=== Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === doko__ is now known as doko === yofel_ is now known as yofel === noy_ is now known as noy [17:49] am I an hourly early or just 10 mins early [17:49] * xnox you never know with british summer time [17:49] 10mins early [17:50] hmm, or maybe 1h10 actually :) [17:50] Monday June 18th, 2012 19:00 UTC [17:50] my phone seems to be wrong [17:50] 17:50 Monday (GMT) - Time in Coordinated Universal Time [17:50] stgraber: google calendars suck [17:50] * stgraber assumes the wiki to be authoritative [17:50] * xnox wonders how many people will be here at 18:00 UTC [17:51] * stgraber fixes his calendar [17:51] * xnox goes back to reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? [17:59] it's security team meeting time :) [18:01] mdeslaur: in that case I will stick around to ask about apparmor python3 code review of mines =) [18:02] hehe [18:02] * tyhicks is here [18:02] \o [18:02] * xnox 0/ [18:02] * sbeattie o/ [18:04] hi! [18:04] #startmeeting [18:04] Meeting started Mon Jun 18 18:04:51 2012 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:04] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:04] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [18:05] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [18:05] *shrug* [18:05] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [18:05] I'll go first [18:06] I'm on triage this week [18:06] I'm working on libreoffice and oo.o this week [18:07] I had a short week last week and got distracted by the apt updates, so not much was done there (though I did manage to get the related raprot update out this morning) [18:07] I also have a short week next week [18:07] mdeslaur: you're up [18:08] I'm in the happy place this week [18:08] I just published libav/ffmpeg updates [18:08] and have php5 and clamav updates to test [18:08] which I should be publishing this week [18:08] after that, I have some merges to do [18:08] and that's about it for me [18:08] sbeattie: you're up [18:08] I'm on community this week. [18:09] My focus for the week is the openjdk-6 update + backports [18:09] I'll try to pick up something else in the backgroud. [18:09] I think that's it for me (besides trying to shake the remnants of this cold) [18:09] micahg: tag [18:10] I've got patch piloting, Firefox/Thunderbird 13.0.1, then webkit, if sbeattie gets the openjdk stuff ready for testing, I'll be helping him with the browser plugin testing [18:10] that's it for me [18:10] I'm in the happy place this week [18:11] I got all of my eCryptfs fixes out last week. I only have a patch review pending for this week. [18:11] I'll get through that today and then will focus on updates [18:11] I also have some merges to do that I'll try to fit in later in the week [18:12] That's it for me [18:12] jjohansen: you're up [18:12] I need to poke at the bugs that were reported on the ml some more. I expect the genprof problems are actually related to audit dropping messages, but need to confirm that. [18:12] I also need to finish dealing with debian Bug#676515 so that they can have a working apparmor in wheezy [18:13] Other than that I am trying to finish up enough of the stacking work to get an alpha1 out before I take off on vacation next week [18:14] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676515 [18:14] Debian bug 676515 in linux-2.6 "linux-2.6: AppArmor totally broken" [Normal,Open] [18:14] yeah, its pretty bad :/ [18:15] I think that is it from /me jdstrand back to you [18:15] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [18:15] The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. [18:16] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [18:16] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/alien-arena.html [18:16] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/weechat.html [18:16] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/smsclient.html [18:16] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/slurm-llnl.html [18:16] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xmlsec1.html [18:16] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [18:17] * xnox 0/ [18:17] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [18:17] xnox: go ahead [18:17] Is anyone going to do a review of python3 port? https://code.launchpad.net/~dmitrij.ledkov/apparmor/py3/+merge/109682 [18:17] is there anything left to do? [18:17] which version of apparmor will ship with quantal (such that I can prepare packaging changes) [18:17] unless security team will take that responsibility [18:17] .. [18:18] xnox: I will take that responsibility (review, packaging, etc) [18:18] jdstrand: any ETA? =) e.g. quantal milestone? [18:18] xnox: sorry I haven't gotten to the review yet. thank you for the porting-- I was planning on ding it myself :) [18:19] ACTION jdstrand to review apparmor python3 port [18:19] * xnox or maybe the chair needs to do that [18:19] ok, thanks. sorted then =) [18:19] .. [18:19] xnox: soonish? feel free to take it off your list [18:19] * xnox ok [18:20] * sbeattie had also meant to review it as well, sorry [18:20] jdstrand: FYI, last