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| jussi | JontheEchidna: I just got you and the lead dev od openshot mixored up :/ I was thinking, JontheEchidna develops openshot? huh? | 07:01 |
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| BluesKaj | Hey all | 11:41 |
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| Riddell | kubotu: newversion | 15:19 |
| kubotu | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newversion' | 15:19 |
| Riddell | kubotu: help newversion | 15:19 |
| kubotu | newpackage <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package. | 15:19 |
| kubotu | newversion <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds update bug for existing package. | 15:19 |
| Riddell | kubotu: calligra 2.5beta 2.5 beta | 15:19 |
| Riddell | kubotu: newversion calligra 2.5beta 2.5 beta | 15:19 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1014082 | 15:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1014082 in calligra (Ubuntu) "Please update calligra to 2.5beta" [Undecided,New] | 15:19 |
| Riddell | whee | 15:19 |
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| JontheEchidna | jussi: hehe, yeah, I've gotten that before ;-) | 17:22 |
| JontheEchidna | I've started putting my middle name in things like identity.kde.org to hopefully help w/ that | 17:23 |
| JontheEchidna | e.g. https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/repository/revisions/5cfd7a24425c933c1db4d62877532a19fc76e3aa | 17:24 |
| debfx | I've copied 4.8.4 to the updates PPA | 17:25 |
| debfx | maybe someone can write an announcement on kubuntu.org? | 17:26 |
| Riddell | debfx: I can, or I can just give you the details so you can do it yourself | 17:27 |
| Riddell | ? | 17:28 |
| debfx | Riddell: does the login work with any browser now? | 17:29 |
| Riddell | debfx: don't think so, rekonq/konqueror only | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer | Why is that? :P | 17:30 |
| Riddell | nobody knows | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 17:30 |
| debfx | ok, announcement is up | 17:40 |
| debfx | and yes, login still doesn't work with firefox :/ | 17:41 |
| Riddell | debfx: I've added a thank you note to Felix :) | 17:41 |
| debfx | :) | 17:44 |
| debfx | hm https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu is outdated | 17:47 |
| Riddell | lots of wiki pages are | 17:48 |
| debfx | yeah but this one is linked in all our KDE release announcements | 17:50 |
| Riddell | 4.8.90 is working for me in ninjas, I think I'll move it to backports | 17:59 |
| yofel | Riddell: beta please, not backports | 18:11 |
| Riddell | yofel: oh yes thanks for reminding me | 18:15 |
| Riddell | copying packages in launchpad is just a case of 5 at a time to stop timeouts? | 18:44 |
| yofel | ... which is why I wrote a script to do that | 18:47 |
| yofel | kopypackages in kubuntu-dev-tools | 18:47 |
| Riddell | aah | 18:48 |
| yofel | (It's not a member of package count but size, kdeartwork for example usually fails unless copied alone) | 18:48 |
| yofel | *matter | 18:49 |
| Riddell | yep | 18:56 |
| Riddell | lovely that did it | 19:00 |
| Riddell | voila kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.90 | 19:30 |
| shadeslayer | Any thoughts on bug 875040 | 19:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 875040 in kmymoney (Ubuntu) "KMyMoney window cannot be resized smaller" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875040 | 19:55 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: upstream bug? (just reading the title) | 20:19 |
| shadeslayer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmymoney/+bug/875040/comments/7 | 20:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 875040 in kmymoney (Ubuntu) "KMyMoney window cannot be resized smaller" [Undecided,New] | 20:20 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: Better read that comment | 20:20 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: mm, no idea I'm afriad | 21:20 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, I have little idea as well | 21:20 |
| yofel | fun bug | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | "You have 3 friends with birthdays this week" | 21:26 |
| * shadeslayer ponders about askin unity developers | 21:26 | |
| apachelogger | for every website on the internet you get 3 mails a day | 21:26 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: uhm, I can't resize it here either... (kmymoney 4.6.2 on quantal) | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | in KDE? | 21:27 |
| yofel | well, resize it smaller, larger works | 21:27 |
