[06:25] gutten morgen! [06:41] good mornings everyone and sflr [06:43] hi inetpro [07:09] morning superfly and alllll others [07:09] heya Kilos [07:11] you havent join us on twitter ubuntu-za superfly . hope all well with you and family [07:11] yo zeref [07:12] Kilos: jammer, been a bit busy [07:12] hi sflr [07:12] np superfly [07:14] Kilos: oom, try not to post personal stuff on the Ubuntu ZA twitter account (like how KDE is taking over your PC) [07:15] ok superfly [07:15] sorry [07:16] hi Kilos! [07:18] twitter account is for ubuntuza announcements, etc. Good place to announce tonight's meeting :) === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [07:20] yo SmilyBorg power on yet [07:20] hehe [07:20] hi SmilyBorg [07:20] and telcom didnt come [07:20] Hey folks [07:21] running on Duracell bunny batteries. hehe [07:21] ya, power came back some time on friday [07:21] telkom installed the line, but still need to activate ADSL [07:22] lets hope its done by 19.30 for tonights monthly meeting here [07:23] morning HawkiesZA inetpro [07:24] SmilyBorg: I use Afrihost to manage my Telkom ADSL. At least they come back to you with updates :) [07:24] good morning superfly and Kilos [07:24] SmilyBorg: wb [07:24] got stuck in traffic for 2 hours after the telkom install thanks to top gear :-( [07:24] hi inetpro, SmilyBorg and sflr [07:25] will just use internet at my girlfriend's place tonight. [07:25] good [07:25] ping HawkiesZA, will you be at tonight's meeting? [07:27] Kilos: I agree with superfly that some of those messages may be irrelevant from a ubuntu-za perspective [07:28] is kde not part of ubuntu? [07:28] that twitter account should really be low volume communication, especially when there are many followers [07:28] but i take note and will do so [07:29] Morning Kilos, inetpro [07:29] Kilos: it's personal stuff that belongs in your sharpeys account [07:29] inetpro: I'll try my best. What time is it? [07:29] 19.30 HawkiesZA [07:30] * HawkiesZA reads the top title [07:30] HawkiesZA: you're on the Agenda [07:30] inetpro: I am? [07:31] HawkiesZA: yep, just go to that link for the Agenda in the topic [07:31] just a quick feedback about your UH event in Rosebank [07:33] HawkiesZA: or get your buddies who arranged that UH [07:33] but a word of encouragement for others to keep doing these events would be nice [07:33] lessons learnt, etc [07:34] anyway, that's for tonight [07:35] BTW, did you guys see that video of Linus Torvalds? [07:35] which one? [07:36] inetpro: saw talk about it, never watched it [07:36] SmilyBorg: just google news for nvidia [07:36] heard rumors that he ripped nvidia a new one, but havnt seen the video [07:37] many many links like "Linus Torvalds is livid -- directs middle digit at Nvidia" [07:37] Maaz: google nvidia linus [07:37] hehe [07:37] inetpro: "Linus Torvald says “Fuck you, NVIDIA” for “Not supporting Linux ..." http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/06/linus-torvald-says-fuck-you-nvidia-for-not-supporting-linux/ :: "Linux architect Linus Torvalds to Nvidia: “F*** You” - SlashGear" http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/ :: "Linus Torvalds Rips Into NVIDIA For Lack of Linux Support ..." http://hothardware.com/News/Linus-Torvalds [07:39] * inetpro enjoyed listening to the guy last night just before going to sleep [07:49] what's wrong with nvidia? I use it [07:51] sflr: the proprietary nVidia drivers actually bypass X.org [07:52] I see. That is a problem! [07:52] or something funny like that [07:52] the ATI drivers are horrible because they don't do that. [07:52] at the end of the day, X.org is horrible, and the wrong way of doing graphics on today's PCs [07:54] this sums up all the details: Online Petition > Open-Source Nvidia Drivers http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html [07:56] sflr: what's the point? the nouveau driver are there, and are actually pretty good. they just need more help, support and testing [07:56] was just reading up on Nouveau now [07:57] -_- try as I might, I can't find any real articles on how the nVidia driver works [07:58] hi drussell [07:59] dont forget tonights meeting here drussell [08:00] Kilos: heya Kilos, I'lll be around :o) [08:01] * Kilos spose being around is better than being asquare [08:02] superfly: Nouveau is built by reverse engineering the nvidia drivers. I don't see this working out in the long run. Somebody needs to slap around Nvidia [08:02] * Kilos smells conspiracy [08:03] sure billy boy is involved [08:08] Kilos: no, not billyboy, just companies that think that everything they produce needs to be proitected [08:08] *protected [08:08] ah [08:08] has he given up? [08:10] maia is gonna try make it tonight [08:19] Kilos: just tell her that nuvolari has stated his willingness to run the show for tonight [08:19] then I think we need to decide at teh end of the meeting who will do it next round [08:19] the* [08:20] won't be nice if we start bickering about the subject during the meeting [08:23] there are to many other issues to be discussed [08:53] hehe [08:53] the monkey and nuvo said inna mails nuvo is willing [08:54] i dont know if this meeting with be done in an hour [08:54] closer to 2 methinks [08:55] 6 topics, 10 minutes each. [08:55] oh is that all [08:55] if it is more than an hour, it should be advertised as such. [08:55] agenda says from 19.30 until 20.30 [08:56] if we run out of time, rather postpone items until the next meeting [08:56] ah maybe the 20.30 should just be left out [08:57] Kilos: I really don't think we need to discuss to many things at lenght [08:57] maybe guys can be around longer. its only once a month [08:58] I think if the chair is well prepared we can do it within the hour [08:58] oh just brief discussion to be followed up after the