[02:05] <pleia2> mhall119: ever find a summary for the app dev stuff? I still don't have content for a blog post and it's supposed to start tomorrow
[02:06] <pleia2> I don't think it's been announced anywhere, didn't get in UWN
[02:06] <pleia2> (maybe it was on a mailing list?)
[04:40] <nigelb> what are the changes.
[04:40] <nigelb> *chances
[04:40] <nigelb> I read up on nzpug mailing list about timers
[04:41] <nigelb> and it turns out to be cgoldberg's blog :)
[04:41] <hobgoblin> hi nigelb
[04:41] <nigelb> Hey hobgoblin, you're up early :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> nigelb: it's a small world, you know :P
[04:41] <hobgoblin> tell me about it :(
[04:42] <nigelb> ajmitch: yeah :D
[04:42] <nigelb> hobgoblin: I was up at 4 am too. I know the feel.
[04:42] <hobgoblin> lol
[04:42] <nigelb> And the weather here makes me want to snuggle under the blankets :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> nigelb: you're in NZ already? :)
[04:43] <nigelb> ajmitch: Nah. Not yet. Haha.
[04:43] <ajmitch> then you don't know what cold is
[04:43] <nigelb> lol
[04:43] <nigelb> It's 15 in AKL? *brrrr*
[04:44] <ajmitch> luxury
[04:44] <nigelb> It's pleasant 20s in Bangalore. Today's run was amazing too :)
[06:47] <toddy> Moin
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <dholbach> I have an off-topic question, but I need to get a new mobile today (mine didn't survive the WE) - which ones do you have? can you recommend them? what doesn't work so well?
[08:05] <dholbach> I tried to do some research last night, but the sheer mass of different phones makes it quite hard
[08:09] <hobgoblin> mornign dholbach
[08:10] <hobgoblin> I'd answer you - but my idea of a mobile is one that costs £10 and phones and texts ...
[08:14] <nigelb> dholbach: Are you looking for a smart phone or one that does calls and texts?
[08:16] <nigelb> If you're out for a smart phone, I've heard good things about Galaxy Nexus series (SII in particular), and the Note (if you're comfortable with such a large thing), and there's always the iPhone but may involve needing to deal with iTunes (never pleasant).
[08:16] <hobgoblin> nigelb: I'd ssupect the former :)
[08:17] <nigelb> hobgoblin: heh, me too.
[08:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:20] <hobgoblin> morning
[08:21] <jussi> dholbach: I have an N9 (actually N950) and love it, but the lack of apps is a big downer. I have also owned a Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro and its real nice, if a bit plastically
[08:22] <jussi> I have a samsung wave with bada, which is rubbish
[08:22] <hobgoblin> jussi: send it to me then :)
[08:22] <jussi> and the next planned phone will be a Galaxy Note.
[08:22] <jussi> hobgoblin: its owned by the company, sorry
[08:22] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:23] <jussi> hobgoblin: Ive a zte blade with a cracked screen if you want it :P
[08:23] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:23] <jussi> I just noticed somethign, I have way too many pgones
[08:23] <dholbach> up until yesterday I had an "old phone" which did calls and text messages and had lots of battery life - I'm not sure I have many use-cases for a smart phone
[08:23] <jussi> dholbach: ahh, a "feature phone" :P
[08:25] <dholbach> thanks a lot for your answers - I have to admit I'm still confused :)
[08:25] <hobgoblin> so would I be dholbach
[08:25] <jussi> dholbach: you might want to consider *gasp* a nokia thing with symbian and a touchscreen keyboad combo. ie. http://www.gigantti.fi/product/puhelimet-ja-gps/matkapuhelimet/NOK303GRAPHIT/nokia-asha-303-grafiitin-harmaa
[08:28] <jussi> That should give you battery life, plus email and a few smartphones features that can be useful, at a nice budget price
[08:29] <dholbach> cool
[08:29] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[08:29] <dholbach> I guess I'll just take the dog for a walk and see what I come home with
[08:29] <dholbach> I really need to get the phone now - hearing text messages come in you can't read is horrible :)
[08:29] <jussi> hehe
[08:29] <dholbach> so see you in a bit
[08:29] <jussi> laters
[10:34] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[10:38] <jussi> czajkowski: o/
[10:38] <jussi> dholbach: did you get a new "handy" :D
[10:38] <dholbach> haha
[10:38] <dholbach> yes, another "old school phone"
[10:39] <jussi> dholbach: what did you get?
