07:35] <SmilyBorg> oki. will do my best to make it
[07:35] <sflr> I hate when at work people run out of time and keep you in meeting
[07:35] <sflr> thanks SmilyBorg 
[07:36] <SmilyBorg> power and telkom permitting ;-)
[07:36] <sflr> haha, yeah
[07:37] <sflr> SmilyBorg: Do you guys do website hosting or only ISP?
[07:38] <SmilyBorg> there is some site hosting, on a windows server in the UK though. glad I dont have to touch that too much. mainly adsl and wireless internet access and VOIP services
[07:39] <sflr> cool. thanks
[07:39] <SmilyBorg> very small ISP ;-)
[07:39] <SmilyBorg> been beating my co-workers over the head this morning for double NATing a wireless client
[07:40] <sflr> as long as there are customers and making profit, size doesnt matter :)
[07:40] <SmilyBorg> I so wish I could just switch everything to IPv6 now
[07:40] <SmilyBorg> true. the bills get paid and that's the main thing
[07:40] <sflr> haha, something to talk about later over a beer
[07:41] <Kilos> bbl, just gotta go check fences
[07:41] <sflr> ok Kilos, be safe!
[07:41] <Kilos> ty sflr will do
[07:41] <Kilos> the big man is on my side
[07:41] <SmilyBorg> enjoy
[07:42] <Kilos> inetpro, is gonna be shocked when he reads logs this morning
[07:43] <sflr> SmilyBorg last night we talked about setting up an NPO to create a legal entity for this community, so we could get sponsorhips for events and spreading the good news
[07:43] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[07:43] <SmilyBorg> cool
[07:43] <SmilyBorg> being an NPO can really open doors
[07:43] <inetpro> hmm... who woke me up so early? Kilos, that you?
[07:43] <inetpro> good morning gents
[07:43] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[07:44] <SmilyBorg> hi inetpro
[07:44] <inetpro> we still don't have ladys in here, do we?
[07:44] <Kilos> hi inetpro you got lotsa reading
[07:44] <sflr> hi inetpro . did the alarm go off? hehe
[07:44] <Kilos> later
[07:44] <SmilyBorg> yes you do
[07:44] <inetpro> hi SmilyBorg, nice to see some durbanites in here
[07:44] <SmilyBorg> have ladies in there I mean
[07:44] <SmilyBorg> thanks
[07:44] <SmilyBorg> well, one at least I mean
[07:44] <sflr> ladies?
[07:45] <SmilyBorg> me
[07:45] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: eh
[07:45] <sflr> thought Maaz is a sex bomb!
[07:45] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:46] <SmilyBorg> what's wrong inetpro?
[07:47]  * inetpro has some fleas to kill
[07:48] <sflr> SmilyBorg: these are the requirements for freenode server hosting https://www.freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml
[07:48] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: whether man or woman doesn't really matter, you're welcome regardless
[07:48] <SmilyBorg> oh, on the subject of NPOs, one group I'm involved with was able to get free use of the "multi purpose" room at the local library because they are an NPO. Non NPOs have to pay like R60-80 an hour or something/
[07:48] <sflr> where is fleas? dog?
[07:49] <inetpro> sflr: fleas in the office, can't focus me attention in here
[07:49] <SmilyBorg> Thanks inetpro. That's the way it should be. :-)
[07:49] <sflr> SmilyBorg: tell us more about your NPO knowledge? :)
[07:49] <sflr> at the office? oh no. gonna be a long day
[07:50] <SmilyBorg> I don't know much, just the little bit that I heard from the guy who runs the group
[07:50] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: so I guess I shall stick to just good morning everyone then :-)
[07:50]  * inetpro wbb
[07:50] <SmilyBorg> hehe, well "good morning people" works too
[07:50] <SmilyBorg> ;-)
[07:51] <SmilyBorg> wow, fairly basic requirements for an IRC server. guess bandwidth is the real killer though
[07:52] <Symmetria> lol
[07:53] <Symmetria> bandwidth is never a killer
[07:53] <Symmetria> until you get attacked
[07:53] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[07:53] <SmilyBorg> ya
[07:53] <Symmetria> bandwidth on irc servers is next to nothing 
[07:53]  * Symmetria just asked his gardener to play with his pup so he could actually work :P
[07:53] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[07:54] <Symmetria> god puppy was being a nightmare, trying to work and she's getting all cross that Im not playing with her, so she jumps on my lap and tries to bite my hands while Im typing
[07:54] <Symmetria> (and she weighs 30 kilograms)
[07:54] <SmilyBorg> aww
[07:54] <Symmetria> not to mention I have no socks to wear cause she stole them all! arghhhh
[07:54] <Symmetria> hehe
[07:54] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[07:54] <Symmetria> she's cute just really full of energy
[07:55] <SmilyBorg> one of my dad's neighbors used to have a cat who would come into our house and steal socks out of our cupboards
[07:55] <SmilyBorg> strangest thing
[07:56] <Symmetria> lol, we used a radar gun to see how fast my dog could run on the beach 
[07:56] <Symmetria> she managed to hit 50 kilometers an hour :p
[07:56] <SmilyBorg> wow
[07:56] <Symmetria> and she never stops running
[07:56] <Symmetria> lol, will show you a photo in a second, its uploading :P lol, good photo to, shows what my new toy can really do :)
[08:01] <sflr> hey Symmetria!
[08:01] <sflr> lol @ the cat stealing socks! haha
[08:02] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie6.jpg
[08:02] <Symmetria> heh
[08:02] <Symmetria> took that yesterday with the 7D 
[08:06] <SmilyBorg> aww. cute puppy
[08:06] <Symmetria> hehe the quality of that photo is just sick
[08:06] <SmilyBorg> yeah
[08:14] <Kilos> Maaz, google twitter commands
[08:14] <Maaz> Kilos: "Twitter Help Center | Twitter SMS Commands" http://support.twitter.com/articles/14020-twitter-sms-commands :: "List of Twitter Commands [splitbrain.org]" http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2008-01/22-list_of_twitter_commands :: "Twitter Syntax · Microformats Wiki" http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-syntax :: "Top 7 Twitter Commands Everyone Should Know" http://cantondog.com/128/top-7-twitter-commands-everyone-should-know/ :: "36 Thin
[08:15] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro die mense kan gesels ne
[08:15] <inetpro> Kilos: eh, ja looks like we're in for some fun today
[08:16] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: you sure sound like one of a kind 
[08:16] <Kilos> great
[08:16] <inetpro> I like that attitude
[08:16] <Kilos> definitely
[08:16] <SmilyBorg> :-)
[08:16] <SmilyBorg> thanks
[08:16] <Kilos> and maybe maia too
[08:16] <Kilos> we do have chicks here
[08:17] <Kilos> mrs_fly, good morning
[08:17] <Kilos> and
[08:17] <Kilos> confluency, 
[08:17] <Kilos> hehe
[08:18] <Kilos> the world doesnt have enough geekchicks
[08:19] <SmilyBorg> hehe, we exist, just many lurk in the shadows because too many buys make to much of a big deal about it
[08:19] <SmilyBorg> guys
[08:19] <SmilyBorg> that or people assume we don't know our stuff
[08:20] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: true
[08:20] <Kilos> is that why you lurked so long here?
