[06:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:12] <directhex> oh, how unexpected
[07:12] <directhex> latest bastion build seems to work happily on my laptop (intel graphics)
[07:13] <ali1234> gamepad works for me too
[07:13] <directhex> well, "happily". performance sucks, but intel.
[07:13] <ali1234> but it has an unexpected side effect: it doesn't disable the screen saver
[07:13] <directhex> oh? hah!
[07:13] <ali1234> so when you use gamepad, you have to push the muse every 10 minutes or the monitor turns off
[07:13] <directhex> i'll bring it up
[07:14] <ali1234> gamepad is much better to play with anyway. it's almost impossible to run diagonal with wasd and you fall off the map all the time :/
[07:14] <directhex> how's the rest of the bundle treating you, bugwise?
[07:14] <ali1234> pretty good
[07:15] <ali1234> only lone survivor seems to have anything seriously wrong with it
[07:15] <ali1234> it is at least playable though with a fast computer
[07:16] <ali1234> the only other thing that gave me any trouble at all was limbo, that was fixed by using distro wine instead of the packaged up version
[07:16] <directhex> couldn't get sword & sworcery to work at all :/
[07:16] <ali1234> really? works fine for me
[07:16] <directhex> just garbage on screen instead of textures
[07:16] <ali1234> odd. it's SDL and all the textures are PNG
[07:16] <ali1234> and it uses opengl... so i don't really see how they could mess that up
[07:17] <ali1234> meh, just listen to the soundtrack
[07:17] <ali1234> if you watch the trailer for it you've seen the whole game anyway
[07:18] <directhex> lol
[07:20] <directhex> wouldn't bother with psychonauts until bug 5544 is closed
[07:20] <directhex> er, icculus bug 5544, not launchpad
[07:21] <ali1234> er... actually, i haven't
[07:21] <ali1234> is it a bad one?
[07:21] <directhex> psychonauts? no, it's great. and the only AAA title in the bundle. but the linux port is... a bit premature
[07:22] <ali1234> no i mean the bug
[07:23] <ali1234> basically "missing cutscenes"
[07:23] <directhex> missing textures.
[07:23] <directhex> they're used heavily in that entire level
[07:23] <ali1234> that means i get to download another 4GB .deb from launchpad
[07:23] <directhex> but most noticably right at the start
[07:23] <directhex> ali1234, this is why real packages have -common and -bin separately!
[07:23] <ali1234> i know, i said as much myself!
[07:24] <directhex> partly because debian lacks binary package diff support
[07:24] <ali1234> or maybe i just thought it
[07:27] <ali1234> there's loads of minor packaging bugs... like the giant meat boy icon aand the typos in limbo description
[07:27] <ali1234> but they're trivial really
[07:27] <ali1234> not worth putting out a new package for them
[07:28] <ali1234> and even after the recent update for limbo it still won't run with the packaged wine
[07:50] <daubers> Morning people of the interwebs
[07:55] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:56] <dwatkins> a perfect day for cycling
[07:56] <daubers> Or roasting raw flesh over burning hot charcoal
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[07:58] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:58] <daubers> AlanBell: I think we're missing a trick with Amateur Radio Rallys and promoting FOSS
[07:59] <daubers> Did one in Newbury for the Reading Hackspace yesterday and we had more interest then their radio station
[08:33] <diplo> Morning all
[08:35] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[08:35] <dwatkins> daubers: I assume you've seen the applications for RTLSDR TV tuners with radio signals
[08:37] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:37] <dwatkins> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_radio for the curious/uninitiated
[08:37] <dwatkins> and good morning czajkowski :)
[08:38] <czajkowski> how are we all this lovely sunny monday morning
[08:39] <AlanBell> awesome!
[08:40]  * AlanBell is using gnome-session-fallback today
[08:40] <bigcalm> Sun burnt!
[08:40] <DJones> bigcalm: In the UK? Can't be, are you sure it isn't rust
[08:40] <bigcalm> I'll see if it'll wash off later
[08:40] <czajkowski> bigcalm: eh how are you sun bburtn!
[08:40] <czajkowski> *burnt
[08:40]  * Laney zzzzzzzz
[08:41] <czajkowski> Laney: know the feeling! :/
[08:41] <Laney> last night my girlfriend and I found a drunk guy passed out on the street, in the pouring rain
[08:41] <Laney> cue an hour trying to get him home
[08:41] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I went on a ramble with the Disabled Ramblers that my parents are members off. Equal parts drizzle, grey skies, heavy rain and sun shine
[08:41] <AlanBell> it wasn't me
[08:41] <Laney> he looked a bit like Jamie Oliver!
[08:41] <czajkowski> Laney: aww that was nice of ye
[08:42] <Laney> well, in the end he ran away in the opposite direction :(
[08:42] <bigcalm> Really you were trying to kidnap drunk people
[08:43] <czajkowski> Laney: still at least you tried
[08:43] <czajkowski> he probably wasn't used to people being nice to him
[08:43] <czajkowski> bigcalm: again it wsn't that sunny how did you get burnt!
[08:44] <gord> there was like 15 minutes of sunshine over the weekend
[08:44] <gord> i ninja'd out the lawn mower and got the lawn done, but still not enough to get sunburnt
[08:45] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I think I was unlucky :)
[08:45] <czajkowski> indeed
[08:45] <daubers> dwatkins: No.....?
[08:46] <Laney> it is sunny right now :-)
[08:47]  * czajkowski is in Canonical HQ their new office
[08:47] <czajkowski> rather nice
[08:47]  * AlanBell will have to come visit that soon
[08:51] <diplo> At 2004 F1 GP it was cloudy the whole weekend, my face basically turned into a blister because i thought like you czajkowski
[08:51] <diplo> Still can get burnt if it's cloudy, don't need bright blue skys
[08:52] <czajkowski> what is F1 GP in english ?
