=== chu_ is now known as chu === samsul is now known as kacung === EyesIsMine is now known as EyesIsOther [10:44] Hiyas all [11:23] Doing: sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-3.4.0-2* linux-image-3.4.0-2* linux-headers-3.4.0-3* linux-image-3.4.0-3* for some reason also removes the current running kernel 3.4.0-5 as well as linux-image-extra-3.4.0-5-generic for some reason ( which had my ethernet drivers) [11:24] genii-around: possibly as that kernel depends on them [11:26] ikonia: But shouldn't it only remove stuff for the 3.4.0-2 and 3.4.0-3 kernels? I didn't use --purge [11:26] genii-around: depends on the depend [11:26] ( wanted to keep the current kernel and the just previous 0 [11:27] Hm [11:27] genii-around: are there any other versions of the headers installed ? [11:28] ikonia: Yes, I had headers and -image-extra for the current plus all the previous ones [11:28] genii-around: so what's the current headers version that's installed [11:29] right, time to take my main machine upto qq - I was holding off until I finished an android project in Eclipse; but since Eclipse just eat itself on pp I may as well [11:31] ikonia: linux-headers-3.4.0-5-generic is installed. [11:31] genii-around: sounds like a depend bug then [13:02] ffmpeg , winff etc still have broken dependencies [13:02] * penguin42 really should have cleaned up this machine before kicking off the upgrade - it's got zillions of packages on it [13:05] BluesKaj: Odd, not here [13:05] Then again maybe it's still my old packages from 12.04 that are working and a clean install might not [13:06] genii-around, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1045539/ [13:07] BluesKaj: Ah.. yes, same if i try to install ffmpeg over the one i already have [13:10] ok genii-around , lemme do some checking [13:16] ffmpeg is only a transitional package anyway, replaced by libav [13:16] genii-around, it looks like ffmpeg might convert within a container app like mplayer and vlc ..but it won't install on it's own [13:16] for me the libav*-extra-* stuff is missing so libav is held back [13:17] (libav-tools has an 'ffmpeg' command for compatibility reasons) [13:17] yofel, so ffmpeg is going to be included in a generic sounding lib? :) [13:17] no, we don't ship 'ffmpeg' anymore, libav is a fork and the apps are in libav-tools [13:18] oh , ok that's good to know [13:19] yeah libav-tools won't inswtall either [13:20] ok , guess I'll have to go back on 12.04 to convert some files [13:21] Hm [13:29] genii-around, I have 12.04 on a differnt HDD [13:30] BluesKaj: Yeah it's good to have a strategy for recovery when running the pre release stuff [13:33] genii-around, yeah , since my other pc mobo died I added the HDD to this pc , rather than fooling with partitions...gotta keep an eye on grub tho [13:35] Yes, that is one thing on my grub wishlist. That you could choose a primary boot OS which always has control of the mbr, the others do updates but don't mess with it [13:35] exactly [13:42] tried setting up fstab , on the 2 drives , but that just lead to total confusion when doing commands like df -h and fdisk -l [13:45] with UEFI you no longer have that problem [13:46] FernandoMiguel, UEFI ? [13:47] BluesKaj: you will bypass grub [13:47] and store each OS loader on UEFI [13:47] even windows [13:48] ok FernandoMiguel , looking [13:48] assuming your board supports it [13:48] didn't Microsoft plan to get manufacturers to require signed blobs for EFI and block anything else from booting? [13:48] yofel: that's tottaly unrelated [13:49] Hm [13:49] k, haven't read into it much yet [13:49] leet me get you a couple of artichels [13:51] yofel: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12897.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12745.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html [13:52] thanks [13:53] they are all from the same guy, a RH guy too :) [13:53] but pretty good source of details [13:54] oh yeh his blog is a great source of pain and wonder of how boot processes work and go horribly wrong [13:55] Looks like coreboot is doing some work in the UEFI area too [13:55] genii-around: see my 2nd link :) [13:55] Ah, cool. [14:02] look like i won't be installing W8 on anything soon :) [14:03] looks === jack is now known as Guest48161 [14:05] hmph - my update-manager window has disappeared [14:08] lulz [14:08] upgrades on the weekend :D [14:08] you don't love your system [14:08] why? [14:08] never upgrade after Friday :D [14:08] FernandoMiguel: I don't use my own machines during the working week, I can only break my work machines during that time.... [14:16] FernandoMiguel: But why do you suggest that stuff breaks more on the weekends? [14:17] cause everything gets commited before the weekend :) [14:17] and only fixed on Monday [14:18] ah yeh, that's a common problem in a lot of stuff - I think there is generally a feeling of if your simple test passed on friday morning then you commit and run away [14:19] heh, some stuff doesn't seems to get any attn , no matter what day of the week [14:20] been waiting for ffmpeg/libav fix for almost a week [14:21] sometimes it's because the guy who is involved in it is away that week, or there is a nastier problem on the table [14:21] right, main machine works in QQ - although it's missing the boot splash [14:21] no doubt , but it's still annoying [14:23] hmm, something is different about the KDE hmm - a bit darker background? [14:35] penguin42: Odd, my screen also seemed darker after the latest updates [14:37] gnome or kde? [14:38] kde [14:38] penguin42: 4.8.90 [14:39] same here [14:40] genii-around: I can't quite figure out if it's intentional and whether it's just the background [14:40] penguin42: I figured it was just my backlight or something [14:40] genii-around: Do you get the lightbulb icons occasionally on the panel and when you click them do you get a sensible thing - for me I get abig black band [14:41] I don't seem to get those light bulbs [14:41] hmm odd [14:53] low graphics, no screen, graphics card input device detected [14:54] hi [14:54] jag: What graphics card do you have? [14:55] thanks [14:55] intel internal graphics media accel 3150 [14:55] i915 .. [14:56] hmm, that shouldn't be a problem (I'm testing on Radeon) [14:56] tried startx lightdm boots the system .. [14:56] able to access full system... but network no... [14:56] jag: Can you get to a plain terminal prompt? [14:56] yes sure everything works.. [14:57] terminal gedit [14:57] everything.. but no network.... [14:57] oh sorry, I thought you had problems not getting graphics up [14:58] at boot... yes... boot into dev. mode and access as root... start lightdm... full interface exists.. [14:58] jag: OK, so what network card do you have, what does ifconfig -a show? [14:58] i am on windows partition.... i have no network [14:59] jag: Wired or wireless? [14:59] wireless.. 3g stick... [14:59] ah hmm, don't know much about those - they're a bit magical [14:59] * penguin42 always prefers to follow the cable to know where his packets are going [15:01] i installed webmin... [15:01] Gah webmin [15:01] i guess which is not supported.. that messed up the install... [15:01] jag: I think there is a thing called modemmanager which is the stuff that handles 3g modems [15:01] yes.. [15:02] 12.04 modem manager supported on 12.10? [15:02] i did upgrade but ... i guess it was partial... [15:02] don't know - but it's probably better just to figure out what's going on in 12.10 [15:03] i tried deleting xorg.conf .... renaming xorf failsafe to xorg.cong.. no avail. [15:03] no proper boot... [15:03] jag: Does network manager show the interface? Does it show up in lsusb? Is there a modemmanager log? [15:04] is there a manual way to detect graphics, screen and input device? [15:04] may be some kind of entries in conf files to revive the install... [15:04] jag: You shouldn't need to - can you take a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of lspci onto a usb stick and then get that to a pastebin from windows so we can see it? [15:05] will you be online for long... [15:05] ? [15:05] yeh a few hours [15:05] thanks... will catch u earliest.. [15:06] just enquisitive.. what config files control display, input device and screen [15:06] ? [15:06] jag: Well it should all be autodetected [15:06] jag: So you shouldn't need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf [15:07] (especially on intel chips) [15:07] ok [15:07] you can add one if you need it - but it's very rare [15:07] i upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 [15:07] did cleaning of old files from root [15:08] maybe a bit too much cleaning? [15:08] yes i guess you are absolutely right.. [15:08] is there a possibility of revival. [15:08] ? [15:09] any good links on internet or guide dealing with such issues will be great... [15:09] you can almost always fix a Linux box if you know where to look [15:10] yes... thats what i was trying to do? [15:10] any good links on net.. [15:10] nod - the trick is to try and figure out what's going wrong first and that's really about looking at the log files [15:10] var/log/ [15:10] nod [15:11] where are the system boot configs maintained...? [15:11] there are a lot of different ones; so things like /boot is the initial