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xnoxam I an hourly early or just 10 mins early17:49
* xnox you never know with british summer time17:49
stgraber10mins early17:49
stgraberhmm, or maybe 1h10 actually :)17:50
xnoxMonday June 18th, 2012 19:00 UTC17:50
stgrabermy phone seems to be wrong17:50
xnox17:50 Monday (GMT) - Time in Coordinated Universal Time17:50
xnoxstgraber: google calendars suck17:50
* stgraber assumes the wiki to be authoritative17:50
* xnox wonders how many people will be here at 18:00 UTC17:50
* stgraber fixes his calendar17:51
* xnox goes back to reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?17:51
mdeslaurit's security team meeting time :)17:59
xnoxmdeslaur: in that case I will stick around to ask about apparmor python3 code review of mines =)18:01
mdeslaurhehe18:02
* tyhicks is here18:02
jjohansen\o18:02
* xnox 0/18:02
* sbeattie o/18:02
jdstrandhi!18:04
jdstrand#startmeeting18:04
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jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting18:04
jdstrand#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting18:05
jdstrand*shrug*18:05
jdstrand[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report18:05
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jdstrandI'll go first18:05
jdstrandI'm on triage this week18:06
jdstrandI'm working on libreoffice and oo.o this week18:06
jdstrandI had a short week last week and got distracted by the apt updates, so not much was done there (though I did manage to get the related raprot update out this morning)18:07
jdstrandI also have a short week next week18:07
jdstrandmdeslaur: you're up18:07
mdeslaurI'm in the happy place this week18:08
mdeslaurI just published libav/ffmpeg updates18:08
mdeslaurand have php5 and clamav updates to test18:08
mdeslaurwhich I should be publishing this week18:08
mdeslaurafter that, I have some merges to do18:08
mdeslaurand that's about it for me18:08
mdeslaursbeattie: you're up18:08
sbeattieI'm on community this week.18:08
sbeattieMy focus for the week is the openjdk-6 update + backports18:09
sbeattieI'll try to pick up something else in the backgroud.18:09
sbeattieI think that's it for me (besides trying to shake the remnants of this cold)18:09
sbeattiemicahg: tag18:09
micahgI've got patch piloting, Firefox/Thunderbird 13.0.1, then webkit, if sbeattie gets the openjdk stuff ready for testing, I'll be helping him with the browser plugin testing18:10
micahgthat's it for me18:10
tyhicksI'm in the happy place this week18:10
tyhicksI got all of my eCryptfs fixes out last week. I only have a patch review pending for this week.18:11
tyhicksI'll get through that today and then will focus on updates18:11
tyhicksI also have some merges to do that I'll try to fit in later in the week18:11
tyhicksThat's it for me18:12
tyhicksjjohansen: you're up18:12
jjohansenI need to poke at the bugs that were reported on the ml some more. I expect the genprof problems are actually related to audit dropping messages, but need to confirm that.18:12
jjohansenI also need to finish dealing with debian Bug#676515 so that they can have a working apparmor in wheezy18:12
jjohansenOther than that I am trying to finish up enough of the stacking work to get an alpha1 out before I take off on vacation next week18:13
xnoxhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=67651518:14
ubottuDebian bug 676515 in linux-2.6 "linux-2.6: AppArmor totally broken" [Normal,Open]18:14
jjohansenyeah, its pretty bad :/18:14
jjohansenI think that is it from /me jdstrand back to you18:15
jdstrand[TOPIC] Highlighted packages18:15
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jdstrandThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.18:15
jdstrandSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.18:16
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/alien-arena.html18:16
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/weechat.html18:16
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/smsclient.html18:16
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/slurm-llnl.html18:16
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xmlsec1.html18:16
jdstrand[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions18:16
