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beckstaahoi08:59
beckstafolgende frage: habe 1tb webdav space von 1und1, auf den ich gerne meine privaten dokumente auslagern will.. diese möchte ich aber gerne verschlüsseln... mit seahorse und dem nautilus-plugin kann ich aber nur einzelne dateien verschlüsseln, was ich schlecht finde09:00
hakermaniaahoi09:00
beckstakann ich einen verschlüsselten truecrypt container dort ablegen und dann einbinden?09:00
beckstageht das performant, auch wenn der container 3gb haben sollte?   kann dazu jemand was sagen?=09:00
beckstahm... offenbar niemand... :(09:12
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r4yI would like to see a program for fixing audio skips for files on a hard drive.11:48
r4yAlso when I use Audacity to export audio files it strips out the first tags and creates a new tag named unknown and moves the year to the new tag. I am running Ubuntu 10.04 but I thought I should mention it.11:51
philipballew_i wonder if the audacity vhannel would help11:54
philipballew_or ubuntu-studio11:54
philipballew_r4y,11:55
r4yI think I asked before but I left the channel11:56
r4yCan any programs play back audio without skips, like the anti skip CD player I used to own?, and if so why couldn't someone make one that fixes skips for audio files that have already been ripped onto a computer?11:59
SchanitzelnHi. For our little network (4 XP Pro workstations in a Windows workgroup) I plan to get a small linux box, install samba and use it as domain controller and file server (so everybody can work on every computer and still has the right email profile, etc.)12:59
SchanitzelnOne problem with this however seems to be, that we need a MSSQL-Server to host the database for Outlook Business contact manager 2010.12:59
SchanitzelnCurrently one of the workstation is the host, but when we change from workgroup to domain this won't work anymore I guess.12:59
SchanitzelnIs there a way to host the BCM Database on the Ubuntu server? Maybe using virtualbox emulating XP which in turn runs the MSSQL-Server instance for the local network?12:59
phillwhi Schanitzeln, I must say I've never tried this solution, but http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/run-a-ms-sql-server-in-linux-674412/ has a very good discussion on the issue you are having.13:04
phillwI'm just following one of the links back to MySQL13:05
SchanitzelnThanks for the link, however at the moment I believe that porting the database to a different database-system like MySQL (wish I'd love to use) is an option. According to MS' Office support, you are forced to use MSSQL ("..and it's free so why not like it" -.-)13:08
phillwSchanitzeln: okies, but do take a look at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/129/how-to-export-data-from-sql-server-2005-to-mysql13:10
Schanitzelnhaving to run the MSSQLBIZ thing on one of the workstations completely wrecks using a domain in the first place... at least that's what I think (I may lack knowledge there)13:10
phillwOther wise, you are going to have to use the pserformance hit of a virtual machine, which is okay as long as you do not stress that machine.13:11
phillwI don't know of people who have done a conversion, but if you head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=339 I'm sure one of those good people have "Been there, got the T-shirt" to better answer your questions13:13
Schanitzelnphillw: the server machine will run the samba server as domain controller and network storage stuff. No other services (apache, etc.) are planned for the machine. Should a Intel core-i3 2100 with 4GB RAM be able to handel one virtual XP without samba to give in?13:16
SchanitzelnThe information about porting MSSQL data to MySQL is usefull (so I can play around with that data for other projects) but doesn't really help my problem, because it'S the BCM that seems to refuse to "talk" to anything but MSSQLBIZ13:17