[08:52] <diplo> I have hidden the photos I was that bad, a blister on my nose the size of a 50p peice
[08:52] <diplo> Formula 1 Grand Prix
[08:52] <diplo> So what ever the weather now, always take sun cream out if we are on walks
[08:52] <diplo> :)
[08:53] <czajkowski> well mate wears factor 50 always as she's so fair she burns far too easily and there is skin cancer in her family
[08:53] <czajkowski> me on the other hand needs temperatures of over 30+
[08:53] <diplo> I think I just shy away from it now :(
[09:02] <czajkowski> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BNaVG9DoVOc/T97n7nrcQSI/AAAAAAAAEOM/-tOa670NozU/s928/Screenshot+from+2012-06-18+09%3A32%3A33.png  todays desktop :) oh so cute
[09:03] <mattt> diplo: i'm paranoid too, always wear sun screen
[09:04] <diplo> 2 x young boys seems to have brought me more with it as well
[09:15] <mattt> where is the new canonical office btw ?
[09:21] <diplo> 5th Floor, Blue Fin Building
[09:21] <diplo> 110 Southwark Street
[09:22] <ahayzen> diplo: Behind Tate Modern?
[09:23] <bigcalm> Ooo, the sun has brought out the freckles on the back of my hands
[09:23] <bigcalm> I'm turning into my mother
[09:24] <BigRedS> oh, I used to work across the road from there!
[09:24] <BigRedS> the building that currently has no walls on Lavington Street, that's where I was
[09:35] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[09:35] <diplo> Anyone know of finding out what encoding has been used on a video from the CLI ?
[09:35] <ali1234> mplayer
[09:36] <diplo> kk, taking a look ta
[09:39] <Guest89192> what
[09:40] <diplo> Cheers ali1234, obscure command I found but worked.
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> diplo: ffmpeg -i can tell you
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> diplo: or mplayer -identify
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> diplo: or exiftool
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> diplo: if you want a less obscure command next time :)
[09:56] <mgdm> 'file' generally isn't too far off
[09:56] <mgdm> and works for more than just video
[10:00] <diplo> File didn't show anything really
[10:00] <diplo> Sorry was making teas etc :)
[10:00] <diplo> I didn't try identify on it's own..
[10:00] <diplo> Though exif was just for pics, shows how much I know
[10:00] <Flashtek> o/
[10:05] <davmor2> morning all
[10:06] <diplo> exiftool didn't work but ffmpeg/mplayer did ta
[10:06] <diplo> Morning :)
[10:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:23] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: Eaten many Israeli spy/assassins recently
[10:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude, just playing catchup with twitter/FB
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> diplo: exif is usually for pictures, exiftool can read lots of metadata from lots of formats (not just EXIF)
[10:27] <mattt> BigRedS: i love that area
[10:27] <mattt> but glad i don't work there, i'd spend too much at that market :)
[10:27] <BigRedS> Yeah, used to love being able to wander over to the tate for lunch
[10:28] <BigRedS> I didn't go to the market much, thinking about it. Used to go to the weekly bike meet there but that was in the evening when it was closed
[10:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: nutter ;)
[10:30] <bigcalm> 1.5 hours left to my day \o/
[10:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: if I'd of caught that post I'd of gone through the whole gambit of "I'm dying here......" not surprised if you're trying eat a member of hammas
[10:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: Sciving git
[10:30] <MooDoo> lol
[10:31] <czajkowski> davmor2: HELLO!!!
[10:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: off to Telford Crematorium
[10:31] <BigRedS> Hummus?
[10:31] <directhex> humerous
[10:31] <davmor2> BigRedS: you'd need to see his post
[10:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: Ah I don't envy your sciving then
[10:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: though that would be the case
[10:32] <bigcalm> The sun is shining at the moment, maybe it'll stay like that
[10:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: Hello 'Ow be you
[10:32] <bigcalm> I should iron a shirt
[10:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: big red sky last night, though that seems to mean nothing nowadays
[10:33] <czajkowski> davmor2: not bad now yerself?
[10:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm no shepherd
[10:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: You must be I'm sure I heard you say get the flock out of here several times ;)
[10:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: not too bad
[10:35]  * bigcalm tuts
[10:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: well you're a shepherd or a seamstress and you said frock I could be wrong though
[10:50] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/
[10:51] <bigcalm> Ooo
[10:51] <BigRedS> Oooh
[10:52]  * BigRedS warns the chickens
[10:52] <bigcalm> I shall tease Hayley with it, but our fun budget is rather stretched at the moment with RAT and oggcamp
[10:52] <czajkowski> hide the iron
[10:52] <bigcalm> :D
[10:53] <bigcalm> Maybe we should move to the south and be closer to all the fun and excitement
[10:53] <ahayzen> czajkowski: Don't let popey near the iron and trampoline again
[10:53] <bigcalm> But it was fun
[10:54] <ahayzen> :)
[10:55] <AlanBell> that video got some tips from a "Pro" extreme ironer
[10:55] <ahayzen> the iron to board ratio was quite poor lol
[10:56] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5smhy9OB-CM
[10:58] <bigcalm> Staple Fabian?
[11:03] <davmor2> popey: that pink hat is most becoming
[11:05] <diplo> Should all email modules be in ubuntu for Python as default
[11:06] <diplo> Just teaching myself some python and importing email/smtplib comes with different errors on most basic email script
[11:12] <diplo> Bah, found it...
[11:12] <davmor2> diplo: I know there is a python-mailer iirc the name that make sending mail easy but I though it was mostly in the core modules
[11:13] <diplo> yeah it is
[11:13] <diplo> New to python, don't know names etc.. import smtplib imports email
[11:13] <diplo> And my filename was email.py
[11:13] <diplo> So it broke it
[11:13] <diplo> :(
[11:13] <davmor2> haha
[11:14] <diplo> I wasn't feeling very good at naming things this morning I guess :(
[11:14] <davmor2> diplo: I always add test_ to the front of any script I'm playing with and then name it the thing it does afterwards
[11:15] <diplo> testmail.py now :)
[11:15] <diplo> I normally name mine quite well, kids up last night and then still got up at an ungodly hour this morning
[11:15] <diplo> Brain takes till early afternoon to kick in
[11:15] <davmor2> diplo: so sending_emails.py, reading_emails.py for example
[11:15] <BigRedS> davmor2: version control! :)
[11:16] <diplo> yeah I'd say most of mine are as well
[11:16] <BigRedS> I have git repos all over my filesystems...