[10:39] <dholbach> I wanted to have something new immediately and something I don't have to charge every hour
[10:39] <dholbach> a Nokia C2 something
[10:39] <jussi> ahh yes
[10:40] <jussi> walk in, do you have something I dont have to charge every hour and is in stock? yes sir, here you are. pay, walk out.
[10:40] <jussi> dholbach: something like that?
[10:40] <czajkowski> simples
[10:40] <jussi> :ds
[10:40] <dholbach> yes, very much like that :)
[10:45] <alourie> dholbach: that's a bad phone
[10:45] <czajkowski> alourie: not if you just want to make calls and sms
[10:45] <dholbach> alourie, I guess I'll find out over time :-)
[10:45] <czajkowski> it does what it says on the tin
[10:45] <alourie> czajkowski: my mother in law has it
[10:46] <alourie> it's terrible
[10:46] <dholbach> alourie, anything I should particularly watch out for?
[10:46] <alourie> dholbach: sound quality
[10:46] <alourie> it's sometimes unbearable
[10:46] <alourie> but
[10:46] <alourie> it may be this specific one's problem
[10:47] <alourie> I hope your will be ok
[10:47] <alourie> *yours
[10:48] <dholbach> it is ok - just did a test call
[10:48] <alourie> dholbach: when you buy it, check it in place
[10:48] <alourie> :-)
[10:48] <alourie> ok
[10:50] <daker> hi
[11:58] <daker> and say hello to the new internet meme http://memegenerator.net/instance/22144465
[12:01] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:39] <czajkowski> herro
[12:43] <daker> o/
[14:18] <jcastro> dpm: wow, lots of app-dev tag activity over the weekend
[14:19] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, trying to cope with all the questions right now, that's awesome :) jokerdino and mhall119 have been rocking at answering them too
[14:21] <jokerdino> wait, no.. i just subscribed to the tag :)
[14:22] <dpm> there you go, just subscribed and already rocking the tag
[14:27] <mhall119> dpm: do you want to try one of these on-air hangouts?
[14:28] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, let's go for it.
[14:29] <czajkowski> mhall119: link? and can anyone join?
[14:29] <mhall119> huh...gotta verify a youtube account
[14:29] <dpm> mhall119, ok, you're starting it, then?
[14:29] <dpm> czajkowski, we're on it :)
[14:29] <mhall119> dpm: yeah
[14:30] <dpm> cool
[14:30] <mhall119> hmmmm, I verified, now it wants me to upload a video
[14:32] <dpm> weird
[14:32] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/fc24944c2b76d41df9fe5985c41755fea3abf986?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:37] <czajkowski> popey: you're such a fecker!
[14:37] <popey> :D
[14:37] <jokerdino> o.O
[14:37] <jokerdino> PG-13 room right? :D
[14:38] <czajkowski> talk about giving a person a heart attack
[14:38] <jokerdino> jcastro: not sure if you have already discussed this, dpm created the ubuntuappshowdown tag and was looking for it.
[14:43] <jcastro> dpm: yeah I removed that tag
[14:43] <jcastro> we didn't really need it, I think just dumping everything into app-dev works better
[14:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: mhall119 https://plus.google.com/photos/102921374554385564572/albums/5730819334465556225/5755292385275560226
[14:46] <cjohnston> not as good
[14:46] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:47] <AlanBell> jokerdino: "feck" is an irish word that is apparently not very rude, we tend to believe czajkowski when she claims that
[14:47] <czajkowski> it is you should know
[14:47] <czajkowski> cjohnston: it's the caption that makes this though
[14:48] <jokerdino> i know feck is an irish word. i have read paddy clark hahaha :) (which is actually more vulgar)
[14:48] <mhall119> AlanBell: I think she means "not very rude for the Irish"
[14:48] <jokerdino> actually i am not sure what i am talking about. goes off to scoot.
[14:48] <mhall119> which is entirely different from "not very rude"
[14:49] <czajkowski> mhall119: indeed
[14:51] <jokerdino> i am trying to make some sense here.