phillwSchanitzeln: as they say, there's one way to find out!. I run VM's on my system that has 4GB ram and a AMD Turon.13:17
phillwa server does not eat up resources like a desktop does.13:18
phillwMy personal view, is to use a VM over Wine.13:19
Schanitzelnso virtualbox?13:19
SchanitzelnI tried wine way back when I first played around with linux and wanted to play a windows game. Bad memories, lot's of frustration ;)13:20
phillwwith VM's you allocate it the max it can use, they do cannot exceed that; but only use what they need.13:20
phillwhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualMachines has details for the various ubuntu VM's13:22
Schanitzelnthank you, I'll look into that13:23
phillwI've still not got around to running windows under a VM. I will do it one day!13:23
SchanitzelnIf everything fails I can still take my old windows laptop, install the MSSQLBIZ and hook it up to our network, however this feels very unelegant and clunky13:28
SchanitzelnThanks for your input, gotta do some reading now13:28
nothingspecialhi msdaisy14:50
nothingspecial:D14:50
msdaisy;)14:50
nothingspecialyou should hang here and see if you can help :)14:51
msdaisylol, the last time I was here I was the one receiving the help :P14:51
nothingspecial:)14:51
msdaisywell you're right nothingspecial . This is a pace I can work with :P16:01
phillwmsdaisy: When I 1st started using ubuntu, it became very quickly obvious that us n00bs had the same questions & had learned the answers. You bring that knowledge back to this area, us "oldies" are less in touch with the fear a newcomer has. Just making them feel welcome makes a massive difference :D16:09
msdaisyat least I'm good for something lol ;)16:11
ntwrk_keiththanks ^^16:12
phillwmsdaisy: as you are here & ubuntuforums, you can offer good help & get back-up for when you are not sure. I still nag the living daylights out of people when unsure, you learn, the OP gets a good answer. it is a win - win system :)16:14
msdaisyoh, indeed. I bug the crap out of #ubuntuforums for backup :D16:16
phillwI'm a QA-testing liasion for Lubuntu, I bug the crap out of the release team and devs :P16:17
CavemanZipperhey!16:20
CavemanZippercan someone help me out?16:20
Unit193Just ask the question, and find out. :)16:20
Unit193msdaisy: Here's one for you. ;)16:20
CavemanZipperAlrightyoo16:20
CavemanZipperSo, i was recently hired16:21
CavemanZipperfor an IT apprentice job16:21
CavemanZipperand i'm 16 years old now16:21
CavemanZipperbut have been fiddling with computers n stuff forever16:21
CavemanZipperlike, just messing with everything :P16:21
CavemanZipperand i got super interested in coding and stuff like that16:21
CavemanZippertho i never got the chance to learn.16:21
CavemanZipperI mean, to each his own, and all that code may not be so easy on the eyes to some16:21
CavemanZipperbut i find it so mesmerizing...16:22
CavemanZippernerdy, i know.16:22
CavemanZipperanyway, the head of IT there was passing his smaller roles to me,16:22
CavemanZipperand he recommended a Linux OS16:22
CavemanZipperfor me to mess around in16:22
CavemanZipperhe said it'd be good for me to learn commands and such16:22
CavemanZipperBut now im in here, it seems very graphics-based and flawless16:22
CavemanZipperam i missing out on something?16:22
CavemanZipperI wanna be typing stuff into consoles to launch programs and open files rather than double-click16:23
CavemanZippermaybe that's just bad intial perception but, lead the way! :316:23
msdaisyWith all those words, you would think I would understand the question...16:23
Unit193So you'd be looking for something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal16:24
msdaisyAre you looking for resources to learn the command line?16:24
msdaisyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1909108  this too.16:24
Unit193msdaisy: "Why is linux easy and how do I use the terminal?" is my guess16:24
CavemanZipperyes something along those lines! :)16:26
CavemanZipperWoops, battery is unplugged..16:26
