[00:00] <apachelogger> I told you to fix your muon, did I not? :P
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> it uses check-language-support now
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> but we still need to figure out what to do to transition from language-pack-* to whatever else the various packages that don't have l10n in kde-l10n
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> parsing error
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> retrying :P
[00:02] <apachelogger> lol
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> we have to figure out what to do to move from the current language-pack-* system to a system that uses kde-l10n, along with assorted -l10n packages for seeded apps that don't have l10n in kde-l10n
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> we'll have to update this probably: /usr/share/language-selector/data/pkg_depends
[00:04]  * apachelogger writes mail
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> check-language-support seems a bit broken in quantal: http://paste.kde.org/501644/
[00:09] <shadeslayer> whoot
[00:09] <shadeslayer> new council
[00:12] <yofel> \o/
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> ok, so as long as we add templates to /usr/share/language-selector/data/pkg_depends (in language-selector-common) for apps not using kde-l10n-*
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> and add those same packages to the seed for languages we want on the iso
[00:15] <apachelogger> intartubes y u so slo!
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> we should be good
[00:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: auto-injection I say
[00:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are you going to make the adjustments in LP for the election results?
[00:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: next week? membership only runs out on thursday
[00:52] <apachelogger> unless JontheEchidna throws in a +1 to end the extra time anyway
[00:53] <ScottK> That's only because we artificially exteneded it.
[00:55] <apachelogger> I know, we still extended it by vote, so we would have to end the extent by vote IMO
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it should matter unless we need to have a vote between now and thursday
[01:12] <ScottK> OK.
[01:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: You can still extend the terms of the people that were re-elected now and add the new person.
[01:13] <apachelogger> then people don't time out at the same time :P
[01:14] <apachelogger> motion to de-extend extended terms
[01:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: gimme a +1 each and we are good :P
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: +1
[01:15] <ScottK> +1
[01:15] <shadeslayer> does LXDE use metacity as well?
[01:16] <apachelogger> +1
[01:17] <apachelogger> I do not always mitm, but when I do I use ettercap
[01:18] <apachelogger> btw
[01:18] <apachelogger> ScottK, JontheEchidna: think we should align the expiration date back to 05-20?
[01:18] <apachelogger> that'd of course cut the terms 1 month short, but ...
[01:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  I think we should make it as of today.
[01:18] <ScottK> That way in two years we don't get nailed by not enough time after UDS again.
[01:19] <apachelogger> ^^
[01:19] <apachelogger> good point
[01:20] <ScottK> But I most particularly want you and JontheEchidna to decide since you aren't directly affected.
[01:20]  * apachelogger is so lazy he doesn't even do traffic shaping but sends packets on a round trip over wifi \\o/
[01:21] <apachelogger> doesn't help launchpad timing out on me of course
[01:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: speak up good sir
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> sorry, was afk
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: -1 on realign
[01:33] <ScottK> What do you mean?
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> do not put expiration back to 5-20, keep it at 6-16
[01:34] <apachelogger> 6-17
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> w/e :P
[01:34]  * apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a UTC watch :P
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> you people and your fancy timezones
[01:35] <apachelogger> well, UTC is actually not that fancy, it doesn't even have a summer version
[01:35] <apachelogger> totally lame IMO
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> when I was a youngin' we didn't have timezones, and we liked it!
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> it didn't matter that the sun was high in the sky, we went to sleep because it was 4:00 AM!
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> ok, I'll stop :P
[01:37]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[01:41] <apachelogger> now, what was it that I did before mitming -.-
[01:45] <apachelogger> so ...
[01:45] <apachelogger> liblastfm1 patchery seems to be coming to an end
[01:45] <apachelogger> amarok working and clementine working = yay
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> bug 1013626 is a mystery
[04:02] <micahg> congrats to jussi Riddell and ScottK
[04:02] <ScottK> micahg: Thanks.
[08:08] <bambee> hi, proposal for the current kde-workspace http://paste.kde.org/501764/  (it fixes a boring bug)
[08:36] <debfx> bambee: I take it you have verified the fix?
[08:41] <bambee> debfx: It has been pushed on upstream and I tested it on my laptop, it works
[08:49] <debfx> bambee: ok, uploaded. thanks!
[08:49] <bambee> yw ;)
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:16] <jussi> Afternoon all. Thanks micahg :) (and everyone else over the interwebs)
[15:00] <jussi> sigh :/
[15:00] <jussi> I wonder why they took away the configurability of the power/lock screen plasmoid, locking it to only suspend? 