[15:01] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:02] <dpm> jcastro, no worries re: the tag, I was just curious as to what had happened to it
[15:02] <jono_> hey dholbach
[15:02] <jono_> all set?
[15:02] <dholbach> yep
[15:02] <jono_> cool one sec
[15:03] <jono_> dpm, the button on http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/workshops/participate/ doesnt work
[15:04] <dpm> jono_, mhall119 is setting up the hangout right now
[15:04] <jono_> ahh cool
[15:04] <jono_> mhall119, be sure to record it :-)
[15:04] <mhall119> http://youtu.be/UwbRQUCb5XM
[15:04] <jono_> mhall119, I can see you live
[15:04] <mhall119> can everyone see that?
[15:04] <czajkowski> mhall119: yes
[15:05] <czajkowski> mhall119: yes and I can hear you
[15:06] <dpm> yeah, here too
[15:06] <mhall119> everybody please join #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[15:06] <dpm> jono_, yeah, we've been making tests before we started. popey and his wild stare were also featured in the test
[15:07] <czajkowski> lol
[15:07] <dpm> mhall119, is the youtube link the one to use, or do we need a G+ one?
[15:10] <jcastro> hey what are we doing?
[15:11] <jcastro> oh this is the workshop
[15:16] <jono_> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3b1947c021d4cb9bf8cd1ee932ac8348e97b983a?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:16] <jono_> jcastro, intro to Python
[15:16] <dholbach> jono_, en route
[15:27] <pleia2> dpm, mhall119, can you guys please keep the classroom team a bit more in the loop about sessions? we never got anything to post on the blog, and didn't realize these would be g+ based
[15:28] <pleia2> we should probably talk about how to handle g+ sessions, folks who are on slower connections or at work during them can't view them, so we need to make sure we set appropriate expectations
[15:31] <cjohnston> pleia2: hangouts on air ftw :-)
[15:31] <pleia2> cjohnston: nothing wrong with them, but I'm the one who has to deal with flak when people complain that they thought things on the classroom schedule are irc-based ;)
[15:32] <cjohnston> I don't disagree.. Was just commenting about the not being able to view them.. they will still be able to view, just not live
[15:34] <cjohnston> although I don't think it would be a bad thing to expand the classroom outside of just IRC, just need to ensure that IRC doesn't get abandoned
[15:35] <pleia2> we just need better communication, if we were given the opportunity to announce how these would go I'd feel a lot more comfortable about it, but in spite of asking I never got anything
[15:36] <cjohnston> sure
[15:48] <czajkowski> rather cool I can see dpm on various screens in the office here
[15:48] <czajkowski> looks cool!
[15:49] <dpm> :)
[15:56] <jcastro> popey: the slower rate of video encodes is awesome
[15:56] <jcastro> they're still posting content to the ubuntudeveloper channel
[15:57] <jcastro> it's really extending the content. :)
[16:18] <Pici> Where should we be directing folks asking about the developer workshop things?
[16:18] <Pici> -classroom?
[16:20] <Pici> looks like it, going with that.
[16:20] <cjohnston> Pici: provided there is anyone in there to ask about it
[16:21] <cjohnston> (answer questions)
[16:21] <pleia2> maybe -classroom-chat (no one is talking in -classroom and it's moderated)
[16:24] <Pici> pleia2: I provided both channel names :)
[16:25] <pleia2> \o/
[16:37] <dholbach> jono_, mail sent - more tomorrow
[16:37]  * dholbach calls it a day
[16:38] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[16:38] <bkerensa> mhall119: do we have a ETA on getting a AWS instance up for SUMO Evaluation?
[16:40] <mhall119> bkerensa: not today :)
[16:40] <bkerensa> mhall119: ;) sounds good
[16:55] <akgraner> Does anyone know who runs this youtube site? - http://www.youtube.com/user/planetubuntu
[17:05] <bkerensa> akgraner: maybe https://twitter.com/#!/boredandbloggin since he runs @planetubuntu on twitter?
