[01:17] <clicker4721> If I come here asking for help with Glade, do I get shunned?
[01:18] <clicker4721> Or just ignored?
[01:19] <chu> It's not a particular active channel at this time.
[01:20] <clicker4721> When does it liven up?
[01:21] <chu> I don't think I have ever really seen it too lively.
[01:22] <chu> Just occaisonally a few people come in and start crunching.
[01:23] <clicker4721> Do you now where I could go for Glade help, then?
[01:23] <chu> Nah, I'm sorry.
[01:23] <chu> Perhaps ask #gnome (assuming there is such a channel)
[01:26] <bitplane--> gnome's chat rooms are on their own network
[01:26] <bitplane--> is there a channel for this Ubuntu App Showdown thing?
[01:26] <JanC> here, I assume
[01:27] <bitplane--> cool
[01:27] <JanC> but it's weekend an for many people it's also about 3h30am  ;)
[01:28] <JanC> (like for me)
[01:28] <bitplane--> 2:30 here :)
[01:28] <bitplane--> is Vala ready for prime-time, or would I be smarter to develop an app in Python?
[01:29] <JanC> I think the showdown is about python apps
[01:29] <JanC> but there are several apps in Ubuntu that are written in Vala, so it's certainly usable
[01:30] <bitplane--> Python can be a bit of a bitch to refactor, and C/C++ are.. well.. unforgiving and old-fashioned
[01:31] <bitplane--> other languages (Java, C#) tend have obscene dependencies, though depending on GTK makes things somewhat unportable anyway
[01:31] <bitplane--> you working on a project Jan?
[01:31] <JanC> actually, Python can be very easy to refactor in some ways, but difficult for development tools to aid refactoring  ;)
[01:31] <bitplane--> I'm not sure whether I want to commit to one
[01:33] <bitplane--> do you use an IDE for Python?
[01:35] <JanC> not really
[01:36] <bitplane--> nor me, tend to just hack it out in Gedit / nano
[10:26] <rigved> hi everyone. is there any documentation about the quickly-widgets signals and their handlers?
[14:54] <pavolzetor> hi, how is asured that apps are new?
[14:54] <pavolzetor> so somebody hasn't started it year ago and continued now?
[22:40] <sycoso> Will there be a recording of the showdown workshops?