[00:23] <martinphone> does any of you use vpn's?
[01:26] <mstef> just installed xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu..all is good but i have no sound.. installed pulse, gnome, and xfce mixers -- neither can fix it
[01:27] <mstef> says sound card isn't detected
[01:27] <mstef> (worked fine on ubunut)
[01:27] <mstef> any ideas?
[05:56] <linuxshine> hello
[05:56] <baizon> hi
[05:57] <linuxshine> I have a small problem
[05:57] <linuxshine> I am trying to get xubuntu installed on a friends computer and I keep getting a error
[05:57] <linuxshine> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5o7yq3do8y3yw9t/20120613_160445.jpg
[05:58] <linuxshine> has anyone seen this before?
[05:58] <linuxshine> it happens right around the time the user is being configured
[05:59] <linuxshine> I cannot make sense of it but I don't know a whole lot about debugging
[06:00] <baizon> please make a memory check
[06:00] <baizon> for 10 min
[06:00] <baizon> it happens while installing?
[06:02] <baizon> you should check you hdd too
[06:03] <linuxshine> yes that photo was from a custom distro I made from remastersys but I took the normal xubuntu disc over to his house to let him try it beacuse I was running late for work and he said it yielded the same results
[06:03] <baizon> a ok, so this isnt hes error msg?
[06:03] <linuxshine> he can get older versions of linux to install no problem
[06:04] <linuxshine> this is off of his laptop
[06:04] <linuxshine> I can use the same disc in other computers and it installs just fine
[06:04] <baizon> ok, so he should make a memtest
[06:04] <baizon> some hardware can be broken
[06:04] <baizon> there is an integrated memory test on the xubuntu install disc
[06:05] <linuxshine> but if hardware was broken wouldn't the older distros yield the same results?
[06:06] <baizon> ok, other question. How was he installing this distro? he deleted the whole disc?
[06:06] <linuxshine> yes he selected erase entire disc
[06:07] <baizon> or does he want  windows+xubuntu side by side
[06:07] <linuxshine> i tried it a few ways he only wants xubuntu
[06:07] <linuxshine> he has it on his desktop and fell in love with it
[06:07] <olbi> hello guys :D
[06:07] <baizon> hmm ok
[06:08] <linuxshine> i set a few boot options and nothing seemed to help
[06:08] <linuxshine> i did the first run with acpi=off
[06:09] <linuxshine> then noapic
[06:09] <baizon> linuxshine: but does the install works?
[06:09] <linuxshine> then i did it again with both
[06:09] <baizon> or is it while installing from disc?
[06:09] <linuxshine> it stops at that point right after configuring user the screen in the photo comes up
[06:10] <linuxshine> and never completes insulation
[06:10] <linuxshine> i tested the cd on a few of my computers and it installs just fine
[06:11] <baizon> hmm, what hardware does he have?
[06:11] <linuxshine> its a dell xps m140
[06:11] <linuxshine> let me find the specs
[06:12] <baizon> got them already
[06:12] <baizon> it should work
[06:13] <baizon> please let him check his memory and hard drive
[06:13] <baizon> i personally think some hardware is broken
[06:13] <baizon> or you can try xubuntu 10.4
[06:13] <baizon> if that distro works
[06:14] <baizon> but i dont understand 1 thing
[06:14] <baizon> why is there VirtualBox drivers on that screen
[06:14] <linuxshine> lol
[06:15] <baizon> ?
[06:15] <kati_hathor> hey everyone
[06:15] <olbi> kati_hathor, hello :D
[06:15] <linuxshine> when i made that disc I configured it in vbox tweaked the desktop settings for him and installed the programs that he likes created it with remastersys
[06:15] <kati_hathor> i'm having trouble getting xubuntu working on my desktop that has win7 on it
[06:15] <linuxshine> thats what i was thinking vbox messed it up
[06:16] <baizon> linuxshine: but?
[06:16] <linuxshine> so i took a copy of xubuntu desktop over to his house today
[06:16] <baizon> ok
[06:16] <baizon> and that didnt work either?
[06:16] <kati_hathor> i can boot into win7 but not into xubuntu
[06:16] <linuxshine> and he said he gets the same error without the vbox
[06:16] <baizon> ok
[06:16] <baizon> linuxshine: do you get the grub boot menu?
[06:16] <baizon> linuxshine: wasnt meaning you
[06:17] <linuxshine> not after the install just a blinking cursor
[06:17] <baizon> kati_hathor: do you get the grub menu?
[06:17] <kati_hathor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041782/
[06:17] <kati_hathor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041786/
[06:17] <kati_hathor> yeah i am using grub
[06:17] <kati_hathor> i get errors trying to but into ubuntu but no problems booting into windows
[06:18] <kati_hathor> i have a 100gb ide drive and a 500gb sata drive
[06:19] <kati_hathor> i did custom partition on the 500gb since i had space to install on there
[06:19] <kati_hathor> i was hoping to make that computer dual boot since i put in lots of time on setting up win7 properly
[06:19] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: you've got grub installed twice - sda and sdc
[06:20] <kati_hathor> yeah i installed it twice
[06:20] <baizon> linuxshine: my recommendation is...
