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| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 10:44 |
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| genii-around | Doing: sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-3.4.0-2* linux-image-3.4.0-2* linux-headers-3.4.0-3* linux-image-3.4.0-3* for some reason also removes the current running kernel 3.4.0-5 as well as linux-image-extra-3.4.0-5-generic for some reason ( which had my ethernet drivers) | 11:23 |
| ikonia | genii-around: possibly as that kernel depends on them | 11:24 |
| genii-around | ikonia: But shouldn't it only remove stuff for the 3.4.0-2 and 3.4.0-3 kernels? I didn't use --purge | 11:26 |
| ikonia | genii-around: depends on the depend | 11:26 |
| genii-around | ( wanted to keep the current kernel and the just previous 0 | 11:26 |
| genii-around | Hm | 11:27 |
| ikonia | genii-around: are there any other versions of the headers installed ? | 11:27 |
| genii-around | ikonia: Yes, I had headers and -image-extra for the current plus all the previous ones | 11:28 |
| ikonia | genii-around: so what's the current headers version that's installed | 11:28 |
| penguin42 | right, time to take my main machine upto qq - I was holding off until I finished an android project in Eclipse; but since Eclipse just eat itself on pp I may as well | 11:29 |
| genii-around | ikonia: linux-headers-3.4.0-5-generic is installed. | 11:31 |
| ikonia | genii-around: sounds like a depend bug then | 11:31 |
| BluesKaj | ffmpeg , winff etc still have broken dependencies | 13:02 |
| * penguin42 really should have cleaned up this machine before kicking off the upgrade - it's got zillions of packages on it | 13:02 | |
| genii-around | BluesKaj: Odd, not here | 13:05 |
| genii-around | Then again maybe it's still my old packages from 12.04 that are working and a clean install might not | 13:05 |
| BluesKaj | genii-around, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1045539/ | 13:06 |
| genii-around | BluesKaj: Ah.. yes, same if i try to install ffmpeg over the one i already have | 13:07 |
| BluesKaj | ok genii-around , lemme do some checking | 13:10 |
| yofel | ffmpeg is only a transitional package anyway, replaced by libav | 13:16 |
| BluesKaj | genii-around, it looks like ffmpeg might convert within a container app like mplayer and vlc ..but it won't install on it's own | 13:16 |
| yofel | for me the libav*-extra-* stuff is missing so libav is held back | 13:16 |
| yofel | (libav-tools has an 'ffmpeg' command for compatibility reasons) | 13:17 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, so ffmpeg is going to be included in a generic sounding lib? :) | 13:17 |
| yofel | no, we don't ship 'ffmpeg' anymore, libav is a fork and the apps are in libav-tools | 13:17 |
| BluesKaj | oh , ok that's good to know | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | yeah libav-tools won't inswtall either | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | ok , guess I'll have to go back on 12.04 to convert some files | 13:20 |
| genii-around | Hm | 13:21 |
| BluesKaj | genii-around, I have 12.04 on a differnt HDD | 13:29 |
| genii-around | BluesKaj: Yeah it's good to have a strategy for recovery when running the pre release stuff | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | genii-around, yeah , since my other pc mobo died I added the HDD to this pc , rather than fooling with partitions...gotta keep an eye on grub tho | 13:33 |
| genii-around | Yes, that is one thing on my grub wishlist. That you could choose a primary boot OS which always has control of the mbr, the others do updates but don't mess with it | 13:35 |
| BluesKaj | exactly | 13:35 |
| BluesKaj | tried setting up fstab , on the 2 drives , but that just lead to total confusion when doing commands like df -h and fdisk -l | 13:42 |
| FernandoMiguel | with UEFI you no longer have that problem | 13:45 |
| BluesKaj | FernandoMiguel, UEFI ? | 13:46 |
| FernandoMiguel | BluesKaj: you will bypass grub | 13:47 |
| FernandoMiguel | and store each OS loader on UEFI | 13:47 |
| FernandoMiguel | even windows | 13:47 |
| BluesKaj | ok FernandoMiguel , looking | 13:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | assuming your board supports it | 13:48 |
| yofel | didn't Microsoft plan to get manufacturers to require signed blobs for EFI and block anything else from booting? | 13:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | yofel: that's tottaly unrelated | 13:48 |
| genii-around | Hm | 13:49 |