[15:02] <jussi> oh never mind, I just didnt find the new one with the search :) 
[15:04] <debfx> there are two now?
[15:13] <jussi> debfx: seems that way
[15:13] <jussi> debfx: lock/logout and power button
[15:14] <jussi> If someone feels like improving them, having choosable Icons like lancelot has would be nice... (greyscale Icons please :D )
[15:39] <apachelogger> jussi: could you please ensure that you are op on whatever channels the council has op + remove neversfelde
[15:41] <jussi> apachelogger: sure
[17:07]  * shadeslayer needs testers for digikam
[17:07] <shadeslayer> anyone on quantal?
[17:11] <yofel> me
[17:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental < Could you test?
[17:13] <yofel> new calligra tar btw.
[17:14] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:14] <shadeslayer> sawn
[17:14] <shadeslayer> I'll get to that after digikam
[17:14] <shadeslayer> one thing at a time :D
[17:14] <yofel> sure, I'm more interested in digikam anyway :P
[17:14] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:15] <shadeslayer> unfourtunately ... my ISP can't provide me more bandwidth >.>
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Apparently my area isn't serviced by something called 'Metro Ethernet'
[17:16]  * yofel pulls kile as well
[17:17] <shadeslayer> heh, totally forgot about that
[17:17] <shadeslayer> someone needs to sponsor that
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell confirmed that it worked a long time ago
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: did the packageset expand to include these packages as well?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> kile/calligra/digikam etc
[17:19] <apachelogger> EHUNGRY
[17:19] <yofel> calligra is already in, I added digikam to supported but have no idea how the packageset is updated and kile isn't in there - currently has motu as maintainer
[17:20] <yofel> do we want to maintain kile? 
[17:20] <yofel> (probably yes, but I don't want to just go ahead and add it)
[17:20] <shadeslayer> well .. it's more of a "We keep a eye on packages like kile more closely than some other people and it would be a good idea to add it to the packageset so we can update/merge it more quickly"
[17:21] <yofel> +1
[17:21] <yofel> esp. as kile isn't syncable
[17:22] <shadeslayer> If I had upload rights for kile, I would have uploaded it a long time ago, but since I didn't, I forgot about it
[17:22] <shadeslayer> kile isn't syncable?
[17:22] <yofel> nope, remember the bug which needed pkgbinarymangler turned off?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> ahhh yeah
[17:25] <yofel> apachelogger: as you're ~there~, do you know how the packageset is updated? Automatically or by bothering cj/watson
[17:28] <apachelogger> yofel: how would that be automatic I wonder
[17:28] <yofel> dunno
[17:29] <shadeslayer> sigh, calligra, Y U NO USE xz
[17:29] <apachelogger> exactly :P
[17:29] <yofel> ok, thanks ^^
[17:29] <jussi> anyone about on precise with the kubuntu ppa active? 
[17:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: digikam works?
[17:29] <yofel> jussi: which one?
[17:29] <jussi> I just crashed plasma :D
[17:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: the parts I use yes, still testing though
[17:30] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:30] <jussi> yofel: beta
[17:32] <jussi> yofel: you could try otherwise also, right click the battery icon in the tray (need a laptop), then battery monitor settings, show remaining time for the battery, click apply - crash.
[17:32] <yofel> oh that
[17:32] <yofel> kde bug 302047
[17:33] <jussi> oh yay, Im not the first one
[17:33] <apachelogger> the trick is to remove your battery so the plasmoid does not show up
[17:34] <apachelogger> so apparently the launchpad is kaput
[17:34] <apachelogger> doesn't accept no dputs 
[17:34] <apachelogger> yofel: you wanted to make obs? :P
[17:35] <yofel> worked for me a few hours ago - just the publishing took 4h
[17:37] <apachelogger> 4h
[17:37] <apachelogger> good lawd
[17:37] <apachelogger> I will starve
[17:37] <apachelogger> noes!
[17:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: works fine
[17:39] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:39]  * apachelogger uploads shadeslayer so he can go to pending state for 4 hours
[17:39] <yofel> lol
[17:40] <shadeslayer> >.>
[17:40] <apachelogger> oh
[17:40] <apachelogger> actually
[17:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have the perfect bug for you to fix
[17:40] <shadeslayer> in pgst?
[17:40] <apachelogger> see #kde-multimedia for my ramblings 
[17:40] <apachelogger> you get to draw a diagram if you want
[17:40] <apachelogger> diagrams always help with threads
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ugh
[17:40] <shadeslayer> threads
[17:41] <bambee> kwin3_oxygen_appmenu.so has been removed ?