CavemanZipperdarn, brb, gotta find it.16:26
phillwCavemanZipper: also http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_For_Newbies/Command_Line may be of help16:28
CavemanZipperthanks :)16:31
CavemanZipperQuick question,16:31
CavemanZipperthis is Ubuntu, right?16:31
CavemanZipperThe first link you gave me lists Unity, Gnome, Lubuntu, and other stuff16:31
CavemanZipperbut not Ubuntu,16:31
CavemanZipperwhich do i refer to??16:31
Unit193Unity is used in default Ubuntu.16:32
CavemanZipperok, found the terminal!16:32
msdaisyunity and gnome are the graphical user interfaces that lie on top of the Linux foundation CavemanZipper16:32
Unit193There are other flavors that use different DEs.16:32
CavemanZipperAaah..16:32
CavemanZipperi see.16:32
CavemanZipperSo all the icons is Unity's doing?16:32
CavemanZipperhow do I tell if i'm running Gnome or Unity? or am I simultaneously running both?16:33
msdaisywhat do you have installed? 12.04?16:33
Unit193Unity runs on top of gnome, rather than gnome-shell running.16:33
CavemanZipperi dont know how to find out what i've got installed :316:40
CavemanZipperOh, i get it16:40
CavemanZipperreading thru the begginner links now :)16:40
CavemanZipperit seems linuxes are more stable OS than Windows?16:40
msdaisynope.16:41
nothingspecialCavemanZipper: if you want to mess about with the command line press CTRL-ALT-F1, log in, and away you go :)16:41
CavemanZipperthey aren't?!16:42
Unit193I rather find them to be, and a lot of servers are running Linux, so that would count some to stability and security.16:42
CavemanZipperoh ok got it.16:43
CavemanZipperso would you say linux is more stable?16:43
nothingspecialUbuntu is supposed to be easy to use with a nice graphical interface, but it doesn't stop you doing the general linuxy cli stuff if you want16:43
Unit193Well, that's harder to say as ArchLinux is on the bleeding edge, while Debian stable is very, well, stable.16:44
CavemanZippersorry guys!16:50
CavemanZipperI did that ctrl alt F1 thing16:50
CavemanZipperAnd I didnt know how to get out16:50
CavemanZipperHad to go all ALT CTRL DEL on that :P16:50
Unit193Ctrl+alt+f8, generally.16:50
Unit193!tty16:50
CavemanZipperOHH16:50
ubot2To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution.16:50
CavemanZipperthat'll get me out?16:50
CavemanZipperoh..16:50
CavemanZipperWhat's TTY?16:50
nothingspecialtele-type-terminal, or linux withought the windowys boxy things16:51
CavemanZipperoh..16:51
CavemanZipperso TTY is the command line interface?16:52
msdaisyyes16:52
msdaisyit's one.  You can also hit ctrl + alt + t and get a terminal window.16:52
Unit193Though you could pull up a terminal emulator.16:52
CavemanZipperwhich is basically the same thing at the core, but minus nearly all user-friendliness?16:52
nothingspecialdepends what you mean CavemanZipper16:52
CavemanZipperwhat's the difference between the TTY and the Terminal within the GUI?16:52
nothingspecialyour original question was about ubuntu being to flashy and wanting to use the cli CavemanZipper ?16:53
Unit193If the GUI is acting up, or having issues, you can switch to a TTY and fix more easily than pulling up a terminal.16:53
CavemanZipperyeahp16:53
CavemanZipperoh..I see unit19316:53
CavemanZipperwhat do you mean "acting up"?16:53
CavemanZipperDoes that happen often?16:54
nothingspecialso, that's how you do it, ctrl-alt-f{1,2,3,4,5,616:54
CavemanZippernoted :)16:54
nothingspecial}16:54
nothingspecialhi Tiker16:54
CavemanZipperoh I have another question..16:55
CavemanZipperwhat exactly is a "root user"?16:55
CavemanZipperI'm trying to install rdesktop.16:55
nothingspecialno one in ubuntu16:55
CavemanZipperTHe guide says to type a command as root user16:55
nothingspecialbut you can elevate your own use by prefacing your command with sudo16:55
Unit193So, sudo apt-get install rdesktop   but I like freerdp better. :P16:55
Unit193gksudo if running a graphical program.16:56
nothingspecial+116:56