| yofel | k, haven't read into it much yet | 13:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | leet me get you a couple of artichels | 13:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | yofel: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12897.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12745.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html | 13:51 |
| yofel | thanks | 13:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | they are all from the same guy, a RH guy too :) | 13:53 |
| FernandoMiguel | but pretty good source of details | 13:53 |
| penguin42 | oh yeh his blog is a great source of pain and wonder of how boot processes work and go horribly wrong | 13:54 |
| genii-around | Looks like coreboot is doing some work in the UEFI area too | 13:55 |
| FernandoMiguel | genii-around: see my 2nd link :) | 13:55 |
| genii-around | Ah, cool. | 13:55 |
| BluesKaj | look like i won't be installing W8 on anything soon :) | 14:02 |
| BluesKaj | looks | 14:03 |
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| penguin42 | hmph - my update-manager window has disappeared | 14:05 |
| FernandoMiguel | lulz | 14:08 |
| FernandoMiguel | upgrades on the weekend :D | 14:08 |
| FernandoMiguel | you don't love your system | 14:08 |
| penguin42 | why? | 14:08 |
| FernandoMiguel | never upgrade after Friday :D | 14:08 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: I don't use my own machines during the working week, I can only break my work machines during that time.... | 14:08 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: But why do you suggest that stuff breaks more on the weekends? | 14:16 |
| FernandoMiguel | cause everything gets commited before the weekend :) | 14:17 |
| FernandoMiguel | and only fixed on Monday | 14:17 |
| penguin42 | ah yeh, that's a common problem in a lot of stuff - I think there is generally a feeling of if your simple test passed on friday morning then you commit and run away | 14:18 |
| BluesKaj | heh, some stuff doesn't seems to get any attn , no matter what day of the week | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj | been waiting for ffmpeg/libav fix for almost a week | 14:20 |
| penguin42 | sometimes it's because the guy who is involved in it is away that week, or there is a nastier problem on the table | 14:21 |
| penguin42 | right, main machine works in QQ - although it's missing the boot splash | 14:21 |
| BluesKaj | no doubt , but it's still annoying | 14:21 |
| penguin42 | hmm, something is different about the KDE hmm - a bit darker background? | 14:23 |
| genii-around | penguin42: Odd, my screen also seemed darker after the latest updates | 14:35 |
| penguin42 | gnome or kde? | 14:37 |
| genii-around | kde | 14:38 |
| genii-around | penguin42: 4.8.90 | 14:38 |
| penguin42 | same here | 14:39 |
| penguin42 | genii-around: I can't quite figure out if it's intentional and whether it's just the background | 14:40 |
| genii-around | penguin42: I figured it was just my backlight or something | 14:40 |
| penguin42 | genii-around: Do you get the lightbulb icons occasionally on the panel and when you click them do you get a sensible thing - for me I get abig black band | 14:40 |
| genii-around | I don't seem to get those light bulbs | 14:41 |
| penguin42 | hmm odd | 14:41 |
| jag | low graphics, no screen, graphics card input device detected | 14:53 |
| jag | hi | 14:54 |
| penguin42 | jag: What graphics card do you have? | 14:54 |
| jag | thanks | 14:55 |
| jag | intel internal graphics media accel 3150 | 14:55 |
| jag | i915 .. | 14:55 |
| penguin42 | hmm, that shouldn't be a problem (I'm testing on Radeon) | 14:56 |
| jag | tried startx lightdm boots the system .. | 14:56 |
| jag | able to access full system... but network no... | 14:56 |
| penguin42 | jag: Can you get to a plain terminal prompt? | 14:56 |
| jag | yes sure everything works.. | 14:56 |
| jag | terminal gedit | 14:57 |
| jag | everything.. but no network.... | 14:57 |
| penguin42 | oh sorry, I thought you had problems not getting graphics up | 14:57 |
| jag | at boot... yes... boot into dev. mode and access as root... start lightdm... full interface exists.. | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | jag: OK, so what network card do you have, what does ifconfig -a show? | 14:58 |
| jag | i am on windows partition.... i have no network | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | jag: Wired or wireless? | 14:59 |