week I punted on triaging the md5crypt cve [18:20] xnox: as you can imagine, we get sidetracked fairly often with security updates, but we'll get to it [18:21] xnox: thanks again for your work on it :) [18:21] I do know how much great work you lot do. I am subscribed to security announces [18:21] :) [18:21] jdstrand: we don't have it in the archive, but I wasn't sure whether we wanted to mark it as ignored, or have a full not-affected cve entry where we could put references to how we've transitioned away from md5. [18:21] well done you all =) especially keeping it cool with "I'm in a happy place this week" [18:22] jdstrand: I have marked my workitem as done, and added one for you on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-python-versions [18:23] xnox: ok. I already had one in another bp, but that's cool [18:23] sbeattie: noted [18:24] any other items to discuss? [18:24] jdstrand: barry uses that one to track the progress as he is driving python3 migration [18:25] * jdstrand nods [18:26] mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen, xnox: thanks! [18:26] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:26] Meeting ended Mon Jun 18 18:26:26 2012 UTC. [18:26] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-18-18.04.moin.txt [18:26] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-18-18.04.html [18:26] thanks! [18:26] thanks jdstrand [18:26] jdstrand: thank you [18:26] thanks a lot [18:26] thanks jdstrand! [18:26] thanks jdstrand [18:54] * xnox prepares the bonfire [19:01] stgraber: ping [19:01] * stgraber waves [19:02] !dmb-ping [19:02] bdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping [19:02] o/ [19:02] o/ [19:02] we need one more [19:02] bdrung would be the only one available it seems [19:02] *possibly [19:02] o/ [19:02] yay [19:03] * xnox thought barry was around [19:03] #startmeeting [19:03] Meeting started Mon Jun 18 19:03:06 2012 UTC. The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [19:03] aww, I was hoping to go to sleep :P [19:03] xnox: nope, both barry and Laney said they couldn't attend this one [19:03] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review of previous action items [19:03] micahg to document the zentyl packageset [19:03] nope :( [19:03] stgraber to review the freeze process with bencer [19:04] still need to poke highvoltage about that... [19:04] cody-somerville to vote in early meeting poll [19:04] bencer has been really quiet recently [19:04] Hi [19:04] * highvoltage pokes him now [19:04] highvoltage: can you make sure that he's perfectly aware of the freezes before he uploads anything? [19:05] stgraber: I can explain it to him, the understanding part is up to him [19:05] highvoltage: ok :) [19:05] cody-somerville: did you have a chance to vote in that early meeting poll? [19:06] I don't believe so. Still not sure how since it seemed like I had to vote on specific dates or something, lol [19:06] cody-somerville: ok, I'll keep that action item on the list then [19:07] the two others have been done: [19:07] stgraber to add jbicha to MOTU (done) [19:07] stgraber to remove rodrigo-moya's PPU rights (done) [19:07] my schedule will change if we wait long enough [19:07] #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications - Juan Negron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications - Juan Negron [19:07] negronjl: ping [19:07] * negronjl waves [19:08] i probably can attend the early meetings in 6 weeks and following [19:08] negronjl: can you introduce yourself and your application please? [19:08] hello all ... [19:08] My name is Juan L. Negron ( wiki.ubuntu.com/JuanNegron/UbuntuContributingDeveloper ) [19:09] I currently work as a Systems Integration Engineero for Canonical ( currently located in San Francisco, CA, USA ) [19:09] I mainly hang around the Juju guys and charm related things [19:10] I am currently applying for Ubuntu Contributing Developer [19:11] * negronjl not sure what else to add :/ [19:12] * xnox bribing with home-baked cookies always works like a charm ;-) [19:13] let me start the questions [19:13] negronjl: I have a fairly hard time judging this application, because I don't see much directly-ubuntu-related activity [19:14] tumbleweed: fair enough question ... I have been heavily involved in spreading the word on Juju [19:14] xnox: we will eat all your cookies, but this will have no effect on the result of your application (unless we get all ill and need to defer the vote) ;) [19:14] tumbleweed: that involves going to pretty much every conference, meeting that I can get into to spread the word there. [19:14] are you intending to do more work on ubuntu itself? [19:15] I se a bunch of uploads from june and august last year, but nothing since [19:15] tumbleweed: also have run a few charm-schools for it. [19:15] (orchestra-ish stuff, some of which hasn' tbeen touched since, and I don' tknow if that's good or bad) [19:15] tumbleweed: the majority of my work these days has been geared towards juju and charms. [19:15] tumbleweed: orchestra is no more ... now it's MaaS [19:15] tumbleweed: that's why it hasn't been