[11:16] <diplo> socket.error: [Errno 111] Connection refused
[11:16] <diplo> lol
[11:16] <davmor2> BigRedS: shockingly I use bzr
[11:16] <diplo> I swear I shouldn't be doing this today
[11:16] <diplo> Might give up and come back to it
[11:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151046562652619&amp;set=a.493702077618.299966.645502618&amp;type=1 this just had me in stitches and seeing you're BBQ post at the same time I thought you might want to have a look too :D
[11:25] <BigRedS> davmor2: ah, yeah, I just meant any sort of version control, though. I try to not get into those sorts of arguments :)
[11:26] <AlanBell> davmor2: I can't see that
[11:27] <davmor2> AlanBell: hang on
[11:29] <davmor2> AlanBell: http://ubuntuone.com/6gt0itZ5myMlzyHSZvQPwD
[11:29] <AlanBell> yeah, thats about right :)
[11:29] <diplo> Was BBQ weather yesterday!
[11:29] <diplo> Well apart from the odd few spots of rain :D
[11:30] <AlanBell> how do I get people to take any notice of bugs I file and attach patches to?
[11:30] <AlanBell> bug 930783 for example
[11:31] <gord> AlanBell, don't attach patches, create merge requests
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Won't 1ms polling loops hog the battery though?
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[11:31] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: apparently not
[11:32] <gord> 1ms doesn't make any sense, it should be 1000/refreshrate
[11:32] <AlanBell> well I don't really know, the compiz people told me there was no performance hit
[11:33] <AlanBell> gord: I originally suggested 15ms as that is just below 1000/60 but the compiz people said it wouldn't actually poll more than once per frame loop anyhow
[11:34] <AlanBell> anyhow 40ms is horrid, less than 15 is smooth as a cashmere codpiece
[11:35] <ali1234> heh, bzr fails at handling patches
[11:36] <ali1234> honestly, expecting someone to jump through the hoops of setting up a full launchpad account and bzr for a one line patch really takes the cake
[11:37] <BigRedS> surely there's some fancy-pants web-ui for it on launchpad?
[11:37] <ali1234> there is, after you have set it all up
[11:37] <BigRedS> oh
[11:37] <BigRedS> it's not that hard to set up an account, though?
[11:37] <ali1234> basically what happens is
[11:38] <BigRedS> I did it ages ago, seemed no worse than any other bugtracker
[11:38] <AlanBell> well I am fine with it being in bzr
[11:38] <gord> using a merge request just gets more visibility
[11:38] <ali1234> alanbell would have to sign up for launchpad, then register his machine with launchad access, upload a ssh key, create a fork of compiz
[11:38] <AlanBell> creating the patch was lots harder than doing a bzr thing
[11:38] <gord> bugs are not a good method of submitting code.
[11:38] <ali1234> then apply this patch to his fork: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92637773/smoother-mouse.patch
[11:38] <ali1234> notice it only changes two characters
[11:39] <ali1234> then he can bzr push his change to his private compiz repo
[11:39] <ali1234> then he goes to lanchpad website and makes a pull request, filling in all the same information he already wrote in a bug report
[11:39] <ali1234> then finally gord (or whoever) sees that and just clicks merge
[11:39] <ali1234> alternatively that person could just change those two characters themselves
[11:40] <BigRedS> yeah, that's not what I meant by 'fancy-pants web-ui' :)
[11:40] <ali1234> the merge request is all handled by the web ui on launchpad
[11:41] <ali1234> basically gord is telling alanbell to do a tonne of extra work so that the maintainers only need to click a button on a web ui rather than actually edit the two characters themselves
[11:41] <BigRedS> I meant more a form where you upload a patch and fill in a form saying what and why
[11:41] <gord> no, i'm saying doing a merge request is more visible
[11:41] <ali1234> yeah that exists
[11:41] <BigRedS> 'cause most of those steps are the sort of tedium computers are supposed to do
[11:42] <ali1234> BigRedS: but you can't just upload a patch, you have to upload an entire bzr fork of the code
[11:42] <gord> you can upload a patch
[11:42] <gord> no one is saying you can't upload a patch
[11:43] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/ubuntu/quantal/compiz-plugins-main/fix930783/+merge/110785
[11:43] <ali1234> BigRedS: see that URL ^
[11:44] <ali1234> it has a "proposed branch"
[11:44] <AlanBell> the merge request thing does require you to know which branch to branch from and put back to, which I *think* is the quantal one
[11:44] <gord> AlanBell, wrong branch, you are proposing against the ubuntu packaging branch
[11:44] <AlanBell> woot
[11:45] <ali1234> lol
[11:45] <ali1234> this totally isn't a load of pointless extra work
[11:45] <AlanBell> so what should I do?
[11:45] <AlanBell> the precise branch?
[11:45] <ali1234> send the patch to the person who actually knows which branch it is supposed to go on
[11:45] <ali1234> oh wait you already did that
[11:45] <ali1234> it's almost as if you *don't want* people to fix things
[11:47] <gord> ali1234, lp:compiz
[11:47] <gord> AlanBell,
[11:47] <AlanBell> huh
[11:48] <AlanBell> why not lp:compiz-plugins-main ?
[11:48] <gord> there was some work a few weeks back to merge all the different compiz branches
[11:48] <TheFred> hello
[11:50] <ali1234> so is compiz 0.9 now officially only maintained on launchpad?
[11:52] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/compiz/fix30783/+merge/110791
[12:16] <popey> ali1234: i dont think anyone other than us is working on compiz
[12:17] <ali1234> that's not true, i got a patch in to compiz stable the other day
[12:17] <popey> i mean, the 0.9 series
[12:18] <ali1234> um well nobody else is working on that because... nobody else is using it
[12:18] <ali1234> however that's not the point
[12:18]  * SuperMatt nods at this
[12:18] <ali1234> 0.9 is officially hosted on compiz.org git
[12:18] <SuperMatt> I wouldn't be surprised if compiz is gone by the next lts
[12:18] <ali1234> the work done in launchpad is supposed to be mirrored there according to the project updates
[12:19] <oimon> SuperMatt, replaced by what?
