[14:15] <cnd> good morning
[14:15] <cnd> dandrader, bregma: standups :)
[14:16] <dandrader> started working on greedy windows feature for unity compiz
[14:16] <bregma> I'm not doing much touch work right now
[14:16] <cnd> I'm going to try to get the old utouch-frame code removed, it was blocked on the xorg-gtest include header namespace changes
[14:16] <cnd> bregma, ok, does it make sense to end daily standups here?
[14:17] <bregma> probably
[14:17] <cnd> dandrader and I already do another standup elsewhere
[14:17] <cnd> ok
[14:17] <dandrader> yeah, I don't see a problem
[14:17] <bregma> I still hang around tough, just highlight me if you need me
[14:17] <dandrader> RIP utouch daily stand up meetings
[14:17] <cnd> yep
[14:17] <cnd> :)
[14:18]  * bregma cues Carole King music
[14:19] <tvoss> good morning
[14:19] <tvoss> back from vacation
[14:19] <tvoss> catching up with mail
[14:20] <cnd> tvoss, good morning :)
[14:21]  * bregma cues marching bad music
[14:22] <Satoris> The standup is dead, long live the standup.
[14:24] <dandrader> :)
[14:26] <bregma> gods damn it now I have James Taylor's cover of Carole King's "You've Got a friend" running through my head
[14:26] <bregma> last time this happened it took days to recover
[14:26] <bregma> I don;t even _like_ that music
[14:45] <dandrader> cnd, I need to recognize a double tap with 3 fingers. should the application do it or should grail do it?
[14:45] <dandrader> (double-tap recognition)
[14:46] <cnd> dandrader, grail can't detect a double-tap
[14:46] <cnd> the application needs to do the detection like double-click detection
[14:47] <dandrader> cnd, you mean that applications do the double-click recognition themselves and not the toolkit?
[14:48] <cnd> dandrader, the toolkit does, yes
[14:48] <cnd> so here, nux could have double-tap recognition
[14:48] <dandrader> ah, good idea
[14:48] <cnd> it should be a simple timer setup
[14:49] <dandrader> it's simple, that's for sure
[18:23] <cnd> dandrader|lunch, if you get a minute, please review https://code.launchpad.net/~chasedouglas/utouch-frame/remove-v1/+merge/110880
[18:54] <dandrader> cnd, on it now
[18:54] <cnd> thanks
[20:56] <cnd> dandrader|afk, bregma, fyi, ginn has been removed from the desktop seed for quantal
[20:56] <cnd> it should be off the isos after a the meta-packages are updated
[20:56] <cnd> and demoted to universe
[21:01] <dandrader> cnd, ok
[21:02] <dreamon> Hello. Want to use utouch for ubuntu 12.04. hardware is a wetab-tablet pc. added ppa:utouch-team/utouch and installed utouch. but nothing cant see any usage.
[21:06] <dreamon> can anyone help me?
[21:08] <dandrader> dreamon, you don't have to install utouch from the ppa. Ubuntu 12.04 already has it
[21:08] <dreamon> ohhhh
[21:10] <dreamon> what can I do to make it work. want 2finger scrolling.. and right click by touch.. and sizing windows.
[21:10] <dandrader> dreamon, have you seen this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/
[21:10] <dreamon> on 11.10 I used twofing.
[21:11] <dandrader> dreamon, also, have you checked your settings in "System Settings" -> "Mouse and touchpad" -> Touchpad tab
[21:12] <dreamon> yes I did. but dont now how to handle it
[21:12] <dandrader> dreamon, ah, you want two-finger scrolling with you touchscreen, not a touchpad, right?
[21:12] <dreamon> there is no touchpad tab, only a mouse tab
[21:12] <dreamon> right not touchpad.. I use a tablet pc
[21:15] <dandrader> ok, then I don't really know the status of this, but I think that will depend on what toolkit each application uses and whether that toolkit (gtk, qt, etc) has this 2-finger scrolling implemented.
[21:16] <dreamon> hmm.. twofing worked on every application..