| yofel | yeah | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | O_O | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | ok so definitely upstream bug | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | or | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | nvm, yes upstream bug | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | COUNCIL VOTE CLOSING IN 3 HOURS OR SOMETHING | 21:28 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ooh exciting | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | I think I will come in last :( | 21:42 |
| yofel | you weren't last on my voting list at least | 21:51 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: hm, I just noticed that the user said it's a regression from natty->oneiric. But we have the same kmymoney version in both | 21:55 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: which comment number? | 21:57 |
| shadeslayer | oh nvm | 21:57 |
| shadeslayer | so ... what is it? 0.o | 21:58 |
| * shadeslayer is confused | 21:58 | |
| shadeslayer | that is one funky bug tbh | 21:58 |
| shadeslayer | it can't be unity because you say the issue happens in KDE as well, it can't be KMM because apparently the same version is in natty and oneiric | 21:59 |
| yofel | well, I'm just looking for any minimumSize settings... but I can't find anything that should apply for the main window... | 21:59 |
| yofel | so maybe it's some size handling bug in QtGtk that was fixed? | 22:00 |
| yofel | or introduced | 22:00 |
| shadeslayer | I wish we could close bug reports like this one with the explanation : This software contains magical code which produces magical bugs, please contact apachelogger for his ponies in order to fix this bug | 22:00 |
| apachelogger | what bug? what? | 22:00 |
| shadeslayer | QtGtk? how would that come into the picture? | 22:00 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: boog 875040 | 22:01 |
| yofel | the user was using ubuntu? | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | ubottu: would you be so kind as to tell me what bug 875040 is as shadeslayer cannot use trigger words? | 22:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 875040 in kmymoney (Ubuntu) "KMyMoney window cannot be resized smaller" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875040 | 22:01 |
| ubottu | apachelogger: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 22:01 |
| yofel | thus the UI would be rendered using Qt's gtk renderer | 22:02 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: now you're just being lazy | 22:02 |
| yofel | comment #2 wouldn't make sense in that case though | 22:03 |
| shadeslayer | uhm, iirc XFCE uses GTk as well | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | someone give me a TLDR version | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | the english in some comments gives me cancer | 22:03 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: essentially, you cannot resize KMM | 22:04 |
| yofel | apachelogger: user complains that he can't make the window smaller in unity, worked in 11.04 and works in xfce. (I can't make it smaller here in KDE either) | 22:04 |
| shadeslayer | maybe upstream set a minimumSize | 22:05 |
| yofel | there's tons of nonsense minimumSize's in the ui files, so I can't fine anything concrete | 22:05 |
| yofel | at least nothing that should affect the main window... | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | if upstream set a minimum size that would affect all windowmanagers as Qt refuses to go below that ALWAYS | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | yofel: minimumsizes combined with layouts can become a problem | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | particularly if defined static, which they should never ever be | 22:06 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: wouldn't the main window NOT go below the least size of a element | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | anyhow, sounds to me like a window manager problem | 22:06 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: good point | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | otherwise there is no reason why it would work on xfce but not on unity | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | the only viable difference is the window manager | 22:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: but you can't resize it below a certain value in KDE as well | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | which is to say, it could still be a minimumsize issues, only that metacity decides to be bugged and ignore it | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: so? | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | kwin aint perfect | 22:08 |
| shadeslayer | ^_^ | 22:09 |
| shadeslayer | true, could be a metacity bug where it just ignores minimumSize | 22:09 |
| yofel | fun: | 22:09 |
| yofel | [ ~/tmp/kmymoney-4.6.2 27 files 580Kb ] | 22:09 |
| yofel | yofel@yofel-T510 $ grep minimumSize -R * | wc -l | 22:09 |
| yofel | 169 | 22:09 |