[17:42] <bambee> I mean, apparently it's no longer installed by kwin
[17:42] <shadeslayer> !find kwin3_oxygen_appmenu.so
[17:42] <apachelogger> it never was
[17:43] <apachelogger> that is a forkd source from kde-apps
[17:43] <bambee> it's still installed here and ksmshell4 kwindecoration crashes...
[17:43] <shadeslayer> bambee: you probably compiled it at some point in the past
[17:43] <shadeslayer> and then did a sudo make install
[17:43] <bambee> huh ? I NEVER install upstream package in /usr :)
[17:43] <bambee> so... I don't think so
[17:43] <shadeslayer> bambee: try a dpkg -S kwin3_oxygen_appmenu.so
[17:44] <bambee> (except phonon...)
[17:44] <bambee> good idea
[17:44] <bambee> kwin-style-oxygen-appmenu
[17:44] <shadeslayer> W: digikam source: ancient-standards-version 3.8.4 (current is 3.9.3) \o/
[17:45] <yofel> bambee: that's not even in the archive
[17:45] <bambee> :O
[17:45] <shadeslayer> lololol :P
[17:45] <jussi> OOOOOOO+++++++++++++++++++CQ
[17:46] <shadeslayer> bambee: now try apt-cache policy kwin-style-oxygen-appmenu
[17:46] <shadeslayer> jussi: dafuq is that
[17:46] <shadeslayer> brainfsck?
[17:46] <jussi> shadeslayer: it was Elodi - enjoying herself....
[17:46] <yofel> cjwatson: can you refresh our packageset? I added a few things from universe to our supported seed that we maintain and mostly just got put in universe because of build-depends
[17:46] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:46] <bambee> 4.7.2-0ubuntu1 and only found in /var/lib/dpkg/status  ---> WTF ?
[17:47] <yofel> maybe we added it and removed it before release
[17:47] <shadeslayer> jussi: elodi already on IRC ...  expect great things :P
[17:47] <bambee> probably..
[17:48] <jussi> shadeslayer: she will be brilliant - how was that sample of brainfuck? :D
[17:48] <shadeslayer> anyone seen the latest talk by linus? I like him even more after that talk
[17:48] <yofel> link?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> jussi: Who knows, she's probably testing out some new version of brainfuck
[17:49] <jussi> lol
[17:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: 
[17:49] <shadeslayer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA
[17:49] <shadeslayer> I've only watched 40 minutes of it though
[17:49] <shadeslayer> jussi: finish people are lucky in terms of getting visits from Linus :P
[17:50] <jussi> shadeslayer: given I live pretty close to him now, I should drop round his house sometime :P
[17:50] <yofel> yay, I have no hibernate option anymore \o/
[17:50] <jussi> (he does live in helsinki still?)
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Don't think so ... he moved to the US iirc
[17:50] <jussi> yofel: yeah :/
[17:51] <yofel> jussi: you can still turn it on if you want...
[17:51] <shadeslayer> I guess upstream decided we had too many options
[17:51] <jussi> yofel: I dont use it thankfully - I use the suspend to RAM a whole lot
[17:51] <yofel> same here
[17:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you add digikam to the packageset?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> or tell me how to request
[17:53]  * yofel just asked for that
[17:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:53] <yofel> unless there's some proper procedure other than pinging people on irc
[17:53] <shadeslayer> where didja ask?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> or rather, whom did you ask?
[17:53] <yofel> here? -7min
[17:53] <shadeslayer> ahh
[17:53] <shadeslayer> I thought some other channel as well
[17:54] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, reporting a bug is the proper way 
[17:54]  * debfx waits for someone to add /.*/ to supported ;)
[17:54] <apachelogger> roughly translates to not getting it done
[17:55] <yofel> aah
[17:56] <shadeslayer> yay .. we haven't sync'd digikam packaging
[17:56] <yofel> debfx: well, we could update the excludes IMO, not sure  what I'm supposed to do with permissions for dkms, lame or oss-compat...
[17:58] <debfx> yofel: I don't think you can exclude packages
[17:58] <shadeslayer> do you guys know anyone with whom I could talk to about the Mac ISO images?
[17:59] <yofel> I probably would start with skaet
[17:59] <shadeslayer> Foundations team right?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:59] <yofel> not sure what exactly s/he is responsible for though
[17:59] <jussi> skaet is the release manager no?
[18:00] <jussi> !gpgerr
[18:03] <lunchlogger> jussi: floodbot is very rude, he doesn't wanna talk to me
 lunchlogger, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: What is the letter of the alphabet immediately after A?