[12:20] <SuperMatt> well, why is compiz actually required? can't most of the features be coded into unity?
[12:20] <ali1234> let me put it another way: has canonical forked compiz and not bothered to rename it?
[12:20] <popey> no, we're using 0.9
[12:20] <oimon> i thought compiz was actually re-written from scratch, so not even a fork :P
[12:20] <SuperMatt> I mean, the most I use it for is a hotspot for scale, but gnome shell has that, I don't see why unity can't follow
[12:20] <popey> it was ported to c++ in 0.9
[12:21] <oimon> i'm using xcompmgr atm.
[12:24] <oimon> haven't experienced the lockups or crashes that i had under compiz
[12:25] <AlanBell> so with that compiz thing, I did a merge request for lp:compiz, that isn't the thing that is in Ubuntu, it isn't the upstream, it isn't Debian. Why did I do it there?
[12:25] <popey> it effectively is the upstream
[12:27] <AlanBell> so a merge will sync back to http://gitweb.compiz.org/?p=compiz/plugins-main;a=summary ?
[12:28] <ali1234> "maybe"
[12:29] <ali1234> see eg http://lists.compiz.org/pipermail/dev/2012-January/001536.html
[12:29] <ali1234> http://lists.compiz.org/pipermail/dev/2012-January/001537.html
[12:32] <ali1234> AlanBell: hence my question about forking
[12:33] <ali1234> only canonical works on 0.9. but all the upstream compiz developers are still working on 0.8 because it's much better
[12:34] <ali1234> now there is supposed to be regular pushes of 0.9 to compiz.org but a) that seems to have stopped happening and b) since it's a total rewrite it's a totally different repo anyway
[12:34] <ali1234> so we have two totally different code bases in totally different revision control systems on different websites, worked on by a totally different set of people
[12:34] <ali1234> and the only thing the two projects has in common is they both have the same name
[12:35] <ali1234> which means 0.9 is now effectively a fork
[12:36] <AlanBell> nice
[12:36] <AlanBell> what does debian use?
[12:36] <ali1234> of course it doesn't matter because SuperMatt is right. compiz is dead because of wayland
[12:36] <ali1234> debian uses like 0.4 or something
[12:37] <brobostigon> !info compiz unstable
[12:37] <ali1234> there you go. 0.8
[12:37] <ali1234> distrowatch can tell you what compiz every distro uses on one handy page...
[12:38]  * AlanBell observes other people doing merge requests to packaging branches https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/compiz-plugins-main
[12:38] <ali1234> how can you even tell?
[12:38] <AlanBell> I do see your points about launchpad being confusing compared to github
[12:39] <AlanBell> well maybe they were intentionally done against those branches
[12:39] <ali1234> i don't really see any problems with launchpad, i mean having loads of branches is always going to get confusing
[12:40] <AlanBell> it is confusing having multiple places to file bugs and submit patches and merge requests
[12:40] <AlanBell> with nobody looking at it when you get the wrong one
[12:41] <ali1234> yeah that is poor
[12:41] <ali1234> but you know the reason nobody is looking at bugs is because everyone files bugs and nobody files merge requests
[12:41] <ali1234> if it were the other way around, you'd have to file a bug to get noticed
[12:42] <ali1234> of course nobody files merge requests because it has a significantly higher barrier to entry - namely the need to use bzr and ssh keys
[12:43] <popey> AlanBell: where is your change? and what is it?
[12:43] <ali1234> "it's on launchpad"
[12:43] <popey> (my team work on compiz)
[12:44] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/compiz/fix30783/+merge/110791
[12:44] <AlanBell> and a patch on the related bug
[12:44] <AlanBell> and I did some patches on other bugs relating to compiz
[12:45] <AlanBell> bug
[12:45] <AlanBell> Low
[12:45] <AlanBell> Triaged
[12:45] <popey> feel free to throw them my way
[12:45] <AlanBell> bug #930786
[12:46] <AlanBell> I will do more now I know about lp:compiz
[12:48]  * lazarus_ wants toget rid of xbox
[12:48] <dogmatic69> how can I see what the launcher icon is running?
[12:51] <popey>  /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[12:51] <popey> look in that
[12:52] <dogmatic69> popey: thanks, that is it
[13:00] <diplo> http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=10923
[13:00] <diplo> Blimey : Linux users: please see the help pages for installer links.
[13:00] <diplo> :)
[13:00] <diplo> At least they notice now
[13:01] <diplo> But using Silverlight sucks :)
[13:03] <Flashtek> life ?
[13:15] <edd_> irc.semantico.net
[13:26] <dogmatic69> I have a server that has ~/ encrypted
[13:26] <dogmatic69> for the last few days while I am logged in it unmounts
[13:26] <dogmatic69> how is this possible / what is happening
[13:29] <dogmatic69> look at the strange things it is doing http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1914950397
[13:34] <diplo> I know nowt about Encryption, It's why I steer clear at the moment
[13:35] <diplo> But something does look kinda odd, checked through any lofs to see if any errors are in any of them ?
[14:05] <AlanBell> anyone got an opinion on trac vs redmine?
[14:07] <diplo> I've not used either, but when i was looking I'm sure i preffered Redmine.. but can't remember reasons
[14:07] <diplo> So really I should have just not responded :D
[14:08] <christel> AlanBell: what's the ubuntu uk bbq date
[14:08] <AlanBell> 28th July
[14:08] <christel> also did you see that the SLUG BBQ coincides with the RAT date? (but finishes at 5 so before RAT departure)
[14:08] <AlanBell> I didn't, where are they doing that?
[14:09] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/
[14:09] <christel> at that johnw guys house
[14:09] <BigRedS> Redmine's RoR isn't it?
[14:10] <AlanBell> I believe it is, but I don't need to care about that as it is in the repos
[14:10] <diplo> yeah i think it is BigRedS
[14:10] <diplo> Sure someone in here recommended it to me
[14:12] <diplo> AlanBell: Did you decide on Nagios / Icinga etc ?
[14:12] <christel> also, are you coming along to the HSS pub-meet thingie tomorrow?
