[01:17] <snap-l> eveninig
[01:20] <rick_h> party
[01:20] <rick_h> snap-l: widox Blazeix just a heads up. I'll be late to CHC this week. If they bug you on the room just let them know I'll pay when I get there
[01:20] <rick_h> stupid family stuff, at least it's down that way so I can drive seperate :)
[01:34] <snap-l> np
[11:48] <rick_h> howdy, morning
[11:58] <brousch> morn
[11:59] <shakes808> Good morning
[12:41] <rick_h> nooooo, heroku suffers downtime is causing me to not use my app to read my news this morning
[12:41] <rick_h> booooo!
[12:41] <brousch> Heh, I was just going to mention how I can't update the GRPUG website
[12:42] <brousch> DIAF Heroku!
[12:47] <rick_h> app loaded, woot
[12:49] <brousch> up
[12:49] <brousch> ug
[12:49] <brousch> Not up
[13:07] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:16] <snap-l> I'm not sure why the Squeezebox is on a MC900ft Jesus kick lately, but I'm not complaining.
[13:30] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: you doing a classical podcast?
[13:31] <rick_h> hey, it's ColonelPanic001 howdy
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> it's rick_h! howdy
[13:32] <rick_h> ColonelPanic001: we thought maybe you'd been firewalled off
[13:33] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Possibly. I've been kicking the idea around for a bi
[13:33] <snap-l> bit, even
[13:33] <brousch> I thought it was wolfger that was firewalled into oblivion
[13:33] <snap-l> Trying to come up with a good name for it
[13:34] <snap-l> And yeah, it was Wolfger that was having trouble scaling the great firewall of Chrysler.
[13:34] <rick_h> oh doh
[13:34] <rick_h> sorry, case of the monday's I swear
[13:34] <brousch> Wow, WTF it is dark as night outside right now
[13:35] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l++;
[13:35] <rick_h> not here
[13:35] <rick_h> dark that is
[13:35] <snap-l> Yesterday we were leaving Chipotle on Woodward, and it was pouring
[13:36] <snap-l> headed down 14 mile, and it was pouring
[13:36] <snap-l> stopped in the parking lot at Caribou, and it was pouring
[13:36] <snap-l> got home, and it was absolutely bone dry
[13:36] <rick_h> yea, we got a little rain, not a ton
[13:36] <rick_h> but nice to sit on the porch and hack kind of rain
[13:37] <snap-l> I swear, ever since JoDee got that rain gauge, we've missed more storms than anything
[13:37] <rick_h> put a little cool into things
[13:37] <rick_h> lol
[13:37] <snap-l> "Oh sit, she's recording this. Better head north"
[13:39] <rick_h> man, this oatmeal thing just gets better and better http://goo.gl/TKSSA
[13:39] <brousch> Yeah, crazy
[13:41] <snap-l> He's also allgedy suing indiegogo, and the charities that The Oatmeal was supporting with the campaign
[13:41] <rick_h> yea, someone's having a rough week
[13:41] <rick_h> it's called "look before you leap" guys. Before you file that stupid paper, look to see what ammo the other guy has in the gun rack
[13:42] <rick_h> and sometimes...it just ain't worth it
[13:42] <snap-l> Thing is, you can sue for anything
[13:42] <snap-l> getting a judge to hear it? Sometimes they do
[13:43] <snap-l> I'd be very surprised if this case isn't bounced higher than a superball out of the courtroom
[13:43] <snap-l> Reminds me of those bullshit video game lawsuits.
[13:44] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist)
[14:12] <rick_h> ugh, javascript is going to be getting more ugly isn't it...http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:existential_operator
[14:12] <rick_h> this and the => function bit.../me goes to look at dart again
[14:12] <snap-l> Going?
[14:13] <snap-l> Dude, it was miles down the road to ugly
[14:13] <snap-l> It was just at the rest stop
[14:13] <rick_h> well it's not that bad from something like PHP where you're used to the C syntax/etc
[14:20] <snap-l> Yeah, but if you come from Ruby, it'll be a brain-warp
[14:20] <rick_h> well these seem like ruby-isms
[14:21] <rick_h> python would do a default using a method
[14:21] <rick_h> something.get('key', 'default')
[14:21] <rick_h> this is some sort of .? magic crap
[14:21]  * snap-l awaits the Javascript: The Good Parts update that says "Don't use this"
[14:48] <jrwren> rick_h: using the font for your icons instead of images?  cool.