[21:16] <dandrader> for trackpads, yes
[21:16] <dandrader> because it's done by the synaptics driver in the X server
[21:18] <dandrader> but for touch events coming from a touch screen, those touches go directly to the applications and then it's up to the apps to decide what they wanna do with it
[21:18] <dandrader> those apps can use, for instance, utouch-geis to derive gestures from those touches
[21:20] <dreamon> how can I test if utouch work ?
[21:21] <dandrader> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Testing
[21:21] <dandrader> notice that 3 and 4 finger gestures are consumed by Unity (the window manager)
[21:22] <dandrader> so on your tests (if you're running Unity as your wm), you will be able to get only 2-touch gestures
[21:22] <dandrader> dreamon, if a 4-fingers tap brings up unity's dash it means utouch is working on your tablet
[21:23] <dandrader> or if you can move windows using 3 fingers
[21:23] <dreamon> started geisview any touch brings only a lot off 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0
[21:24] <dreamon> http://www.wetab.eas-impact.de/index.php?site=forum_topic&topic=7&ws_session=c5112090f3445d30e093c9522117b151
[21:24] <dreamon> This guy tould it would work.
[21:25] <dandrader> well, I can't read german. but that was late 2010. no need to add ppas by now
[21:26] <dreamon> He told to install package hid-dkms and hid-egalax-dkms
[21:26] <dreamon> but could not find it.
[21:27] <dandrader> dreamon, one thing is switching to a virtual terminal (ctlr + alt + f1) and using "xinput test ..." to see if you're getting proper touch events out of your x server
[21:29] <dreamon> (ctrl+alt+f1) -> xinput test brigt unable to connect to server
[21:29] <dreamon> brigt brings.
[21:31] <dandrader> export DISPLAY=:0.0
[21:33] <dreamon> Ok. what parameter needs xinput?
[21:34] <dandrader> actually nevermind :) , xinput won't get any output from a within vt, you gotta do it from a regular terminal emulator
[21:36] <dreamon> sry.. my english is not as good as it should be.. ;)
[21:36] <dreamon> Ok so I will go back to ctrl alt f7 and go in terminal
[21:43] <dreamon> xinput list -> eGalax Inc. USB TouchController id=9
[21:43] <dreamon> may this help?
[21:51] <dandrader> the general idea is to first identify what's your multitouch device and then to "xinput test-xi2 [ID]"
[21:51] <dandrader> then you lay 3 fingers on the screen
[21:51] <dandrader> you will get a lot of output
[21:52] <dandrader> and would check if you got a "touch begin" and a "touch end" for three different touches
[21:52] <dandrader> the "detail" property is the unique touch id
[21:52] <dreamon> use ID 9 .. and there is a lot of data scrolling.. when I touch the display
[21:53] <dandrader> so that you known that your device is really sending a stream of touch events for each individual finger you laid on the screen
[21:53] <dandrader> but browsing through that huge stream of data can be a pain
[21:54] <dandrader> if that's ok then the problem really is in the applications side (i.e. what gui toolkits do with those touch events)
[21:54] <dreamon> i touch with one finger.. can see a begin update and end.
[21:55] <dandrader> but if the xinput test-xi2 check is successful gestures in Unity really should work.
[21:55] <dreamon> no touch again one finger.. see begin update.. and now touching with second finger.. it scrolls again. But cant read anymore.. its to fast
[21:57] <dreamon> I'm not sure if he is notice the second finger.. I think the mousepointer is simply jumping between both positions
[22:11] <dandrader> dreamon, the mouse pointer is one thing, the touch events are another
[22:13] <dreamon> It dont work. the second finger is not recognized as an other finger.
[22:15] <dreamon> think we should stop for today. it really late and stormy weather comes up.
[22:15] <dandrader> dreamon, ok then the problem is that your touchscreen hardware is either not multitouch capable or its linux driver doesn't have multitouch support
[22:16] <dandrader> sure
[22:18] <dreamon> some guy wrote there is a driver called : eGTouch_v1.01.1014.L-x.tar.gz
[22:18] <dreamon> tomorrow I will give it a another try.
[22:18] <dreamon> Thanks a lot for your help.