[08:21] <Kilos> this is the happiest friendliest irc channel around
[08:21] <SmilyBorg> I don't  think my girlfriend went to more than 2 or 3 Lug meetings last year because of some of the highly abrasive and misogynistic  personalities, though she is still a very dedicated list admin
[08:21] <SmilyBorg> most of the time I lurk because I'm busy with other stuff
[08:22] <Symmetria> in general you wont find me anywhere near any lug meetings
[08:22] <Symmetria> I got sick of the religion at those meetings 
[08:22] <SmilyBorg> why not Symmetria?
[08:22] <SmilyBorg> oh
[08:22] <SmilyBorg> I guess it depends on the group
[08:22] <Symmetria> SmilyBorg because everything out there has a purpose, if it didnt, it wouldnt exist, and instead of people taking about the virtues of X, they spent their time slagging on other things
[08:23]  * SmilyBorg nods
[08:23] <Banlam> religion? as in people being religious towards ubuntu? or actual religion?
[08:23] <Symmetria> like it or not, windows has a place, just as linux has a place, just as qnx has a place, just as BSD has a place, its not a productive use of time to sit slagging on microsoft :)
[08:23] <Banlam> right
[08:23] <Symmetria> banlam as in "bow down and worship the linux kernel and all that is ubuntu, and everything else is of the devil and should burn in the fires of hell"
[08:23] <Symmetria> :p
[08:24] <Banlam> i agree with you there
[08:24] <Kilos> hehe
[08:24] <SmilyBorg> ya. I have my dig at the M$ stuff now and then, but it all has its place and to me its all about having the choices available to us. everyone is free to choose
[08:25] <Symmetria> my biggest complaint is that linux users scream that opensource gives them choice, but they dont want choice, they want world domination :p
[08:25] <Symmetria> lol
[08:25] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[08:25] <SmilyBorg> good point
[08:25] <Symmetria> its like the ANC, ZOMG WE WANT DEMOCRACY! "Oh shit, we're losing some votes, quick, lets rig it" :p
[08:25] <SmilyBorg> lol
[08:26] <SmilyBorg> hehe, thats annother story. one of our LUG members became a DA councelor after being in linux/IT for 10 years or more
[08:27] <Symmetria> heh, I use a combination of pretty much everything
[08:27] <Symmetria> windows, linux, osx, qnx, bsd
[08:27] <Symmetria> aint used solaris in a fair while but know my way around that as well 
[08:27] <SmilyBorg> at the end of the day, the only thing I tend to get somewhat religeous about these days is open standards. as long as things interoperate, then I dont care what someone else uses, just don't expect me to fix it
[08:28] <Symmetria> was actually really suprised to see QNX finally being used by for something productive
[08:28] <Symmetria> SmilyBorg heh, Im pretty particular about open standards and implementations in the network gear I use
[08:28] <Symmetria> I point blank refuse to use network protocols that are proprietary 
[08:28] <SmilyBorg> oh? pleas tell me you don't mean for blackberry ;-)
[08:28] <Symmetria> (eigrp for example)
[08:28] <SmilyBorg> ^
[08:29] <SmilyBorg> with you there
[08:29] <Symmetria> then again, the network vendors cant seem to agree on anything yet
[08:29] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[08:29] <Symmetria> for the better part of 8 or 9 months, 100GE interfaces from one vendor wouldnt talk to another
[08:30] <SmilyBorg> eek
[08:30] <Symmetria> because IETF couldnt agree on the 100GE standard
[08:30] <SmilyBorg> hehe, typical
[08:30] <Symmetria> heh, ZR networking optics STILL arent standardized 
[08:30] <Symmetria> (ZR being 80 kilometer single wavelength optics)
[08:31] <SmilyBorg> gonna get fun with the competition between TRILL and SPB
[08:31] <SmilyBorg> and the various forms of BGP origin validation stuff that is flying around
[08:31] <Symmetria> heh, occasionally though, someone proposes an open standard that is so bizarre and dangerous that some of us stand up and scream
[08:32] <Symmetria> SmilyBorg *RPKI NEEDS TO DIE*
[08:32] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[08:32] <Symmetria> I am probably the most vocal opponent of RPKI on the continent right now
[08:32] <SmilyBorg> havnt delved into it yet. just herd about it the other day on the packetpushers.net podcast
[08:32] <Symmetria> I had a huge go at afrinic for going down that path in gambia 3 weeks ago
[08:33] <Symmetria> heh rpki is dangerous, more dangerous than I can even begin to explain 
[08:34] <SmilyBorg> how so? because of the centralized root authority or something else?
[08:35] <Symmetria> centralized root authority for one thing, and the risk of government interfearance 
[08:35]  * SmilyBorg nods
[08:35] <Symmetria> there is already enough bullshit going on out there with governments trying to take control
[08:36] <SmilyBorg> true
[08:36] <Symmetria> the DHS accidently revoked 80k domains a few months ago 
[08:36] <Symmetria> verisign revoked a domain that was not even registered by a US company or a US citizen, under a US court order
[08:36] <SmilyBorg> "accidentally"
[08:37] <Symmetria> heh, the 80k thing was a royal screwup
[08:37] <Symmetria> the second one was very deliberate
[08:37] <Banlam> pirate bay or something?
[08:37] <SmilyBorg> ya, thats ridiculous. the internet should not be under any form of government control in my opinion
[08:40] <Symmetria> banlam heh, an online gambling site
[08:40] <Symmetria> they said gambling was illegal in the particular state that granted the court order
[08:40] <Banlam> oh, an american one?
[08:40] <Symmetria> so they revoked the domain 
[08:41] <Banlam> lol
[08:41] <Symmetria> no, it was a canadian one :p
[08:41] <Symmetria> load of b.s if you ask me :)
[08:41] <Banlam> wow
[08:41] <Banlam> is nothing sacred
[08:41] <Banlam> what's your feeling on the new top level domains? I think it's a waste of time personally
[08:42] <Symmetria> lo, its pure vanity
[08:42] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[08:42] <SmilyBorg> yeah
[08:42] <Banlam> yeah, it just seems like it's going to complicate matters
[08:42] <Banlam> unnecessarily
[08:42] <SmilyBorg> gonna confuse people
[08:43] <Symmetria> :P I still want co.ke though
[08:43] <Banlam> is ke currently a tld?
[08:43] <Banlam> kenya?
[08:43] <Symmetria> then I can sell columbian.co.ke to some drug dealer for millions
[08:43] <Symmetria> :p
[08:43] <Symmetria> yeah
[08:43] <Banlam> lol
[08:43] <Symmetria> I once tried very hard to get someone to make me piz.za :P
[08:43] <SmilyBorg> we've spent the last 20 years teaching people to go to companyname.com. now they are gonna be screwed being told to go to docs.google or itunes.apple or something
[08:43] <Symmetria> do you have any idea how much hut.piz.za would be worth?
[08:44] <Banlam> a helluva lot
[08:44] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[08:44] <SmilyBorg> yum
[08:44] <Banlam> do kenya also do the xyz.co.za
[08:44] <Banlam> or just xyz.ke
[08:44] <Banlam> .ke *
[08:44] <Symmetria> or.ke etc 
[08:44] <Symmetria> they have a second level there 
[08:45] <Banlam> so same setup as SA
[08:45] <Symmetria> yeah
[08:45] <Symmetria> and most other countries 
[08:45] <Banlam> i like the setup
[08:45] <Symmetria> brb, I need a smoke :)
[08:45] <Banlam> but it does prevent you playing wiht names
[08:45] <Kerbero> more people with control
[08:45] <Banlam> like i would get gare.th
[08:46] <Banlam> if they weren't so damn expensive
[08:48] <inetpro> Yikes! You guys sure are having fun in here today.