[06:20] <baizon> 1. try xubuntu 10.04 if it works (if yes its a kernel / driver problem, if no hardware is broken)
[06:20] <baizon> 2. test memory and hdd
[06:20] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: try reinstalling grub to sda - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstall_from_the_LiveCD
[06:20] <baizon> kati_hathor: when booting linux you get a black screen?
[06:20] <linuxshine> baizon so you think he could have bad hw and still beable to install older distros but somthing is stoping him from installing the new kernel?
[06:21] <linuxshine> because something might be broken? or a new check in the kernel is preventing it to install?
[06:21] <baizon> linuxshine: i think it can be the memory, but older systems got other memory mapping and "luck". Or the hdd can have a bad block
[06:22] <baizon> linuxshine: or the new kernel doesnt support something
[06:22] <kati_hathor> i get a black screen then it errors out saying it can't find SSID or something
[06:22] <kati_hathor> sorry UUID
[06:22] <linuxshine> so its down to the memory mapping has changed in the new kernel
[06:22] <linuxshine> and I think you might have a bad ram stick
[06:23] <linuxshine> Lol I understand its trying to make him understand he will call me crazy becuse his old systems install just fine
[06:23] <kati_hathor> thanks hobgoblin  i will try that
[06:24] <linuxshine> well thanks for your help baizon I will send your recommendations off to him
[06:24] <baizon> linuxshine: np
[06:25] <linuxshine> must reboot I can finally enjoy xubuntu on my own system =)
[06:25] <baizon> :)
[06:25] <kati_hathor> not sure why the install itself didn't do the proper grub thing
[06:25] <kati_hathor> i don't mind reinstalling if that is easier
[06:26] <baizon> kati_hathor: you got raid ?
[06:26] <kati_hathor> no not using raid
[06:26] <baizon> kati_hathor: http://askubuntu.com/questions/82661/grub-workaround-for-cannot-find-uuid-in-dual-boot-system-fails-and-now-grub-won
[06:26] <baizon> my recommendation
[06:27] <kati_hathor> but i think it looks at my USB flash boot stick as sda which is bumping the other drives to sdb/sdc
[06:27] <hobgoblin> if you installed grub to the hdd and usb and then try to boot with the usb in then it'll not like that much
[06:29] <kati_hathor> well i don't want to boot off the usb
[06:30] <hobgoblin> either try baizon's method or mine - but don't install grub to the usb ;)
[06:32] <kati_hathor> i think i'll try baizon's method first
[06:32] <baizon> nice to hear :)
[06:32] <kati_hathor> will be really nice to get xubuntu working on my workstation, have had it on my laptop since 11.10 came out and i like it
[06:32] <kati_hathor> :)
[06:33] <kati_hathor> kind of confused how it maps the ide drie to sdx
[06:33] <kati_hathor> *drive
[06:34] <kati_hathor> i thought it would make it hda or something
[06:34] <hobgoblin> well whichever you do - good luck
[06:35] <hobgoblin> hda is really old school lol
[06:36] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: you using the 'ticked' answer on the askubuntu page?
[06:36] <kati_hathor> lol well ideally i'd get a new computer but i'm pretty broke
[06:36] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: mine is old ide drives het recognised as sda here - changed around 7.10 I think
[06:37] <kati_hathor> ticked?
[06:37] <kati_hathor> i was going to use the first answer on there
[06:37] <hobgoblin> the ticked one :)
[06:37] <kati_hathor> oh okay lol
[06:37] <kati_hathor> ticked as in the green checkmark i take it? lol
[06:38] <hobgoblin> yea - just basically a copy from a bit further down the wiki page that I linked you to
[06:38] <linuxshine> baizon i could possibly rule out the hard drive failure by having him install to a usb stick?
[06:39] <baizon> linuxshine: you mean try to install xubuntu on a usb stick?
[06:39] <baizon> yes thats a possibility :)
[06:39] <linuxshine> yes have him install to a usb stick instead of his hd
[06:39] <baizon> if that works you know whats the problem :)
[06:40] <linuxshine> cool
[06:43] <kati_hathor> ok so it says "here i undo the changes"
[06:43] <kati_hathor> what changes do i undo
[06:44] <kati_hathor> comment out the uuid stuff?