[14:48] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, really like the way that works out for color/size/etc flexibility vs sprites
[14:49] <snap-l> plus it makes retina displays work flawlessly. ;)
[14:49] <rick_h> hah
[14:52] <jrwren> wow, great point.
[15:02] <rick_h> love gigabit, sure let me rsync that 30GB for you wheee
[15:02] <_stink_> rick_h: just posted a question in #yui, thought i'd ping you separately in case you have a suggestion
[15:04] <rick_h> _stink_: looking
[15:04] <_stink_> thanks.
[15:05] <brousch> Suggestion: use jquery instead
[15:05] <rick_h> jrwren: ty sir https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/commit/bdfa93380197454f89d0f390fbd77c293f30f80f
[15:07] <rick_h> _stink_: do you have code? How are you creating the button?what existing html/etc?
[15:07] <_stink_> rick_h: ofc.  i'll pastebin in #yui
[15:27] <rick_h_> _stink_: sorry there.
[15:27] <rick_h_> _stink_: can you link me again?
[15:27] <snap-l> Special Weather Statement. Looks like we're going to ger some storms.
[15:28] <rick_h_> yay!
[15:28] <snap-l> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=clarkston%2C+mi
[15:28] <_stink_> rick_h_: http://pastebin.com/u96f4Z1A
[15:28] <_stink_> np
[15:28] <rick_h_> on swim  day
[15:28] <snap-l> http://www.wunderground.com/US/MI/069.html#SPE
[15:29] <brousch> You're welcome
[15:29] <snap-l> brousch: Apparently that's the stuff that blew by you. ;)
[15:37] <rick_h_> dammit, forgot my headphones at the coffee shop...ugh
[15:37] <rick_h_> man monday is biting hard today
[15:39] <brousch> Some has a case of the mondays?
[15:39] <rick_h_> just one of those mondays where everything seems to just not work out right
[15:40] <snap-l> ugh
[15:41] <rick_h_> and system lockup makes me unhappy
[15:44] <snap-l> Ugh.
[16:08] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha, pypi mirror on the laptop complete and working. except setup.py doesn't listen to it because it's not pip :(
[16:10] <brousch> can you change your hosts file to make localhost pypi?
[16:10] <rick_h_> ah, good point I guess
[16:11] <brousch> Toss it in a VM you can move around
[16:11] <brousch> How big is it?
[16:11] <rick_h_> right now it's a project with a make file. Sets up nginx, etc
[16:11] <rick_h_> 30GB
[16:11] <brousch> Portable PyPi would be a cool project
[16:12] <brousch> Update it once a day
[16:13] <brousch> Convert pypi into a ginormous git repo and everyone can clone their own, push and pull
[16:13] <brousch> make it so
[16:13] <rick_h_> yea, have it set to update 5:30am so should be up to date each morning
[16:14] <brousch> mypypi!
[16:14] <rick_h_> mypi is what I have it aliased as :)
[16:15] <brousch> Could it be made into an easy VM?
[16:15] <rick_h_> probably
[16:15] <rick_h_> sec, pushing up the bootstrap stuff to github
[16:15] <brousch> Is it worth it?
[16:16] <rick_h_> meh, we'll find out. I tried having it on hte network, but had a hard time keeping that system running. We'll see if having it local works out
[16:16] <snap-l> brousch: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/download.jpg
[16:16] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/mypi
[16:18] <brousch> woohoo!
[16:25] <rick_h_> oh cool, got it working for setup.py develop as well
[16:26] <greg-g> rick_h_: working with rye in #ubuntuone on recovering some lost files
[16:26] <greg-g> s/some/the/
[16:26] <rick_h_> greg-g: good luck!