[08:48] <inetpro> Maaz: what's for lunch
[08:48] <Maaz> inetpro: A bowl of miso soup and noodles
[08:48] <Kerbero> that's a good thing
[08:48] <inetpro> yuck
[08:49] <Kilos> oh my
[08:50]  * Kilos needs to make my scroll back remember more that 1400 lines i think
[08:54] <Symmetria> holy shit
[08:54] <Symmetria> I just saw the price of an underwater housing
[08:54] <Symmetria> for my camera
[08:54] <sflr> kenya is co.ke
[08:54] <sflr> nigeria com.ng
[08:55] <sflr> how much is the housing Symmetria ?
[08:56] <sflr> Banlam: you can try to register via local isp
[08:57] <Symmetria> sflr about 15 grand !
[08:57] <Banlam> sflr, what do you mean? the price is still damn expensive, and they don't allow xyz.th domains, only a xyz.co.th
[08:58] <Banlam> Symmetria, when i start work and get myself a new camera, I'm gonna try make myself a case for my 350D :)
[08:58] <Banlam> I say "how hard can it be"
[08:59] <Symmetria> *CHOKE*
[08:59] <Symmetria> look at this:
[08:59] <Symmetria> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nauticam-NA-7D-housing-Canon-camera/dp/B006UD93EA/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1339750701&sr=8-19
[09:00] <Banlam> does it come with the camera :P
[09:00] <sflr> I wonder if anybody bought it. there are no reviews. haha
[09:01] <Banlam> if they've made the product, someones bought it
[09:01] <Banlam> companies don't spend thousands-millions of dollars on product development if there's no market, generally in any case
[09:02] <sflr> was just kidding. lol
[09:02] <Banlam> damn sarcasm tags :P
[09:03] <sflr> Banlam I see what you mean with the th domain being expensive :/
[09:04] <Banlam> yeah, for the time being i'm quite happy with my R80pa .com
[09:04] <sflr> what about Gar.et/h?
[09:05] <Banlam> wtf is et? estonia or something?
[09:05] <sflr> ethiopia :)
[09:05] <Banlam> lulz
[09:05] <Banlam> what do they gofor?
[09:06] <sflr> top level not allowed I think, you can only use .com.et, etc
[09:06] <Banlam> ai
[09:07] <sflr> banl.am would work. Armenia
[09:07] <Banlam> :P
[09:08] <Kilos> Banlam, did you give me the follow command for twitter?
[09:08] <Banlam> i did
[09:08] <Kilos> is unfollow also one
[09:08] <sflr> https://www.amnic.net/
[09:09] <Banlam> try it :)
[09:09] <Banlam> "Gwibber doess alllow follow/unfollow from the profile view, since about 3.1.6 or so."
[09:10] <Banlam> what happens if you try to view the person's profile?
[09:11] <sflr> isnt there a better twitter client alternative?
[09:11]  * Banlam uses the browser or phone's client
[09:11] <Kilos> i see no profile choice anywhere
[09:11] <Kilos> grrr
[09:12] <Kilos> lemme try setup gtwitter and see whats there
[09:13]  * inetpro uses choqok with an update interval of 30 minutes
[09:13] <inetpro> the web interface unfortunately talks to much the whole time
[09:13] <Kilos> is choqok inna repos inetpro ?
[09:14] <sflr> just checked now gwibber. designed by developers. it is far from a true twitter user experience.
[09:14] <Kilos> yeah gwibber is basic once you have setup online methinks
[09:17] <inetpro> unfortunately, at least last time I tried, choqok didn't work so nicely in the normal Ubuntu interface
[09:18] <inetpro> Kilos: but yes choqok is in the repos
[09:19] <sflr> 5 linux twitter clients: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-linux-twitter-clients/
[09:25] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: your power restored yet?
[09:26] <SmilyBorg> dunno. I'm at work and the power issue was at home
[09:26] <SmilyBorg> hopefully telkom will call soon about my new ADSL line install soon, will go check on it then
[09:26] <inetpro> hmm... 
[09:27] <Kilos> sjoe spanne k stuff to install
[09:28] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: BTW, what desktop are you using, just for interest sake
[09:29] <Kilos> betycha not kde
[09:29] <SmilyBorg> um..lets see. using gnome 3 on my work and home desktops, and the gnome-no-frills-compatibility-crippled-version on my laptop since AMD/ATI stopped supporting my video chip
[09:29] <SmilyBorg> actualy been contemplating trying kde again
[09:30] <Kilos> the pro and the fly are kde fans
[09:30] <SmilyBorg> gnome 3 is nice, but I miss the flexibility of gnome 2
[09:30] <SmilyBorg> and the addons are just not doing it for me
[09:30] <Kilos> you dont like unity?
[09:31] <SmilyBorg> I didn't like it when it first came out. I should probably give the latest version a go
[09:31] <SmilyBorg> it was way laggy on my old work pc though
[09:31] <inetpro> I think Unity has come a very long way and is starting to look promising
[09:32] <Kilos> there were some complaints in the lists about that but they sorted them
[09:32] <SmilyBorg> it seems to have some nice ideas
[09:33] <inetpro> but KDE is IMHO the most underestimated giant 
[09:34] <inetpro> a default install is perhaps not the most inviting and that is where unity is winning the race for the everyday user
[09:34] <Kilos> sflr, is happy with it
[09:34] <SmilyBorg> ya. I used to use KDE for many years. I loved the integration between the mail and chat client, and so much of the 4.x rework did some cool stuff. I think the big change hurt them though, much like the change to gnome 3 has hurt gnome
[09:35] <Kilos> i mean unity sorry
[09:35] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: very true
[09:37] <Kilos> eish now poqok setting up
[09:37]  * Kilos hates setting stuff up
[09:37] <Kilos> oh choqok sorry
[09:43] <sflr> i'm running ubuntu desktop 12.04 using unity 3d. happy so far
[09:49] <SmilyBorg> I'll probably give unity another look once my home PC is setup again. being in the middle of a move, it's currently unplugged
[09:49] <SmilyBorg> and has no desk to sit on
[09:50] <SmilyBorg> if telkom actualy arrive today, then maybe I can get it setup again this weekend
[09:51] <Kilos> yeah then you can be at mondays meet
[09:51] <SmilyBorg> :-)
[09:51] <Kilos> hehe i love stirring
[09:51] <SmilyBorg> guess I could allways try to participate from my phone or tablet if push came to shove
[09:52] <Kilos> some of the guys do
[09:52] <Kilos> oh you are a guy here hey
[09:52] <Kilos> guy=person here
[09:53] <SmilyBorg> hehe, ya, the non gendered version of guy
[09:54] <Kilos> hehe
[09:57] <Kilos> anyone else using choqok?
[09:58] <Kilos> text so tiny i have to use reading glasses
[09:58] <SmilyBorg> pidgin here
[09:58] <Kilos> oh pidgin twitter?
[09:59] <SmilyBorg> no. I use tweetdeck for twitter these days. I think pidgin can do twitter though. or at least it used to be able to
[10:00] <Kilos> i have used pidgin twitter but then all the peeps came off the bottom of the screen
[10:00]  * SmilyBorg nods
[10:00] <Kilos> hehe
[10:00] <SmilyBorg> hehe, twittering-mode for emacs. why am I not surprised?