[06:46] <hobgoblin> baizon: ^^ I've never done it like that so can't help :)
[06:46] <nerdistmonk> how do i replace a package installed in the repo with a program compiled from source, I got pulseaudio compiled and want to install it
[06:46] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: you need to talk to people by using their nick's :)
[06:48] <kati_hathor> sorry hobgoblin just a little confused
[06:50] <kati_hathor> hobgoblin, i didn't edit any files just did the update-grub
[06:50] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: as I said I've never needed to chroot to fix grub - I always use the other one :)
[06:51] <kati_hathor> hobgoblin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041988
[06:54] <kati_hathor> hobgoblin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041990
[06:55] <kati_hathor> hobgoblin, i'm going to try your method now lol
[06:56] <hobgoblin> there's only two lines you need to run if you know the drive - the mount and grub install ones
[06:59] <kati_hathor> hobgoblin, i think i got it, let me reboot and see if it worked <3
[07:02] <hobgoblin> well I hope it did
[07:02] <kati_hathor> me too, i guess we'll find out soon
[07:03] <kati_hathor> no still got that ALERT /dev/disk/by_uuid/<xxxxxxx> does not exist
[07:04] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: write down the uuid number - check it against your pastes
[07:06] <kati_hathor> hobgoblin, it maps to /dev/sda3 which is where i installed the / folder
[07:08] <hobgoblin> 77b1fb5f-532f-42b4-a266-80d64ceaa5cd
[07:08] <hobgoblin> that one?
[07:08] <kati_hathor> yeah
[07:09] <kati_hathor> i'm going to boot back into livecd
[07:09] <hobgoblin> ok - do that and we can go through it
[07:10] <hobgoblin> how did grub end up on the usb?
[07:11] <kati_hathor> hobgoblin, let me try something else i think the bios might have been booting hdb instead of hda
[07:11] <hobgoblin> that was my next question :)
[07:12] <kati_hathor> hmm when i boot off of the other drive i just get a grub> prompt
[07:12] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: boot the live and we'll see
[07:12] <kati_hathor> okay :)
[07:12] <kati_hathor> thanks for being patient with me, hobgoblin
[07:13] <hobgoblin> it's ok, first thing in the morning - I'm still getting through the first teapot :)
[07:13] <kati_hathor> cool :)
[07:19] <kati_hathor> hobgoblin, ok i'm back up on livecd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042010/
[07:21] <kati_hathor> sda1 is the flashdrive livecd
[07:25] <hobgoblin> ok - sudo mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt
[07:25] <hobgoblin> sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdb
[07:26] <hobgoblin> assuming that the 120Gb drive will be sda when the system boots WITHOUT the usb plugged in
[07:27] <kati_hathor> okay cool
[07:28] <kati_hathor> i think what might have happened is i did /dev/sda but the livecd thought it was sda
[07:28] <kati_hathor> let me reboot trying that now
[07:28] <kati_hathor> with it on sdb
[07:30] <hobgoblin> take the usb out ...
[07:30] <kati_hathor> i did
[07:30] <kati_hathor> it booted to a grub prompt
[07:31] <kati_hathor> i did ls on grub and it shows the disk with four partitions as hd0 and the disk with 2 partitions as hd1
[07:33] <hobgoblin> so it's seeing them the other way round then
[07:34] <kati_hathor> apparently, so perhaps what is happening is with the usb drive it sees the sata as sd3 but without it then it becomes sd1?
[07:34] <kati_hathor> so if i try that same command and do /dev/sdc maybe it would work?
[07:34] <hobgoblin> yea
[07:35] <hobgoblin> though you could try changing boot order
[07:35] <hobgoblin> brb - more tea
[07:35] <kati_hathor> k i'll try that first
[07:35] <kati_hathor> cool
[07:44] <hobgoblin> you've gone very quiet ;)
[07:44] <kati_hathor> just trying this now with /dev/sdc
[07:44] <kati_hathor> computer really slow ;)
[07:44] <hobgoblin> :)
[07:45] <hobgoblin> can you post in a paste all of the commands so I can see them please :)
[07:46] <kati_hathor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042034
[07:46] <kati_hathor> i'm going to reboot again and see if that did it
[07:46] <hobgoblin> k - I assume the install to sdb said the same thing
[07:46] <hobgoblin> hang on
[07:47] <kati_hathor> ok i'll wait
[07:49] <kati_hathor> last time it was the same thing just to sdb
[07:49] <kati_hathor> right now my bios is set to boot from the 500gig drive, hobgoblin
[07:51] <hobgoblin> trying to remember where a file is ...
[07:52] <kati_hathor> oki
[07:52] <well_laid_lawn> are we talking about /etc/fstab ?
[07:52] <hobgoblin> nope
[07:53] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: you've still got the system drive mounted in /mnt ?
[07:53] <kati_hathor> yes
[07:53] <hobgoblin> does this show anything cat /mnt/boot/grub/device.map
[07:54] <kati_hathor> file not found
[07:54] <hobgoblin> well_laid_lawn: we got a grub2 playing games
[07:54] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: ok
[07:54] <kati_hathor> is that good or bad? lol
[07:54] <hobgoblin> well grub is installed to the drive that bios is set to boot from - so have another go
[07:55] <kati_hathor> okay i'll reboot
[07:55] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: I don't appear to have one either
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> the uuid in grub.cfg points to the right device?
[07:56] <hobgoblin> yep
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> should boot then
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> ...