[17:06] <akgraner> bkerensa, nope  - I would have access to it if he did
[17:06] <bkerensa> huh
[17:06] <akgraner> bkerensa, he doesn't
[17:07] <akgraner> I don't think this is an official channel and some of our Connect vidoes are up without attribution and my boss asked me to look into it - that's all
[17:08] <Andy80> hi all
[17:11] <Andy80> I'd like to bring your attention to this project https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuReleaseSprint :) I talked about it during the last UDS with dpm , Jono and Daniel Holbach. Then I was a bit busy with other things, but... anyway, please give it a look and feel free to comment or improve the wiki etc..., thanks :)
[17:18] <balloons> hi Andy80 ..
[17:19] <Andy80> balloons: hi
[17:20] <balloons> folks are a bit busy today with the app developer showcase, but your idea is interesting
[17:20] <balloons> is this intended for community blueprints?
[17:21] <Andy80> oh thanks! Sorry if I didn't ping you back before, but I was really busy (moved to another country for 3 months) now I've finally a bit of spare time
[17:22] <Andy80> it's intended both for community blueprints and all the other stuff discussed during UDS... basically it's a sort of "ok guys, let's see where we are at the moment, let's discuss if we're in time, how we can improve, if we need more help etc..."
[17:23] <Andy80> we don't need to spend a whole week re-capping every blueprint discussed.... I would start with 2 or 3 days and few blueprints. I mean... let's see if it's really useful and productive without spending a whole week 7-8 hours/day
[17:24] <mhall119> jono_: you going to be ready in 30 minutes for the GTK and Glade sessions?
[17:25] <jcastro> hah
[17:25] <jcastro> mpt is awesome
[17:25] <jono_> mhall119, dpm is down for the GTK session
[17:25] <jono_> I am doing the Glade one
[17:25] <mhall119> ok
[17:25] <jcastro> "As for unresponsive and buggy applications, traditionally many open-source developers have thought that “Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow” relieved them from needing to perform standard quality assurance processes such as test suites, error collection, and fuzz testing."
[17:25] <mhall119> dpm: will you be ready then?
[17:25] <balloons> jcastro, lol.. mpt said that?
[17:25] <jono_> I can join the GTK session to help though if needed
[17:26] <jcastro> balloons: yeah on reddit
[17:26] <jono_> mhall119, I am definitely free for the Glade session
[17:26] <mhall119> jono_: it seems to help having 2 people, even if it's just one to monitor questions
[17:26] <jono_> mhall119, ok, I will join in a supporting role
[17:26] <jono_> lets see if dpm is free
[17:27] <balloons> Andy80, well.. although it's not blueprints, g+ is being used right now to do the Ubuntu App Developer Showdown Workshops
[17:28] <balloons> Andy80, http://smarturl.it/ubuntuappshowdown
[17:29] <Andy80> balloons: cool :) my idea is having a small group discussing live (maybe the people working on that task) and the other people from home can make questions using the chat.
[17:29] <dpm> jono_, mhall119, yes, I was already planning to run the gtk3 session
[17:30] <Andy80> it doesn't cost like an UDS and allows people that in any other case would have not attended, to attend and give their opinion
[17:30] <dpm> Andy80, we're happy to discuss this, but right now we're a bit busy with the live Ubuntu App Developer Workshops
[17:31] <dpm> Personally, I think it would be a good idea, but not as a replacement for UDS
[17:31] <Andy80> dpm: yeah, balloons told me and I'm also following the live video :) I'll ping you back next week if you want and we can continue discussing this... or maybe tell me which one is the more appropriate mailing list...
[17:32] <Andy80> dpm: no no! not an UDS replacement.... something to fit in the middle between two UDSs
[17:33] <jono_> dpm, cool, I might join it too if that is ok
[17:33] <dpm> never!
[17:34] <dpm> jono_, absolutely :), I'm going to join the Quickly session in a few mins too, I'm just preparing the last touches to the gtk3 session
[17:34] <jono_> thanks dpm
[17:36] <mhall119> dpm: let me know if you need another invite
[17:36] <dpm> ok, cool, will try to join in a few
[17:49] <jcastro> pleia2: woo that userdays WI!
[17:53] <pleia2> jcastro: yeah :D still need to fill a couple slots but we're mostly set for UD on saturday
[17:55] <mhall119> dpm: I'm going to hop off during your session for lunch
[17:56] <dpm> mhall119, no worries, go for it
[18:00] <jono_> dpmwhere do I join the hangout?