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* xnox 0/18:17
jdstrandDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?18:17
jdstrandxnox: go ahead18:17
xnoxIs anyone going to do a review of python3 port? https://code.launchpad.net/~dmitrij.ledkov/apparmor/py3/+merge/10968218:17
xnoxis there anything left to do?18:17
xnoxwhich version of apparmor will ship with quantal (such that I can prepare packaging changes)18:17
xnoxunless security team will take that responsibility18:17
xnox..18:17
jdstrandxnox: I will take that responsibility (review, packaging, etc)18:18
xnoxjdstrand: any ETA? =) e.g. quantal milestone?18:18
jdstrandxnox: sorry I haven't gotten to the review yet. thank you for the porting-- I was planning on ding it myself :)18:18
xnoxACTION jdstrand to review apparmor python3 port18:19
* xnox or maybe the chair needs to do that18:19
xnoxok, thanks. sorted then =)18:19
xnox..18:19
jdstrandxnox: soonish? feel free to take it off your list18:19
* xnox ok18:19
* sbeattie had also meant to review it as well, sorry18:20
sbeattiejdstrand: FYI, last week I punted on triaging the md5crypt cve18:20
jdstrandxnox: as you can imagine, we get sidetracked fairly often with security updates, but we'll get to it18:20
jdstrandxnox: thanks again for your work on it :)18:21
xnoxI do know how much great work you lot do. I am subscribed to security announces18:21
jdstrand:)18:21
sbeattiejdstrand: we don't have it in the archive, but I wasn't sure whether we wanted to mark it as ignored, or have a full not-affected cve entry where we could put references to how we've transitioned away from md5.18:21
xnoxwell done you all =) especially keeping it cool with "I'm in a happy place this week"18:21
xnoxjdstrand: I have marked my workitem as done, and added one for you on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-python-versions18:22
jdstrandxnox: ok. I already had one in another bp, but that's cool18:23
jdstrandsbeattie: noted18:23
jdstrandany other items to discuss?18:24
xnoxjdstrand: barry uses that one to track the progress as he is driving python3 migration18:24
* jdstrand nods18:25
jdstrandmdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen, xnox: thanks!18:26
jdstrand#endmeeting18:26
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Jun 18 18:26:26 2012 UTC.18:26
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tyhicksthanks!18:26
jjohansenthanks jdstrand18:26
sbeattiejdstrand: thank you18:26
xnoxthanks a lot18:26
mdeslaurthanks jdstrand!18:26
micahgthanks jdstrand18:26
* xnox prepares the bonfire18:54
xnoxstgraber: ping19:01
* stgraber waves19:01
stgraber!dmb-ping19:02
ubottubdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping19:02
tumbleweedo/19:02
micahgo/19:02
stgraberwe need one more19:02
micahgbdrung would be the only one available it seems19:02
micahg*possibly19:02
bdrungo/19:02
stgraberyay19:02
* xnox thought barry was around19:03
stgraber#startmeeting19:03
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Jun 18 19:03:06 2012 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:03
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tumbleweedaww, I was hoping to go to sleep :P19:03
stgraberxnox: nope, both barry and Laney said they couldn't attend this one19:03
stgraber#topic Review of previous action items19:03
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stgrabermicahg to document the zentyl packageset19:03
micahgnope :(19:03
stgraberstgraber to review the freeze process with bencer19:03
stgraberstill need to poke highvoltage about that...19:04
stgrabercody-somerville to vote in early meeting poll19:04
highvoltagebencer has been really quiet recently19:04
cody-somervilleHi19:04
* highvoltage pokes him now19:04
stgraberhighvoltage: can you make sure that he's perfectly aware of the freezes before he uploads anything?19:04
highvoltagestgraber: I can explain it to him, the understanding part is up to him19:05
stgraberhighvoltage: ok :)19:05
stgrabercody-somerville: did you have a chance to vote in that early meeting poll?19:05
cody-somervilleI don't believe so. Still not sure how since it seemed like I had to vote on specific dates or something, lol19:06
stgrabercody-somerville: ok, I'll keep that action item on the list then19:06
stgraberthe two others have been done:19:07
