[00:23] does any of you use vpn's? [01:26] just installed xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu..all is good but i have no sound.. installed pulse, gnome, and xfce mixers -- neither can fix it [01:27] says sound card isn't detected [01:27] (worked fine on ubunut) [01:27] any ideas? [05:56] hello [05:56] hi [05:57] I have a small problem [05:57] I am trying to get xubuntu installed on a friends computer and I keep getting a error [05:57] https://www.dropbox.com/s/5o7yq3do8y3yw9t/20120613_160445.jpg [05:58] has anyone seen this before? [05:58] it happens right around the time the user is being configured [05:59] I cannot make sense of it but I don't know a whole lot about debugging [06:00] please make a memory check [06:00] for 10 min [06:00] it happens while installing? [06:02] you should check you hdd too [06:03] yes that photo was from a custom distro I made from remastersys but I took the normal xubuntu disc over to his house to let him try it beacuse I was running late for work and he said it yielded the same results [06:03] a ok, so this isnt hes error msg? [06:03] he can get older versions of linux to install no problem [06:04] this is off of his laptop [06:04] I can use the same disc in other computers and it installs just fine [06:04] ok, so he should make a memtest [06:04] some hardware can be broken [06:04] there is an integrated memory test on the xubuntu install disc [06:05] but if hardware was broken wouldn't the older distros yield the same results? [06:06] ok, other question. How was he installing this distro? he deleted the whole disc? [06:06] yes he selected erase entire disc [06:07] or does he want windows+xubuntu side by side [06:07] i tried it a few ways he only wants xubuntu [06:07] he has it on his desktop and fell in love with it [06:07] hello guys :D [06:07] hmm ok [06:08] i set a few boot options and nothing seemed to help [06:08] i did the first run with acpi=off [06:09] then noapic [06:09] linuxshine: but does the install works? [06:09] then i did it again with both [06:09] or is it while installing from disc? [06:09] it stops at that point right after configuring user the screen in the photo comes up [06:10] and never completes insulation [06:10] i tested the cd on a few of my computers and it installs just fine [06:11] hmm, what hardware does he have? [06:11] its a dell xps m140 [06:11] let me find the specs [06:12] got them already [06:12] it should work [06:13] please let him check his memory and hard drive [06:13] i personally think some hardware is broken [06:13] or you can try xubuntu 10.4 [06:13] if that distro works [06:14] but i dont understand 1 thing [06:14] why is there VirtualBox drivers on that screen [06:14] lol [06:15] ? [06:15] hey everyone [06:15] kati_hathor, hello :D [06:15] when i made that disc I configured it in vbox tweaked the desktop settings for him and installed the programs that he likes created it with remastersys [06:15] i'm having trouble getting xubuntu working on my desktop that has win7 on it [06:15] thats what i was thinking vbox messed it up [06:16] linuxshine: but? [06:16] so i took a copy of xubuntu desktop over to his house today [06:16] ok [06:16] and that didnt work either? [06:16] i can boot into win7 but not into xubuntu [06:16] and he said he gets the same error without the vbox [06:16] ok [06:16] linuxshine: do you get the grub boot menu? [06:16] linuxshine: wasnt meaning you [06:17] not after the install just a blinking cursor [06:17] kati_hathor: do you get the grub menu? [06:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041782/ [06:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041786/ [06:17] yeah i am using grub [06:17] i get errors trying to but into ubuntu but no problems booting into windows [06:18] i have a 100gb ide drive and a 500gb sata drive [06:19] i did custom partition on the 500gb since i had space to install on there [06:19] i was hoping to make that computer dual boot since i put in lots of time on setting up win7 properly [06:19] kati_hathor: you've got grub installed twice - sda and sdc [06:20] yeah i installed it twice [06:20] linuxshine: my recommendation is... [06:20] 1. try xubuntu 10.04 if it works (if yes its a kernel / driver problem, if no hardware is broken) [06:20] 2. test memory and hdd [06:20] kati_hathor: try reinstalling grub to sda - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstall_from_the_LiveCD [06:20] kati_hathor: when booting linux you get a black screen? [06:20] baizon so you think he could have bad hw and still beable to install older distros but somthing is stoping him from installing the new kernel? [06:21] because something