[01:17] eveninig [01:20] party [01:20] snap-l: widox Blazeix just a heads up. I'll be late to CHC this week. If they bug you on the room just let them know I'll pay when I get there [01:20] stupid family stuff, at least it's down that way so I can drive seperate :) [01:34] np [11:48] howdy, morning [11:58] morn [11:59] Good morning [12:41] nooooo, heroku suffers downtime is causing me to not use my app to read my news this morning [12:41] booooo! [12:41] Heh, I was just going to mention how I can't update the GRPUG website [12:42] DIAF Heroku! [12:47] app loaded, woot [12:49] up [12:49] ug [12:49] Not up [13:07] Good morning [13:16] I'm not sure why the Squeezebox is on a MC900ft Jesus kick lately, but I'm not complaining. [13:30] snap-l: you doing a classical podcast? [13:31] hey, it's ColonelPanic001 howdy [13:31] it's rick_h! howdy [13:32] ColonelPanic001: we thought maybe you'd been firewalled off [13:33] ColonelPanic001: Possibly. I've been kicking the idea around for a bi [13:33] bit, even [13:33] I thought it was wolfger that was firewalled into oblivion [13:33] Trying to come up with a good name for it [13:34] And yeah, it was Wolfger that was having trouble scaling the great firewall of Chrysler. [13:34] oh doh [13:34] sorry, case of the monday's I swear [13:34] Wow, WTF it is dark as night outside right now [13:35] snap-l++; [13:35] not here [13:35] dark that is [13:35] Yesterday we were leaving Chipotle on Woodward, and it was pouring [13:36] headed down 14 mile, and it was pouring [13:36] stopped in the parking lot at Caribou, and it was pouring [13:36] got home, and it was absolutely bone dry [13:36] yea, we got a little rain, not a ton [13:36] but nice to sit on the porch and hack kind of rain [13:37] I swear, ever since JoDee got that rain gauge, we've missed more storms than anything [13:37] put a little cool into things [13:37] lol [13:37] "Oh sit, she's recording this. Better head north" [13:39] man, this oatmeal thing just gets better and better http://goo.gl/TKSSA [13:39] Yeah, crazy [13:41] He's also allgedy suing indiegogo, and the charities that The Oatmeal was supporting with the campaign [13:41] yea, someone's having a rough week [13:41] it's called "look before you leap" guys. Before you file that stupid paper, look to see what ammo the other guy has in the gun rack [13:42] and sometimes...it just ain't worth it [13:42] Thing is, you can sue for anything [13:42] getting a judge to hear it? Sometimes they do [13:43] I'd be very surprised if this case isn't bounced higher than a superball out of the courtroom [13:43] Reminds me of those bullshit video game lawsuits. [13:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist) [14:12] ugh, javascript is going to be getting more ugly isn't it...http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:existential_operator [14:12] this and the => function bit.../me goes to look at dart again [14:12] Going? [14:13] Dude, it was miles down the road to ugly [14:13] It was just at the rest stop [14:13] well it's not that bad from something like PHP where you're used to the C syntax/etc [14:20] Yeah, but if you come from Ruby, it'll be a brain-warp [14:20] well these seem like ruby-isms [14:21] python would do a default using a method [14:21] something.get('key', 'default') [14:21] this is some sort of .? magic crap [14:21] * snap-l awaits the Javascript: The Good Parts update that says "Don't use this" [14:48] rick_h: using the font for your icons instead of images? cool. [14:48] jrwren: yea, really like the way that works out for color/size/etc flexibility vs sprites [14:49] plus it makes retina displays work flawlessly. ;) [14:49] hah [14:52] wow, great point. [15:02] love gigabit, sure let me rsync that 30GB for you wheee [15:02] <_stink_> rick_h: just posted a question in #yui, thought i'd ping you separately in case you have a suggestion [15:04] _stink_: looking [15:04] <_stink_> thanks. [15:05] Suggestion: use jquery instead [15:05] jrwren: ty sir https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/commit/bdfa93380197454f89d0f390fbd77c293f30f80f [15:07] _stink_: do you have code? How are you creating the button?what existing html/etc? [15:07] <_stink_> rick_h: ofc. i'll pastebin in #yui [15:27] _stink_: sorry there. [15:27] _stink_: can you link me again? [15:27] Special Weather Statement. Looks like we're going to ger some storms. [15:28] yay! [15:28] http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=clarkston%2C+mi [15:28] <_stink_> rick_h_: http://pastebin.com/u96f4Z1A [15:28] <_stink_> np [15:28] on