[10:01] <SmilyBorg> just did a search for twitter in synaptic
[10:02] <SmilyBorg> other than IRC/IM I tend to use web apps and chrome pluggins for most stuff these days
[10:02] <SmilyBorg> saves me having to sync stuff between PCs
[10:03] <Kilos> yeah 
[10:04] <SmilyBorg> also plugged fairly securely into the google/android ecosystem too
[10:04] <Kilos> i try not use browser as much as possible
[10:05] <Kilos> pidgin xchat and mail mainly
[10:08] <sflr> i follow the same practice SmilyBorg. living in the cloud :) nowadays many apps were ported to Chrome which makes things convenient to use
[10:09] <SmilyBorg> ya, especialy now that chrome syncs everything between systems :-)
[10:12] <sflr> are you using the Chrome Tweetdeck SmilyBorg ?
[10:12] <SmilyBorg> yup
[10:13] <sflr> Thanks to the cloud, my switch from Windows to Ubuntu was a breeze
[10:14] <SmilyBorg> :-)
[10:14] <SmilyBorg> I dont think "the cloud" as it exists today was around when I switched
[10:14] <SmilyBorg> well when I switched to Linux
[10:15] <SmilyBorg> started playing with Linux back in 1996 and it has been my primary OS at home and work since 2001
[10:15] <SmilyBorg> only use Windows for games
[10:16] <HawkiesZA> With Humble Bundles, not even that much
[10:16] <sflr> The corporate environment handed me Windows to work with. But now it is different. Thanks to dropbox, Google drive, etc
[10:16] <sflr> what games do you play?
[10:16] <HawkiesZA> Me?
[10:16] <SmilyBorg> the humble bundles are nice, tried some of them a while back
[10:16] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA 
[10:17] <sflr> I was Linux user at varsity
[10:17] <SmilyBorg> mainly RPGs these days. Skyrim, Mass Effect, Dragon Age
[10:17] <SmilyBorg> a bit of portal here and there
[10:17] <HawkiesZA> I'll play almost anything. I've found indie games to be way more enjoyable than AAA titles because the indies are always trying something new.
[10:17] <HawkiesZA> Still have to finish Witcher 2 though
[10:17] <SmilyBorg> minecraft
[10:17] <HawkiesZA> Bought the collectors ed and haven't finished it
[10:18]  * HawkiesZA hangs head in shame
[10:18] <HawkiesZA> Howdy Kilos
[10:18] <SmilyBorg> been meaning to take a look at witcher. a friend had it and it looked good
[10:18] <SmilyBorg> dont feel bad HawkiesZA, I still havnt finished most of the games I've started in the last year or 2, other than portal 
[10:18] <HawkiesZA> It's really good. Sexy graphics, great story, excellent characters
[10:19] <HawkiesZA> Too many games nowadays have poor characters that mean nothing to the player
[10:21] <SmilyBorg> still part way through skyrim, dragon age 2, mass effect 3, Deus Ex: Human revolution, Alien vs Predator and Duke Nukem forever
[10:21] <SmilyBorg> portal 1 I finished in 1 evening and portal 2 in 2 evenings for the single player bit
[10:21] <HawkiesZA> SmilyBorg: I was so disappointed with DA2 and still haven't played further than the first mission in Deus Ex
[10:22] <HawkiesZA> Hahahaha, yeah, I was about the same with Portal 2. Just. Could. Not. Stop. Playing.
[10:22] <SmilyBorg> I quite liked DA2, though it became repetitive. ya, havnt got very far on Deus Ex either. think I'm on the first mission
[10:23] <SmilyBorg> hehe, ya, me either. 
[10:23] <SmilyBorg> girlfriend gave it(portal 2) to me for my birthday last year and she watched me play through most of it. 
[10:23] <SmilyBorg> havnt been able to convince her to get it so we can play co-op though
[10:24] <SmilyBorg> she doesnt like games where things try to kill her
[10:24] <SmilyBorg> she liked minecraft though once I turned off the monsters
[10:25] <Kilos> hehe
[10:25] <HawkiesZA> What is Minecraft without the green wang monster?
[10:25] <SmilyBorg> lol
[10:25] <SmilyBorg> a sandbox
[10:25] <HawkiesZA> No excitement
[10:25] <SmilyBorg> we like to build things
[10:26] <SmilyBorg> and not have them blown up
[10:26] <HawkiesZA> Explosions are fun!
[10:26] <SmilyBorg> its hard enough to keep chickens out of one's underground base
[10:26] <HawkiesZA> haha, true
[10:27] <SmilyBorg> true, but they are more fun when you want something to blow up rather than the intricate device you just spent 2 hours working on
[10:40] <Kilos> Squirm[A], you still going lad?
[10:40] <Kilos> yo Superhuman meeting monday night hey
[10:50] <Symmetria> dammit!
[10:50] <Symmetria> my puppy went and buried 13 of my socks
[10:51] <Squirm[A]> Kilos: where to?
[10:52] <SmilyBorg> lol
[10:52] <Squirm[A]> Symmetria: lol
[10:52] <Banlam> that's a lot of socks
[10:52] <Symmetria> lol, every time I turn my back she's running outta the door with another one
[10:52] <Symmetria> she figured out how to open my cupboard and she knows there are fun things in there to run off with
[10:53] <Symmetria> not as bad as when I was packing my suitcase for another trip and turned around for 5 minutes and found half the contents of my suitcase on the way out the door
[10:54] <Kilos> lol @ Squirm  maintaining
[10:55] <Kilos> surviving, winning
[10:55] <Squirm> haha
[10:55] <Squirm> still very well :)
[10:55] <Squirm> yourself?
[10:55] <Kilos> good ty
[10:57] <Squirm> life's good so far
[10:57] <Squirm> good work, good people and for once, good boss
[10:57] <Squirm> :P
[10:57] <Kilos> yay
[10:58] <Kilos> do you tweet Squirm ?
[10:58] <Squirm> I have an account. but I don't really use it.
[10:58] <Squirm> meh, even facebook is boring
[10:59] <Kilos> ah cause we got ubuntu-za there now
[10:59] <Squirm> cool
[11:04] <inetpro> Symmetria: now here's one for you
[11:04] <inetpro> A Skype call in Ethiopia will now get you 15 years in prison http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/14/ethiopia-skype-illegal/
[11:22] <sflr> facebook is boring Squirm  :)
[11:25] <sflr> inetpro - article says that VOIP is a security risk. It just confirms that telephone conversations are being monitored. lulz
[12:08] <Kilos> hmm all the tummy's full now almost asleep
[12:13] <Squirm> speaking of which
[12:14] <Squirm> I need to go and fetch my biltong
[12:17] <Kilos> ooo
[12:21] <inetpro> would be so nice if we could have irc clients connect to twitter to keep communication in a single application
[12:22] <Kilos> yeah
[12:22] <inetpro> all this graphic bloat is so unnecessary
[12:23] <Kilos> mind you with so many workspaces and popup windows to show messages we survive quite well
[12:33] <inetpro> and boticelli seems to have that two way integration into twitter over a bot specific twitter account http://code.google.com/p/boticelli/
[12:38] <Kilos> actually dunno if i want twitter mixed up in my xchat
[12:39] <Kilos> this is where guys talk about important things
[12:39] <Kilos> sometimes.....hehe
[12:51] <Kilos> oh inetpro how do i get text bigger in choqok
[12:52] <Kilos> before you start working
[12:52] <inetpro> haha
[12:52] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[12:52]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:52] <Kilos> im cheeky hey?