[14:12] <AlanBell> diplo: using nagios
[14:12] <AlanBell> christel: probably
[14:12] <diplo> heh, 'just works' for me pretty much did it
[14:12] <diplo> But may try Icinga sometime soon, guys are really helpful/active in irc channel
[14:13] <AlanBell> I am a bit stuck with installing nagios-nrpe-server on a few centos machines
[14:14] <AlanBell> centos doesn't seem to package anything useful
[14:14] <BigRedS> no, you generally need to use external rpm sources
[14:14] <BigRedS> I can't remember the big one. rpmfind?
[14:14] <christel> cool
[14:15] <BigRedS> 'cause anything in the centos repos is from the RH ones, which is what RH provide commercial support for
[14:15] <BigRedS> (is the reason normally offered)
[14:15] <AlanBell> yeah, something like that BigRedS, it seems very limited in terms of the core repos
[14:15] <BigRedS> yeah, it's another thing that annoys me about RH-flavoured servers
[14:15] <AlanBell> so you end up adding repos that are not in any way trusted and are just installing random code on your servers :(
[14:32] <AlanBell> me czajkowski and christel coming to the BBQ so far
[14:32] <czajkowski> I am going to a BBQ even if it's raining
[14:33] <mattt> BBQ!@
[14:33] <christel> \o/
[14:33] <mgdm> OMGBBQFTW
[14:33]  * mattt puts a burger roll on his head and yells BEEBEEQUEEEE
[14:34] <ahayzen> Hi, I was wondering if there are any requirements for an application before it can become default in Ubuntu...for example does it have to use GConf/GSettings, be accessible, translatable etc...if there are requirements, is there documentation or a wiki that i can refer to? Many thanks, Andy
[14:34] <AlanBell> ahayzen: oh wouldn't it be nice if things had to be accessible to be in Ubuntu :)
[14:34] <ahayzen> :)
[14:35] <AlanBell> ahayzen: basically the decision gets made at the Ubuntu Developer Summit and on various mailing lists
[14:35] <AlanBell> there is a default applications session
[14:35] <diplo> AlanBell: CentOS recommends you use djweers repos
[14:35] <diplo> I've been using them for years
[14:36] <AlanBell> who is djweers?
[14:36]  * mgdm uses EPEL
[14:36] <diplo> heh AlanBell wrong name
[14:36] <mgdm> Oh, dag.wieers.com
[14:36] <mgdm> aka repoforge
[14:36] <mgdm> his packages have some very odd dependencies
[14:36] <ahayzen> AlanBell: so even if an application wasn't using GConf, accessible, translatable ...but was deemed 'better' it could then be set as default?
[14:37] <diplo> http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/
[14:37] <gord> ahayzen, does need to be translatable
[14:37] <AlanBell> ahayzen: it could indeed
[14:37] <diplo> yeah, they have all combined now
[14:37] <ahayzen> interesting
[14:37] <AlanBell> of course that might not help it to be deemed "better"
[14:38] <ahayzen> wasn't Canonical trying to employ someone to create a HIG last year?
[14:41] <ahayzen> Ok... one more question... what things do i, as a Python Gtk developer, have to do to make my application accessible? ... I mean where does Orca etc actually get its information from?
[14:42] <AlanBell> generally GTK applications should work pretty well by default as long as you don't abuse widgets to do unnatural things
[14:42] <AlanBell> in glade you can set accessible strings and hints on bits of user interface if needed
[14:43] <ahayzen> AlanBell: Ok that makes sense.... thanks for your help :)
[14:48] <gord> ahayzen, you need to use python gettext to create translatable strings, its unlikely that all your strings will be in glade files http://docs.python.org/library/gettext.html#gnu-gettext-api
[14:49] <ahayzen> gord: Thanks
[14:50] <ahayzen> gord: Should any extra accessibility strings also be translated? I guess yes?
[14:50] <gord> ahayzen, define extra
[14:50] <ahayzen> eg Hints
[14:51] <ahayzen> that you can define inside GLADE
[14:52] <gord> if you define them inside glade i *think* though don't quote me on it, they will be translatable
[14:53] <ahayzen> gord: i will probably be manually coding it... but i use glade for designing.... it for example the option 'Accessible Name'... this would also have to be translatable correct?
[14:54] <gord> ahayzen, if its a user facing text string, it should be translatable
[14:54] <ahayzen> gord: Ok thanks :)
[15:55] <kvarley> Which renaming tool can I use to do the following: I want to strip a substring from a filename. I.e. filename.hello.jpg -> filename.jpg
[15:55] <mgdm>  /usr/bin/rename
[15:56] <mgdm> kvarley: if you speak regex, that'll do it
[15:56] <kvarley> mgdm: Some things are too easy =]
[15:56] <kvarley> Thanks
[16:02] <jacobw> ok, stupid question time
[16:03]  * AlanBell lines up a stupid answer
[16:03]  * popey lines up an incredible answer
[16:03] <jacobw> i have 4 disks that used to be in raid10, i want to identify two stripes and access them from a machine with 2 drives
[16:05] <daubers> jacobw: mdadm?
[16:05] <jacobw> well, i want to boot the machine with 2 drives as if it was the machine the raid10 came from
[16:05] <daubers> jacobw: was it an mdadm raid?
[16:06] <daubers> (i.e. was it software raid or HW raid?)
[16:06] <jacobw> mdadm
[16:06] <daubers> You should be able to just shove in 2 drives in each machine and run it as a degraded raidset
[16:07] <daubers> (as long as grub was installed correctly on the various disks)
[16:07] <jacobw> i don't which disk was what in the historical raid
[16:07] <daubers> jacobw: Doesn't matter
[16:07] <daubers> they where mirrored
[16:08] <daubers> (the raid 1 bit)
[16:08] <daubers> so it'll start as a degraded raid 10
[16:08] <daubers> (theoretically anyway, try it one way, then change a disk and try again!)