touched. [19:15] the packages still appear to be published in the archive [19:16] I wouldn't call that "no more" [19:16] tumbleweed: they are ... they are maintained but, no further development will happen on orchestra [19:17] tumbleweed: that development effort has been geared towards Juju now. [19:17] * xnox thought orchestra => juju + MaaS [19:17] xnox: not really [19:17] xnox: I am currently working on a demo for Structure/SF where I will deploy MaaS, Juju and such .... [19:18] xnox: MaaS is something different from orchestra ... A different approach with a diff. goal [19:20] MaaS intends to be a provider ( think Amazon/Aws ) [19:20] orchestra was something where you could deploy ready-made (puppet) work-loads to it [19:22] another big diff. between orchestra and MaaS is that orchestra was puppet based and MaaS is just a provider that Juju can manipulate and consume [19:23] interesting. thanks. [19:23] xnox: sure [19:23] negronjl: you stated that you dislike the package review process. why? something else besides it being slow? [19:24] bdrung: just slow ... [19:25] bdrung: I had to write something I didn't like after all ;) [19:25] negronjl: what did you have to write? [19:26] bdrung: .... just a joke about having to write what I liked least about Ubuntu [19:26] ah. :) [19:26] * xnox "If you tell me everything, you will not get into any type of trouble" - what a typical typical lie parents tell kids during upbringing ;-) [19:26] negronjl: what do you mean with package review process. the sponsoring queue? [19:27] xnox: I fell for that as a kid many times [19:27] xnox: we like to know what can be improved in Ubuntu. [19:28] bdrung: When i started with orchestra, the packaging process and review process took a lot of effort ( It was mostly because I didn't understand it at all ). .... [19:28] bdrung: As I work on this stuff more, I see that it's more of a misunderstanding of the process ( that explains why the sponsoring queue is the way it is ) ..... [19:29] bdrung: and the need for me to clean up my packages ( after all ... one of the things that we all like about Ubuntu is that we can install a package and expect it to just _work_ ) [19:29] negronjl: was it just a misunderstanding on your side or a lack of/wrong documentation? [19:30] bdrung: nowadays ... when I package stuff ( ie: ppa:cloudfoundry/daily ) I tend to look closer at those issues and see them as something that _I_ need to fix as opposed to something that the process needs to work for me. [19:31] bdrung: packaging and sponsoring and getting these things into the archive can be a daunting process for someone new. The help is out there ... I guess it could be put in a more concise manner but, I really would not know where to put it or how to go about making it better. [19:31] Once I started to get a better understanding of the process, I realized that it is only as complicated and lengthy as it needs to be [19:32] ... I guess I also got used to it so, at this point, I see it as just something that needs to be understood and worked through ... [19:32] bdrung: so the short answer is that it was daunting due to my inexperience with it. [19:33] ok, sorry had to multi-task a little and follow some discussions the DMB had on the side [19:34] many processes seem to be daunting/complex at the beginning [19:34] the DMB doesn't think that ubuntu contributing developer is the right fit for you as it's really meant as a step towards MOTU [19:34] instead, we'd highly recommend you apply through the regular Ubuntu Membership process where your contributions to the project through the juju charm schools and similar conferences will be considered [19:35] stgraber: ok. thx for the pointers [19:36] negronjl: no problem, and all the best for your ubuntu membership application! [19:36] "Ubuntu Contributing Packager" would be probably a better name instead of "Ubuntu Contributing Developer" [19:36] thx for your time all [19:37] you're welcome [19:37] #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications - Dmitrijs Ledkovs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Core Developer Applications - Dmitrijs Ledkovs [19:37] xnox: your turn :) [19:37] hmm.... [19:37] oops... wrong channel [19:37] Hello everyone =) [19:38] My name is Dmitrijs. I am Ubuntu Contributing Developer and Debian Developer. [19:38] I am currently employed by canonical and work fulltime with Foundations Team on the filesystem's tasks. [19:39] Since my $dayjob is more closely aligned with ubuntu+1, my hobby time contributions have picked up as well. Hence I am applying for Core Developer status. [19:39] The wiki page for my application is here: [19:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitrijsLedkovs/CoreDevApplication [19:39] .. [19:40] * tumbleweed hasn't seen any mention of cookies for +1s yet [19:41] we first need to find a protocol to transport cookies over IP without loosing the taste ;) [19:41] * xnox prepared a ratatouille recipe for Laney & Barry which were making a fire for me at the last meeting. But they bailed. There was no time for cookies, sorry. [19:42] * xnox was considering