[07:57] <kati_hathor> argh still dumped to busybox
[07:57] <kati_hathor> it thinks the uuid doesn't exist for whatever reason
[07:58] <kati_hathor> i get this screen (not my screenshot) - http://dominikengbers.gmxhome.de/bug.JPG
[07:59] <kati_hathor> but the uuid is the one from pastebin starting with 77b1
[08:00] <kati_hathor> maybe it needs the rootdelay thing to work
[08:01] <kati_hathor> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=981159
[08:01] <kati_hathor> i tried typing exit to that and it booted so i'm going to read thru the rest of the thread
[08:02] <hobgoblin> aaah - good so you can get into the system then
[08:02] <hobgoblin> that'll make life easier
[08:02] <kati_hathor> yeah worst case i have to type exit to that screen til i find a solution
[08:02] <kati_hathor> just i thought that screen was a dead end
[08:03] <hobgoblin> yep - I'll look into rootdelay for grub2
[08:03] <hobgoblin> bear in mind a lot of threads on the forum will be for grub not grub2
[08:05] <kati_hathor> thanks for your help with this stuff
[08:05] <hobgoblin> ok :)
[08:05] <kati_hathor> now that i can boot into both OS's then it will be easier to figure stuff out
[08:06] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: I might have got there
[08:07] <kati_hathor> looks like adding root delay to the /etc/default/grub
[08:07] <hobgoblin> you might need to add it to a script - but if you found a source to do that then great :)
[08:09] <kati_hathor> well when the update manager finishes installing all this stuff i'll know on reboot if it fixed
[08:09] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: it might be as simple as uncommenting #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true this line in /etc/default/grub and doing a sudo update-grub
[08:10] <hobgoblin> but that in itself can be a pain if drives change their position during boot - ie sda becoming sdb
[08:10] <hobgoblin> I'm off for a bit now - will be back later though
[08:10] <kati_hathor> oh okay the thing i read was adding rootdelay=xx to the grub_cmdline_linux_default
[08:10] <kati_hathor> cool well thanks for helping me get booted :)
[08:10] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: got a link?
[08:11] <kati_hathor> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1401334
[08:11] <hobgoblin> if that works then that is a better solution
[08:11] <hobgoblin> k
[08:13] <kati_hathor> i set it to 30 so hopefully that's a long enough delay
[08:13] <hobgoblin> kati_hathor: if it isn't - when in grub menu - do e
[08:13] <kati_hathor> i'd rather it booted faster but if everything was the way i wanted it i'd have a new computer lol
[08:14] <kati_hathor> e?
[08:14] <hobgoblin> then you can edit the delay
[08:14] <hobgoblin> then boot
[08:14] <kati_hathor> oh ok
[08:14] <hobgoblin> I'd play until you have the shortest delay  - then change the line the grub cfg file and update grub
[08:14] <kati_hathor> well i'll reboot again when update manager finishes and see if it is working
[08:14] <hobgoblin> trial and error I think
[08:15] <kati_hathor> yeah
[08:15] <kati_hathor> the disk controller seems to lag
[08:16] <hobgoblin> I didn't realise till a few lines ago it was going to busybox
[08:16] <kati_hathor> oh, yeah i thought i mentioned that at some point
[08:16] <kati_hathor> what is busy box anyway
[08:17] <hobgoblin> not got a real idea - I've only had it once years ago - I tend to only look into things I need to - I'm not an IT guy :)
[08:18] <kati_hathor> lol yeah
[08:18] <kati_hathor> i'm just excited to get this computer working again, it's been collecting dust b/c the video card went out and the old vid card i replaced it with doesn't have win7x64 drivers
[08:19] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:19] <hobgoblin> all of my machines are cannibalised from bits, I think I bought a graphics and audio card is all
[08:19] <kati_hathor> unfortunately i'm without income atm so i can't afford a new computer and it seems silly to fork out money on a decent agp card when i can get a new mobo for about twice that
[08:19]  * hobgoblin too
[08:20] <kati_hathor> if i can get dual monitor working on here i'll be golden
[08:20] <kati_hathor> i mean it works as clone, have to figure out how to make it do two screens
[08:20] <hobgoblin> I got that going here - what card is in the box?
[08:20] <kati_hathor> it works on xp so i figure it should work on ubuntu
[08:20] <kati_hathor> geforce mx 440
[08:20] <hobgoblin> oh ...
[08:21] <kati_hathor> yeah pretty crappy i know *blush*
[08:21] <hobgoblin> might have some trouble then - don't install the nvidia one
[08:21] <hobgoblin> not at all - just old :) that was what I had before I replaced it
[08:21] <kati_hathor> well i have an ultra 6800 but it has some issue with it
[08:23] <hobgoblin> might not have the issue in linux
[08:23] <hobgoblin> but let's get you going first :)
[08:24] <kati_hathor> well windows 7 used to boot fine with the 6800 and then it stopped booting up without me changing drivers or anything
[08:25] <hobgoblin> we can try :)
[08:25] <kati_hathor> then i popped in the mx and it booted without a hitch but it's too old to have win7 drivers
[08:25] <hobgoblin> anyway - I gtg for an hour or so
[08:25] <kati_hathor> okay
[08:25] <hobgoblin> if you are still here and need help :)
[08:25] <kati_hathor> well i'm going to be setting this up for awhile so i'll prob lurk here :)
[08:25] <hobgoblin> k
[08:25] <kati_hathor> thanks for your help <3
[08:26] <hobgoblin> welcome
[12:41] <fry_> installing Xbuntu for the first here w00t
[12:41] <fry_> anyone home?