| shadeslayer | whereas kwin and whatever-unity-uses do respect it | 22:09 |
| shadeslayer | uh yeah, too many minimumSize's to reduce the location of the bug | 22:10 |
| apachelogger | use gammaray | 22:11 |
| shadeslayer | my VPS is almost out of memory trying to link calligra stuff | 22:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oh .. gammaray can help in this case? | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | it always helps | 22:12 |
| shadeslayer | heh ^_^ | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | you can inspect widgets and shit | 22:12 |
| shadeslayer | gammaray is really really cool | 22:12 |
| shadeslayer | I've only used it once or twice though ... | 22:13 |
| shadeslayer | oh, I read somewhere that ubuntu has some sort of automated testing for ISO's | 22:20 |
| shadeslayer | is that specifically for unity ? | 22:21 |
| yofel | ScottK: now that we're in universe, can we put our old universe packages into the seeds so kubuntu-dev gets upload rights for them? (e.g. blinken, kdevelop-php, digikam, ...) We maintain those anyway | 22:21 |
| shadeslayer | agateau: I'm still a bit lost on the app indicator support, does it just need porting to KSNI? | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: status notifier == app indicator | 22:29 |
| Riddell | yofel: hmm good question | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | no clue why canonical to call it app indicator, they are funny I suppose | 22:29 |
| shadeslayer | oh really? awesome, I've worked with KSNI before, should be trivial | 22:29 |
| Riddell | I think they came up with the same then looked around for a technology to implement it | 22:29 |
| Riddell | s/same/name/ | 22:29 |
| kubotu | Riddell meant: "I think they came up with the name then looked around for a technology to implement it" | 22:29 |
| * apachelogger as usual does not compute shadeslayer | 22:29 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ktp needs porting to app indicator/KSNI/whatever | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | ktp? | 22:30 |
| shadeslayer | I was looking ait for a bit last week | 22:30 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: kde telepathy | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | aint it a plasmoid? | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | actually | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | why is it a plasmoid? | 22:31 |
| shadeslayer | the text-ui isn't | 22:31 |
| shadeslayer | there's a plasmoid for chatting :) | 22:31 |
| yofel | which doesn't work for me, only the systray icon works | 22:31 |
| shadeslayer | as well a contact list plasmoid | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | I totally don't get why things are the way they are | 22:31 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: maybe 0.4 will work? I'm waiting on gkiagia to get the packages into debian, then we can just sync them | 22:32 |
| Riddell | yofel: add them to supported I think | 22:32 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: ah, nice, can't wait :) | 22:34 |
| shadeslayer | calligra takes forever to build :( | 22:45 |
| yofel | you could've guessed that... | 22:46 |
| * yofel now wonders if digikam or calligra takes longer... | 22:46 | |
| shadeslayer | I'd say calligra | 22:46 |
| shadeslayer | because digikam makes to compiler ICE | 22:47 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 22:47 |
| shadeslayer | s/to/the/ | 22:47 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | 22:47 |
| yofel | ll | 22:47 |
| yofel | *lol | 22:47 |
| shadeslayer | I think gcc-4.7 ( 13ubuntu1 ) fixes the ICE though | 22:52 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: I'd be blaming Compiz for the kmymoney stuff personally | 22:55 |
| JontheEchidna | stuff exactly like this used to happen in the old days | 22:56 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: doesn't work in KDE as well, so I think apachelogger got it right, bug in metacity and KMM, compiz and kwin just following the application | 22:56 |
| shadeslayer | "old-days" .. hahaha :D | 22:56 |
| JontheEchidna | back before kde4, around Gutsy times | 22:57 |
| shadeslayer | I wonder how many people who contributed to releases before 8.04 are still around | 22:58 |
| apachelogger | 8.04? Oo | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | oh, actually | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | my netbook had 8.04 ^^ | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | turns out the wifi didn't work | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | was quite a deal break | 22:59 |
| JontheEchidna | I started contributing during 8.04 when the kde4 spin CD's first came out :) | 23:00 |
| JontheEchidna | that's... four years ago O_O | 23:00 |
| shadeslayer | I started using kubuntu with 8.04 | 23:01 |
| shadeslayer | horrible time reall | 23:01 |
