[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:23] <genii-around> Doing: sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-3.4.0-2* linux-image-3.4.0-2* linux-headers-3.4.0-3* linux-image-3.4.0-3*  for some reason also removes the current running kernel 3.4.0-5 as well as linux-image-extra-3.4.0-5-generic for some reason ( which had my ethernet drivers)
[11:24] <ikonia> genii-around: possibly as that kernel depends on them
[11:26] <genii-around> ikonia: But shouldn't it only remove stuff for the 3.4.0-2 and 3.4.0-3 kernels? I didn't use --purge
[11:26] <ikonia> genii-around: depends on the depend
[11:26] <genii-around> ( wanted to keep the current kernel and the just previous 0
[11:27] <genii-around> Hm
[11:27] <ikonia> genii-around: are there any other versions of the headers installed ?
[11:28] <genii-around> ikonia: Yes, I had headers and -image-extra for the current plus all the previous ones
[11:28] <ikonia> genii-around: so what's the current headers version that's installed
[11:29] <penguin42> right, time to take my main machine upto qq - I was holding off until I finished an android project in Eclipse; but since Eclipse just eat itself on pp I may as well
[11:31] <genii-around> ikonia: linux-headers-3.4.0-5-generic is installed.
[11:31] <ikonia> genii-around: sounds like a depend bug then
[13:02] <BluesKaj> ffmpeg , winff etc still have broken dependencies
[13:02]  * penguin42 really should have cleaned up this machine before kicking off the upgrade - it's got zillions of packages on it
[13:05] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Odd, not here
[13:05] <genii-around> Then again maybe it's still my old packages from 12.04 that are working and a clean install might not
[13:06] <BluesKaj> genii-around, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1045539/
[13:07] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Ah.. yes, same if i try to install ffmpeg over the one i already have
[13:10] <BluesKaj> ok genii-around , lemme do some checking
[13:16] <yofel> ffmpeg is only a transitional package anyway, replaced by libav
[13:16] <BluesKaj> genii-around, it looks like ffmpeg might convert within a container app like mplayer and vlc ..but it won't install on it's own
[13:16] <yofel> for me the libav*-extra-* stuff is missing so libav is held back
[13:17] <yofel> (libav-tools has an 'ffmpeg' command for compatibility reasons)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> yofel, so ffmpeg is going to be included in a generic sounding lib? :)
[13:17] <yofel> no, we don't ship 'ffmpeg' anymore, libav is a fork and the apps are in libav-tools
[13:18] <BluesKaj> oh , ok that's good to know
[13:19] <BluesKaj> yeah libav-tools won't inswtall either
[13:20] <BluesKaj> ok , guess I'll have to go back on 12.04 to convert some files
[13:21] <genii-around> Hm
[13:29] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I have 12.04 on a differnt HDD
[13:30] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yeah it's good to have a strategy for recovery when running the pre release stuff
[13:33] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah , since my other pc mobo died I added the HDD to this pc , rather than fooling with partitions...gotta keep an eye on grub tho
[13:35] <genii-around> Yes, that is one thing on my grub wishlist. That you could choose a primary boot OS which always has control of the mbr, the others do updates but don't mess with it
[13:35] <BluesKaj> exactly
[13:42] <BluesKaj> tried setting up fstab , on the 2 drives , but that just lead to total confusion when doing commands like df -h and fdisk -l
[13:45] <FernandoMiguel> with UEFI you no longer have that problem
[13:46] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, UEFI ?
[13:47] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: you will bypass grub
[13:47] <FernandoMiguel> and store each OS loader on UEFI
[13:47] <FernandoMiguel> even windows
[13:48] <BluesKaj> ok FernandoMiguel , looking
[13:48] <FernandoMiguel> assuming your board supports it
[13:48] <yofel> didn't Microsoft plan to get manufacturers to require signed blobs for EFI and block anything else from booting?