might be broken? or a new check in the kernel is preventing it to install? [06:21] linuxshine: i think it can be the memory, but older systems got other memory mapping and "luck". Or the hdd can have a bad block [06:22] linuxshine: or the new kernel doesnt support something [06:22] i get a black screen then it errors out saying it can't find SSID or something [06:22] sorry UUID [06:22] so its down to the memory mapping has changed in the new kernel [06:22] and I think you might have a bad ram stick [06:23] Lol I understand its trying to make him understand he will call me crazy becuse his old systems install just fine [06:23] thanks hobgoblin i will try that [06:24] well thanks for your help baizon I will send your recommendations off to him [06:24] linuxshine: np [06:25] must reboot I can finally enjoy xubuntu on my own system =) [06:25] :) [06:25] not sure why the install itself didn't do the proper grub thing [06:25] i don't mind reinstalling if that is easier [06:26] kati_hathor: you got raid ? [06:26] no not using raid [06:26] kati_hathor: http://askubuntu.com/questions/82661/grub-workaround-for-cannot-find-uuid-in-dual-boot-system-fails-and-now-grub-won [06:26] my recommendation [06:27] but i think it looks at my USB flash boot stick as sda which is bumping the other drives to sdb/sdc [06:27] if you installed grub to the hdd and usb and then try to boot with the usb in then it'll not like that much [06:29] well i don't want to boot off the usb [06:30] either try baizon's method or mine - but don't install grub to the usb ;) [06:32] i think i'll try baizon's method first [06:32] nice to hear :) [06:32] will be really nice to get xubuntu working on my workstation, have had it on my laptop since 11.10 came out and i like it [06:32] :) [06:33] kind of confused how it maps the ide drie to sdx [06:33] *drive [06:34] i thought it would make it hda or something [06:34] well whichever you do - good luck [06:35] hda is really old school lol [06:36] kati_hathor: you using the 'ticked' answer on the askubuntu page? [06:36] lol well ideally i'd get a new computer but i'm pretty broke [06:36] kati_hathor: mine is old ide drives het recognised as sda here - changed around 7.10 I think [06:37] ticked? [06:37] i was going to use the first answer on there [06:37] the ticked one :) [06:37] oh okay lol [06:37] ticked as in the green checkmark i take it? lol [06:38] yea - just basically a copy from a bit further down the wiki page that I linked you to [06:38] baizon i could possibly rule out the hard drive failure by having him install to a usb stick? [06:39] linuxshine: you mean try to install xubuntu on a usb stick? [06:39] yes thats a possibility :) [06:39] yes have him install to a usb stick instead of his hd [06:39] if that works you know whats the problem :) [06:40] cool [06:43] ok so it says "here i undo the changes" [06:43] what changes do i undo [06:44] comment out the uuid stuff? [06:46] baizon: ^^ I've never done it like that so can't help :) [06:46] how do i replace a package installed in the repo with a program compiled from source, I got pulseaudio compiled and want to install it [06:46] kati_hathor: you need to talk to people by using their nick's :) [06:48] sorry hobgoblin just a little confused [06:50] hobgoblin, i didn't edit any files just did the update-grub [06:50] kati_hathor: as I said I've never needed to chroot to fix grub - I always use the other one :) [06:51] hobgoblin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041988 [06:54] hobgoblin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041990 [06:55] hobgoblin, i'm going to try your method now lol [06:56] there's only two lines you need to run if you know the drive - the mount and grub install ones [06:59] hobgoblin, i think i got it, let me reboot and see if it worked <3 [07:02] well I hope it did [07:02] me too, i guess we'll find out soon [07:03] no still got that ALERT /dev/disk/by_uuid/ does not exist [07:04] kati_hathor: write down the uuid number - check it against your pastes [07:06] hobgoblin, it maps to /dev/sda3 which is where i installed the / folder [07:08] 77b1fb5f-532f-42b4-a266-80d64ceaa5cd [07:08] that one? [07:08] yeah [07:09] i'm going to boot back into livecd [07:09] ok - do that and we can go through it [07:10] how did grub end up on the usb? [07:11] hobgoblin, let me try something else i think the bios might have been booting hdb instead of hda [07:11] that was my next question :) [07:12] hmm when i boot off of the other drive i just get a grub> prompt [07:12] kati_hathor: boot the live and we'll see [07:12] okay :) [07:12] thanks for being patient with me, hobgoblin [07:13] it's ok, first