[16:26] <greg-g> thanks
[16:26] <greg-g> this was in a PM, but it doesn't seem secret, if it is, my bad, but, this is what is happening:
[16:26] <greg-g> 12:24 <      rye> i will recover last 10000 deleted files (no datetime interval), you will start seeing new files  in "Recovered" folder in Ubuntu One volume
[16:26] <rick_h_> oh, very cool
[16:34] <jrwren> i just went with eggproxy. I don't want to mirror all of pypi
[16:35] <rick_h_> yea, I figured wtf go for it all. Last thing I need is to get blocked by a new packages I want to add but pypi down/network offline
[16:35] <rick_h_> putting another 120gb drive in here today so that'll be pypi/virtualbox space
[16:37] <greg-g> rick_h_: so yeah, you're doing what? the x230 can have two harddrives?
[16:37] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, 220 can as well
[16:37] <greg-g> oh reeeaaaalllly?
[16:37] <greg-g> hmmmmm
[16:38] <rick_h_> they have a msata port under the keyboard
[16:38] <rick_h_> msata ssd's exist
[16:38] <rick_h_> so have a 240gb intel in the main disk bay, but 120gb msata drive showing up today
[16:38] <rick_h_> so some assembly required
[16:38] <rick_h_> as long as you're not using that port for wwam module (cellular access)
[16:38] <rick_h_> wwan that is
[16:39] <jrwren> i've never even heard of msata.
[16:39] <jrwren> isn't wwam port micropci?
[16:39] <greg-g> it's like sata, but smaller (says the first hit on ddg)
[16:39] <jrwren> err, minipci or minipci express?
[16:40] <greg-g> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#mSATA
[16:40] <greg-g> that *is* tiny
[16:40] <rick_h_> and htinking of getting one of these for backup http://www.amazon.com/Micro-SATA-Cables-MSATA-ADPT-Adapter/dp/B004YKJ5TE/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1340037601&sr=8-14&keywords=msata+ssd
[16:40] <jrwren> yeah, its the same pinout as minipcie
[16:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: so there's your raid mirror for you
[16:40] <jrwren> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#mSATA
[16:40] <brousch> greg-g: Very cool that they're recovering for you
[16:41] <rick_h_> yea, seems common for guys to do msata for main drive nad keep the slower 7200rpm in the laptop for mass storage
[16:41] <greg-g> hmmmm
[16:42] <brousch> That's cool. Looks kind of like the SSD in the EEEPc 901
[16:42] <rick_h_> well all these ultrabooks are using these things I guess vs real drives
[16:43] <rick_h_> so heading this route, ram-like ssd
[16:43] <brousch> yeah, well the legacy shapes are due to physical constraints and connections of spinning HDs
[16:44] <rick_h_> yea
[16:47] <snap-l> I look forward to the hair-thin connectors on devices
[16:48] <rick_h_> *snap*
[16:49] <snap-l> Seriously, they keep making these damn things smaller. Pretty soon the adapters will be larger than the devices.
[16:49] <brousch> that's why you let apple install them and solder them to the board!
[16:49] <snap-l> brousch: Exactly
[16:49] <snap-l> upgrading is for qualified technicians only
[16:50] <brousch> MicroSD is about as tiny as I can handle
[16:50] <rick_h_> yea, my usb adaptor for that is 4x the size of the card itself
[16:50] <snap-l> Technicians who have spent years shaping micro-sized bonsai trees
[16:50] <brousch> snap-l: AKA children
[16:51] <brousch> I had my son with his tiny 4 year old hands help with something last weekend
[16:52] <TeamXlink> Does anyone have any recommendations for an ISP? I currently am using an AT&T bundle, but I'm now required to purchase my own service. All I need is internet though.
[16:52] <brousch> Comcast
[16:53] <TeamXlink> Really?
[16:53] <rick_h_> TeamXlink: I use uverse just internet and am happy with it
[16:53] <TeamXlink> I want to get at least a one mb upload speed consistantly.
[16:53] <brousch> $50/mo for 6 up 18 down. Yes please
[16:54] <TeamXlink> Wow!
[16:54] <MaskedDriver> +1 for Uverse
[16:54] <rick_h_> brousch: you get 6up?