[13:48] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: that's tottaly unrelated
[13:49] <genii-around> Hm
[13:49] <yofel> k, haven't read into it much yet
[13:49] <FernandoMiguel> leet me get you a couple of artichels
[13:51] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12897.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12745.html  http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html
[13:52] <yofel> thanks
[13:53] <FernandoMiguel> they are all from the same guy, a RH guy too :)
[13:53] <FernandoMiguel> but pretty good source of details
[13:54] <penguin42> oh yeh his blog is a great source of pain and wonder of how boot processes work and go horribly wrong
[13:55] <genii-around> Looks like coreboot is doing some work in the UEFI area too
[13:55] <FernandoMiguel> genii-around: see my 2nd link :)
[13:55] <genii-around> Ah, cool.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> look like i won't be installing W8 on anything soon :)
[14:03] <BluesKaj> looks
[14:05] <penguin42> hmph - my update-manager window has disappeared
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> lulz
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> upgrades on the weekend :D
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> you don't love your system
[14:08] <penguin42> why?
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> never upgrade after Friday :D
[14:08] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I don't use my own machines during the working week, I can only break my work machines during that time....
[14:16] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: But why do you suggest that stuff breaks more on the weekends?
[14:17] <FernandoMiguel> cause everything gets commited before the weekend :)
[14:17] <FernandoMiguel> and only fixed on Monday
[14:18] <penguin42> ah yeh, that's a common problem in a lot of stuff - I think there is generally a feeling of if your simple test passed on friday morning then you commit and run away
[14:19] <BluesKaj> heh, some stuff doesn't seems to get any attn , no matter what day of the week
[14:20] <BluesKaj> been waiting for ffmpeg/libav fix for almost a week
[14:21] <penguin42> sometimes it's because the guy who is involved in it is away that week, or there is a nastier problem on the table
[14:21] <penguin42> right, main machine works in QQ - although it's missing the boot splash
[14:21] <BluesKaj> no doubt , but it's still annoying
[14:23] <penguin42> hmm, something is different about the KDE hmm - a bit darker background?
[14:35] <genii-around> penguin42: Odd, my screen also seemed darker after the latest updates
[14:37] <penguin42> gnome or kde?
[14:38] <genii-around> kde
[14:38] <genii-around> penguin42: 4.8.90
[14:39] <penguin42> same here
[14:40] <penguin42> genii-around: I can't quite figure out if it's intentional and whether it's just the background
[14:40] <genii-around> penguin42: I figured it was just my backlight or something
[14:40] <penguin42> genii-around: Do you get the lightbulb icons occasionally on the panel and when you click them do you get a sensible thing - for me I get  abig black band
[14:41] <genii-around> I don't seem to get those light bulbs
[14:41] <penguin42> hmm odd
[14:53] <jag> low graphics, no screen, graphics card input device detected
[14:54] <jag> hi
[14:54] <penguin42> jag: What graphics card do you have?
[14:55] <jag> thanks
[14:55] <jag> intel internal graphics media accel 3150
[14:55] <jag> i915 ..
[14:56] <penguin42> hmm, that shouldn't be a problem (I'm testing on Radeon)
[14:56] <jag> tried startx lightdm boots the system ..
[14:56] <jag> able to access full system... but network no...
[14:56] <penguin42> jag: Can you get to a plain terminal prompt?
[14:56] <jag> yes sure everything works..
[14:57] <jag> terminal gedit
[14:57] <jag> everything.. but no network....
[14:57] <penguin42> oh sorry, I thought you had problems not getting graphics up
[14:58] <jag> at boot... yes... boot into dev. mode and access as root... start lightdm... full interface exists..
[14:58] <penguin42> jag: OK, so what network card do you have, what does ifconfig -a show?
[14:58] <jag> i am on windows partition.... i have no network
[14:59] <penguin42> jag: Wired or wireless?
[14:59] <jag> wireless.. 3g stick...
[14:59] <penguin42> ah hmm, don't know much about those - they're a bit magical
[14:59]  * penguin42 always prefers to follow the cable to know where his packets are going
[15:01] <jag> i installed webmin...