thing in the morning - I'm still getting through the first teapot :) [07:13] cool :) [07:19] hobgoblin, ok i'm back up on livecd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042010/ [07:21] sda1 is the flashdrive livecd [07:25] ok - sudo mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt [07:25] sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdb [07:26] assuming that the 120Gb drive will be sda when the system boots WITHOUT the usb plugged in [07:27] okay cool [07:28] i think what might have happened is i did /dev/sda but the livecd thought it was sda [07:28] let me reboot trying that now [07:28] with it on sdb [07:30] take the usb out ... [07:30] i did [07:30] it booted to a grub prompt [07:31] i did ls on grub and it shows the disk with four partitions as hd0 and the disk with 2 partitions as hd1 [07:33] so it's seeing them the other way round then [07:34] apparently, so perhaps what is happening is with the usb drive it sees the sata as sd3 but without it then it becomes sd1? [07:34] so if i try that same command and do /dev/sdc maybe it would work? [07:34] yea [07:35] though you could try changing boot order [07:35] brb - more tea [07:35] k i'll try that first [07:35] cool [07:44] you've gone very quiet ;) [07:44] just trying this now with /dev/sdc [07:44] computer really slow ;) [07:44] :) [07:45] can you post in a paste all of the commands so I can see them please :) [07:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042034 [07:46] i'm going to reboot again and see if that did it [07:46] k - I assume the install to sdb said the same thing [07:46] hang on [07:47] ok i'll wait [07:49] last time it was the same thing just to sdb [07:49] right now my bios is set to boot from the 500gig drive, hobgoblin [07:51] trying to remember where a file is ... [07:52] oki [07:52] are we talking about /etc/fstab ? [07:52] nope [07:53] kati_hathor: you've still got the system drive mounted in /mnt ? [07:53] yes [07:53] does this show anything cat /mnt/boot/grub/device.map [07:54] file not found [07:54] well_laid_lawn: we got a grub2 playing games [07:54] kati_hathor: ok [07:54] is that good or bad? lol [07:54] well grub is installed to the drive that bios is set to boot from - so have another go [07:55] okay i'll reboot [07:55] kati_hathor: I don't appear to have one either [07:56] the uuid in grub.cfg points to the right device? [07:56] yep [07:56] k [07:56] should boot then [07:56] ... [07:57] argh still dumped to busybox [07:57] it thinks the uuid doesn't exist for whatever reason [07:58] i get this screen (not my screenshot) - http://dominikengbers.gmxhome.de/bug.JPG [07:59] but the uuid is the one from pastebin starting with 77b1 [08:00] maybe it needs the rootdelay thing to work [08:01] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=981159 [08:01] i tried typing exit to that and it booted so i'm going to read thru the rest of the thread [08:02] aaah - good so you can get into the system then [08:02] that'll make life easier [08:02] yeah worst case i have to type exit to that screen til i find a solution [08:02] just i thought that screen was a dead end [08:03] yep - I'll look into rootdelay for grub2 [08:03] bear in mind a lot of threads on the forum will be for grub not grub2 [08:05] thanks for your help with this stuff [08:05] ok :) [08:05] now that i can boot into both OS's then it will be easier to figure stuff out [08:06] kati_hathor: I might have got there [08:07] looks like adding root delay to the /etc/default/grub [08:07] you might need to add it to a script - but if you found a source to do that then great :) [08:09] well when the update manager finishes installing all this stuff i'll know on reboot if it fixed [08:09] kati_hathor: it might be as simple as uncommenting #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true this line in /etc/default/grub and doing a sudo update-grub [08:10] but that in itself can be a pain if drives change their position during boot - ie sda becoming sdb [08:10] I'm off for a bit now - will be back later though [08:10] oh okay the thing i read was adding rootdelay=xx to the grub_cmdline_linux_default [08:10] cool well thanks for helping me get booted :) [08:10] kati_hathor: got a link? [08:11] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1401334 [08:11] if that works then that is a better solution [08:11] k [08:13] i set it to 30 so hopefully that's a long enough delay [08:13] kati_hathor: if it isn't - when in grub menu - do e [08:13] i'd rather it booted faster but if everything was the way i wanted it i'd have a new computer lol [08:14] e? [08:14] then you can edit the delay [08:14] then boot [08:14] oh