stgraberstgraber to add jbicha to MOTU (done)19:07
stgraberstgraber to remove rodrigo-moya's PPU rights (done)19:07
bdrungmy schedule will change if we wait long enough19:07
stgraber#topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications  - Juan Negron19:07
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stgrabernegronjl: ping19:07
* negronjl waves19:07
bdrungi probably can attend the early meetings in 6 weeks and following19:08
stgrabernegronjl: can you introduce yourself and your application please?19:08
negronjlhello all ...19:08
negronjlMy name is Juan L. Negron ( wiki.ubuntu.com/JuanNegron/UbuntuContributingDeveloper )19:08
negronjlI currently work as a Systems Integration Engineero for Canonical ( currently located in San Francisco, CA, USA )19:09
negronjlI mainly hang around the Juju guys and charm related things19:09
negronjlI am currently applying for Ubuntu Contributing Developer19:10
* negronjl not sure what else to add :/19:11
* xnox bribing with home-baked cookies always works like a charm ;-)19:12
tumbleweedlet me start the questions19:13
tumbleweednegronjl: I have a fairly hard time judging this application, because I don't see much directly-ubuntu-related activity19:13
negronjltumbleweed: fair enough question ... I have been heavily involved in spreading the word on Juju19:14
bdrungxnox: we will eat all your cookies, but this will have no effect on the result of your application (unless we get all ill and need to defer the vote) ;)19:14
negronjltumbleweed: that involves going to pretty much every conference, meeting that I can get into to spread the word there.19:14
tumbleweedare you intending to do more work on ubuntu itself?19:14
tumbleweedI se a bunch of uploads from june and august last year, but nothing since19:15
negronjltumbleweed: also have run a few charm-schools for it.19:15
tumbleweed(orchestra-ish stuff, some of which hasn' tbeen touched since, and I don' tknow if that's good or bad)19:15
negronjltumbleweed: the majority of my work these days has been geared towards juju and charms.19:15
negronjltumbleweed: orchestra is no more ... now it's MaaS19:15
negronjltumbleweed: that's why it hasn't been touched.19:15
tumbleweedthe packages still appear to be published in the archive19:15
tumbleweedI wouldn't call that "no more"19:16
negronjltumbleweed:  they are ... they are maintained but, no further development will happen on orchestra19:16
negronjltumbleweed: that development effort has been geared towards Juju now.19:17
* xnox thought orchestra => juju + MaaS19:17
negronjlxnox:  not really19:17
negronjlxnox: I am currently working on a demo for Structure/SF where I will deploy MaaS, Juju and such ....19:17
negronjlxnox: MaaS is something different from orchestra ... A different approach with a diff. goal19:18
negronjlMaaS intends to be a provider ( think Amazon/Aws )19:20
negronjlorchestra was something where you could deploy ready-made (puppet) work-loads to it19:20
negronjlanother big diff. between orchestra and MaaS is that orchestra was puppet based and MaaS is just a provider that Juju can manipulate and consume19:22
xnoxinteresting. thanks.19:23
negronjlxnox: sure19:23
bdrungnegronjl: you stated that you dislike the package review process. why? something else besides it being slow?19:23
negronjlbdrung: just slow ...19:24
negronjlbdrung: I had to write something I didn't like after all ;)19:25
bdrungnegronjl: what did you have to write?19:25
negronjlbdrung: .... just a joke about having to write what I liked least about Ubuntu19:26
bdrungah. :)19:26
* xnox "If you tell me everything, you will not get into any type of trouble" - what a typical typical lie parents tell kids during upbringing ;-)19:26
bdrungnegronjl: what do you mean with package review process. the sponsoring queue?19:26
negronjlxnox: I fell for that as a kid many times19:27
bdrungxnox: we like to know what can be improved in Ubuntu.19:27
negronjlbdrung:  When i started with orchestra, the packaging process and review process took a lot of effort ( It was mostly because I didn't understand it at all ).  ....19:28
negronjlbdrung:  As I work on this stuff more,  I see that it's more of a misunderstanding of the process ( that explains why the sponsoring queue is the way it is ) .....19:28