[18:00] <jono_> dpm where do I join the hangout?
[18:01] <dpm> mhall119, can you invite jono_?
[18:01] <mhall119> I did, I'll invite him again
[18:01] <mhall119> sent
[18:05] <dpm> can you guys see me?
[18:22] <mhall119> doing sessions on G+ hangouts really needs better comment/chat integration
[18:22] <AlanBell> mhall119: could be done
[18:23] <AlanBell> embed the live youtube thingie in a page with IRC web client in it
[18:24] <AlanBell> or . . . someone could write a desktop application during the next three weeks to do just that . . .
[18:24] <mhall119> +1
[18:25] <mhall119> but the youtube feed also has comments, the G+ status update has it's own comments, and then we have the IRC comments
[18:27] <AlanBell> right, so such an app would need to sort that somehow
[18:49] <czajkowski> evening folks
[18:56] <cprofitt> afternoon czajkowski
[20:22] <czajkowski> jcastro: ping if you're free later can you drop me a ping, need to set up a FAQ on AU please.
[20:23] <paultag> czajkowski: I just had some salt water taffy and thought of you :)
[20:23] <czajkowski> paultag: tease
[20:23] <czajkowski> also
[20:23]  * czajkowski hugs paultag hey there 
[20:23]  * paultag hugs czajkowski 
[20:23] <paultag> missed you :)
[20:23] <czajkowski> alwasy miss my taggy!
[20:24] <czajkowski> even when you're being a fecker :)m
[20:24] <paultag> awww! :)
[20:24] <paultag> http://i.imgur.com/ZfBQ2.jpg ← didn't learn about this in drivers ed
[20:24] <paultag> czajkowski: what's new?
[20:24] <paultag> How's things?
[20:24] <czajkowski> paultag: good thanks mad busy, and love it. Heading to paris on thursday for sisters birthday so should be some fun
[20:25] <paultag> czajkowski: oh, sweet!
[20:28] <czajkowski> yup
[20:28] <czajkowski> paultag: hows life with you? working away and keeping out of trouble I hope
[20:28] <paultag> czajkowski: I'm always causing trouble :)
[20:28] <czajkowski> this is true :)
[20:28] <paultag> czajkowski: Life's grand, work's awesome, love my gig. Working on becoming a DD, Just got approved by the DAM, which is a good sign :)
[20:28] <czajkowski> ah good to hear
[20:29] <czajkowski> liking the blog posts
[20:29] <paultag> that way I can be cranky and people will understand why :)
[20:29] <paultag> czajkowski: aw, thanks!
[20:29]  * czajkowski needs to go back to blogging, just not got stuff to blog about really 
[20:29] <czajkowski> paultag: like you need a reason
[20:29] <paultag> czajkowski: I've been doing iron-blogger with a bunch of my friends, so if I don't blog once a week, I owe money :)
[20:29] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah, that's true :)
[20:29] <paultag> czajkowski: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20111120-00
[20:30] <czajkowski> paultag: I've been doing a photo desktop a week , which has proved entertaining
[20:30] <paultag> czajkowski: I saw some of your FB posts and giggled
[20:30] <czajkowski> I do like todays https://plus.google.com/102921374554385564572/posts/V7NANEn2mo3
[20:31] <paultag> czajkowski: hahahaha
[20:31] <paultag> oh that's great
[20:31] <czajkowski> <--- easily amused on a monday morning
[20:31] <paultag> oh man, it is a monday isn't it
[20:31] <paultag> barf
[21:27] <jono> mhall119, ready in two mins
[21:27] <jono> balloons, can we chat after I chat to mhall119?
[21:28] <balloons> sure
[21:28] <jono> thanks
[21:33] <jono> mhall119, ok, lets rol
[21:33] <jono> roll
[21:33] <mhall119> ready
[21:34] <jono> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/0f9e431d4f64220a1b6cbda5f0bb32a2e48cd1fa?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[21:48] <jono> balloons, all set?
[21:49] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b4dff183bbc5c37ae67c6c9d04433811ccc08541?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[21:53] <balloons> coming