swim day [15:28] http://www.wunderground.com/US/MI/069.html#SPE [15:29] You're welcome [15:29] brousch: Apparently that's the stuff that blew by you. ;) [15:37] dammit, forgot my headphones at the coffee shop...ugh [15:37] man monday is biting hard today [15:39] Some has a case of the mondays? [15:39] just one of those mondays where everything seems to just not work out right [15:40] ugh [15:41] and system lockup makes me unhappy [15:44] Ugh. [16:08] bwuhahaha, pypi mirror on the laptop complete and working. except setup.py doesn't listen to it because it's not pip :( [16:10] can you change your hosts file to make localhost pypi? [16:10] ah, good point I guess [16:11] Toss it in a VM you can move around [16:11] How big is it? [16:11] right now it's a project with a make file. Sets up nginx, etc [16:11] 30GB [16:11] Portable PyPi would be a cool project [16:12] Update it once a day [16:13] Convert pypi into a ginormous git repo and everyone can clone their own, push and pull [16:13] make it so [16:13] yea, have it set to update 5:30am so should be up to date each morning [16:14] mypypi! [16:14] mypi is what I have it aliased as :) [16:15] Could it be made into an easy VM? [16:15] probably [16:15] sec, pushing up the bootstrap stuff to github [16:15] Is it worth it? [16:16] meh, we'll find out. I tried having it on hte network, but had a hard time keeping that system running. We'll see if having it local works out [16:16] brousch: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/download.jpg [16:16] https://github.com/mitechie/mypi [16:18] woohoo! [16:25] oh cool, got it working for setup.py develop as well [16:26] rick_h_: working with rye in #ubuntuone on recovering some lost files [16:26] s/some/the/ [16:26] greg-g: good luck! [16:26] thanks [16:26] this was in a PM, but it doesn't seem secret, if it is, my bad, but, this is what is happening: [16:26] 12:24 < rye> i will recover last 10000 deleted files (no datetime interval), you will start seeing new files in "Recovered" folder in Ubuntu One volume [16:26] oh, very cool [16:34] i just went with eggproxy. I don't want to mirror all of pypi [16:35] yea, I figured wtf go for it all. Last thing I need is to get blocked by a new packages I want to add but pypi down/network offline [16:35] putting another 120gb drive in here today so that'll be pypi/virtualbox space [16:37] rick_h_: so yeah, you're doing what? the x230 can have two harddrives? [16:37] greg-g: yea, 220 can as well [16:37] oh reeeaaaalllly? [16:37] hmmmmm [16:38] they have a msata port under the keyboard [16:38] msata ssd's exist [16:38] so have a 240gb intel in the main disk bay, but 120gb msata drive showing up today [16:38] so some assembly required [16:38] as long as you're not using that port for wwam module (cellular access) [16:38] wwan that is [16:39] i've never even heard of msata. [16:39] isn't wwam port micropci? [16:39] it's like sata, but smaller (says the first hit on ddg) [16:39] err, minipci or minipci express? [16:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#mSATA [16:40] that *is* tiny [16:40] and htinking of getting one of these for backup http://www.amazon.com/Micro-SATA-Cables-MSATA-ADPT-Adapter/dp/B004YKJ5TE/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1340037601&sr=8-14&keywords=msata+ssd [16:40] yeah, its the same pinout as minipcie [16:40] greg-g: so there's your raid mirror for you [16:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#mSATA [16:40] greg-g: Very cool that they're recovering for you [16:41] yea, seems common for guys to do msata for main drive nad keep the slower 7200rpm in the laptop for mass storage [16:41] hmmmm [16:42] That's cool. Looks kind of like the SSD in the EEEPc 901 [16:42] well all these ultrabooks are using these things I guess vs real drives [16:43] so heading this route, ram-like ssd [16:43] yeah, well the legacy shapes are due to physical constraints and connections of spinning HDs [16:44] yea [16:47] I look forward to the hair-thin connectors on devices [16:48] *snap* [16:49] Seriously, they keep making these damn things smaller. Pretty soon the adapters will be larger than the devices. [16:49] that's why you let apple install them and solder them to the board! [16:49] brousch: Exactly [16:49] upgrading is for qualified technicians only [16:50] MicroSD is about as tiny as I can handle [16:50] yea, my usb adaptor for that is 4x the size of the card itself [16:50] Technicians who have spent years shaping micro-sized bonsai trees [16:50] snap-l: AKA children [16:51] I had my son with his tiny 