| shadeslayer | *really | 23:01 |
| shadeslayer | KDE4 had just come out | 23:02 |
| * yofel with 9.10 - 4.3 was the first usable release really. | 23:03 | |
| yofel | used gnome in the meantime | 23:04 |
| Riddell | I don't remember 4.0 being all that bad | 23:05 |
| Riddell | just because it was worse then 3.5 that had come before people's expectations had got out of hand | 23:06 |
| yofel | just to make sure I understand this right: If I put something into the supported Seed germinate will pull in all build-depends as well? (i.e. if I add perlkde it'll pull in ->perlqt+smokekde->smokeqt as well?) | 23:06 |
| Riddell | thing sometimes regress but generally they improve, that's what this book The Rational Optimist says | 23:07 |
| Riddell | yofel: yeah should do | 23:07 |
| yofel | k | 23:07 |
| shadeslayer | \o/ digikam builds | 23:32 |
| ScottK | yofel_: Should be able to, yes. | 23:35 |
| yofel_ | now, if I did this right now you'll actually be able to upload it. (whenever the seeds are processed) | 23:35 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: what is the difference between a KNotification and KSNI? | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | ksni = systray icon, knotification = notification | 23:38 |
| shadeslayer | KSNI is specifically for notifications regarding messages? | 23:38 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 23:38 |
| JontheEchidna | KSNIs are usually used for indicating the status of a running application | 23:38 |
| JontheEchidna | and providing controls for manipulating the program | 23:38 |
| JontheEchidna | KNotifications are text notifications from the app | 23:38 |
| shadeslayer | hm | 23:38 |
| JontheEchidna | "Hey I just borked your HDD" | 23:39 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 23:39 |
| JontheEchidna | "Reformat? y/n" | 23:39 |
| JontheEchidna | "Reformat? Y/n" :P | 23:39 |
| shadeslayer | right, so KNotifications shouldn't allow you to interact with the app? | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: hig fail | 23:39 |
| JontheEchidna | KNotifications can have action buttons embedded in them | 23:39 |
| shadeslayer | right, which is what ktp-text-ui does right now | 23:40 |
| shadeslayer | but all they do is look fugly | 23:40 |
| JontheEchidna | basically the precense plasmoid could be a KSNI if it wanted to (talking about 0.3) | 23:40 |
| JontheEchidna | dunno what's changed in 0.4 | 23:40 |
| shadeslayer | nah, the presence plasmoid wasn't designed that way afaik | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | eh, all it is is an icon showing the state, with a context menu | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | which is exactly what a KSNI is | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | if yer off the icon would be in passive state | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | (i.e. hidden in the popup) | 23:42 |
| shadeslayer | wait, so will this also require me to re write the presence plasmoid? | 23:42 |
| JontheEchidna | what are you trying to do again? (I've not read backlog) | 23:42 |
| * apachelogger does not know what needs to be done :P | 23:42 | |
| apachelogger | <-- cleaning up amarok includes | 23:43 |
| apachelogger | major bumpain | 23:43 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: trying to figure out what needs to be done to implement KSNI support in kde telepathy | 23:43 |
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| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: you'd probably want a KDED module that implements a KSNI interface | 23:43 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you don't implement KSNI support | 23:43 |
| JontheEchidna | if you wanted KSNI | 23:43 |
| apachelogger | you have apps be a KSNI :P | 23:43 |
| apachelogger | it enitrely depends on what the KSNI is supposed to do really | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: not if it's complicated | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | if the kded module goes to shitz so does kded as we have learned through memleakery :P | 23:44 |
| shadeslayer | ok, I'm still confusing stuff here it seems | 23:44 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: it either: launches the account manager executable, launches the contacts list .exe, or does nothing when clicked | 23:44 |
| JontheEchidna | & listens to precense status messages | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | well, I do not know what shadeslayer wants to do :P | 23:45 |
| shadeslayer | so ideally, this KSNI should inform the user of a) New messages, b) new incoming contacts, c) New video/audio calls | 23:45 |
| shadeslayer | that's all I can think of right now | 23:45 |
| shadeslayer | all of that is handled via KNotification right now | 23:46 |