[16:09] <daubers> it won't damage the raid if it can't assemble it
[16:09] <daubers> or assemble one half of the raid 10 anyway
[16:09] <jacobw> so i think that i need both stripes, from either mirror
[16:10] <daubers> yes. But you can do that with trial and error quite quickly, mdadm --detail might give you more info
[16:10] <jacobw> i guess i could just install the disks and try to boot until i hit that combination
[16:10] <daubers> but I've done it in the past using trial and error, with a 4 drive RAID10 you will only need to make one chang
[16:10] <daubers> e
[16:11] <daubers> (at worst)
[16:11] <jacobw> i understand how i can do this now
[16:11] <jacobw> but i don't understand 1 change at worst
[16:12] <daubers> you have 4 disks, that are 2 sets of two (a1 a2 b1 b2) a1 is a mirror of b1 a2 is a mirror of b2, so you need to make either a1 a2 or a1 b2 or b1 b2
[16:12] <jacobw> oh, AA, AB, BA, BB change AA || BB to AB || BA and retest
[16:12] <jacobw> yeah, i see now :)
[16:12] <jacobw> math fail
[16:12] <daubers> :)
[16:13] <ali1234> how do you know you dont have a1 and b1 or a2 and b2
[16:13] <daubers> ali1234: It won't boot
[16:13] <daubers> or won't start the raid
[16:14] <ali1234> so basically you try it, if it doesn't work you reverse them, and if it still doesn't work you give up?
[16:15] <daubers> ali1234: I'd be surprised if it still doesn't work
[16:15] <daubers> If thats the case then your metadata is out of sync.... which bad
[16:15] <daubers> s/bad/is bad
[16:16] <ali1234> why? if you pick 2 disk at random you have 33% chance of getting 2 copies of the dame data
[16:16] <jacobw> yes, without the give up part, there's two cases where it doesn't work and two where it does, the latter two cases can be made in to the one of the former two cases with a single change
[16:16] <daubers> which won't start, so you change one disk in the pair you picked and you should have both parts of the stripe
[16:16] <ali1234> o i see
[16:16] <ali1234> but then you still need to figure out which one is 1 and 2
[16:17] <daubers> mdadm is clever enough to deal with that itself
[16:17] <daubers> (it's in the metadata)
[16:17] <daubers> mdadm --assemble --scan <- normally does the trick
[16:19] <jacobw> i'm going to boot it with a live image to scan until i know what i'm looking at
[16:19] <daubers> jacobw: Sounds like a safe idea :)
[16:20]  * Azelphur is buying this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227706
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> OCZ?
[16:21] <Azelphur> yup
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> scary
[16:21]  * daubers goes home
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> I heard those fail the most
[16:21] <Azelphur> I compared the reviews to the corsair and they have much the same issues
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> I love my Intels
[16:26] <Azelphur> yea but the intels arn't very fast
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> fast enough for me
[16:27] <Azelphur> afaik the intels are like 160MB/sec or something
[16:27] <Azelphur> that OCZ is 500MB/sec
[16:28] <AlanBell> if your controller can handle it
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Sustained Sequential Read: 500 MB/s
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Sustained Sequential Write: 450 MB/s
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Random 4 KB Reads: 22,500 IOPS
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Random 4 KB Writes: 33,000 IOPS
[16:28] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: on an intel? nice
[16:28] <kvarley> Azelphur: I hear the Intels are more reliable, but there are slower and more expensive. The OCZ gets the best overall review in terms of price and performance. It may fail, but you'll get a warranty. AFAIK they aren't that terrible with fails, there are higher failure rate ones out there.
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: intel 330
[16:28] <Azelphur> kvarley: fair enough :)
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: but hard disk! data! scary if it breaks
[16:29] <kvarley> Azelphur: Only other hyped brand out there is the Crucial m4 - that seemed to get a lot of attention.
[16:29] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: SSD  should be for your OS only and backed up onto a HDD IMO =]
[16:29] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I only keep / on the ssd, if it fails it's meh
[16:30] <Azelphur> I accidentally wiped my SSD the other day, the pain of having to reconfigure rsnapshot was about all that annoyed me
[17:15] <AlanBell> directhex: what happened to the kittyview patch?
[17:15] <directhex> don't remember.
[17:15] <directhex> Unity3D 4: with Linux support
[17:15] <directhex> the single most popular mobile game engine will have a button to ship a version for Linux. this is huge!
[17:16] <directhex> "The most requested feature from our community has arrived! Port your standalone desktop indie game to Linux with Unity 4. Linux games are thriving even though the platform is comparatively underserved. The success of distribution initiatives, such as the Humble Indie Bundle and the Ubuntu Software Center, prove that Linux users are happy to pay for games. Linux standalone publishing will be available for all Unity Desktop users at no addi
[17:16] <directhex> tional cost. Take your game to Linux, and an audience eager for high-quality entertainment."
[17:28] <AlanBell> that sounds quite good
[17:34] <ali1234> isn't the most popular mobile game engine "whatever was used to make angry birds"
[17:35] <ali1234> wikpedia says that is SDL and box2d
[17:38] <davmor2> ali1234: Stop already, It is a AAA game engine rather than a port of individual game we could look at loads of games being port across with a minimum fuss to the developers
[17:38] <mgdm> :D
[17:38] <mgdm> errr
[17:44] <AlanBell> ali1234: angry birds was made with the same thing that the flame malware was used as some incompetent journalist pointed out
[17:44] <AlanBell> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/30/powerful-flame-cyberweapon-tied-to-powerfully-angry-birds/
[17:45] <AlanBell> quality reporting from Fox news
[17:48] <Azelphur> hehe I linked that in here the other day
[17:49] <davmor2> AlanBell: did you just use the words Quality and Fox in the same sentence and miss the <sarcasm></sarcasm>! Shame on you, go on hang your head in shame
[17:49] <AlanBell> I figured anything containing the words "fox news" would automatically be considered a joke
[17:54] <davmor2> AlanBell: Shame on you, you know there are new people to the channel they might think you were serious, typing from the floor isn't fun I'm gonna stop laughin' now and sit in my chair ;)
[18:23] <diplo> evening all
[18:40] <mattt> yo diplo
[18:41] <kane1309> hello people
[18:42] <kane1309> who can help me
[18:42] <AlanBell> kane1309: hello
[18:43] <kane1309> do u no how to install minecraft ?