[12:42] <GridCube> :) some might be sleeping
[12:42] <hobgoblin> yawn ....
[14:13] <YeahRight> i'm trying to upgrade my ubuntu version to 12.04
[14:14] <YeahRight> xubuntu that is but i get a major problem it seems
[14:14] <YeahRight> Could not install the upgrades The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[14:14] <YeahRight> can anyone tell me what i should do next? i really dont want to loose my previous installation
[14:14] <YeahRight> what happened here? everything looked just fine
[15:34] <strange> hey guys is there a way to get terminal with linux default colours like in ubuntu?
[15:39] <drc> Open Terminal>Preferences>Colors...change the background and text colors to whatever you want.
[15:40] <drc> and those are <not> "linux default colors" :)
[15:42] <drc> That would probably be black background and white text.
[15:42] <strange> i changed that
[15:42] <strange> but every other colour is like blueish
[15:43] <strange> in irssi for instance if ctrl+alt+ f1 and use irssi there
[15:43] <strange> i have normal colours for command bar etc
[15:43] <strange> in terminal everything is just shades of blue
[15:43] <strange> the foreground and letter part i understand its the other colours im talking about
[15:44] <drc> I haven't got a clue what you are talking about then...sorry.
[15:44] <strange> the palette
[15:45] <strange> its a weird mix of colours very different from default linux terminal palette
[15:45] <lince> alguem?
[15:46] <lince> hi
[15:52] <hobgoblin> !ask | lince
[17:24] <Dinoflagellate> Hi all!  Anyone have any idea why xubuntu doesn't allow me to intall on an old Thinkpad T23?
[17:25] <drc> First approximation:  Not enough memory?
[17:26] <Dinoflagellate> Hm. What would be enough? Do you know? There's 1/2 Gig in there.
[17:28] <Dinoflagellate> @drc - I can install ubuntu up to 11.04, but then unity killed it. Was hoping xubuntu would be light enough.
[17:28] <knome> Dinoflagellate, that should be fine
[17:29] <Dinoflagellate> @knome. Ok, well I'm having problems with both xubuntu and lubuntu.  I can go back and install ubuntu 10.04, but for some reason I have to first run the live CD and then install from there.
[17:30] <Dinoflagellate> (Thanks for your input, by the way.)
[17:30] <knome> np
[17:31] <Dinoflagellate> :)
[17:32] <Dinoflagellate> Was thinking about starting with ubuntu 10.04, and then installing xubuntu-desktop, and finally removing ubuntu's desktop so that I could upgrade from there.  Must be an easier way, tho!
[17:33] <knome> have you checked the cd integrity? tried with alternate?
[17:33] <knome> can you boot to the live cd?
[17:33] <Dinoflagellate> Yes, I can boot to the live Cd.  When I try to install from ther,e it comes to the spinner which just goes on forever.
[17:33] <Dinoflagellate> Never finishes.
[17:34] <knome> have you checked if there is any info on the other TTY's?
[17:34] <Dinoflagellate> I haven't checked integrity, but when brasero burnt the disk, it did check the checksum.
[17:34] <Dinoflagellate> Hmmm.  You mean <alt><ctl>F_n?
[17:34] <knome> yes
[17:34] <Dinoflagellate> If so, no.
[17:35] <Dinoflagellate> Didn't know to do that/.  I just looked at dmesg and got overwhelmed with the detail.
[17:35] <knome> the tail of the dmesg might be useful too
[17:36] <knome> anyway, if those things doesn't seem to bring anything up, i'd try alternate cd
[17:36] <Dinoflagellate> Ok. Should I try again and see what the terminals say?  And get the tail of dmesg to report back here?
[17:36] <Dinoflagellate> How can alternate help?
[17:36] <knome> it uses a text-mode installation
[17:36] <knome> rather than the graphical
[17:37] <knome> that just works for some, when the graphical installer doesn't
[17:37] <Dinoflagellate> Is the point that it's less memory intensive?
[17:37] <knome> that too
[17:37] <knome> and it avoids possible graphic driver problems at installation time
[17:38] <Dinoflagellate> Ok. Ah.  I did see something in dmesg about the graphical driver.  Didn't know if it was relevant, tho.
[17:43] <xubuntu857> hi  there . I lost my mouse pointer. Arrow replaced by black cross. lost close/reduce/ maximize icons as well. I'm on Xubuntu
[17:43] <Dinoflagellate_> @knome.  Connection failed, but anyway... I'll go and try looking @ the terminals, and then if nothing comes up, move to alternate.  Thanks for the input!
[17:45] <Sysi> xubuntu857: try pressing Alt F2 and typing xfwm4 --replace
[18:03] <blackgatocatnegr> so, whats #xubuntu version of Si Soft sandra?