CavemanZipperaah, alright,16:57
CavemanZipperWhat's the explaination behin "sudo"?16:57
CavemanZipperdoes it stand for something?16:57
nothingspecialhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo16:57
Unit193I like the psycocats ones...16:58
nothingspecialasiyu is awesome :)16:58
CavemanZipperoh i get it16:59
nothingspecialThat page I linked explains it pretty well though17:00
CavemanZipperso in a way, the sudo protects me from damaging the system irreperably?17:00
CavemanZipperlike User Account Control in Windows?17:00
nothingspecialyou can destroy your system with sudo CavemanZipper17:00
nothingspecialbut only if you choose to :)17:00
CavemanZipperwhoa, ok..any general tips how to avoid accidentally doing that?17:00
CavemanZipperor is it too intentional and complicated to be done accidentally?17:01
nothingspecialjust think about it anytime you put sudo,gksudo infront of something17:01
Unit193Just don't run things as root if you can avoid it.17:01
CavemanZipperits usually not necessary, right?17:02
nothingspecialno17:02
CavemanZippergreat17:02
Unit193Installing/uninstalling things will.17:02
CavemanZipperalright but...how easy is it to screw up?17:02
nothingspecialdepends what you do CavemanZipper17:02
CavemanZipperlike, will i blow it up if I type sudo and hit enter halfway through my entry?17:02
CavemanZipperlike,  sudo apt-get afsdjfioas17:03
nothingspecialdepends what half the entry was17:03
CavemanZipperwill random letters be bad? :317:03
nothingspecialyou don't really need sudo much17:03
nothingspecialupdating and installing have their own guis that do just that and don't let you damage your system17:04
* Unit193 hides his sudo -i17:04
CavemanZipperoh, so to install rdesktop,17:04
CavemanZipperI could actually just get to the website17:04
nothingspecialother than that, assuming everything works, you shouldn't ever need sudo17:04
CavemanZipperand download it through the GUI?17:04
nothingspecialis rdesktop in the software center?17:05
Unit193It's in the repo, yes.17:05
CavemanZipperhmm...i'm not sure..where is the software center? is it Ubuntu's iTunes?17:05
Unit193But, freerdp is a better rewrite, generally.17:05
nothingspecialsort of17:05
CavemanZipperwhen I install through the CLI,17:06
CavemanZipperlike i just did with the rdesktop,17:06
CavemanZipperwhere does the file end up?17:06
CavemanZipperIt just appeared to conclude itself17:07
nothingspecialthere will be a nuber of files CavemanZipper17:07
Unit193dpkg -L rdesktop  will say.17:07
nothingspecialthe apps binary will generally end up in /usr/bin17:07
CavemanZippernice17:07
nothingspecialbut it might be /bin17:07
CavemanZipperits in usr/share17:08
nothingspecialmay me /usr/local/bin17:08
CavemanZipperwhere exactly is..."usr"?17:08
nothingspecial /usr17:08
nothingspecialright at the start CavemanZipper17:09
nothingspecialclick "file system"17:09
CavemanZipperwhere can I locate it in the GUI17:09
CavemanZippergotcha17:09
nothingspecialdo not mess about in there :)17:09
CavemanZipperwill do!17:10
CavemanZipperor rather, won't do17:10
CavemanZipper:P17:10
nothingspeciallol17:10
CavemanZipperOk, what's the launching extension for Linux/Ubuntu?17:10
nothingspecial??17:10
CavemanZipperie. in windows its .exe17:10
nothingspeciallinux does not need an extension17:10
CavemanZipperso how do I launch this rdesktop I just downloaded?17:10
CavemanZipperIt's got like you said, tons of files..17:11
Unit193Just type  rdesktop   in any terminal.17:11
Unit193You can also use a GUI such as remmina, or vinagre (sp) with it.17:11
CavemanZipperare those "terminal emulators"?17:12
CavemanZipperOr are they better alternativs to rdesktop17:12
nothingspeciallinux is easy if you just stop thinking like windows :)17:12
Unit193http://www.freerdp.com/ You tell me. ;)17:13
Unit193!lwn17:13
ubot2Factoid 'lwn' not found17:13
Unit193!lnw17:13
ubot2Want to know the differences between Windows and Linux? This guide, called "Linux is Not Windows" is a pretty good read -- http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm17:13