[18:44] <AlanBell> you don't need to install it
[18:45] <AlanBell> just run java -jar minecraft.jar
[18:45] <mattt> bonus
[18:46] <kane1309> ok ty
[18:47] <kane1309> it wont let me
[18:47] <kane1309> it said The file '/home/kanes/Downloads/minecraft.jar' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[18:49] <AlanBell> so launch a terminal
[18:49] <AlanBell> then "cd Downloads"
[18:50] <kane1309> what do i type in the terminal
[18:50] <RaycisCharles> AlanBell, I trust you're watching the Euros?
[18:50] <mattt> RaycisCharles: who's playing now ?
[18:50] <AlanBell> kane1309: one sec, I am surprised by that message
[18:51] <kane1309> ok
[18:51] <kane1309> :s
[18:51] <mattt> kane1309: how did you try running it?  "java -jar minecraft.jar"?
[18:51] <RaycisCharles> mattt: Crotatia vs Spain now, Italy vs ROI later.
[18:52] <mattt> CROTATIA!
[18:52] <kane1309> right clicked minecraft.jar and clicked java running time6
[18:52] <AlanBell> kane1309: so type "cd Downloads" then on the next line "java -jar minecraft.jar"
[18:52] <kane1309> ok
[18:52] <AlanBell> that should not give you that error message and should open a window asking for username and password
[18:52] <DJones> I can confirm that "java -jar minecraft.jar" works for me
[18:53] <kane1309> worked fine thanks guys
[18:54] <kane1309> do i have to do that every time ?
[18:55] <DJones> kane1309: I normally just right click on the file and select open with sun java 6 runtime or Open JDK Java 6 runtime
[18:56] <kane1309> ok
[19:03] <kane1309> is there a way to see my ram and cpu usage ?
[19:04] <brobostigon> top is maybe the simplest.
[19:04] <kane1309> what
[19:04] <brobostigon> or htop
[19:05] <brobostigon> kane1309: open up a terminal. :)
[19:05] <kane1309> ok now what ?
[19:05] <DJones> You can also click the icon in the top left and start typing sysinfo that will bring up a gui app that gives memory info etc
[19:05] <brobostigon> top or htop
[19:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] What are the chances of that? - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/06/18/what-are-the-chances-of-that/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=what-are-the-chances-of-that
[19:19] <directhex> ali1234, [cite]: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/169846/Mobile_game_developer_survey_leans_heavily_toward_iOS_Unity.php
[19:21] <kane1309> whats some good stuff to do on ubuntu
[19:24] <directhex> kane1309, the same stuff you'd do on another OS, i.e. look at pictures of naked people on the internet
[19:24] <danawar2> Hey ubuntu UK if i am sharing internet through this computer and want pepeople to login before using the internet how would i go about doing that?
[19:25] <Azelphur> danawar2: is "this computer" a dedicated router, or are you using it as a computer too?
[19:25] <directhex> danawar2, what did you have in mind? a shared password, per-account WPA passwords (may not be supported on many devices), or an unencrypted connection with a captive portal?
[19:25] <directhex> (i.e. like they have at coffee shops)
[19:25] <kane1309> whats some good stuff to do on ubuntu
[19:25] <danawar2> I use it as a computer
[19:25] <kane1309> ops wrong button
[19:25] <kane1309> i ment lol
[19:25] <Azelphur> that makes it a world more difficult :p
[19:25] <daubers> directhex: pictures? That's so 1990
[19:26] <daubers> 's
[19:26] <kane1309> lol
[19:26] <danawar2> I just want to return a page instead of port 80 traffic
[19:26] <danawar2> And nice to see you again Azelphur you got a job yet? :D
[19:26] <directhex> danawar2, okay, captive portal then
[19:26] <Azelphur> nope :)
[19:27] <danawar2> Captive portal sounds like the ideal solution! :D
[19:27] <danawar2> Just fixing my computer after unity broke every thing lol
[19:27] <directhex> danawar2, doing it on the same system you use as your regular computer looks hellish though
[19:29] <Azelphur> ^ my thoughts exactly
[19:29] <jacobw> danawar2: what kind of NICs do have?
[19:29] <Azelphur> if you want fancy stuff like captive portals, it's pretty much time to go the way of a dedicated route
[19:30] <danawar2> Internet is shared on the lan i get internet over wirless
[19:30] <jacobw> where's your default route to?
[19:30] <danawar2> Dont know what you mean by default route
[19:31] <Azelphur> lol, virgin media are using success kid for advertising. http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421457_3239518704428_1160606287_33453700_464762643_n.jpg
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: OAG made a new video
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: speaking of memes :)
[19:52] <Azelphur> OAG?
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xujhimh5eWs --  you'll recognise her
[19:53] <Azelphur> oh noes, overly attached girlfriend
[19:53]  * Azelphur runs
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: the song she sings today is pretty stalkery
[19:53] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:56] <Azelphur> creepy song is creepy
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: We live in a time of great memes ;)
[19:59] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> heh: http://i.imgur.com/stlNf.png
[20:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:01] <danawar2> http://77.100.69.178/pics/creepy
[20:01] <danawar2> i paused it and got that O.o
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> danawar2: that's nothing :)
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> danawar2: check out the gallery here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/overly-attached-girlfriend
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> (some might not be suitable for family viewing, etc.)
[20:03] <danawar2> hehe
[20:15] <kane1309> how do u guys remember what to type in the terminal
[20:16] <mgdm> I think it has a large amount to do with being not quite normal :P
[20:16] <kane1309> ?
[20:17] <mgdm> (more seriously - I do most of my work in terminals, you get to remember things you do a lot)
[20:17] <kane1309> ohh
[20:17] <kane1309> whats some good things to do in ubuntu
[20:22] <jacobw> kane1309: vim coolnewapp.py
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: the OS comes "batteries included", you mean?