[18:03] <blackgatocatnegr> I wanna check what hardware I do have
[18:04] <Sysi> try lspci and/or sudo lshw and/or lscpu
[18:08] <blackgatocatnegr> And one with a gui?
[18:09] <baizon> blackgatocatnegr: sysinfo
[18:09] <baizon> blackgatocatnegr: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-get-your-system-information-with-sysinfo.html
[19:03] <szerzetes> hi, when hcitool don't show my BT device what sould I do?
[19:51] <andai1> so i just created a Ubuntu live USB ( took literally 2 hours ), then decided I hate unity and would like to use Xubuntu instead. At some point ( 5 years ago? ) I know you could install xubuntu-desktop. Is there also a command to remove everything not required for xubuntu ( but that comes with ubuntu? )
[19:51] <andai1> tl;dr have a Ubuntu liveCD but want to install Xubuntu :D
[19:52] <baizon> andai1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64241/how-do-i-switch-to-xubuntu
[19:53] <andai1> Yes. Thank you.
[19:54] <andai1> What I mean is, then I'll still have all the Ubuntu-specific packages installed, but i'm worried removing those might break Xubuntu too
[19:54] <andai1> I understand there's some overlap
[19:56] <andai1> For example this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu is just a list of packages that are safe to remove. Isn't there a more elegant solution
[19:59] <baizon> andai1: i know what you mean
[19:59] <baizon> but dont worry most of them will get "autoremove" status
[19:59] <andai1> bazion: ?
[20:00] <andai1> whoops. baizon*. When, I mean
[20:00] <baizon> after you installed the xubuntu-desktop meta package
[20:00] <andai1> won't it assume you want to keep using the ubuntu stuff as well
[20:00] <baizon> and remove ubuntu-desktop package
[20:00] <andai1> ahh ok
[20:01] <baizon> no, if you remove the ubuntu-desktop meta package
[20:01] <andai1> thanks
[20:01] <baizon> np
[20:03] <hobgoblin> baizon: I've never had removing a *-desktop package do anymore than remove that only
[20:04] <baizon> hobgoblin: ?
[20:04] <drc> remove the meta-package itself not the individual packages?
[20:05] <hobgoblin> might have read wrong up there though - I've always had to use the 'inelegant' method to remove the remainber
[20:05] <baizon> i know not everything will be removed
[20:06] <baizon> but the remaining packages are hard to identify and that needs time
[20:06] <hobgoblin> I've never had it remove anything but that single package - but I'm always wary of autoremove lol
[20:07] <baizon> :)
[20:08] <hobgoblin> baizon: yea I agree with " hard to identify " which is why I use aysiu's command to remove them all :)
[20:10] <andai1> isn't there a "uninstall all but ubuntu-server"
[20:10] <andai1> i'm sure it can be done with scripting... but not by me :D
[20:11] <andai1> ( I thought, remove all but ubuntu-server, then just get xubuntu packages... but that leads us right back where we started! )
[20:11] <hobgoblin> andai1: you want ubuntu-server and xubuntu-desktop?
[20:13] <andai1> hobgoblin: No, but I thought "ubuntu-server is pretty minimal"
[20:13] <niconico> bonsoir
[20:14] <hobgoblin> andai1: oic
[20:14] <niconico> je suis un peu en galere a installer xubuntu... qqun pourrait me depanner ?
[20:15] <baizon> !ask niconico | fr
[20:15] <baizon> !ask fr | niconico
[20:15] <baizon> damn i forgot that stupid command :(
[20:15] <niconico> ?
[20:16] <laite> !fr | niconico
[20:16] <hobgoblin> lol
[20:16] <baizon> thank you :*
[20:16] <laite> :)
[20:16] <niconico> ok.... thanks ubottu
[20:58] <Azelphur> Using my keyboards volume control hotkeys, it brings up the volume osd and shows a bar that goes up and down as it should, but it has absolutely no effect on volume. Any ideas?
[21:01] <ochosi> Azelphur: what version of xubuntu are you using?
[21:01] <Azelphur> 12.04
[21:02] <ochosi> Azelphur: did you upgrade or do a clean install?
[21:02] <Azelphur> clean
[21:02] <Azelphur> I am using a USB Headset which may somehow be related
[21:03] <ochosi> Azelphur: well have you tried setting the correct output in the "sound settings..."?
[21:03] <ochosi> in "output devices"-tab you should be able to select your usb-device (if it's supported)
[21:03] <Azelphur> hmm, where is sound settings?
[21:04] <Azelphur> kupfer doesn't find it and it's not in xfce4-settings-manager o.O
[21:05] <ochosi> Azelphur: do you have the sound-menu in your panel? (volume-icon)
[21:05] <ochosi> Azelphur: if you click that there is a menu-item "sound settings"
[21:05] <ochosi> but you can also use the normal menu and look "pulseaudio volume control" (== pavucontrol)
[21:05] <Azelphur> ah yea I have that, found it
[21:06] <Azelphur> and yes my headset is selected
[21:06] <Azelphur> and sound is coming out of my headset, it's just the volume control on the keyboard that doesn't work
[21:06] <Azelphur> the bar inside pavucontrol works though
[21:08] <ochosi> Azelphur: i would bet that the wrong sound-device is selected
[21:08] <ochosi> you can change that in xfce4-settings-editor
[21:09] <Azelphur> xfce4-mixer?