[12:52] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please\
[12:52] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[12:52] <Kilos> grrr
[12:52] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[12:52] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[12:53] <inetpro> Kilos: sadly that is one thing that is just not perfect yet about choqok
[12:53] <Kilos> sigh
[12:53] <inetpro> there are settings for changing the appearance though
[12:54] <Kilos> yeah but i just need to be able to read it without changes glasses tween the screen and keyboard everytime
[12:55] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to increase text size in choqok
[12:55] <Maaz> Kilos: "PortableLinuxApps • View topic - Choqok and Blogilo" http://portablelinuxapps.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=58 :: "ncb000gt/choqok-bitly · GitHub" https://github.com/ncb000gt/choqok-bitly :: "Choqok User Survey Available - Softpedia" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Choqok-User-Survey-Available-255322.shtml :: "Salix OS • View topic - Choqok crashes when authenticating Twitter ..." http://www.salixos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=328
[12:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[12:56] <inetpro> Kilos: have you tried changing font size?
[12:56] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[12:56] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[12:56] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[12:56] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[12:57] <Kilos> on my pcs appearance yes i have it to 16 already
[12:57] <inetpro> now what happened with SmilyBorg?
[12:58] <Kilos> donwent home i suppose to see if telkom arrived
[12:58] <Kilos> and see if power back on
[12:58] <Kilos> yo zergi 
[12:58] <Kilos> wheres the l
[12:59] <inetpro> I like her idea of TweetDeck in the browser
[12:59] <Kilos> someone else also uses that
[12:59] <inetpro> I just don't really like the look and feel of it so much but will give it a test when I'm at home
[12:59] <Kilos> sflr, methinks
[13:00] <Kilos> nee man choqok is good enough
[13:00] <zergi> lol Kilos
[13:00] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:00] <zerlgi> fixed
[13:01] <Kilos> i always get it mixed up anyway
[13:01] <sflr> in Chrome app
[13:01] <Kilos> see it as zergli
[13:01] <sflr> Tweetdeck new shiny HTML5 app
[13:01] <zerlgi> i use hotot in browser
[13:01] <zerlgi> (chromium extension)
[13:09] <Kilos> inetpro, do one of maaz's links tell you how to increase text size
[13:11] <inetpro> what I really like about choqok is that it shows the unread items very clearly
[13:11] <inetpro> until you close the window
[13:11] <Kilos> lol if you can read them ya
[13:12] <Kilos> ian is using kubuntu11.10 hey
[13:12] <Kilos> he is still happy with kde
[13:12] <inetpro> Kilos: my default text size on choqok is very readable 
[13:13] <Kilos> 1mm?
[13:13] <inetpro> but I would like it slightly bigger
[13:13] <inetpro> Kilos: have you tried changing font size?
[13:13] <Kilos> oh maybe your eyes are a bit younger
[13:13] <Kilos> font size in choqok?
[13:13] <inetpro> Kilos: Settings | Configure | Appearance
[13:14] <Kilos> the ones in appearance do nothing to choqok
[13:14] <inetpro> then use custom appearance
[13:15] <Kilos> custom colours?
[13:15] <Kilos> hehe
[13:15] <Kilos> nothing about fonts
[13:16] <inetpro> nothing about Post Fonts?
[13:16] <inetpro> sounds like you have a very old version
[13:16] <inetpro> I have version 1.2
[13:16] <Kilos> its the one in maverick
[13:17] <Kilos> will upgrade choqok work
[13:17] <Kilos> or must i get the ppa
[13:18] <inetpro> your maverick is getting old now
[13:18] <Kilos> ya man but to install 11.04 is gonna use too much data
[13:19] <Kilos> i have 11.04 on my 6g drive
[13:19] <Kilos> but also coupla 100 m short on updates
[13:30] <inetpro> Kilos: you're becoming famous again
[13:30] <sflr> what about 12.04? :) will post a CD
[13:31] <inetpro> your tweet is even listed at http://choqok.gnufolks.org/
[13:31] <Kilos> what now inetpro ?
[13:31] <Kilos> sflr, pc cant handle unity
[13:31] <Kilos> methinks graphics card too tiny
[13:31] <Kilos> haha
[13:32] <sflr> sjoe. what spec PC?
[13:33] <inetpro> Adilson dos Santos Dantas has a Experimental Packages PPA with choqok 1.3
[13:33] <Kilos> its a P4 1.7g clocked to 2g
[13:33] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~adilson/+archive/experimental
[13:33] <Kilos> but graphics card is only 32m memory
[13:34] <Kilos> one of the first P4's methinks
[13:35] <Kilos> still uses sda ram
[13:35] <Kilos> sdr
[13:36] <sflr> isnt there Ubuntu monochrome you can try? :)
[13:36] <Kilos> haha
[13:36] <Kilos> the pc works lekker man. can watch videos and everything
[13:37] <Kilos> even dvds copied onto drive from boets pc
[13:40] <Kilos> software sources list. can i do that from cli guys?
[13:41] <Kilos> or must i go fiddle in update manager
[13:41] <zerlgi> sudo add-apt-repository
[13:41] <Kilos> ty zerlgi 
[13:42] <zerlgi> specifically
[13:42] <zerlgi> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:adilson/experimental 
[13:42] <zerlgi> and... sudo apt-get update for it to show up in known software 
[13:43] <Kilos> thanks alot
[13:44] <zerlgi> I just use hotot in chrome. I haven't found a desktop twitter client that I like. (hotot is also available as an app)
[13:44] <zerlgi> alias ai = sudo apt-get install
[13:44] <zerlgi> ... 
[13:44] <zerlgi> ai hotot
[13:44] <zerlgi> alias au = sudo apt-get update
[13:44] <zerlgi> alias ac = apt-cache search
[13:45] <zerlgi> ... makes it a little faster for the fingers()
[13:53] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[13:55] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[13:55] <Kilos> do you tweet psydroid 
[13:56] <Kilos> first thought only twits tweet but now see there are some serious dudes there
[13:57] <psydroid> Kilos, I have an account but I didn't use it for the same reason as yours
[13:57] <Kilos> lol do like me and only got to ubuntu-za
[13:57] <psydroid> and so far my twitter career hasn't taken off yet
[13:58] <psydroid> yeah, that's what I've been doing all along
[13:58] <Kilos> not here man on twitter
[14:01] <psydroid> haha
[14:01] <psydroid> I know
[14:02] <Kilos> oh you been lurking and looking on the sly hey
[14:02] <Kilos> i been so busy i have missed some of you methinks
[14:06] <psydroid> ok, I am following now
[14:06] <Kilos> good lad. bbnn
[14:06] <psydroid> I might as well add a few more channels at the same time
[14:18] <psydroid> wb Kilos
[14:26] <Kilos> ty psydroid 
[14:39] <zerlgi> cheers peeps
[14:39] <KilosQ> w00t
[14:39] <KilosQ> cheers zerlgi
[15:06] <Kilos> hi drussell 
[15:07] <drussell> Kilos: hey! how's things?