[15:01] <genii-around> Gah webmin
[15:01] <jag> i guess which is not supported.. that messed up the install...
[15:01] <penguin42> jag: I think there is a thing called modemmanager which is the stuff that handles 3g modems
[15:01] <jag> yes..
[15:02] <jag> 12.04 modem manager supported on 12.10?
[15:02] <jag> i did upgrade but ... i guess it was partial...
[15:02] <penguin42> don't know - but it's probably better just to figure out what's going on in 12.10
[15:03] <jag> i tried deleting xorg.conf .... renaming xorf failsafe to xorg.cong.. no avail.
[15:03] <jag> no proper boot...
[15:03] <penguin42> jag: Does network manager show the interface? Does it show up in lsusb? Is there a modemmanager log?
[15:04] <jag> is there a manual way to detect graphics, screen and input device?
[15:04] <jag> may be some kind of entries in conf files to revive the install...
[15:04] <penguin42> jag: You shouldn't need to - can you take a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of lspci onto a usb stick and then get that to a pastebin from windows so we can see it?
[15:05] <jag> will you be online for long...
[15:05] <jag> ?
[15:05] <penguin42> yeh a few hours
[15:05] <jag> thanks... will catch u earliest..
[15:06] <jag> just enquisitive.. what config files control display, input device and screen
[15:06] <jag> ?
[15:06] <penguin42> jag: Well it should all be autodetected
[15:06] <penguin42> jag: So you shouldn't need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:07] <penguin42> (especially on intel chips)
[15:07] <jag> ok
[15:07] <penguin42> you can add one if you need it - but it's very rare
[15:07] <jag> i upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10
[15:07] <jag> did cleaning of old files from root
[15:08] <penguin42> maybe a bit too much cleaning?
[15:08] <jag> yes i guess you are absolutely right..
[15:08] <jag> is there a possibility of revival.
[15:08] <jag> ?
[15:09] <jag> any good links on internet or guide dealing with such issues will be great...
[15:09] <penguin42> you can almost always fix a Linux box if you know where to look
[15:10] <jag> yes... thats what i was trying to do?
[15:10] <jag> any good links on net..
[15:10] <penguin42> nod - the trick is to try and figure out what's going wrong first and that's really about looking at the log files
[15:10] <jag> var/log/
[15:10] <penguin42> nod
[15:11] <jag> where are the system boot configs maintained...?
[15:11] <penguin42> there are a lot of different ones; so things like /boot is the initial boot, there are lots of files in /etc for different things
[15:12] <genii-around> Some important ones in /etc/default/
[15:12] <jag> copying some imp. ones to main boot will help.?
[15:13] <penguin42> jag: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is good for display problems, stuff in /var/log/lightdm for starting the log in system
[15:13] <penguin42> jag: from where?
[15:13] <jag> what files control input devices.. screen... etc.
[15:14] <jag> ?
[15:14] <penguin42> jag: mostly the xorg - there is also evdev but it's rare
[15:14] <jag> reconfiguring xorg-xserver should help?
[15:15] <penguin42> no
[15:15] <penguin42> jag: Work from what the logs tell you
[15:15] <jag> ok...
[15:15] <jag> network manager shows not supported ?
[15:16] <jag> 12.04 to 12.10 no support from network manager?
[15:16] <penguin42> I think 12.10 still uses network manager
[15:16] <Daekdroom> The package might have been renamed.
[15:17] <jag> is there a way to enable compatibility?
[15:17] <penguin42> jag: No, stop guessing and lets see the logs!
[15:17] <jag> ok....thanks ... will get them..
[15:17] <jag> thanks....
[15:32] <penguin42> hmph - my eclipse is very broken
[15:57]  * penguin42 plays in /proc to see what's new
[15:59] <penguin42> wth is /proc/sys/net/token-ring still there
[16:09] <bazhang> !info linux
[16:53] <FernandoMiguel> have you gusy been following the Linus VS nvidia news?