[21:10] <ochosi> nah, xfce4-mixer shouldn't affect pulseaudio
[21:10] <ochosi> it's kinda deprecated now
[21:10] <Azelphur> hmm, where abouts in the settings editor?
[21:10] <ochosi> or: we'll deprecate it in 12.10 i think
[21:10] <ochosi> one sec, i'll search the bugreport with the solution for you
[21:10] <Azelphur> ty :D
[21:11] <ochosi> Azelphur: read #14 and #16: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed/+bug/883485
[21:12] <ochosi> Azelphur: g2g now, good luck!
[21:12] <Azelphur> ok, ty :)
[21:12] <ochosi> yw :)
[21:12] <andai1> so... i just installed ubuntu-desktop... i logged out and... where do i select it? have i forgotten something
[21:19] <GridCube> andai1, choose it as session
[21:19] <GridCube> i assume you want an ubuntu session
[21:20] <andai1> GridCube: Uh... i see the main user, and "Guest"
[21:20] <andai1> GridCube: What should the icon looked like? Maybe i need to enable session selection or something first?
[21:21] <GridCube> i don't know wich greeter are you using
[21:21] <GridCube> are you using the xubuntu's one?
[21:21] <andai1> GridCube: Wrong! I want Xubuntu ( but made an ubuntu liveCD instead. I didn't realize Unity was ... steep learning curve :D
[21:22] <andai1> GridCube: LightDM, apparently
[21:22] <andai1> which no-one seems to know how to configure
[21:22] <GridCube> andai1, yep lightdm is, but the greeter, it looks like this: http://www.be-root.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lightdm.jpg
[21:22] <GridCube> ¿?
[21:23] <andai1> Uh.. like this! http://www.muktware.com/sites/default/files/images/os/Ubuntu-lightdm-1.jpg
[21:23] <andai1> except with more icons... but no session... afaics
[21:23] <GridCube> :) ok so you have the ubuntu's greeter not the xubuntus
[21:23] <GridCube> :D
[21:24] <GridCube> press in the gear icon
[21:24] <andai1> oh sh, i thought that was just bad design!
[21:24] <andai1> thanks
[21:25] <GridCube> :)
[21:25] <andai1> I even had an IDEA like that ( to replace rarely used things in UIs with collapsible gear icons...  XD
[21:26] <GridCube> andai1, you can edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and change greeter-session to lightdm-gtk-greeter
[21:26] <GridCube> to use the xubuntu's one
[21:27] <ipv6hermit> hey guys, I installed compiz on xubuntu 12.04... I execute compiz --replace ccp and it works fine
[21:27] <GridCube> ( andai1 you can even follow FAQ7 to autologin to xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ (
[21:27] <ipv6hermit> what is the correct way to make it default?
[21:27] <GridCube> add that to the session boot
[21:28] <GridCube> ipv6hermit, >configuratio >session & boot >session
[21:29] <ipv6hermit> GridCube: ?? settings manager?
[21:30] <GridCube> mmhm i think it is, im translating to english in the fly
[21:33] <drc> settings manager>sessions and startup>session.
[21:48] <YeahRight> i'm trying to upgrade my ubuntu version to 12.04
[21:48] <YeahRight> xubuntu that is but i get a major problem it seems
[21:48] <YeahRight> Could not install the upgrades The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[21:48] <YeahRight> can anyone tell me what i should do next? i really dont want to loose my previous installation
[21:48] <YeahRight> what happened here? everything looked just fine
[21:51] <GridCube> YeahRight, many things can go wrong, starting from a bad connection during a download to a bad sector in you hard drive, so anything could be
[21:51] <GridCube> you should backup all your data and do a clean install from an iso
[21:53] <YeahRight> that would be terrible
[21:53] <YeahRight> how can this occur so easily
[21:53] <GridCube> don't know, it doesnt happen to much people
[21:54] <GridCube> most of the times it goes well, or people simply do clean installs, they are always safer
[21:54] <YeahRight> cant i try something else for fixing GridCube?
[21:54] <YeahRight> maybe check some log?
[21:55] <GridCube> YeahRight, the program already told you what to do, dpkg --configure -a
[21:55] <YeahRight> the error message is as bad as windows usually does
[21:55] <GridCube> you could do an sudo apt-get autoremove, then a dist-upgrade
[21:56] <YeahRight> what would that do? i'm not really a linux expert
[21:56] <YeahRight> and i think rebooting will run dpkg --configure -a automatically now?