[15:07] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[15:07] <Kilos> you havent joined ubuntu-za on twitter yet
[15:07] <Kilos> or dont you tweet
[15:23] <Kilos> inetpro, when you finished working and settled at home ping me
[15:28] <Kilos> hey charl 
[15:29] <charl> good afternoon
[15:29] <charl> hi Kilos 
[15:29] <Kilos> wheres the vn
[15:29] <charl> i might as well just log in as charl
[15:30] <Kilos> yeah, dont forget the meeting monday night hey
[15:30] <charl> yeah i was in training the whole day today, will also be on monday
[15:31] <charl> i will try t join in the evening
[15:31] <charl> *to
[15:31] <Kilos> please do its gonna be a good one
[15:31] <Kilos> lotsa ideas coming in
[15:31] <charl> sounds good
[16:23] <Kilos> brb
[16:41] <magespawn> Evening all
[16:42] <Kilos> evening magespawn 
[16:42] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[16:43] <Kilos> you shoulda been here this morning. channel was alive
[16:44] <magespawn> Mmm, had to work unfortunately
[16:47] <superfly> hey magespawn
[16:49] <Kilos> hi superfly i need to pick your brains again please
[16:49] <superfly> Kilos: what's up?
[16:50] <Kilos> i have installed choqok and the text remains tiny no matter what. so install quassel to see what happens and exactly the same
[16:50] <Kilos> is it a binding or hook or some integration witrh ubuntu thats upset
[16:51] <Kilos> in the apps i make fonts bigger but it doesnt recognise the change
[16:53] <superfly> Kilos: hrm
[16:55] <magespawn> Hey superfly
[16:55] <superfly> hey magespawn
[16:55] <superfly> Kilos: I know *why* but I don't really know *how*
[16:56] <Kilos> lol
[16:56] <Kilos> because im trying kde stuff on gnome?
[17:14] <superfly> Kilos: in essence, yes
[17:23] <Kilos> ty superfly will try get kubuntu alternates to upgrade with
[17:23] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:24] <smile> hoi :D
[17:58] <Kilos> hmm the geekchick must still have no power
[17:59] <charl> Kilos: how do you mean? he/she/it is in #glug.za
[17:59] <Kilos> she
[17:59] <Kilos> oh my
[17:59] <Kilos> we must bored her this morning
[17:59] <charl> lol
[18:00] <charl> you sure it's not an "it", the username is "bots@elegua.za.net"
[18:00] <Kilos> no too cheeky
[18:01] <Kilos> and too clever to be a preprogrammed bot
[18:01] <charl> the owner of elegua.za.net is a Jean-Pierre Viljoen
[18:02] <Kilos> are we talking about the same person?
[18:02] <Kilos> smilyborg
[18:02] <Kilos> i go see glug
[18:03] <charl> no idea, don't know the guy
[18:03] <Kilos> ha ha ha that geekchick is a bot
[18:03] <Kilos> thats glugs bot
[18:03] <charl> oh so there is more than one? :)
[18:03] <charl> yeah i also thought so actually, that's why i was somewhat confused
[18:04] <Kilos> hehehe no man smilyborg i was refering too
[18:04] <charl> ah
[18:04] <Kilos> werent you here this morning?
[18:05] <charl> nope i was in training the whole day
[18:05] <charl> i'll check the irc logs
[18:05] <Kilos> ya lots
[18:05] <Kilos> yo AndChat|68096 
[18:05] <AndChat|68096> Kilos guess who?
[18:05] <Kilos> magespawn, 
[18:06] <AndChat|68096> Yup
[18:06] <Kilos> bad connection you have there
[18:07] <magespawn> Was not paying attention.
[18:08] <Kilos> not a prob. will check if you got the same number everytime
[18:09] <magespawn> Should do, I think that is the second choice in the list of nicks in the program settings.
[18:09] <Kilos> ah the dont let you add what you want
[18:10] <magespawn> They do, but I only changed the first one.
[18:10] <Kilos> haha
[18:10] <magespawn> Did anyine bring up the idea of making a non profit orginisation again?
[18:11] <Kilos> um
[18:11] <Kilos> yes the chick and sf??
[18:11] <magespawn> And?
[18:11] <Kilos> she will talk to her mom i think
[18:12] <Kilos> somewhere someone has more experience
[18:13] <magespawn> Indeed. I will spend sometime tomorrow to see what I can find out.
[18:14] <Kilos> think she said her mom was involved or something
[18:15] <Kilos> she seems clued up,
[18:15] <Kilos> spose sysadmins gotta know what they are talking about
[18:18] <magespawn> I think the benefits will be good for the community, a permanent structure.
[18:19] <magespawn> Perhaps we could set up official training too.
[18:21] <Kilos> no one has time magespawn 
[18:22] <Kilos> thats why the LPI classes battled so
[18:22] <magespawn> If there is a non profit they can pay salaries
[18:22] <Kilos> dont forget someone still has to find the money to pay those salaries
[18:23] <Kilos> and apart from being forgetful i would rather learn from peeeps like the guys here than go to classes
[18:24] <Kilos> in classes they got a schedule and havent time to help those battling to click on
[18:25] <Kilos> also we are all too far apart for something like that
[18:25] <Kilos> hey magespawn you havent followed ubuntu-za on twitter yet
[18:27] <magespawn> No not yet. Not classes just for us, but anyone, and people would pay for those classes.
[18:30] <Kilos> then you need someone like mark shuttleworth to sponsor you. premises and all cost big bucks
[18:30] <Kilos> hi never
[18:30] <Kilos> never when?
[18:32] <Kilos> hmm kubuntu user
[18:32] <magespawn> Would have to see what would work. 
[18:33] <Kilos> he gave up so quick
[18:33] <Kilos> NeVeR, wb
[18:33] <NeVeR> lol thx.. I dont own this nick :|
[18:33] <Kilos> your first time here
[18:34] <Kilos> and using kubuntu
[18:34] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:36] <smile> bye! :)
[18:36] <Kilos> bye smile sleep tight
[18:36] <Kilos> dont forget the meet monday night
[18:36] <smile> Kilos: bye :)
[18:37] <Kilos> :)
[18:44] <Kilos> sorry superfly do you think that installing kde-desktop might fix my choqok and quassel
[18:44] <superfly> Kilos: I don't think so
[18:44] <Kilos> ok ty
[18:50] <KilosQ> Maaz: coffee on
[18:50]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:50] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:50] <Kilos> yoohoo i get 2 mugs of coffee
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[18:52] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[18:52] <inetpro> heh Kilos and charl, you really made me roflol with that geekchick discussion
[18:52] <Kilos> hahaha ya i took a while to catch on
[18:53] <inetpro> I guess charl is still reading those logs
[18:53] <Kilos> anyway inetpro i installed quassel to see if font size would work and it is exactly the same as choqok
[18:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for KilosQ and Kilos!
[18:54] <Kilos> so asked the fly if there was some integration/bindings/hooks missing
[18:54] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:54] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:54] <KilosQ> Maaz: ty
[18:54] <Maaz> You are welcome KilosQ
[18:55] <NeVeR_> I was here last week :>
[18:55] <NeVeR_> trying a new IRC client
[18:55] <inetpro> Kilos: can you increase the size on quassel with Ctrl++ ?
[18:55] <Kilos> he agreed i think its because of kde app on ubuntu
[18:55] <NeVeR_> using Quassel
[18:55] <Kilos> sec i see
[18:56] <KilosQ> ==
[18:56] <KilosQ> ==
[18:56] <Kilos> nope
[18:56] <Kilos> stays tiny
[18:56] <inetpro> Ctrl+Shift++
[18:57] <magespawn> NeVer_ a client only or are you connected to a core?