airtight, vacuum containers, but was afraid of moisture turning into ice during air transportation. So I was thinking to make dehydrated cookies, but they are not as nice as soft baked once. [19:42] So, let's say we are the 27th of June and you want to fix a bug in python-gevent, can you upload it to the archive at that point? [19:42] * xnox goes to check the calendar, to see what 27th of june is [19:43] so there are no milestones for stable releases in the interlock. [19:43] only alpha 2 freeze for quantal. [19:44] it is seeded on the edubuntu dvd image [19:44] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt comes to mind as a basis for transporting cookies over IP [19:45] i would upload to -proposed, or better get in touch with release team to see if the bugfix is required for a respin [19:45] assuming that the seeding has not changed by the time we get into 27th of june [19:45] * xnox goes to check MIRs [19:45] good answer and well detailed answer :) [19:45] are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? [19:46] yes, on RSS, NNTP & email [19:46] exotic [19:46] * xnox doesn't like missing *-announce stuff regardless what I happen to check first [19:48] xnox: so, how do we make RAID/LUKS/LVM rock in ubuntu? [19:48] * xnox doesn't see any MIRs for python-gevent, and I shouldn't miss any new new MIR since I am subscribed to ubuntu-archive m-l for component missmatch notifications [19:49] tumbleweed: to make RAID/LUKS/LVM rock this needs implemented: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-software-raid [19:49] as well as all dependencies [19:49] and all bugs [19:49] and of course https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-ubiquity-lvm-luks [19:49] and all bugs in ubiquity/installer related to that [19:49] * tumbleweed missed that session [19:49] tumbleweed: which one? there was no session for ubiquity-lvm-luks [19:50] it was discussed to death for many cycles in a row =) [19:50] there were hallway discussions about it at the UDS-Q [19:51] * tumbleweed seems to recall some scheduled related sessions at UDS-Q, but nm [19:51] xnox: is there a nice gui to create luks encrypted partitions? [19:52] bdrung: the design work is in progress. [19:52] * xnox hunts some links [19:53] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/edit#heading=h.v8wi3omt1z0 [19:53] i needed to create the partition on the gui to then mount it with typing the password into the gui [19:54] right now you can use gnome-disks which is on the live cd to create LUKS encrypted volume [19:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitioningSchemes#Ubiquity_Mockups [19:54] is my "functional" mockups which will be enabled with `ubiquity --danger-do-not-use` [19:54] or some other more sensible command line flag [19:55] gnome-disks is fully gui. And encrypted usb drives are awesome. You plug it in, and a nice popup appears to unlock it. [19:55] alright, we have 5 minutes left to the meeting, so let's vote [19:55] #vote Core Dev Application - xnox [19:55] Please vote on: Core Dev Application - xnox [19:55] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:56] +1 [19:56] +1 received from bdrung [19:56] +1 [19:56] +1 received from micahg [19:56] +1 [[ it's a faily early core-dev application, but warranted ]] [19:56] +1 [[ it's a faily early core-dev application, but warranted ]] received from tumbleweed [19:56] +1 [19:56] +1 received from stgraber [19:57] +1 [19:57] +1 received from cody-somerville [19:58] #endvote [19:58] Voting ended on: Core Dev Application - xnox [19:58] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:58] Motion carried [19:58] xnox: congrats! [19:58] * xnox \0/ [19:58] added to the team [19:58] xnox: congrats. now you can help bring down the sponsorship backlog :P [19:59] * xnox goes to break^W make ubuntu better ;) [19:59] sure, I can now do sponsorship [19:59] #topic Select a chair for the next meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Select a chair for the next meeting [19:59] * xnox votes barry [20:00] can't remember, do we also do alphabetical order of IRC nicks like the TB? [20:00] if so, it should be tumbleweed [20:00] IIRC, we do alphabetical on full names [20:00] alphabetical on first name [20:00] I was the last chair [20:00] ok, that's barry then [20:01] #action barry to chair the next DMB meeting [20:01] ACTION: barry to chair the next DMB meeting [20:01] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [20:01] Meeting ended Mon Jun 18 20:01:06 2012 UTC. [20:01] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-18-19.03.moin.txt [20:01] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-18-19.03.html [20:01] thank you everyone [20:01] almost on time :) [20:01] we should go reverse after barry ;) [20:01] bdrung: yeah right :) [20:02] xnox: how is the gui of gnome-disks named? gnome-disks: command not found [20:05] bdrung: in unity dash search for 'disks' [20:06] in precise i think it plymptest thing [20:06] let me find [20:06] palimpsest [20:07] stgraber: yeah that [20:07] * xnox can't understand wtf palimpsest suppose to mean [20:07] * xnox does a little dance