| JontheEchidna | that sounds like the correct way to do that | 23:46 |
| JontheEchidna | (use KNotifications) | 23:46 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: how does it get that infomration? | 23:46 |
| apachelogger | or rather | 23:46 |
| apachelogger | what does the user do upon getting a notification? | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | the notifications are right | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | AAMOF you often end up combining a KSNI with KNotifications | 23:47 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: for texts there's a button to reply, for new incoming contacts he can accept or deny ( and I think there's a option to block, not sure if that works ) | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: the part that provides the notifications then also wants to be a KSNI | 23:48 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: notifications are not enough here as they time out, which is e.g. not good when having a new message | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: doesn't the KDE notifications widget store them? | 23:49 |
| shadeslayer | ^ | 23:49 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: yes but you have no active feedback | 23:49 |
| shadeslayer | But ... those are not persistent iirc | 23:49 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: by that reasoning muon should not have a KSNI for updates :P | 23:49 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: they are until you clean them, or too many piled up | 23:49 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: it has the option to use KSNI, KNotification, both or none :P | 23:49 |
| apachelogger | no clue how many many are tho :P | 23:49 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: so why is the default both? :P | 23:50 |
| apachelogger | also ETOOMANYOPTIONS | 23:50 |
| JontheEchidna | when in KNotification-only mode, the KNotify's are made persistent | 23:50 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: and the latter is perfectly plausible when using a IM app, imagine having 5 people contact you with 5 messages when you're away from your desk | 23:50 |
| JontheEchidna | in the combo mode, it's non-persistent knotifies w/ the tray for interaction | 23:51 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: which is why you should have a KSNI | 23:51 |
| JontheEchidna | in tray-only mode you just get a mysterious KSNI in the tray :P | 23:51 |
| apachelogger | (mind that for us that KSNI use case overlaps with message indicator) | 23:51 |
| shadeslayer | right | 23:51 |
| shadeslayer | so ideally, along with the KNotifications, a KSNI should be used | 23:51 |
| shadeslayer | and the KSNI will be a central place for all messages coming from KTP | 23:52 |
| shadeslayer | so it should ideally be a daemon | 23:52 |
| JontheEchidna | iirc kde-telepathy already has a kded | 23:52 |
| shadeslayer | ^ yep | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: whatever causes the notifications shoudl also provide the KSNI | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | yay, I am lagging, someone is downloading prn again \o/ | 23:53 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: uh ... the text ui has separate notification code | 23:53 |
| JontheEchidna | and the KSNI would then provide those notifications and combine that w/ status info | 23:53 |
| shadeslayer | ( that's the the only submodule I've investigated so far ) | 23:53 |
| JontheEchidna | taking over what the prescence widget has been doing | 23:53 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 23:53 |
| * apachelogger really doens't know/understand all the ktp modules :P | 23:55 | |
| JontheEchidna | btw, I'm re-enabling k3b-i18n in this merge since we're now in universe | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | 5 MINUTES FOR COUNCIL ELECTION | 23:55 |
| * apachelogger almost wrote erection :@ | 23:56 | |
| JontheEchidna | lul | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | we'll probably want to look at all of our seeded packages not covered by kde-l10n-* and ensure that they get integrated in to the l10n-foo | 23:56 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: no idea what that means | 23:57 |
| apachelogger | also no idea what was disabled in k3b | 23:57 |
| JontheEchidna | make sure they get installed when an international user installs k3b | 23:57 |
| JontheEchidna | it used to be: just install language-pack-kde-* and k3b docs are installed | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | now one must install k3b-i18n to get l10n for all languages | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | this move to universe has finally given us what we wanted (to not use rosetta) so now we must take responsibility :P | 23:59 |
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