[18:57] <KilosQ> yoohoo
[18:57] <KilosQ> slimseun
[18:57] <magespawn> Cool kilos
[18:57] <inetpro> sadly I don't think that will work on choqok
[18:57] <KilosQ> maybe that will work in choqok too
[18:57] <NeVeR_> Ctrl + works for me
[18:57] <NeVeR_> client only
[18:57] <KilosQ> aw
[18:58] <KilosQ> i try choqok
[18:58] <Kilos> nope
[18:59] <Kilos> does quassel not go through freenode?
[19:00] <Kilos> i had to use ctrl+shift++ NeVeR_ 
[19:00] <superfly> Kilos: what do you mean?
[19:00] <magespawn> It does but you can have a core installed on a server, then connect to that with the client.
[19:00] <magespawn> The core stays connected to the channel.
[19:01] <Kilos> sec superfly i gotta go look what i said
[19:01] <NeVeR_> ooooh. so u only connect once with a core then can connect to the code with as many clients as you want?
[19:02] <superfly> NeVeR_: indeed
[19:02] <Kilos> oh sorry superfly i didnt finish what i was trying to tell him then he came up with ctrl++
[19:02] <NeVeR_> whats the point of that though??
[19:02] <magespawn> So you never miss anything
[19:02] <NeVeR_> lol
[19:03] <NeVeR_> in some channels it would be bad
[19:03] <magespawn> The core would normally be on a hosted server or some such.
[19:03] <magespawn> Too much chatter.
[19:06] <superfly> NeVeR_: I can connect from my phone too :-)
[19:06] <NeVeR_> lol cool
[19:06] <NeVeR_> I used to connect from my phone yeaaaaaaaaaarrrs ago
[19:06] <NeVeR_> havent really used IRC for the past few years though
[19:06] <NeVeR_> just started last week
[19:07] <NeVeR_> cos I hate my job :P
[19:07] <Kilos> NeVeR_, are you new here?
[19:07] <Kilos> or an old ubuntu-za guy
[19:09] <Kilos> ty inetpro now just to get choqok fonts bigger then im good for anything
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: eh, I'm struggling to get choqok running
[19:10] <Kilos> hahaha why?
[19:11] <inetpro> on unity
[19:11] <inetpro> it starts but then goes missing 
[19:11] <Kilos> oh my
[19:11] <inetpro> goes missing from the panel
[19:11] <inetpro> so I can't launch the app to change anything
[19:12] <Kilos> reconfigure the thing
[19:12] <Kilos> or reinstall it
[19:12] <NeVeR_> Im new here, was here for the first time about 2 weeks ago
[19:12] <NeVeR_> wanted to know if it was worth doing any certification
[19:13] <NeVeR_> got told its a waste of time
[19:13] <Kilos> well welcome to ubuntu-za NeVeR_  who told you that and did you ask him why?
[19:14] <Kilos> there must be a reason
[19:14] <NeVeR_> Can't remember who.. was someone in here.. they said experience is all that matters, and you won't get paid more based on having a certificate or not..
[19:15] <NeVeR_> I wanted to do RHCE and ubuntu certified engineer exams
[19:15] <Kilos> eish
[19:15] <NeVeR_> but if I won't earn more then its wasting my time :P
[19:15] <Kilos> qualifications are never a waste of time
[19:16] <Kilos> were you on the same pc?
[19:17] <NeVeR_> yea but I wanted to do them to earn more money now.. I dont intend to work for anyone in a few years so wanted something to do something that will help me earn more now so that I can save more and start my company sooner :P
[19:17] <Kilos> as in can you scroll back and look it up
[19:17] <NeVeR_> I was using the web based client
[19:17] <Kilos> aw
[19:18] <superfly> NeVeR_: certs help you attain a certain level of skill, but unless you practice those skills the certs will be useless
[19:18] <Kilos> someone place a link here last night about what diffs qualifications make to salary
[19:18] <superfly> experience trumps certificates any day
[19:18] <Kilos> but dont know if i can scroll back far enough
[19:18] <NeVeR_> lol
[19:19] <NeVeR_> I been a system administrator for 5 years
[19:19] <Kilos> yes superfly but without any certificates its hard to get in the front door
[19:19] <NeVeR_> using mainly CentOS and gentoo.. started using ubuntu about 6 months ago
[19:19] <magespawn> Certificates back up your skill claims
[19:20] <magespawn> Lpi is based on centOS
[19:21] <NeVeR_> ubuntu is the business :) debian ftw
[19:21] <Kilos> NeVeR_, if you want to self study i can give you some links
[19:22] <NeVeR_> its fine I dont want to study... hehe
[19:22] <NeVeR_> I just wanted to do the exams, but if it won't help me earn more then I dont want to waste money
[19:22] <Kilos> haha 
[19:22] <Kilos> is it that expensive to write exams
[19:22] <NeVeR_> I'm trying to save R200k so that I can take 2 years off work
[19:23] <NeVeR_> to start a company
[19:23] <Kilos> http://www.lpi.org/blog/global-knowledge-2012-it-skills-and-salary-report
[19:24] <magespawn> Somewhat Kilos. What do you want to do NeVeR_ ?
[19:25] <NeVeR_> I want to start as many companies as possible.. starting a TShirt printing company at the moment with my gf, starting a web dev / hosting company with another guy.. I can't really do web dev while I'm working because its conflict of interest, so I want to save as much money as quickly as possible
[19:26] <NeVeR_> I thought a quick way to earn more was to do RHCE
[19:26] <magespawn> Spend less, lol
[19:26] <NeVeR_> because a friend of mine got offered 4x his salary with another company as soon as he finished his RHCE
[19:26] <Kilos> hehe
[19:27] <magespawn> Use as little as possible of your own money when starting a business.
[19:27] <NeVeR_> I dont spend allot.. mine and my gfs combined living / social costs are R10k a month... everything after that we save
[19:28] <NeVeR_> Yes I don't want to use my money for the company :P I want to use my money to live off for a few years. if I can get 2 years without working for anyone, I'm pretty sure I'll get at least one company to work
[19:28] <magespawn> A lot is relative, thats more than my wife and I earn combined
[19:29] <NeVeR_> R10k is more than ur combined income? how? we have a tiny 1 bedroom place and the rent is R4k a month O_o
[19:30] <magespawn> I live in Hluhluwe, so rent is cheaper, but we make domsome how.
[19:30] <NeVeR_> my gf doesn't currently work... if our tshirt company takes off then I might be able to leave work soon soon
[19:31] <NeVeR_> what work do u do magespawn?
[19:31] <magespawn> Well I am always on the look out for new businesses, so if you want advice or just to chat you can fine me here.
[19:32] <magespawn> I work as a field guide, but I also have a Internet cafe and pc shop.
[19:32] <NeVeR_> nice :) all I really want is my own company(ies)
[19:33] <NeVeR_> I dont work to work for anyone
[19:33] <NeVeR_> so sick of it
[19:33] <NeVeR_> My previous manager never ever told me what to do, then he became CIO, now he and my current manager always tell me what to do
[19:33] <NeVeR_> just over it :P
[19:33] <superfly> NeVeR_: working for others has the advantage of no worries of where your salary is coming from, and you don't work yourself into the ground
[19:34] <superfly> being your own boss means always worrying about where the next bit of cash is coming from, and working yourself to death just to earn a few rands (especially in web dev)
[19:34]  * superfly has done it, and doesn't want to go back there if he can help it
[19:35] <magespawn> Mm, even when employed you can lose your salary, false sense of security. You take the path most suited to you, the world needs all types.