4 year old hands help with something last weekend [16:52] Does anyone have any recommendations for an ISP? I currently am using an AT&T bundle, but I'm now required to purchase my own service. All I need is internet though. [16:52] Comcast [16:53] Really? [16:53] TeamXlink: I use uverse just internet and am happy with it [16:53] I want to get at least a one mb upload speed consistantly. [16:53] $50/mo for 6 up 18 down. Yes please [16:54] Wow! [16:54] +1 for Uverse [16:54] brousch: you get 6up? [16:54] * rick_h_ is jealous...finally bit the bullet to pay max price to get 3mb up [16:54] rick_h_: 3 up with Uverse? [16:55] it's 2.5 last I checked [16:55] MaskedDriver: yea, their top tier [16:55] oh [16:55] only .5 below that [16:55] 1.5 that is [16:55] that's a big difference ;) [16:55] Helz yeah [16:55] i use comcast and I am very happy with it. [16:56] I don't like how Comcast does business [16:56] they are leading ipv6 to customers. i support them on this. [16:56] brousch, what package do you get? [16:56] what do you not like about how comcast does business? [16:56] they sue everyone lol [16:56] they do? [16:56] links please? I've not heard about comcast lawsuit [16:56] TeamXlink: One of the middle tiers [16:57] and in fact, comcast is preventing mpaa from sueing their customers, another thing I like about comcast [16:57] http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/22/comcast-sues-sprint/ [16:57] http://www.adweek.com/news/television/comcast-sues-directv-over-nfl-sunday-ticket-ads-133912 [16:57] I've been really happy with Comcast at home and work for the last 2 years [16:57] http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-21/british-telecommunications-sued-by-comcast-over-network-patents.html [16:57] http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/comcast-sues-city-wants-tax-refund/Content?oid=1550684 [16:58] they also do stuff like this: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/11/comcast-sued-ov/ [16:58] you realize that first link is a counter sue because sprint filed suit against comcast. so comcast is on the defense there. [16:58] I didn't read it lol [16:58] I hadn't heard about the Sprint one [16:58] so you aren't really sure about what you don't like about comcast? [16:58] or you just want to dislike them? [16:59] I used to hate them [16:59] I heard about the city one and the british telecom and blocking bittorrent ones [16:59] blocking bittorrents for the sake of blocking bittorrents is bad [16:59] your business week link, the BT one comcast is trying to get BT patents invalidated. this is excellent IMO [16:59] I haven't had any trouble with torrents, but then I only torrent Ubuntu CDs on release days [17:00] yes, I wasn't happy about blocking bittorrent, but they backed off from that. [17:00] brousch: cause they got sued lol [17:00] i used to hate them too. [17:00] they have really turned around their image, IMO [17:00] they were one of the first with data caps [17:00] but everyone has one now, so I can't hate them for that anymore [17:00] your second link they are looking for truth in advertising, again I can support this. [17:00] I have uploaded obscene amounts of stuff and never been warned [17:01] So I have no idea what people are doing to hit caps [17:01] I think Comcast is 350gb [17:01] welp [17:01] not anymore... at least for now [17:02] Maybe they'll get me this month. I just uploaded 381GB of backup files over 3 days [17:02] looks like they suspended it a couple months ago [17:02] its 250GB [17:02] looks like this guy is switchign to Comcast lol [17:02] used to be 250GB [17:02] adn they are still watching you can view your usage on their customer portal [17:02] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/comcast-raises-data-cap/ [17:02] I've gone over the 250 quite a few times with zero consequences. [17:03] yes, the cap is gone, but the 250 monitor watch is still there on their customer portal [17:03] ah [17:03] so Xfinity is a gigantic improvement over their last system it looks like [17:04] xfinity is just a brand, what do you mean "their last system" ? [17:04] I might have to look in to it [17:04] my girlfriend has Xfinity, I had her run a speedtest.net [17:04] she got ping of 11, 24.42 down and 4.27 up [17:05] http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/real-rock-drummer-for-non-pussy-band-in-la [17:05] https://www.etrade.wallst.com/v1/stocks/news/search_results.asp?docKey=100-166p4188-1&DMSourceID=COMTEX&Source=PR%20Newswire&docDate=2012-06-14%2020:27:00&headline=Comcast%20Provides%20%24200%2C000%20In%20College%20Scholarships%20To%20180%20California%20High%20School%20Seniors&refSymbols=undefined [17:05] oh yeah, the speed is great. [17:06] I get 30/8 from comcast with speedboost to 50/10 [17:06] that speedboost is really nice [17:06] its not just a gimmick [17:06] 24.42 does that mean she has the 30 (that was slower than advertised) or 20 (that ended up speeding it up)? [17:06] she has no idea which package they have lol [17:07] MaskedDriver: They regularly go over the advertised speed [17:07] so she probably ahs the 20mbps [17:08] Well, if she is paying for the 20mpbs, then cool [17:08] if she's paying for the 30mbps, then complain [17:08] lol yeah [17:08] she's playing SWTOR right now, so it may have slowed it down too [17:08] and if she's paying for 25mbps, well, nobody's perfect. [17:09] And if she's paying for 8mbps... ;) [17:09] lol [17:10] looks like xfinity only goes down to 20 [17:10] so if she's paying for 8mbps, she's doing something very wrong [17:10] most important question about Comcast: it has HBOGo support right? [17:10] oh nvm they go down to 3mbps [17:11] if you pay extra for HBO, yes. [17:11] well yeah [17:11] my current plan is: basic channels (local and local hd) and HBO lol [17:11] only stations I ever watch [17:15] not seeing the price differential though except for slightly faster upload speeds. Uverse's 24mbps down and 3 up is $63 and Comcast's 20 is 62.95 [17:15] oooh, snap-l sourceforge going out to pasture? https://twitter.com/sourceforge/status/214762408621768704 [17:17] rick_h_: Interesting [17:17] I wouldn't say it's going out to pasture, but it'll be interesting to see what the Apache Foundation does with it [17:17] anyone know, does 3.1gb sound right for a windows7 64bit iso? [17:18] snap-l: yea, I mean usually (99% of the time) it's a 'handoff' move [17:18] now if ASF runs with it cool, but I've not really seen companies stay in there, maybe I'm missing some examples [17:19] rick_h_: No, I think you're right. [17:21] rick_h_: Win7 cpmes on DVD, so it sounds about right [17:21] Win Server 2008 is 3.5gb [17:21] R2* [17:21] brousch: cool thanks, haven't worked with cds in a while so not sure how to make sure I ripped the iso right [17:22] md5 [17:22] don't have a desktop one available to check the size of [17:23] I have Win7 Pro SP1 x64 EN I can check against [17:23] naw, this is home, all good though. I'm pretty sure I've got someting to try out later [17:23] time to get a vbox windows machine again [17:23] Good luck [17:26] Win7 isn't so bad. You stick it one of your Linux workspaces and have 9 others for useful programs [17:27] disclosure: given teh above conversation, I now have an open order for CMCSA shares. [17:28] cmcsa? [17:28] comcast, got it [17:34] rick_h_: my buddy Matt responded to your firefox font SO question. [17:35] how many shares? [17:36] I swear sometimes people don't think [17:36] snap-l: or read [17:36] what happened? [17:36] Just got an approval from a customer for a change that they expect to run today [17:37] lol [17:37] which, if things went correctly, would have already been winging their way to their destination [17:37] so, in effect, they were expecting me to make a change without their approval [17:38] which, had things gone wrong, would have wound up like an albatross against my neck [17:39] jrwren: yea, looking into it. Thanks [17:58] jrwren: ooh, think I got it, thanks [17:58] greg-g: hopefully the site looks better to you as well [18:00] jcastro: so my question was my own fault, I want to close it, but give the guy that tried to help me some credit. Some way to do that in SO? [18:00] link? [18:01] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11072655/firefox-font-face-fail-with-fontawesome/11085126 [18:03] rick_h_: YAY I have icons again! [18:03] The icons were gone? [18:03] greg-g: yea, much prettier now eh? :) [18:03] brousch: yea, I broke things in FF it turns out [18:03] rick_h_: looks like your comment is the answer [18:03] well, icons being characters from a font [18:04] Ah, FF. Those people deserve what they get! [18:04] rick_h_: post that as an answer, link to his answer for credit, upvote him, then accept your answer. [18:04] jcastro: yea, I was going to answer my own question, but really the whole thing is a bad question and should go away since it was my fault [18:04] yeah [18:04] link to his answer for credit? [18:04] after X hours you can close it [18:04] yeah [18:05] or click flag and post a message to have it removed. [18:06] so when you said "link" to his answer how do you do that? Just