| jag | wireless.. 3g stick... | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | ah hmm, don't know much about those - they're a bit magical | 14:59 |
| * penguin42 always prefers to follow the cable to know where his packets are going | 14:59 | |
| jag | i installed webmin... | 15:01 |
| genii-around | Gah webmin | 15:01 |
| jag | i guess which is not supported.. that messed up the install... | 15:01 |
| penguin42 | jag: I think there is a thing called modemmanager which is the stuff that handles 3g modems | 15:01 |
| jag | yes.. | 15:01 |
| jag | 12.04 modem manager supported on 12.10? | 15:02 |
| jag | i did upgrade but ... i guess it was partial... | 15:02 |
| penguin42 | don't know - but it's probably better just to figure out what's going on in 12.10 | 15:02 |
| jag | i tried deleting xorg.conf .... renaming xorf failsafe to xorg.cong.. no avail. | 15:03 |
| jag | no proper boot... | 15:03 |
| penguin42 | jag: Does network manager show the interface? Does it show up in lsusb? Is there a modemmanager log? | 15:03 |
| jag | is there a manual way to detect graphics, screen and input device? | 15:04 |
| jag | may be some kind of entries in conf files to revive the install... | 15:04 |
| penguin42 | jag: You shouldn't need to - can you take a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of lspci onto a usb stick and then get that to a pastebin from windows so we can see it? | 15:04 |
| jag | will you be online for long... | 15:05 |
| jag | ? | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | yeh a few hours | 15:05 |
| jag | thanks... will catch u earliest.. | 15:05 |
| jag | just enquisitive.. what config files control display, input device and screen | 15:06 |
| jag | ? | 15:06 |
| penguin42 | jag: Well it should all be autodetected | 15:06 |
| penguin42 | jag: So you shouldn't need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 15:06 |
| penguin42 | (especially on intel chips) | 15:07 |
| jag | ok | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | you can add one if you need it - but it's very rare | 15:07 |
| jag | i upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 | 15:07 |
| jag | did cleaning of old files from root | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | maybe a bit too much cleaning? | 15:08 |
| jag | yes i guess you are absolutely right.. | 15:08 |
| jag | is there a possibility of revival. | 15:08 |
| jag | ? | 15:08 |
| jag | any good links on internet or guide dealing with such issues will be great... | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | you can almost always fix a Linux box if you know where to look | 15:09 |
| jag | yes... thats what i was trying to do? | 15:10 |
| jag | any good links on net.. | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | nod - the trick is to try and figure out what's going wrong first and that's really about looking at the log files | 15:10 |
| jag | var/log/ | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | nod | 15:10 |
| jag | where are the system boot configs maintained...? | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | there are a lot of different ones; so things like /boot is the initial boot, there are lots of files in /etc for different things | 15:11 |
| genii-around | Some important ones in /etc/default/ | 15:12 |
| jag | copying some imp. ones to main boot will help.? | 15:12 |
| penguin42 | jag: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is good for display problems, stuff in /var/log/lightdm for starting the log in system | 15:13 |
| penguin42 | jag: from where? | 15:13 |
| jag | what files control input devices.. screen... etc. | 15:13 |
| jag | ? | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | jag: mostly the xorg - there is also evdev but it's rare | 15:14 |
| jag | reconfiguring xorg-xserver should help? | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | no | 15:15 |
| penguin42 | jag: Work from what the logs tell you | 15:15 |
| jag | ok... | 15:15 |
| jag | network manager shows not supported ? | 15:15 |
| jag | 12.04 to 12.10 no support from network manager? | 15:16 |
| penguin42 | I think 12.10 still uses network manager | 15:16 |
| Daekdroom | The package might have been renamed. | 15:16 |
| jag | is there a way to enable compatibility? | 15:17 |
| penguin42 | jag: No, stop guessing and lets see the logs! | 15:17 |
| jag | ok....thanks ... will get them.. | 15:17 |
| jag | thanks.... | 15:17 |
| penguin42 | hmph - my eclipse is very broken | 15:32 |