ok [08:14] I'd play until you have the shortest delay - then change the line the grub cfg file and update grub [08:14] well i'll reboot again when update manager finishes and see if it is working [08:14] trial and error I think [08:15] yeah [08:15] the disk controller seems to lag [08:16] I didn't realise till a few lines ago it was going to busybox [08:16] oh, yeah i thought i mentioned that at some point [08:16] what is busy box anyway [08:17] not got a real idea - I've only had it once years ago - I tend to only look into things I need to - I'm not an IT guy :) [08:18] lol yeah [08:18] i'm just excited to get this computer working again, it's been collecting dust b/c the video card went out and the old vid card i replaced it with doesn't have win7x64 drivers [08:19] :) [08:19] all of my machines are cannibalised from bits, I think I bought a graphics and audio card is all [08:19] unfortunately i'm without income atm so i can't afford a new computer and it seems silly to fork out money on a decent agp card when i can get a new mobo for about twice that [08:19] * hobgoblin too [08:20] if i can get dual monitor working on here i'll be golden [08:20] i mean it works as clone, have to figure out how to make it do two screens [08:20] I got that going here - what card is in the box? [08:20] it works on xp so i figure it should work on ubuntu [08:20] geforce mx 440 [08:20] oh ... [08:21] yeah pretty crappy i know *blush* [08:21] might have some trouble then - don't install the nvidia one [08:21] not at all - just old :) that was what I had before I replaced it [08:21] well i have an ultra 6800 but it has some issue with it [08:23] might not have the issue in linux [08:23] but let's get you going first :) [08:24] well windows 7 used to boot fine with the 6800 and then it stopped booting up without me changing drivers or anything [08:25] we can try :) [08:25] then i popped in the mx and it booted without a hitch but it's too old to have win7 drivers [08:25] anyway - I gtg for an hour or so [08:25] okay [08:25] if you are still here and need help :) [08:25] well i'm going to be setting this up for awhile so i'll prob lurk here :) [08:25] k [08:25] thanks for your help <3 [08:26] welcome [12:41] installing Xbuntu for the first here w00t [12:41] anyone home? [12:42] :) some might be sleeping [12:42] yawn .... === gridcube_ is now known as GridCube === IdleOne is now known as nickspam === ikonia is now known as ikonia_ === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia === nickspam is now known as IdleOne [14:13] i'm trying to upgrade my ubuntu version to 12.04 [14:14] xubuntu that is but i get a major problem it seems [14:14] Could not install the upgrades The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a). [14:14] can anyone tell me what i should do next? i really dont want to loose my previous installation [14:14] what happened here? everything looked just fine [15:34] hey guys is there a way to get terminal with linux default colours like in ubuntu? [15:39] Open Terminal>Preferences>Colors...change the background and text colors to whatever you want. [15:40] and those are "linux default colors" :) [15:42] That would probably be black background and white text. [15:42] i changed that [15:42] but every other colour is like blueish [15:43] in irssi for instance if ctrl+alt+ f1 and use irssi there [15:43] i have normal colours for command bar etc [15:43] in terminal everything is just shades of blue [15:43] the foreground and letter part i understand its the other colours im talking about [15:44] I haven't got a clue what you are talking about then...sorry. [15:44] the palette [15:45] its a weird mix of colours very different from default linux terminal palette [15:45] alguem? [15:46] hi [15:52] !ask | lince [15:52] lince: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [17:24] Hi all! Anyone have any idea why xubuntu doesn't allow me to intall on an old Thinkpad T23? [17:25] First approximation: Not enough memory? [17:26] Hm. What would be enough? Do you know? There's 1/2 Gig in there. [17:28] @drc - I can install ubuntu up to 11.04, but then unity killed it. Was hoping xubuntu would be light enough. [17:28] Dinoflagellate, that should be fine [17:29] @knome. Ok, well I'm having problems with both xubuntu and lubuntu. I can go back and install ubuntu 10.04, but for some reason I have to first run the live CD and then install from there. [17:30] (Thanks for your input, by the way.) [17:30] np [17:31] :) [17:32] Was thinking about starting with ubuntu 10.04, and then installing xubuntu-desktop, and finally removing ubuntu's desktop so that I could upgrade from there. Must