[19:36] <NeVeR_> I dont mind working myself to death.. .I currently do that anyway. I work almost 300 hours a month as it is
[19:37] <NeVeR_> I'm sick of corporate bs and poor management. I'd be happy to work for the company I currently worked for if I could work from home all the time and if they would never phone me
[19:37] <Kilos> ouch dead isnt lekker, no girlfriends there
[19:38] <magespawn> Lol
[19:39] <NeVeR_> lol
[19:39] <Kilos> inetpro, you winning?
[19:41]  * superfly has a wife and family... they don't take lightly to a husband and father they never see
[19:41]  * Kilos agrees
[19:42] <NeVeR_> but if I work for myself, I'll always be at home, so my gf will be happy
[19:42] <Kilos> NeVeR_, where are you?
[19:42] <NeVeR_> she doesn't mind if I work allot at home, its when I'm at work and dont talk to her that she gets upset
[19:42] <NeVeR_> JHB
[19:43] <NeVeR_> Randburg
[19:43] <Kilos> ah lotsa work there
[19:43] <NeVeR_> yea where are you?
[19:43] <Kilos> pta
[19:43] <NeVeR_> lots of work there too?
[19:43] <NeVeR_> or not really?
[19:43] <Kilos> i dont work
[19:43] <NeVeR_> howcome?
[19:43] <Kilos> work on sisters nerves only
[19:44] <NeVeR_> lol
[19:44] <Kilos> and the guys here
[19:44] <NeVeR_> why dont u work?
[19:44] <Kilos> i kinda crashed
[19:44] <magespawn> Kilos is the Oom of the group
[19:44] <NeVeR_> crashed? O_o u retired?
[19:44] <magespawn> Does enough here, me thinks.
[19:44] <Kilos> no disabled kinda because of head injury
[19:44] <Kilos> argued with a windmill
[19:45] <magespawn> Reformed geek
[19:45] <Kilos> haha
[19:45] <NeVeR_> :|
[19:45] <NeVeR_> sorry to hear :(
[19:46] <Kilos> its fine now since i found ubuntu and ubuntu-za
[19:46] <Kilos> ty
[19:46] <Kilos> now i dont need brains, there are plenty here
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: eh
[19:47] <inetpro> sorry, had closed quassel
[19:47] <Kilos> inetpro, whats happening
[19:47] <Kilos> np
[19:47] <inetpro> tried lotsa stuffs
[19:47] <Kilos> did you google?
[19:47] <superfly> NeVeR_: just because you're at home doesn't mean you'll be available... that's a common fallacy
[19:47] <Kilos> google is your friend
[19:47] <inetpro> choqok now working in my Unity interface but the icon in teh system tray is still missinhg
[19:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:48] <NeVeR_> :P Yes I know, but if I give her an hour each day, and maybe a few extra on a sunday, she'll be happy
[19:48] <superfly> inetpro: it's because Unity doesn't support the SysTray standard
[19:48] <superfly> NeVeR_: if you work from home she'll think you're always available
[19:48] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-and-enable-more-icons-to-be-in-the-system-tray
[19:48] <inetpro> superfly: I tried that ^^ but it still aint werking
[19:49] <Kilos> is quassel always a cli starter
[19:49] <magespawn> Indeed superfly, indeed. My work follows me home more than I want, getting called at 07:30 on Sunday for ex.
[19:49] <Kilos> dont see it in internet goodies
[19:49] <NeVeR_> she knows I work hard.. we've been living together for a year and a half. I work from home 2x a week so she knows how hard I work.
[19:49] <inetpro> superfly: any other ideas?
[19:49] <magespawn> Not as far as i know.
[19:50] <superfly> inetpro: not the foggiest
[19:51] <superfly> NeVeR_: doesn't matter, my wife and I have been married for almost 5 years, she still thought I was always available when I did some freelance work between jobs at the end of last year
[19:52] <Kilos> hey psydroid whats your nick in twitter
[19:52] <Kilos> you follow but dont say anything so i can see who you are
[19:52] <NeVeR_> my gf is very busy too though.. she's an artist, so she's constantly paiting/drawing/writing poems/etc... she's going to have a crap load of work to do once the shirt printing company takes off... its allot of work
[19:52] <Kilos> haha then you can bug her NeVeR_ 
[19:54] <NeVeR_> :P indeed.. she's already saying I'm going to be in her spacethe whole time
[19:54] <Kilos> lol
[19:54] <NeVeR_> http://unroll.me/ <--- anyone tried this?
[19:54] <NeVeR_> looks interesting
[19:57] <Kilos> Banlam, why so quiet?
[19:57] <Kilos> oh my all of a sardine quassel is in internet goodies
[19:59] <KilosQ_> yay
[20:00] <Banlam> kilos, i was being quiet?
[20:00] <Kilos> ah lurking
[20:01] <Banlam> well i mean i'm always on
[20:01] <Banlam> whether i'm paying attention or not is another question
[20:01] <Banlam> but flashing windows tend to change that
[20:01] <Kilos> ah
[20:01] <Banlam> :)
[20:01] <Kilos> you dont get sounds
[20:02] <Banlam> noo
[20:02] <Kilos> lol i love the bloep when someone talks to me
[20:02] <Banlam> my system alert sounds are pretty much muted
[20:15] <inetpro> Kilos: moet jy nie slaap nie?
[20:15] <inetpro> looks like you found a new life?
[20:16] <Kilos> lol no man im sukkeling with quassel
[20:16] <Kilos> trying to find alerts and nick list shows empty
[20:16] <inetpro> Kilos: probeer konversation
[20:17] <Kilos> is dit n ander im ding
[20:18] <inetpro> hmm... dalk nie
[20:18] <inetpro> te veel dependancies
[20:18] <inetpro> quassel is lekker lig
[20:18] <Kilos> quassel het baie gehad maar ek dink ek wen stadig. net als het ander name
[20:19] <Kilos> lol dit was vir n rukkie als in japanese
[20:20]  * inetpro installing konversation
[20:20] <inetpro> amasing that it even depends on mysql
[20:20] <Kilos> you giving up on quassel
[20:20] <inetpro> Kilos: nee, ek eksperimenteer maar net
[20:21] <Kilos> oh same here
[20:21] <inetpro> wil eintlik ontslae raak van unity
[20:21] <Kilos> quassel and xchat look lots alike
[20:25] <inetpro> ok, that didn't go down well
[20:26] <Kilos> lol
[20:26] <Kilos> truth hurts
[20:26] <inetpro> after installing and running (configuring) konversation compiz uses 100% cpu
[20:27] <Kilos> oh my
[20:27] <Kilos> that sucks
[20:27] <inetpro> but I'll try again
[20:32] <Kilos> ok then guys. sleep tight. see you tomorrow
[20:32] <Kilos> good luck inetpro 
[20:33] <hibana> hmm... he left?
[20:34] <hibana> konversation still as nice as ever
[21:00] <magespawn> Night all.
[22:01] <inetpro> fp
[22:01] <inetpro> I think I've found my twitter client of choice
[22:02] <inetpro> it's on the web
[22:02] <inetpro> Just perfect for me on Firefox https://web.tweetdeck.com/
[22:13] <inetpro> or it just could be, will test over the next few days
[22:13] <inetpro> now time for some sleep
[22:13] <Banlam> oh
[22:14] <Banlam> it's already tomorrow
[22:14] <inetpro> Banlam: exactly
[22:14]  * Banlam is going to do some work for a few hours