[20:23] <kane1309> jacobw do i put that in terminal
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> kane1309: that's "vim" (an editor) with one argument (a file: coolnewapp.py -- that probably doesn't exist yet)
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> kane1309: but yes, it's one thing you'd type into a termianl
[20:24] <kane1309> oh
[20:24] <jacobw> kane1309: vim is just a command line text editor, you can also use gedit or something similar
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> it's all "verb noun noun noun" :)
[20:24] <jacobw> kane1309: .py is the file extension typically associated with python
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> (ls -l = l;ist files, long mode)
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> ("man ls" for possible options and their meanings; man = manual)
[20:25] <jacobw> kane1309: python the language most assoicated with ubuntu
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> "man man" for a manual on the manual
[20:25] <jacobw> `woman man` for a man on the man without out man :P
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ jacobw
[20:27] <kane1309> i have a old pc i found in my loft and it had no os system on it so i put ubuntu on it how do i found out if its any good or if its shit
[20:28] <jacobw> i think i scared off davmor2 :o
[20:28] <jacobw> kane1309: linux is just fun, if you like to learn how things work and make new things
[20:29] <kane1309> what u mean jaco
[20:31] <jacobw> kane1309: if you want to learn about programming or networking, then linux is the OS for most hardware
[20:46] <davmor2> Final super hub has arrived and my network is so blisteringly fast it must be going at the speed it was :( grumble grumble shuggin fashin shuggin fashin virgin :D
[20:50] <andylockran> hey guys - where' sthe best places to edit the network connections in ubuntu 12.04
[20:50] <andylockran> I used to use /etc/network/interfaces - but seems like NetworkManager is the best place to do it?
[20:51] <daubers> andylockran: Desktop?
[20:51] <davmor2> andylockran: on what desktop or server
[20:51] <andylockran> davmor2: I've installed Desktop
[20:51] <davmor2> andylockran: network manager anywhere else and you break the system
[20:51] <andylockran> davmor2: ok, is there a network manager on server?
[20:52] <davmor2> andylockran: nope on server it is manual or auto
[20:52] <daubers> andylockran: server is still in interfaces
[20:52] <andylockran> that's a bit frustrating.. can I remove network manager from desktop?
[20:53] <davmor2>  andylockran why?   you can do all the same setting in network-manager
[20:53] <daubers> andylockran: http://superuser.com/questions/9720/disabling-networkmanager-for-a-specific-interface
[20:54] <bigcalm> Evenin' all
[20:54] <davmor2> hey bigcalm my superhub finally made it 5 days late
[20:55] <daubers> andylockran: If you set it as static from the interfaces file nm should ignore it
[20:55] <popey> pip pip bigcalm
[20:55] <andylockran> davmor2: writing configuration that I expect to be used on a server installation
[20:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: Heh, VM as reliable as ever
[20:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: now set it to be in modem only mode and use your own wifi router
[20:55] <bigcalm> Hola popey!
[20:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: not vm's fault it was stuck at the depot
[20:56] <bigcalm> Where's the fun in not blaming VM?
[20:56] <davmor2> andylockran: so you can do that it's just the desktop won't work as expected cause most things work from dbus that they in turn get from NM
[20:56] <daubers> andylockran: If you're just testing, stop network-manager
[20:57] <davmor2> daubers: you don't need to once you add an interface nm stops functioning anyway
[20:58] <andylockran> ok, kewl
[20:58] <andylockran> thanks
[21:16] <bigcalm> popey: what's new?
[21:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: my shiny shiny superhub
[21:16] <popey> stuff and ting
[21:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: happy with 60mb now?
[21:17] <bigcalm> popey: ya mon
[21:17] <davmor2> popey: you thinkz thatz realz streetz talkz mon youz needz toz addz zzzzzzzzzz toz stuffz 'n' tingz man
[21:18]  * popey wonders when his connection will be upgraded
[21:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd be happy if it was it seems to be the same speed :D
[21:18] <bigcalm> popey: http://doublespeed.virginmedia.com/
[21:20] <popey> october 2012 to july 2013!
[21:20] <bigcalm> popey: same as me :(
[21:20] <bigcalm> That's quite a window
[21:27] <czajkowski> popey: you still have *that* shirt!
[21:28] <popey> czajkowski: hmm?
[21:29] <popey> of course!
[21:29] <czajkowski> lol
[21:29] <czajkowski> :)
[21:35] <gord> really need to upgrade my broadband... 2mbit is starting to annoy me, but hard to get somewhere else that doesn't have dumb limits
[21:46] <Monotoko> anyone here dealt with Squid before? The official room seems dead
[21:55] <czajkowski> Monotoko: late at night
[22:02]  * AlanBell books flights to ireland
[22:03] <diplo> Monotoko: What do you want to know, set up a few squid boxes for work
[22:03] <diplo> but not touched it in a few years
[22:16] <Monotoko> diplo, it's alright I got it ^_^ I wasn't aware you had to add the incoming IP as well /facepalm
[22:58] <Aud1o> This is completely fucking retarded.
[22:59] <Aud1o> (grinding noises.)
[23:00] <AlanBell> well I am off to bed in a sec, but we can't have that kind of language in here and I am not up for discussing it right now
[23:00] <AlanBell> night all
[23:00] <dogmatic69> lol
[23:00] <dogmatic69> gn AlanBell
[23:00] <dogmatic69> cleaning up before heading off
[23:00] <AlanBell> yeah
[23:01] <dogmatic69> :)
[23:03] <ali1234> harsh
[23:03] <ali1234> lol
[23:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: happen to know if physically blocking the fan blades on a card could do any damage to the card, ignoring overheating?
[23:28] <Azelphur> and ignoring the fan breaking, since it's already broke
[23:30] <ali1234> i dunno
[23:30] <ali1234> why would you want to do that?
[23:30] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/November%202011/IMG_20111108_160010.jpg
[23:30] <Azelphur> stock fan broke :<
[23:31] <Azelphur> it tries to spin up occasionally, makes loud buzzy noises, then stops
[23:31] <ali1234> putting another fan in front of it like that won't do much
[23:32] <Azelphur> yea, but the inside fan is blocked from spinning too
[23:32] <ali1234> fix it properly
[23:32] <Azelphur> how so?
[23:32] <dogmatic69> I am having some issues with php-fpm. tried using nginx and cherokee now and the problem remains. every few minutes the server will die and after a while comes back up
[23:32] <ali1234> get an after market cooler
[23:33] <Azelphur> I suppose I can perform some open heart surgery on it xD
[23:33] <dogmatic69> I cant find anything in the logs and started with php-fpm in debug and seems normal (no errors)
[23:33] <dogmatic69> anything I can look for?