[16:54]  * rick_h_ is jealous...finally bit the bullet to pay max price to get 3mb up
[16:54] <MaskedDriver> rick_h_: 3 up with Uverse?
[16:55] <MaskedDriver> it's 2.5 last I checked
[16:55] <rick_h_> MaskedDriver: yea, their top tier
[16:55] <MaskedDriver> oh
[16:55] <rick_h_> only .5 below that
[16:55] <rick_h_> 1.5 that is
[16:55] <MaskedDriver> that's a big difference ;)
[16:55] <brousch> Helz yeah
[16:55] <jrwren> i use comcast and I am very happy with it.
[16:56] <MaskedDriver> I don't like how Comcast does business
[16:56] <jrwren> they are leading ipv6 to customers. i support them on this.
[16:56] <TeamXlink> brousch, what package do you get?
[16:56] <jrwren> what do you not like about how comcast does business?
[16:56] <MaskedDriver> they sue everyone lol
[16:56] <jrwren> they do?
[16:56] <jrwren> links please? I've not heard about comcast lawsuit
[16:56] <brousch> TeamXlink: One of the middle tiers
[16:57] <jrwren> and in fact, comcast is preventing mpaa from sueing their customers, another thing I like about comcast
[16:57] <MaskedDriver> http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/22/comcast-sues-sprint/
[16:57] <MaskedDriver> http://www.adweek.com/news/television/comcast-sues-directv-over-nfl-sunday-ticket-ads-133912
[16:57] <brousch> I've been really happy with Comcast at home and work for the last 2 years
[16:57] <MaskedDriver> http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-21/british-telecommunications-sued-by-comcast-over-network-patents.html
[16:57] <MaskedDriver> http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/comcast-sues-city-wants-tax-refund/Content?oid=1550684
[16:58] <MaskedDriver> they also do stuff like this: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/11/comcast-sued-ov/
[16:58] <jrwren> you realize that first link is a counter sue because sprint filed suit against comcast. so comcast is on the defense there.
[16:58] <MaskedDriver> I didn't read it lol
[16:58] <MaskedDriver> I hadn't heard about the Sprint one
[16:58] <jrwren> so you aren't really sure about what you don't like about comcast?
[16:58] <jrwren> or you just want to dislike them?
[16:59] <brousch> I used to hate them
[16:59] <MaskedDriver> I heard about the city one and the british telecom and blocking bittorrent ones
[16:59] <MaskedDriver> blocking bittorrents for the sake of blocking bittorrents is bad
[16:59] <jrwren> your business week link, the BT one comcast is trying to get BT patents invalidated. this is excellent IMO
[16:59] <brousch> I haven't had any trouble with torrents, but then I only torrent Ubuntu CDs on release days
[17:00] <jrwren> yes, I wasn't happy about blocking bittorrent, but they backed off from that.
[17:00] <MaskedDriver> brousch: cause they got sued lol
[17:00] <jrwren> i used to hate them too.
[17:00] <jrwren> they have really turned around their image, IMO
[17:00] <MaskedDriver> they were one of the first with data caps
[17:00] <MaskedDriver> but everyone has one now, so I can't hate them for that anymore
[17:00] <jrwren> your second link they are looking for truth in advertising, again I can support this.
[17:00] <brousch> I have uploaded obscene amounts of stuff and never been warned
[17:01] <brousch> So I have no idea what people are doing to hit caps
[17:01] <MaskedDriver> I think Comcast is 350gb
[17:01] <MaskedDriver> welp
[17:01] <MaskedDriver> not anymore... at least for now
[17:02] <brousch> Maybe they'll get me this month. I just uploaded 381GB of backup files over 3 days
[17:02] <MaskedDriver> looks like they suspended it a couple months ago
[17:02] <jrwren> its 250GB
[17:02] <MaskedDriver> looks like this guy is switchign to Comcast lol
[17:02] <MaskedDriver> used to be 250GB
[17:02] <jrwren> adn they are still watching you can view your usage on their customer portal
[17:02] <MaskedDriver> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/comcast-raises-data-cap/
[17:02] <jrwren> I've gone over the 250 quite a few times with zero consequences.