boot, there are lots of files in /etc for different things [15:12] Some important ones in /etc/default/ [15:12] copying some imp. ones to main boot will help.? [15:13] jag: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is good for display problems, stuff in /var/log/lightdm for starting the log in system [15:13] jag: from where? [15:13] what files control input devices.. screen... etc. [15:14] ? [15:14] jag: mostly the xorg - there is also evdev but it's rare [15:14] reconfiguring xorg-xserver should help? [15:15] no [15:15] jag: Work from what the logs tell you [15:15] ok... [15:15] network manager shows not supported ? [15:16] 12.04 to 12.10 no support from network manager? [15:16] I think 12.10 still uses network manager [15:16] The package might have been renamed. [15:17] is there a way to enable compatibility? [15:17] jag: No, stop guessing and lets see the logs! [15:17] ok....thanks ... will get them.. [15:17] thanks.... [15:32] hmph - my eclipse is very broken === RonaldH is now known as Ronald [15:57] * penguin42 plays in /proc to see what's new [15:59] wth is /proc/sys/net/token-ring still there [16:09] !info linux [16:09] linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.0.24.26 (precise), package size 1 kB, installed size 31 kB [16:53] have you gusy been following the Linus VS nvidia news? [16:54] I can't even link it here, since it has hars words [16:54] I saw a link but hadn't followed it? [16:55] penguin42: see PM [16:59] FM: That's just his normal mild mannered encouragement :-) [17:47] hi penguin42 [17:48] hey [17:48] hi i hve the log on pastebin http://pastebin.com/embed.php?i=hVf2BbmC [17:49] can you check and suggest solution.. [17:49] yep, just give me a min [17:50] thanks [17:52] http://pastebin.com/hVf2BbmC is the right URL [17:52] ya [17:54] well, there are no errors - running at 1024x600 ? [17:54] i guesss my old kernel is creating some problem... [17:55] but the boot screen says running in low graphics mode your screen graphics and iput device settings could not be detected... [17:56] why are you running with an old kernel? [17:56] there are other logs also . xorg.1.log xorg1.log.old... any suggestions.. [17:57] they're just versions of the same thing - if that was your most recent then it should be the correct one [17:57] most recent is xorg1.log [17:58] uname -r says 3.4.0 [17:59] ok, that pastebin that [17:59] any other wild guess what could be possibly wrong... [18:00] is there a way to switch to new kernel? [18:01] 3.4.0 is the new kernel [18:01] i will paste all the logs not .old ones. back in 5 mins. [18:01] thanks [18:05] erm, if he reappears - I'll be back in 25min [18:14] hi penguin42 [18:14] i have 4 logs. [18:15] he's away for a bit [18:15] he'll be back in about 15 minutes or so [18:16] i will be back in 15 min ... thanks [18:27] * penguin42 burps apple crumble [19:02] hi penguin42 [19:02] hi, better hurry - almost time to switch off here [19:02] i just uploaded old log on http://pastebin.com/WAmtwj8L [19:02] this might be the faulty one.. [19:03] i am booting into ctrl+alt+f2 to access root maintainence menu [19:03] from there i am able to start lightdm and login as root... [19:03] or normal user... [19:03] jag: That's got an interesting set of faults; it's complaining about errors on fb ioctls - and the synaptics touchpad - look for lines that start with EE [19:04] what is the solution... [19:04] fbdev.. not loading... [19:05] jag: I've not seen that set of errors before - it seems like a disagreement between kernel and X server [19:06] can i reconfigure x server with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --phigh [19:06] you can if you like - it's unlikely to help [19:07] what could be most likely cause and how to come out of it... can i restore my old kernel ... if yes how..? [19:07] what do you mean by 'old kernel' ? [19:07] precise kernel 12.04 [19:08] it should still be there unless you removed it, failing that you might try grabbing the .deb for the precise kernel from the ubuntu archive and just trying installing that deb [19:09] can you suggest how to revive networking to use apt-get or archive [19:09] ? [19:09] no, you'll need to try and understand what's going on with your 3g modem - I've never used one [19:09] ok [19:10] what would you suggest with these set of xserver log is it worth reviving 3.4.0 or fallback to precise 12.04 kernel??? [19:11] it's worth trying the precise kernel [19:12] thanks ... i have spent enough time on this... i would revert to old kernel.. [19:12] thanks for your assitance... [19:12] best regards.. [19:12] np, time to go [19:12] :) === chu_ is now known as chu