CavemanZipperI am looking forward to "switching" :P17:13
Unit193\o/17:13
CavemanZipperGonna read it in a mo!17:13
nothingspecial\o/17:13
CavemanZipperAaaah, i see!17:14
CavemanZipperyknow, Linux is actually looking quite fun for me17:14
CavemanZipperQuick question..17:14
CavemanZipperI intend to do lots of writing (I run a blog)17:14
nothingspecialyou should already have vinagre installed17:14
CavemanZipperIm sure all OSes are practically equal as far as "Word" programs go17:14
CavemanZipperbut how does Linux fare as far as word-processing goes?17:15
nothingspecialtry pressing the super (windows) key and typing remote17:15
CavemanZipperOh, and what's that? is it a pre-requisite for freerdp?17:15
phillwCavemanZipper: depends on what you need?17:15
CavemanZipperi've got  Remmina17:15
nothingspecialdo you see "remote desktop viewer?17:15
CavemanZipperphillw, I just intend to do simple essay-writing stuff17:15
nothingspecial"17:15
CavemanZipperschool work, etc. :P17:16
Unit193I generally like remmina better, but word processors you have LibreOffice.17:16
CavemanZipperYes I think i do..lemme check again17:16
CavemanZipper"Desktop Sharing17:16
CavemanZipperRemmina Remote Desktop Client17:16
CavemanZipperIs LibreOffice good? Stable? comparable or better than Microsoft Word?17:16
nothingspecialdepends on how compatible you need it with ms word17:17
CavemanZipperhmm...not very much, actually.17:18
CavemanZipperJust text.17:18
CavemanZipperMaybe some fonts17:18
CavemanZippernothing fancy.17:18
CavemanZipperdang...how do I use Remmina? Any good guides?17:18
CavemanZipperI'll probably need it to remote connect to some computers at work17:18
CavemanZipperI have another laptop beside me now I intend to test the Remmina on.17:19
nothingspecialcan you use ssh?17:19
CavemanZipperReady n waiting!17:19
phillwssh -X will give you GUI access17:19
CavemanZipperno not really..17:19
CavemanZippernot at all..17:19
CavemanZipperno.17:19
CavemanZipper:317:19
nothingspecial:)17:20
CavemanZippercan you give me a short walk-trhough?17:20
CavemanZipperJust to get the basics done?17:20
nothingspecialI don't know remina, never used it17:20
msdaisy!ssh17:20
ubot2SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)17:20
Unit193I do, but it's generally just open and click and the like.17:21
msdaisy!remmina17:22
ubot2Factoid 'remmina' not found17:22
msdaisyfail17:22
CavemanZipperhahaha17:22
CavemanZipperso, Remmina is rather GUI based?17:22
Unit193Yep, if you want to just use freerdp, xfreerdp --help17:23
CavemanZipperWell..17:25
CavemanZipperof the 3,17:25
CavemanZipperrdesktop, freerdp, and REmmina,17:25
CavemanZipperwhich is best?17:25
Unit193!best17:26
CavemanZipperInstalling OpenSSH now btw17:26
ubot2Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.17:26
Unit193And remmina is just a gui for either freerdp or rdesktop.17:26
CavemanZipperAaah..17:26
CavemanZipperwell is there a sharp learning curve for working with rdesktop and freerdp?17:26
CavemanZipper!freerdp17:26
ubot2Factoid 'freerdp' not found17:26
Unit193I've already said what I personally use, but YMMV.  A little, but not really hard.17:27
CavemanZipperhmm17:28
CavemanZipperok gonna do some research on the 317:28
CavemanZipperOk anyone here familiar with how to use Remmina?17:33
Unit193Pretty much, but you have to actually ask the question. :P17:34
CavemanZipperhahahaha17:34
CavemanZipperokok, here's my question17:34
CavemanZipperIn other programs like TeamViewer, or just Remote Desktop Connection,17:35
CavemanZipperIt's very clean and easy.17:35
CavemanZipperBut though the option is available to me,17:35
CavemanZipperI want to work on using it on more and more command-based routes17:35
CavemanZipperthrough* more command-based routes.17:36
CavemanZipperKind of like..a practice.17:36
CavemanZipperSo how do I get the same stuff accomplished17:36
CavemanZipper??17:36