[17:03] <jrwren> yes, the cap is gone, but the 250 monitor watch is still there on their customer portal
[17:03] <MaskedDriver> ah
[17:03] <MaskedDriver> so Xfinity is a gigantic improvement over their last system it looks like
[17:04] <jrwren> xfinity is just a brand, what do you mean "their last system" ?
[17:04] <MaskedDriver> I might have to look in to it
[17:04] <MaskedDriver> my girlfriend has Xfinity, I had her run a speedtest.net
[17:04] <MaskedDriver> she got ping of 11, 24.42 down and 4.27 up
[17:05] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/real-rock-drummer-for-non-pussy-band-in-la
[17:05] <jrwren> https://www.etrade.wallst.com/v1/stocks/news/search_results.asp?docKey=100-166p4188-1&DMSourceID=COMTEX&Source=PR%20Newswire&docDate=2012-06-14%2020:27:00&headline=Comcast%20Provides%20%24200%2C000%20In%20College%20Scholarships%20To%20180%20California%20High%20School%20Seniors&refSymbols=undefined
[17:05] <jrwren> oh yeah, the speed is great.
[17:06] <jrwren> I get 30/8 from comcast with speedboost to 50/10
[17:06] <jrwren> that speedboost is really nice
[17:06] <jrwren> its not just a gimmick
[17:06] <MaskedDriver> 24.42 does that mean she has the 30 (that was slower than advertised) or 20 (that ended up speeding it up)?
[17:06] <MaskedDriver> she has no idea which package they have lol
[17:07] <brousch> MaskedDriver: They regularly go over the advertised speed
[17:07] <MaskedDriver> so she probably ahs the 20mbps
[17:08] <snap-l> Well, if she is paying for the 20mpbs, then cool
[17:08] <snap-l> if she's paying for the 30mbps, then complain
[17:08] <MaskedDriver> lol yeah
[17:08] <MaskedDriver> she's playing SWTOR right now, so it may have slowed it down too
[17:08] <snap-l> and if she's paying for 25mbps, well, nobody's perfect.
[17:09] <snap-l> And if she's paying for 8mbps... ;)
[17:09] <MaskedDriver> lol
[17:10] <MaskedDriver> looks like xfinity only goes down to 20
[17:10] <MaskedDriver> so if she's paying for 8mbps, she's doing something very wrong
[17:10] <MaskedDriver> most important question about Comcast: it has HBOGo support right?
[17:10] <MaskedDriver> oh nvm they go down to 3mbps
[17:11] <jrwren> if you pay extra for HBO, yes.
[17:11] <MaskedDriver> well yeah
[17:11] <MaskedDriver> my current plan is: basic channels (local and local hd) and HBO lol
[17:11] <MaskedDriver> only stations I ever watch
[17:15] <MaskedDriver> not seeing the price differential though except for slightly faster upload speeds. Uverse's 24mbps down and 3 up is $63 and Comcast's 20 is 62.95
[17:15] <rick_h_> oooh, snap-l sourceforge going out to pasture? https://twitter.com/sourceforge/status/214762408621768704
[17:17] <snap-l> rick_h_: Interesting
[17:17] <snap-l> I wouldn't say it's going out to pasture, but it'll be interesting to see what the Apache Foundation does with it
[17:17] <rick_h_> anyone know, does 3.1gb sound right for a windows7 64bit iso?
[17:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, I mean usually (99% of the time) it's a 'handoff' move
[17:18] <rick_h_> now if ASF runs with it cool, but I've not really seen companies stay in there, maybe I'm missing some examples
[17:19] <snap-l> rick_h_: No, I think you're right.
[17:21] <brousch> rick_h_: Win7 cpmes on DVD, so it sounds about right
[17:21] <MaskedDriver> Win Server 2008 is 3.5gb
[17:21] <MaskedDriver> R2*
[17:21] <rick_h_> brousch: cool thanks, haven't worked with cds in a while so not sure how to make sure I ripped the iso right
[17:22] <brousch> md5
[17:22] <MaskedDriver> don't have a desktop one available to check the size of
[17:23] <brousch> I have Win7 Pro SP1 x64 EN I can check against
[17:23] <rick_h_> naw, this is home, all good though. I'm pretty sure I've got someting to try out later
[17:23] <rick_h_> time to get a vbox windows machine again
[17:23] <snap-l> Good luck
[17:26] <brousch> Win7 isn't so bad. You stick it one of your Linux workspaces and have 9 others for useful programs
[17:27] <jrwren> disclosure: given teh above conversation, I now have an open order for CMCSA shares.