 FloodBot1: 66
[18:04]  * lunchlogger was expecting a discussion about whether 0x42 wouldn't be nicer
[18:04] <jussi> lol
[18:04] <shadeslayer> haha
[18:04] <yofel> lol
[18:04] <lunchlogger> oh yah, for everyone who does not get it ... A is 65 in decimal ascii :P
[18:05] <jussi> bah, after that battery crash I have a huge space in my tray :/
[18:05] <lunchlogger> and with that I am off to find something to eat
[18:05] <shadeslayer> lunchlogger: you're too l33t for FloodBot1
[18:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can I get a ec2 instance ?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> My VPS keeps falling short of memory :(
[19:11] <shadeslayer> ok .. one small issue, there seems to be a libkvkontakte-data.install in our packaging, what do I do about it?
[19:12] <shadeslayer> it only seems to be installing translations : usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/libkvkontakte.mo
[19:13] <shadeslayer> since we're now in universe, do I simply drop that ?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> ( seeing how we're going to use proper lang packs and not rosetta )
[19:14] <shadeslayer> s/proper/upstream/
[19:14] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "( seeing how we're going to use upstream lang packs and not rosetta )"
[19:14] <yofel> what's responsible for the brightness notification on the screen? plasma?
[19:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: if you drop that - you won't have translations at all I think
[19:14]  * yofel isn't a l10n expert though
[19:15] <shadeslayer> well this is all confusing then, shouldn't we have separate lang packages for each language then?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> also, that -data package doesn't exist anywhere in the control file
[19:16] <shadeslayer> the control file needs fix0ring
[19:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: fwiw I think in precise it didn't matter if we put the files in a install file or not
[19:19] <shadeslayer> pkg-kde-tools automgically figured out necessary l10n bits
[19:30] <shadeslayer> lunchlogger: ^ Advice on how to proceed?
[19:44] <lunchlogger> what?
 apachelogger, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: Type the number 6 in letters, not in digits
 FloodBot1: sei
[19:46] <apachelogger> jussi: why is it talking to me anyway?
[19:46] <apachelogger> I am only going to BS that bot anyway
[19:46] <apachelogger> I mean, look at its name
[19:49] <jussi> apachelogger: I dunno did you do something silly? 
[19:50] <apachelogger> jussi: well, it aint called SillyBot1 now is it :P
[19:50] <apachelogger> actually that would be a good name
[19:50] <apachelogger> listens for obvoiusly silly words and then prints random quotes that use them
[19:53] <jussi> apachelogger: go talk to ljl ;)
[19:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we have libkvkontakte-data.install that installs translations
[20:00] <shadeslayer> it's not there in the control files however, should I enable it?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> or is pkg-kde-tools going to take over translation stripping magic in universe?
[20:01] <yofel> changelog isn't clear there - maybe I dropped it when I re-enabled libkvkontakte
[20:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah, I think so too
[20:04]  * shadeslayer enables it for now
[20:04] <shadeslayer> Apparently I just won 1,000,000GBP
[20:04] <shadeslayer> No need to work for life \o/
[20:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we do not strip
[20:08] <apachelogger> if the translations are not packaged they are not there
[20:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: I've also uploaded calligra here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[20:51] <yofel> *blink* 113M tar o.O
[20:51] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[20:52] <shadeslayer> I'll request them to make xz tars
[20:54]  * shadeslayer wonders how much space that'll save
[20:55]  * yofel tries
[20:55] <shadeslayer> already on it ;)
[20:57] <shadeslayer> 90M     calligra_2.4.91a.orig.tar.xz
[20:57] <shadeslayer> shaved off 23 MB's .... not bad at all
[20:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you drop the marble patch? If yes please say so in the changelog
[20:58] <shadeslayer> uhh ... yeah ... sorry about that
[20:58] <shadeslayer> I'll fix it in the calligra bzr branch
[20:59] <CIA-45> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra] Philip Muškovac * 21 * debian/patches/kubuntu_01_arm_fixes.diff add missing patch from last upload
[21:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: looks fine otherwise, so if it builds ship it
[21:03] <shadeslayer> cool
[21:03] <shadeslayer> needs testing first though
[21:04] <shadeslayer> Pushed calligra packaging to bzr though
[21:06]  * shadeslayer is off to sleep
[21:06] <yofel> zZzZzzzz.... building kde-workspace is another good thing to make you sleepy -.-
[21:38] <cjwatson> yofel: sure, done
[21:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: need one?
[21:41] <yofel> cjwatson: thanks a lot :)