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> I can't even link it here, since it has hars words
[16:54] <penguin42> I saw a link but hadn't followed it?
[16:55] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: see PM
[16:59] <penguin42> FM: That's just his normal mild mannered encouragement :-)
[17:47] <jag> hi penguin42
[17:48] <penguin42> hey
[17:48] <jag> hi i hve the log on pastebin http://pastebin.com/embed.php?i=hVf2BbmC
[17:49] <jag> can you check and suggest solution..
[17:49] <penguin42> yep, just give me a min
[17:50] <jag> thanks
[17:52] <penguin42> http://pastebin.com/hVf2BbmC is the right URL
[17:52] <jag> ya
[17:54] <penguin42> well, there are no errors - running at 1024x600 ?
[17:54] <jag> i guesss my old kernel is creating some problem...
[17:55] <jag> but the boot screen says running in low graphics mode your screen graphics and iput device settings could not be detected...
[17:56] <penguin42> why are you running with an old kernel?
[17:56] <jag> there are other logs also . xorg.1.log xorg1.log.old... any suggestions..
[17:57] <penguin42> they're just versions of the same thing - if that was your most recent then it should be the correct one
[17:57] <jag> most recent is xorg1.log
[17:58] <jag> uname -r says 3.4.0
[17:59] <penguin42> ok, that pastebin that
[17:59] <jag> any other wild guess what could be possibly wrong...
[18:00] <jag> is there a way to switch to new kernel?
[18:01] <penguin42> 3.4.0 is the new kernel
[18:01] <jag> i will paste all the logs not .old ones. back in 5 mins.
[18:01] <jag> thanks
[18:05] <penguin42> erm, if he reappears - I'll be back in 25min
[18:14] <jag> hi penguin42
[18:14] <jag> i have 4 logs.
[18:15] <TheLordOfTime> he's away for a bit
[18:15] <TheLordOfTime> he'll be back in about 15 minutes or so
[18:16] <jag> i will be back in 15 min ... thanks
[18:27]  * penguin42 burps apple crumble
[19:02] <jag> hi penguin42
[19:02] <penguin42> hi, better hurry - almost time to switch off here
[19:02] <jag> i just uploaded old log on http://pastebin.com/WAmtwj8L
[19:02] <jag> this might be the faulty one..
[19:03] <jag> i am booting into ctrl+alt+f2 to access root maintainence menu
[19:03] <jag> from there i am able to start lightdm and login as root...
[19:03] <jag> or normal user...
[19:03] <penguin42> jag: That's got an interesting set of faults; it's complaining about errors on fb ioctls - and the synaptics touchpad  - look for lines that start with EE
[19:04] <jag> what is the solution...
[19:04] <jag> fbdev.. not loading...
[19:05] <penguin42> jag: I've not seen that set of errors before - it seems like a disagreement between kernel and X server
[19:06] <jag> can i reconfigure x server with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --phigh
[19:06] <penguin42> you can if you like - it's unlikely to help
[19:07] <jag> what could be most likely cause and how to come out of it... can i restore my old kernel ... if yes how..?
[19:07] <penguin42> what do you mean by 'old kernel' ?
[19:07] <jag> precise kernel 12.04
[19:08] <penguin42> it should still be there unless you removed it, failing that you might try grabbing the .deb for the precise kernel from the ubuntu archive and just trying installing that deb
[19:09] <jag> can you suggest how to revive networking to use apt-get or archive
[19:09] <jag> ?
[19:09] <penguin42> no, you'll need to try and understand what's going on with your 3g modem - I've never used one
[19:09] <jag> ok
[19:10] <jag> what would you suggest with these set of xserver log is it worth reviving 3.4.0 or fallback to precise 12.04 kernel???
[19:11] <penguin42> it's worth trying the precise kernel
[19:12] <jag> thanks ... i have spent enough time on this... i would revert to old kernel..
[19:12] <jag> thanks for your assitance...
[19:12] <jag> best regards..
[19:12] <penguin42> np, time to go
[19:12] <jag> :)