[17:28] <greg-g> cmcsa?
[17:28] <greg-g> comcast, got it
[17:34] <jrwren> rick_h_: my buddy Matt responded to your firefox font SO question.
[17:35] <MaskedDriver> how many shares?
[17:36] <snap-l> I swear sometimes people don't think
[17:36] <MaskedDriver> snap-l: or read
[17:36] <MaskedDriver> what happened?
[17:36] <snap-l> Just got an approval from a customer for a change that they expect to run today
[17:37] <MaskedDriver> lol
[17:37] <snap-l> which, if things went correctly, would have already been winging their way to their destination
[17:37] <snap-l> so, in effect, they were expecting me to make a change without their approval
[17:38] <snap-l> which, had things gone wrong, would have wound up like an albatross against my neck
[17:39] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, looking into it. Thanks
[17:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: ooh, think I got it, thanks
[17:58] <rick_h_> greg-g: hopefully the site looks better to you as well
[18:00] <rick_h_> jcastro: so my question was my own fault, I want to close it, but give the guy that tried to help me some credit. Some way to do that in SO?
[18:00] <jcastro> link?
[18:01] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11072655/firefox-font-face-fail-with-fontawesome/11085126
[18:03] <greg-g> rick_h_: YAY I have icons again!
[18:03] <brousch> The icons were gone?
[18:03] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, much prettier now eh? :)
[18:03] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I broke things in FF it turns out
[18:03] <jcastro> rick_h_: looks like your comment is the answer
[18:03] <greg-g> well, icons being characters from a font
[18:04] <brousch> Ah, FF. Those people deserve what they get!
[18:04] <jcastro> rick_h_: post that as an answer, link to his answer for credit, upvote him, then accept your answer.
[18:04] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, I was going to answer my own question, but really the whole thing is a bad question and should go away since it was my fault
[18:04] <jcastro> yeah
[18:04] <rick_h_> link to his answer for credit?
[18:04] <jcastro> after X hours you can close it
[18:04] <jcastro> yeah
[18:05] <jcastro> or click flag and post a message to have it removed.
[18:06] <rick_h_> so when you said "link" to his answer how do you do that? Just put a link in my answer to his answer permalink?
[18:08] <rick_h_> ok, cool think it's close enough. I'll come back and select the answer tomorrow
[18:16] <jcastro> yeah
[18:16] <jcastro> so sometimes if someone's answer helped me a bit
[18:16] <jcastro> but you need to finish it off
[18:16] <jcastro> I do:
[18:16] <jcastro> "John's _answer_ helped me figure it out, I had to finish it off with foo, bar, baz"
[18:16] <jcastro> then upvote him
[18:23] <rick_h_> jcastro: cool, ty SE pro :)
[18:23] <rick_h_> jcastro: so did I hear it's official? You're AA bound?
[18:23] <jcastro> pending inspection and mortgage, yeah
[18:23] <jcastro> heh
[18:23] <rick_h_> congrats man! awesome
[18:24] <jcastro> ta
[18:24] <jcastro> I am looking forward to bribing you to build me wooden shit
[18:24] <jcastro> "I need a pegboard, hmmm, what is rick doing today."
[18:25] <rick_h_> lol
[18:29] <derekv2> so, oh yea, last week i figured out installing oracle java on ubuntu in an automated way is "interesting" and reaffirmed my dislike of oracle and java
[18:30] <snap-l> jcastro: Very cool. SO you're going to be in AA-proper then?