CavemanZipperLike in TeamViewer/RDC, I just need to know their I.P17:36
CavemanZippereven the GUI-based Remmina has stuff that's alien to me, like "Server"17:36
CavemanZipper"Domain"17:36
CavemanZipperand "Color Depth"17:37
CavemanZipperI mean, I understand all those things but only in different contexts which i'm not sure if they apply here. (ie. Domain = www.example.com)17:37
Unit193Use the tools without the launcher GUI, for example  xfreerdp --disable-wallpaper -z -u mike -p mypass 10.1.1.5017:38
Unit193http://manpages.ubuntu.com/xfreerdp17:38
CavemanZipperAh, okay17:39
CavemanZipperwhere can I learn how to write up a command line like that?17:40
CavemanZipperI have no idea what -z or -u refers to :P17:40
msdaisylook at the man page CavemanZipper , they will give you the commands and the options it takes.17:41
CavemanZippersorry, could you direct me?17:42
Unit193I just did.17:43
CavemanZipperoh MAN pag17:43
Unit193Type either xfreerdp --help    or man xfreerdp   (or follow the link above)_17:43
CavemanZipperI thought that was a type :P17:43
CavemanZippertypo*17:44
CavemanZipperHey, i'm gonna turn in for the night soon but there is one final thing I wanna ask u folks17:45
CavemanZipper:D17:45
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CavemanZipperIs there a standard rule for typing a command line?17:45
CavemanZipperI see many - things17:46
CavemanZipperdo i type them alphabetically?17:46
CavemanZipperWhat takes precedence?17:46
Unit193Don't have to, just don't use conflicting ones if there are any.,17:46
CavemanZipperso there doesn't need to be any order?17:47
Unit193Nope.17:47
CavemanZipperoh cool!17:47
CavemanZipperso that line you gave me17:48
CavemanZipperI just change the variables17:48
CavemanZipperlike the ip address,17:48
CavemanZipperand the command shld work?17:48
andrikushi, I posted a question on the formu, but I might get an answer here quicker: so her'e my question:20:25
andrikusI tried to remove the global menu bar with:  sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt20:26
andrikusI then got an error message: E: Unable to locate package appmenu-gtk320:26
andrikuswhat am I doing worng?20:26
beginnerI am a complete beginner and know nothing of coding. Make a long story short I typed this: "sudo rmmod -f iwlwifi" then this" "gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi-disable11n.conf" and now I have no wireless.20:28
Unit193As far as I know, the global menu is part of Unity, but I don't use it http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity20:29
andrikusthanks I'll have a look at it, see if that helps me solve my primary probem20:31
andrikusthe command I got from elsewhere in the internet, why did I get the error message?20:32
Unit193Could be if the package isn't installed, but I would guess it's installed by default.20:36
andrikusI then tried to install that package and got the same error message20:38
andrikus(I did sudo apt-get install appmenu-gtk3)20:39
Unit193ubot2: info appmenu-gtk320:39
ubot2Unit193: Package appmenu-gtk3 does not exist in maverick20:39
Unit193Bah, dumb maverick..... I have it in precise/12.0420:39
andrikusI did an upgrade to 12.0420:42
andrikusso, from what I understand is that  I now should have that package20:42
Unit193That's if you wanted the global menus..... If you want it removed, I'm *guessing* whatever you're looking at tells you to then just uninstall appmenu-gtk and appmenu-qt20:44
andrikusI think I installed two of the three packages. These two are the ones you descrbe, one gives an error message20:46
andrikusokay, I'll reboot and see if it solved my menu bar problem20:49
andrikus_so, back from reboot, my global menu bar is still there20:53
Unit193I was guessing it's part of Unity, but I suppose since nobody here right now knows you should try #ubuntu.20:54
andrikus_ank thanks for thinking with me20:54
andrikus_'ll ask the same wquetion there20:55
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