be an easier way, tho! [17:33] have you checked the cd integrity? tried with alternate? [17:33] can you boot to the live cd? [17:33] Yes, I can boot to the live Cd. When I try to install from ther,e it comes to the spinner which just goes on forever. [17:33] Never finishes. [17:34] have you checked if there is any info on the other TTY's? [17:34] I haven't checked integrity, but when brasero burnt the disk, it did check the checksum. [17:34] Hmmm. You mean F_n? [17:34] yes [17:34] If so, no. [17:35] Didn't know to do that/. I just looked at dmesg and got overwhelmed with the detail. [17:35] the tail of the dmesg might be useful too [17:36] anyway, if those things doesn't seem to bring anything up, i'd try alternate cd [17:36] Ok. Should I try again and see what the terminals say? And get the tail of dmesg to report back here? [17:36] How can alternate help? [17:36] it uses a text-mode installation [17:36] rather than the graphical [17:37] that just works for some, when the graphical installer doesn't [17:37] Is the point that it's less memory intensive? [17:37] that too [17:37] and it avoids possible graphic driver problems at installation time [17:38] Ok. Ah. I did see something in dmesg about the graphical driver. Didn't know if it was relevant, tho. [17:43] hi there . I lost my mouse pointer. Arrow replaced by black cross. lost close/reduce/ maximize icons as well. I'm on Xubuntu [17:43] @knome. Connection failed, but anyway... I'll go and try looking @ the terminals, and then if nothing comes up, move to alternate. Thanks for the input! [17:45] xubuntu857: try pressing Alt F2 and typing xfwm4 --replace === crond is now known as Guest40159 [18:03] so, whats #xubuntu version of Si Soft sandra? [18:03] I wanna check what hardware I do have [18:04] try lspci and/or sudo lshw and/or lscpu [18:08] And one with a gui? [18:09] blackgatocatnegr: sysinfo [18:09] blackgatocatnegr: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-get-your-system-information-with-sysinfo.html === tr-808_ is now known as tr-808 [19:03] hi, when hcitool don't show my BT device what sould I do? [19:51] so i just created a Ubuntu live USB ( took literally 2 hours ), then decided I hate unity and would like to use Xubuntu instead. At some point ( 5 years ago? ) I know you could install xubuntu-desktop. Is there also a command to remove everything not required for xubuntu ( but that comes with ubuntu? ) [19:51] tl;dr have a Ubuntu liveCD but want to install Xubuntu :D [19:52] andai1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64241/how-do-i-switch-to-xubuntu [19:53] Yes. Thank you. [19:54] What I mean is, then I'll still have all the Ubuntu-specific packages installed, but i'm worried removing those might break Xubuntu too [19:54] I understand there's some overlap [19:56] For example this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu is just a list of packages that are safe to remove. Isn't there a more elegant solution [19:59] andai1: i know what you mean [19:59] but dont worry most of them will get "autoremove" status [19:59] bazion: ? [20:00] whoops. baizon*. When, I mean [20:00] after you installed the xubuntu-desktop meta package [20:00] won't it assume you want to keep using the ubuntu stuff as well [20:00] and remove ubuntu-desktop package [20:00] ahh ok [20:01] no, if you remove the ubuntu-desktop meta package [20:01] thanks [20:01] np [20:03] baizon: I've never had removing a *-desktop package do anymore than remove that only [20:04] hobgoblin: ? [20:04] remove the meta-package itself not the individual packages? [20:05] might have read wrong up there though - I've always had to use the 'inelegant' method to remove the remainber [20:05] i know not everything will be removed [20:06] but the remaining packages are hard to identify and that needs time [20:06] I've never had it remove anything but that single package - but I'm always wary of autoremove lol [20:07] :) [20:08] baizon: yea I agree with " hard to identify " which is why I use aysiu's command to remove them all :) [20:10] isn't there a "uninstall all but ubuntu-server" [20:10] i'm sure it can be done with scripting... but not by me :D [20:11] ( I thought, remove all but ubuntu-server, then just get xubuntu packages... but that leads us right back where we started! ) [20:11] andai1: you want ubuntu-server and xubuntu-desktop? [20:13] hobgoblin: No, but I thought "ubuntu-server is pretty minimal" [20:13] bonsoir [20:14] andai1: oic [20:14] je suis un peu en galere a installer xubuntu... qqun pourrait me depanner ? [20:15] !ask niconico | fr [20:15] !ask fr | niconico [20:15] damn i forgot that stupid command :( [20:15] ? [20:16]