[18:30] <jcastro> ypsilanti township
[18:30] <snap-l> Love their library down there
[18:31] <jcastro> heh
[18:31] <jcastro> I'm about 5 minutes from it
[18:31] <snap-l> Ah, cool. I have a fighting chance of finding you, then
[18:32] <greg-g> ypsi is a surprisingly hard town to drive around in
[18:32] <snap-l> yes
[18:32] <snap-l> If I'm not lost once I pass EMU, I don't feel like I've been there.
[18:33] <greg-g> rick_h_: carrie's sister lives about 5 minutes South of the library
[18:33] <rick_h_> upvotes appreciated: http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/v8b7u/pyohio_the_annual_python_conference_in_columbus/
[18:33] <greg-g> erm that was supposed to be for jcastro
[18:33] <greg-g> jcastro: carrie's sister lives about 5 minutes South of the library
[18:33] <jrwren> jcastro: what neighborhood?
[18:34] <jcastro> greg-g: wow you will have a place to stay!
[18:34] <jcastro> jrwren: some subdivision
[18:34] <greg-g> dude, what address, you might be near her!
[18:34] <jrwren> lol, K. near what intersection?
[18:34] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upWYBz_NEo4
[18:34] <jcastro> it's like 94 and 23
[18:35] <rick_h_> oh wow, that's kind of cool
[18:36] <jrwren> damn jorge, that looks nice
[18:36] <rick_h_> no kidding
[18:36]  * rick_h_ steals your walk in for my wife
[18:37] <greg-g> jcastro: carrie's sis is about here: http://goo.gl/maps/jMNA
[18:37] <jrwren> oh, that is way the hell out east :)
[18:37] <jrwren> you don't have to commute to woirk.
[18:37] <jcastro> greg-g: we're in the sub one over to the right
[18:37] <jrwren> where is jill planning on seeking work?
[18:38] <jcastro> jrwren: jill does, but it's like 20min
[18:38] <greg-g> jcastro: gotcha
[18:40] <jrwren> only 10 miles from where I live now. i shall invite you to Original Gravity for beer, often.
[18:42] <jcastro> we will be best buddies
[18:42] <jcastro> jrwren: she'll be working in downtown
[18:42] <jcastro> kerrytown I think they call it
[18:43] <jrwren> ah, kerrytown rocks. where is she working?
[18:44] <greg-g> kerrytown is north of downtown
[18:44] <greg-g> ;)
[18:44] <jrwren> oh greg-g :)
[18:45] <jrwren> by two blocks!
[18:45] <jcastro> jrwren: http://www.hygeiacenter.org/
[18:47] <jrwren> can I force another make rule to execute even if its deps don't req the rule to run?
[18:49] <rick_h_> .PHONY it
[18:49] <rick_h_> or touch the dep
[18:51] <derekv2> what I don't remember, is can you do dependancies that are not file+timestamp ...
[18:51] <derekv2> like you'd like to see that a line exists in a file, if not add it
[18:53] <rick_h_> not that I know of. You'd have to biuld that smarts intot he command and make it a phony target
[18:53] <derekv2> i guess if you put both test and command in a .PHONY it'd be the same
[18:53] <derekv2> re
[18:55] <greg-g> jcastro: whoa! that's a pretty interesting place jill will be working!
[18:55] <jcastro> yeah, it's like, an old house
[18:58] <jrwren> yes, I did .PHONY
[18:58] <jrwren> but basically I want make test to be teh same as anotehr rule I alreayd have defined
[18:58] <jrwren> but that rule(err target) does have real deps and so it won't execute.
[18:58] <jrwren> I'm trying to DRY my target commands
[19:00] <jrwren> ah, got it.
[19:02] <rick_h_> cool
[19:54] <snap-l> greg-g: Are you getting your files back?
[19:59] <greg-g> snap-l: no garauntees yet, but they may have at least a partial collection of files
[20:00] <greg-g> they first created a Recovered dir in U1 where they then put the last 10000 deleted files
[20:00] <greg-g> on their end it worked (ie, some files showed up in Grad_Shool) but I can't see them locally or via one.ubuntu.com
[20:01] <greg-g> so, fingers still crossd
[20:01] <greg-g> +e
[20:03] <jrwren> hrm, no i don't have my make file quite right.