put a link in my answer to his answer permalink? [18:08] ok, cool think it's close enough. I'll come back and select the answer tomorrow [18:16] yeah [18:16] so sometimes if someone's answer helped me a bit [18:16] but you need to finish it off [18:16] I do: [18:16] "John's _answer_ helped me figure it out, I had to finish it off with foo, bar, baz" [18:16] then upvote him [18:23] jcastro: cool, ty SE pro :) [18:23] jcastro: so did I hear it's official? You're AA bound? [18:23] pending inspection and mortgage, yeah [18:23] heh [18:23] congrats man! awesome [18:24] ta [18:24] I am looking forward to bribing you to build me wooden shit [18:24] "I need a pegboard, hmmm, what is rick doing today." [18:25] lol [18:29] so, oh yea, last week i figured out installing oracle java on ubuntu in an automated way is "interesting" and reaffirmed my dislike of oracle and java [18:30] jcastro: Very cool. SO you're going to be in AA-proper then? [18:30] ypsilanti township [18:30] Love their library down there [18:31] heh [18:31] I'm about 5 minutes from it [18:31] Ah, cool. I have a fighting chance of finding you, then [18:32] ypsi is a surprisingly hard town to drive around in [18:32] yes [18:32] If I'm not lost once I pass EMU, I don't feel like I've been there. [18:33] rick_h_: carrie's sister lives about 5 minutes South of the library [18:33] upvotes appreciated: http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/v8b7u/pyohio_the_annual_python_conference_in_columbus/ [18:33] erm that was supposed to be for jcastro [18:33] jcastro: carrie's sister lives about 5 minutes South of the library [18:33] jcastro: what neighborhood? [18:34] greg-g: wow you will have a place to stay! [18:34] jrwren: some subdivision [18:34] dude, what address, you might be near her! [18:34] lol, K. near what intersection? [18:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upWYBz_NEo4 [18:34] it's like 94 and 23 [18:35] oh wow, that's kind of cool [18:36] damn jorge, that looks nice [18:36] no kidding [18:36] * rick_h_ steals your walk in for my wife [18:37] jcastro: carrie's sis is about here: http://goo.gl/maps/jMNA [18:37] oh, that is way the hell out east :) [18:37] you don't have to commute to woirk. [18:37] greg-g: we're in the sub one over to the right [18:37] where is jill planning on seeking work? [18:38] jrwren: jill does, but it's like 20min [18:38] jcastro: gotcha [18:40] only 10 miles from where I live now. i shall invite you to Original Gravity for beer, often. [18:42] we will be best buddies [18:42] jrwren: she'll be working in downtown [18:42] kerrytown I think they call it [18:43] ah, kerrytown rocks. where is she working? [18:44] kerrytown is north of downtown [18:44] ;) [18:44] oh greg-g :) [18:45] by two blocks! [18:45] jrwren: http://www.hygeiacenter.org/ [18:47] can I force another make rule to execute even if its deps don't req the rule to run? [18:49] .PHONY it [18:49] or touch the dep [18:51] what I don't remember, is can you do dependancies that are not file+timestamp ... [18:51] like you'd like to see that a line exists in a file, if not add it [18:53] not that I know of. You'd have to biuld that smarts intot he command and make it a phony target [18:53] i guess if you put both test and command in a .PHONY it'd be the same [18:53] re [18:55] jcastro: whoa! that's a pretty interesting place jill will be working! [18:55] yeah, it's like, an old house [18:58] yes, I did .PHONY [18:58] but basically I want make test to be teh same as anotehr rule I alreayd have defined [18:58] but that rule(err target) does have real deps and so it won't execute. [18:58] I'm trying to DRY my target commands [19:00] ah, got it. [19:02] cool [19:54] greg-g: Are you getting your files back? [19:59] snap-l: no garauntees yet, but they may have at least a partial collection of files [20:00] they first created a Recovered dir in U1 where they then put the last 10000 deleted files [20:00] on their end it worked (ie, some files showed up in Grad_Shool) but I can't see them locally or via one.ubuntu.com [20:01] so, fingers still crossd [20:01] +e [20:03] hrm, no i don't have my make file quite right. [20:16] greg-g: That's a hard lesson [20:16] one I learned with my music collection :) [20:19] yeah, don't trust SSDs ;) [20:20] well any hard drive [20:20] they'll disappear some files without telling you, then U1 will faithfully sync that disappearance everywhere else :) [20:20] but yea, that's why they always say a mirror never counts as a backup [20:20] ugh [20:20] right [20:20] backup is hard, let's go shopping [20:20]