negronjlbdrung: and the need for me to clean up my packages ( after all ... one of the things that we all like about Ubuntu is that we can install a package and expect it to just _work_ )19:29
bdrungnegronjl: was it just a misunderstanding on your side or a lack of/wrong documentation?19:29
negronjlbdrung: nowadays ... when I package stuff ( ie: ppa:cloudfoundry/daily ) I tend to look closer at those issues and see them as something that _I_ need to fix as opposed to something that the process needs to work for me.19:30
negronjlbdrung: packaging and sponsoring and getting these things into the archive can be a daunting process for someone new.  The help is out there ... I guess it could be put in a more concise manner but, I really would not know where to put it or how to go about making it better.19:31
negronjlOnce I started to get a better understanding of the process, I realized that it is only as complicated and lengthy as it needs to be19:31
negronjl... I guess I also got used to it so, at this point, I see it as just something that needs to be understood and worked through ...19:32
negronjlbdrung:  so the short answer is that it was daunting due to my inexperience with it.19:32
stgraberok, sorry had to multi-task a little and follow some discussions the DMB had on the side19:33
bdrungmany processes seem to be daunting/complex at the beginning19:34
stgraberthe DMB doesn't think that ubuntu contributing developer is the right fit for you as it's really meant as a step towards MOTU19:34
stgraberinstead, we'd highly recommend you apply through the regular Ubuntu Membership process where your contributions to the project through the juju charm schools and similar conferences will be considered19:34
negronjlstgraber: ok.  thx for the pointers19:35
stgrabernegronjl: no problem, and all the best for your ubuntu membership application!19:36
bdrung"Ubuntu Contributing Packager" would be probably a better name instead of "Ubuntu Contributing Developer"19:36
negronjlthx for your time all19:36
bdrungyou're welcome19:37
stgraber#topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications - Dmitrijs Ledkovs19:37
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stgraberxnox: your turn :)19:37
inetprohmm....19:37
inetprooops... wrong channel19:37
xnoxHello everyone =)19:37
xnoxMy name is Dmitrijs. I am Ubuntu Contributing Developer and Debian Developer.19:38
xnoxI am currently employed by canonical and work fulltime with Foundations Team on the filesystem's tasks.19:38
xnoxSince my $dayjob is more closely aligned with ubuntu+1, my hobby time contributions have picked up as well. Hence I am applying for Core Developer status.19:39
xnoxThe wiki page for my application is here:19:39
xnoxhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitrijsLedkovs/CoreDevApplication19:39
xnox..19:39
* tumbleweed hasn't seen any mention of cookies for +1s yet19:40
bdrungwe first need to find a protocol to transport cookies over IP without loosing the taste ;)19:41
* xnox prepared a ratatouille recipe for Laney & Barry which were making a fire for me at the last meeting. But they bailed. There was no time for cookies, sorry.19:41
* xnox was considering airtight, vacuum containers, but was afraid of moisture turning into ice during air transportation. So I was thinking to make dehydrated cookies, but they are not as nice as soft baked once.19:42
stgraberSo, let's say we are the 27th of June and you want to fix a bug in python-gevent, can you upload it to the archive at that point?19:42
* xnox goes to check the calendar, to see what 27th of june is19:42
xnoxso there are no milestones for stable releases in the interlock.19:43
xnoxonly alpha 2 freeze for quantal.19:43
xnoxit is seeded on the edubuntu dvd image19:44
micahghttp://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt comes to mind as a basis for transporting cookies over IP19:44
xnoxi would upload to -proposed, or better get in touch with release team to see if the bugfix is required for a respin19:45
xnoxassuming that the seeding has not changed by the time we get into 27th of june19:45
* xnox goes to check MIRs19:45
stgrabergood answer and well detailed answer :)19:45
stgraberare you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?19:45