[20:16] <snap-l> greg-g: That's a hard lesson
[20:16] <snap-l> one I learned with my music collection :)
[20:19] <greg-g> yeah, don't trust SSDs ;)
[20:20] <rick_h_> well any hard drive
[20:20] <greg-g> they'll disappear some files without telling you, then U1 will faithfully sync that disappearance everywhere else :)
[20:20] <rick_h_> but yea, that's why they always say a mirror never counts as a backup
[20:20] <rick_h_> ugh
[20:20] <greg-g> right
[20:20] <rick_h_> backup is hard, let's go shopping
[20:20] <greg-g> :)
[20:24] <jrwren> but at least when a disk fails it USUALLY goes slowly and you can do some recoverty.
[20:24] <jrwren> SSD just dies. dead. forever gone.
[20:24] <jrwren> death
[20:24] <jrwren> no life
[20:28] <snap-l> I thought SSD would just go read-only
[20:31] <rick_h_> ok, so usb3 is nice...go go go
[20:32] <snap-l> Yeah, USB3 is a nice little compromise
[20:32] <rick_h_> syncing off my system to the original drive that came with this thing, in a usb 3 carrier and it's definitely getting some speed
[20:37] <greg-g> snap-l: nope, it goes "I was never here, there was never any file here"
[20:37] <snap-l> I do wonder if I'd get some more performance by moving my backup drive to the router.
[20:37] <greg-g> also:
[20:37] <greg-g> 16:34 <      rye> ok, I see why it is and at the moment I don't understand why, there is no hash for the recovered  file entries i.e. no attached content data, digging deeper, but this does not look promising at  all
[20:37] <greg-g> :*
[20:37] <greg-g> :(
[20:37] <snap-l> greg-g: Fuck
[20:37] <snap-l> greg-g: Does it show as an 8MB device?
[20:37] <snap-l> and was it an Intel drive?
[20:38] <greg-g> ?
[20:38] <snap-l> http://communities.intel.com/message/133499
[20:38] <greg-g> it was Intel
[20:39] <greg-g> huh, no, it is just done, dead
[20:40] <jrwren> how fast is usb3? 4Gbit?  hrm... usb3 to usb3 network anyone? :)
[20:40] <rick_h_> I wish sent 62687062554 bytes  received 5040598 bytes  82327121.67 bytes/sec
[20:40] <rick_h_> total size is 62659125696  speedup is 1.00
[20:41] <rick_h_> that's the end of the rsync, minus the I wish thing
[20:41] <rick_h_> that was intended for something else...ugh
[20:41] <jrwren> that is slower than gigabit
[20:41] <snap-l> heh
[21:07] <greg-g> 17:07 <      rye> I am very sorry to say this but according to the data I have the files were never uploaded to  Ubuntu One for some reason. Even when the clients were released which were fixing the issues  found the metadata kept the flag the files were synchronized and no action was taken by the  client. I am afraid that's the only thing I can tell and I am extremely sorry for this issue.
[21:07] <greg-g> :(
[21:09] <rick_h_> ugh, sorry greg-g
[21:12] <snap-l> greg-g: Was holidng out hope
[21:13] <greg-g> I'm going to go buy some whiskey for tonight
[21:13] <greg-g> (joking)
[21:14] <greg-g> I had mostly come to terms with it since Friday
[21:14] <snap-l> Is the BIOS not recognizing the drive?
[21:16] <snap-l> greg-g: Wondered if Spinrite might help out, but apparently it's useless for SSDs
[21:18] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, but when it is mounted there are thousands of errors according to e2fsck
[21:18] <greg-g> maybe millions, basically, the whole drive is in an error state :)
[21:18] <snap-l> could you mount the drive read-only and try reading it that way?
[21:19] <greg-g> its dead, jim.
[21:19] <snap-l> firmware update!
[21:19] <greg-g> jim, its dead.
[21:19] <snap-l> defibrilator!
[21:19] <greg-g> JIM!
[21:20] <greg-g> snap out of it man!
[21:20] <snap-l> ship it here so I can smack it around a bit
[21:21] <snap-l> http://risha.bandcamp.com/album/leto-summer
[21:46] <greg-g> snap-l: risha is very very interesting