[21:56] <YeahRight> should i finish that first and then do an sudo apt-get autoremove, then a dist-upgrade
[21:57] <GridCube> yes
[21:58] <GridCube> the sudo apt-get autoremove will clean the system of broken programs
[21:58] <YeahRight> i see
[21:58] <YeahRight> btw: thanks for trying to help
[21:58] <GridCube> the sudo apt-get dist-updage will make it look for new sources instead of the old ones
[21:59] <GridCube> then you proceed to the upgrading the same way you did before
[22:00] <GridCube> but I would recommend you again to do a clean install, its really, by far, much more clean and safe
[22:00] <YeahRight> but that would mean i would lots of stuff
[22:01] <YeahRight> i dont know which files and file locations to backup
[22:01] <YeahRight> would loose
[22:01] <GridCube> you should have a partition dedicated to your /home, and another for /, then if you do clean installs you just repoint to /home during the install and say it to not format it, then you have your files safe and a new os :P
[22:01] <YeahRight> i clicked the popup boxes away now and my system didnt reboot yet
[22:01] <YeahRight> should i reboot first now and then dpkg --configure -a will run?
[22:01] <GridCube> they wont
[22:02] <GridCube> i think it already did
[22:02] <YeahRight> oh
[22:02] <YeahRight> what would occur if i would reboot now? i would still get the desktop manager?
[22:03] <GridCube> you should, in case you do not, i recommend you to install now a few programs
[22:03] <GridCube> open a terminal and do this: sudo apt-get install irssi mc
[22:03] <YeahRight> great support..really appreciate it
[22:03] <GridCube> it will install irssi, an text irc program, and mc, a text file manager that will make sense
[22:04] <GridCube> then if you dont have a graphical terminal you can still go to a tty, pressing ctrl-alt-F1 and log in
[22:04] <YeahRight> i already had those 2 installed
[22:04] <YeahRight> ok
[22:05] <GridCube> then you can launch irssi and connect to freenode by writing /server irc.freenode.net, and then to this channel by /join #xubuntu
[22:05] <GridCube> and if you need to manage files you simply launch mc from another tty, you can switch ttys by pressing alt-Fs
[22:05] <YeahRight> yup but i'm already connected now on my windows box
[22:06] <GridCube> :)
[22:06] <GridCube> good, then you reboot
[22:06] <YeahRight> so i shoudl reboot before running sudo apt-get dist-updage ?
[22:06] <GridCube> mmhm
[22:07] <YeahRight> thats a yes or?
[22:07] <GridCube> yes you should
[22:07] <YeahRight> ok
[22:07] <YeahRight> i'm updating from 11.10 btw
[22:08] <GridCube> :)
[22:08] <GridCube> id imagine so far, else you wouldnt be able to go to 12.04
[22:11] <YeahRight> ok :P
[22:12] <YeahRight> i still can login and i'm still on 11.10 it seems
[22:12] <GridCube> :)
[22:12] <YeahRight> so no real harm done i think?
[22:12] <YeahRight> would there be another better way to upgrade to 12.04 now?
[22:13] <GridCube> you should be able to update from the standard updater
[22:14] <GridCube> YeahRight, please do a sudo apt-get update
[22:14] <GridCube> and see if it gives you some errors?
[22:16] <martinphone> does skype for ubuntu 10.04 work with xubuntu 12.04?
[22:18] <GridCube> no idea
[22:40] <YeahRight> GridCube : apt-get update done
[22:40] <YeahRight> completed without erros i think..what next?
[22:42] <GridCube> now you try to upgrade the same way you did before
[22:42] <YeahRight> update manager tells me now that not all updates can be installed
[22:42] <GridCube> mmm
[22:42] <YeahRight> run a partial upgrade
[22:43] <GridCube> do sudo apt-get autoremove
[22:43] <YeahRight> it told me the same before the apt-get update
[22:44] <YeahRight> it wont remove data or packages i cant reinstall again?
[22:45] <GridCube> no
[22:45] <GridCube> it will clean stuff
[22:46] <GridCube> YeahRight, you can read what apt-get modifiers do by doing man apt-get on a terminal
[22:46] <YeahRight> ok
[22:47] <YeahRight> it tells me it will remove 71 packages
[22:47] <GridCube> mmhm
[22:47] <YeahRight> and shows the names
[22:47] <GridCube> sounds about right
[22:49] <YeahRight> i get some perl errors about my locale
[22:50] <GridCube> !pastebin | YeahRight
[22:51] <YeahRight> ok
[22:54] <YeahRight> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1043147/
[22:55] <YeahRight> could you take a look GridCube?
[22:59] <GridCube> YeahRight, apparently you can fix your locales using the command locale-gen
[23:01] <YeahRight> i have no idea what to change to
[23:03] <GridCube> YeahRight, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/locale-cannot-set-lc_all-to-default-locale-no-such-file-or-directory-218622/
[23:06] <YeahRight> thanks again
[23:53] <YeahRight> GridCube : how can i force a diskcheck after rebooting?
[23:53] <YeahRight> i still get the partial upgrade thing after autoremove :-(
[23:54] <GridCube> :(
[23:55] <YeahRight> anymore suggestions?
[23:56] <GridCube> :/ i already told you what i would do
[23:56] <GridCube> i would backup my files and do a clean install