xnoxyes, on RSS, NNTP & email19:46
tumbleweedexotic19:46
* xnox doesn't like missing *-announce stuff regardless what I happen to check first19:46
tumbleweedxnox: so, how do we make RAID/LUKS/LVM rock in ubuntu?19:48
* xnox doesn't see any MIRs for python-gevent, and I shouldn't miss any new new MIR since I am subscribed to ubuntu-archive m-l for component missmatch notifications19:48
xnoxtumbleweed: to make RAID/LUKS/LVM rock this needs implemented: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-software-raid19:49
xnoxas well as all dependencies19:49
xnoxand all bugs19:49
xnoxand of course https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-ubiquity-lvm-luks19:49
xnoxand all bugs in ubiquity/installer related to that19:49
* tumbleweed missed that session19:49
xnoxtumbleweed: which one? there was no session for ubiquity-lvm-luks19:49
xnoxit was discussed to death for many cycles in a row =)19:50
xnoxthere were hallway discussions about it at the UDS-Q19:50
* tumbleweed seems to recall some scheduled related sessions at UDS-Q, but nm19:51
bdrungxnox: is there a nice gui to create luks encrypted partitions?19:51
xnoxbdrung: the design work is in progress.19:52
* xnox hunts some links19:52
xnoxhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/edit#heading=h.v8wi3omt1z019:53
bdrungi needed to create the partition on the gui to then mount it with typing the password into the gui19:53
xnoxright now you can use gnome-disks which is on the live cd to create LUKS encrypted volume19:54
xnoxhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitioningSchemes#Ubiquity_Mockups19:54
xnoxis my "functional" mockups which will be enabled with `ubiquity --danger-do-not-use`19:54
xnoxor some other more sensible command line flag19:54
xnoxgnome-disks is fully gui. And encrypted usb drives are awesome. You plug it in, and a nice popup appears to unlock it.19:55
stgraberalright, we have 5 minutes left to the meeting, so let's vote19:55
stgraber#vote Core Dev Application - xnox19:55
meetingologyPlease vote on: Core Dev Application - xnox19:55
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)19:55
bdrung+119:56
meetingology+1 received from bdrung19:56
micahg+119:56
meetingology+1 received from micahg19:56
tumbleweed+1 [[ it's a faily early core-dev application, but warranted ]]19:56
meetingology+1 [[ it's a faily early core-dev application, but warranted ]] received from tumbleweed19:56
stgraber+119:56
meetingology+1 received from stgraber19:56
cody-somerville+119:57
meetingology+1 received from cody-somerville19:57
stgraber#endvote19:58
meetingologyVoting ended on: Core Dev Application - xnox19:58
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:019:58
meetingologyMotion carried19:58
stgraberxnox: congrats!19:58
* xnox \0/19:58
stgraberadded to the team19:58
tumbleweedxnox: congrats. now you can help bring down the sponsorship backlog :P19:58
* xnox goes to break^W make ubuntu better ;)19:59
xnoxsure, I can now do sponsorship19:59
stgraber#topic Select a chair for the next meeting19:59
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* xnox votes barry19:59
stgrabercan't remember, do we also do alphabetical order of IRC nicks like the TB?20:00
stgraberif so, it should be tumbleweed20:00
tumbleweedIIRC, we do alphabetical on full names20:00
bdrungalphabetical on first name20:00
tumbleweedI was the last chair20:00
stgraberok, that's barry then20:00
stgraber#action barry to chair the next DMB meeting20:01
meetingologyACTION: barry to chair the next DMB meeting20:01
stgraber#endmeeting20:01
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Jun 18 20:01:06 2012 UTC.20:01
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xnoxthank you everyone20:01
stgraberalmost on time :)20:01
bdrungwe should go reverse after barry ;)20:01
stgraberbdrung: yeah right :)20:01
bdrungxnox: how is the gui of gnome-disks named? gnome-disks: command not found20:02
xnoxbdrung: in unity dash search for 'disks'20:05
xnoxin precise i think it plymptest thing20:06
xnoxlet me find20:06
stgraberpalimpsest20:06
xnoxstgraber: yeah that20:07
* xnox can't understand wtf palimpsest suppose to mean20:07
* xnox does a little dance20:07

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