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| * penguin42 plays in /proc to see what's new | 15:57 | |
| penguin42 | wth is /proc/sys/net/token-ring still there | 15:59 |
| bazhang | !info linux | 16:09 |
| ubottu | linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.0.24.26 (precise), package size 1 kB, installed size 31 kB | 16:09 |
| FernandoMiguel | have you gusy been following the Linus VS nvidia news? | 16:53 |
| FernandoMiguel | I can't even link it here, since it has hars words | 16:54 |
| penguin42 | I saw a link but hadn't followed it? | 16:54 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: see PM | 16:55 |
| penguin42 | FM: That's just his normal mild mannered encouragement :-) | 16:59 |
| jag | hi penguin42 | 17:47 |
| penguin42 | hey | 17:48 |
| jag | hi i hve the log on pastebin http://pastebin.com/embed.php?i=hVf2BbmC | 17:48 |
| jag | can you check and suggest solution.. | 17:49 |
| penguin42 | yep, just give me a min | 17:49 |
| jag | thanks | 17:50 |
| penguin42 | http://pastebin.com/hVf2BbmC is the right URL | 17:52 |
| jag | ya | 17:52 |
| penguin42 | well, there are no errors - running at 1024x600 ? | 17:54 |
| jag | i guesss my old kernel is creating some problem... | 17:54 |
| jag | but the boot screen says running in low graphics mode your screen graphics and iput device settings could not be detected... | 17:55 |
| penguin42 | why are you running with an old kernel? | 17:56 |
| jag | there are other logs also . xorg.1.log xorg1.log.old... any suggestions.. | 17:56 |
| penguin42 | they're just versions of the same thing - if that was your most recent then it should be the correct one | 17:57 |
| jag | most recent is xorg1.log | 17:57 |
| jag | uname -r says 3.4.0 | 17:58 |
| penguin42 | ok, that pastebin that | 17:59 |
| jag | any other wild guess what could be possibly wrong... | 17:59 |
| jag | is there a way to switch to new kernel? | 18:00 |
| penguin42 | 3.4.0 is the new kernel | 18:01 |
| jag | i will paste all the logs not .old ones. back in 5 mins. | 18:01 |
| jag | thanks | 18:01 |
| penguin42 | erm, if he reappears - I'll be back in 25min | 18:05 |
| jag | hi penguin42 | 18:14 |
| jag | i have 4 logs. | 18:14 |
| TheLordOfTime | he's away for a bit | 18:15 |
| TheLordOfTime | he'll be back in about 15 minutes or so | 18:15 |
| jag | i will be back in 15 min ... thanks | 18:16 |
| * penguin42 burps apple crumble | 18:27 | |
| jag | hi penguin42 | 19:02 |
| penguin42 | hi, better hurry - almost time to switch off here | 19:02 |
| jag | i just uploaded old log on http://pastebin.com/WAmtwj8L | 19:02 |
| jag | this might be the faulty one.. | 19:02 |
| jag | i am booting into ctrl+alt+f2 to access root maintainence menu | 19:03 |
| jag | from there i am able to start lightdm and login as root... | 19:03 |
| jag | or normal user... | 19:03 |
| penguin42 | jag: That's got an interesting set of faults; it's complaining about errors on fb ioctls - and the synaptics touchpad - look for lines that start with EE | 19:03 |
| jag | what is the solution... | 19:04 |
| jag | fbdev.. not loading... | 19:04 |
| penguin42 | jag: I've not seen that set of errors before - it seems like a disagreement between kernel and X server | 19:05 |
| jag | can i reconfigure x server with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --phigh | 19:06 |
| penguin42 | you can if you like - it's unlikely to help | 19:06 |
| jag | what could be most likely cause and how to come out of it... can i restore my old kernel ... if yes how..? | 19:07 |
| penguin42 | what do you mean by 'old kernel' ? | 19:07 |
| jag | precise kernel 12.04 | 19:07 |
| penguin42 | it should still be there unless you removed it, failing that you might try grabbing the .deb for the precise kernel from the ubuntu archive and just trying installing that deb | 19:08 |
| jag | can you suggest how to revive networking to use apt-get or archive | 19:09 |
| jag | ? | 19:09 |
| penguin42 | no, you'll need to try and understand what's going on with your 3g modem - I've never used one | 19:09 |
| jag | ok | 19:09 |
| jag | what would you suggest with these set of xserver log is it worth reviving 3.4.0 or fallback to precise 12.04 kernel??? | 19:10 |
| penguin42 | it's worth trying the precise kernel | 19:11 |
| jag | thanks ... i have spent enough time on this... i would revert to old kernel.. | 19:12 |
| jag | thanks for your assitance... | 19:12 |
| jag | best regards.. | 19:12 |
| penguin42 | np, time to go | 19:12 |
| jag | :) | 19:12 |
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