meeting kinda thing? [08:58] but if it goes over a bit, it won't matter to much [08:58] but we should try to keep things tight [08:59] no joking and no coffee [08:59] sigh [08:59] Under item 5-Events, there are 5 sub-items :) [09:01] sflr: most of those are just so they are officially noted for the reports [09:01] Kilos: I dont mind staying, but it is a matter of principle, if you ask people for an hour from their time, don't expect them to stay longer [09:01] inetpro: I also think we can do it in 1 hour [09:02] ideally feedback should be provided as part of the Agenda and everyone should then have read it before we start the meeting [09:05] sflr: perhaps it would also be wise to state your case abot the NGO up front in the Agenda under Administrativia [09:06] about* [09:07] how come no one said morning to maia when she was online just now [09:07] i was moving sheep [09:07] bad boys [09:08] * SmilyBorg is a tad busy with work stuff [09:09] yeah shoulda been the pro. he only starts work at 5pm [09:09] or 4. i forget now [09:10] ek terg net inetpro [09:10] Kilos: eh [09:11] there maaz will greet her now [09:14] yo NeVeR [09:14] yo yo [09:14] dont forget tonights monthly meeting here hey === NeVeR is now known as NeVeR_ [09:15] hi sakhi plustwo [09:16] hi psydroid Squirm [09:16] Kilos: the bumblebee probably didn't even notice that she joined the channel earlier, just like NeVeR_ [09:17] hmmm [09:17] what meeting? [09:17] bumblebee? [09:17] :-) [09:17] whats the meeting about? [09:17] NeVeR_, monthly ubuntu-za meeting [09:18] oh... I dont think I'll be online tonight.. Not working tonight so taking some family time [09:18] plans for future and ubuntu hours and all relevant ubuntu stuff [09:18] oh my , no jedirc onna cell even? [09:21] my gf and I didnt really spend anytime together tihs weekend because I was working.. We do 1 night a week with no tech.. no TV, no PCs, no cellphones, no tablets, etc... [09:22] otherwise she thinks I dont spend time with her [09:22] ah ok you are forgiven [09:22] thx :> [09:22] hehe [09:23] NeVeR_: and then you still want to be your own boss? [09:23] hehe [09:23] :P Yes... except we'll do an hour a day then instead of a night a week [09:25] NeVeR_: I admire your resolve [09:25] :P [09:26] what's the acronym? BTDT [09:26] we had a big discussion this weekend though.. I got offered a job in CPT on Friday afternoon [09:26] NeVeR_: What company? [09:26] we're going to cpt this weekend to go see if we can fit in [09:26] the company is called waytag [09:27] * superfly has heard of them somewhere [09:27] NeVeR_: would you be doing dev or sysadmin? [09:27] a bit of both.. more dev though [09:28] though I'd have to ensure stability of all their environments and write some scripts for their backups/restores and database optimisation [09:29] NeVeR_: how much are they offering? [09:30] R26k/month [09:30] that's decent [09:30] yea i'll come out with a bit less than I currently do, because I wont be getting paid for 80+ hours overtime [09:31] but I'll hopefully not have to work those 80+ hours :P [09:32] I currently work way more than 80 hours after work, but allot of it isn't overtime authorised work [09:32] Like worked the whole weekend to make a deadline for today, which I can't claim for :| [09:33] ouch [09:33] was worth it! this weekends work will save me about 6 hours admin / week [09:33] thats good if you stay there [09:34] yea unfortunately at this company I've dug myself a whole that I can't get out... I'm the team leader of our deployment team, and I hate deployments.. its so boring and tedious [09:35] I can't get out of it because people somehow just can't cope with the workload and they keep resigning [09:35] eish [09:36] anyone here from jhb looking for a callcenter job? My aunt is looking for 50+ callcenter agents.. I'm posting this wherever I can. [09:36] R12k/month [09:55] I'm also looking for lithuanian and vietnamese call center agents in Cape Town :) [09:56] inetpro: We can mention NPO as an idea, but still need to work out action plan, etc [09:56] + I will add the item to the agenda [09:56] hello Kilos [09:57] hi Kilos [09:57] hi all [09:58] harrow prease [09:58] hehe [09:58] ah so [09:59] hallo dan :) [10:04] sflr: cool I agree, it may be a point for many lenghty discussions [10:53] Maaz, whats for lunch [10:53] I'm sure Kentucky would go down well Kilos [10:57] drubin, all well with you? === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] [12:01] yo Kerbero[afk] [12:31] hi amanica [12:31] meeting tonight here at 19>30 hey [12:32] dunno if Banlam and bakuman are noting the fact too [12:33] what fact? [12:34] lol meeting tonight Banlam [12:34] really? [12:34] i had no idea [12:34] hahaha [12:34] :P [12:34] i may be stupid but im not a fool [12:34] hehe [13:53] smile, a while [13:53] hi :) [13:53] I have to study in some minutes ;) [13:53] :p [13:53] enjoy [13:55] thanks ;) [13:55] bye :) [13:55] bye! :D [13:55] yw [13:55] be good [13:55] :DD [13:55] :) [14:19] guys , using kubuntu how can ian work on a remote windows pc? [14:19] is there a way? [14:21] or is there a free tool one can use like teamviewer? [14:21] there is teamviewer for linux [14:22] did you try KRDC? remote desktop [14:22] got forced to use it at work the other day [14:22] made my skin crawl [14:22] teamviewer also works well [14:22] Vinagre is another rdp/vnc client that is in the ubuntu repositories [14:23] yeah he uses team viewer but its not free and the company is struggling some now [14:24] will tell him to install vinagre ty SmilyBorg [14:24] if you are connecting to windows boxen and can do port forwards or directly routed access to the systems, RDP works fairly well [14:24] just no RDP on windows 7 home though [14:24] has to be pro or something like that [14:25] no prob [14:26] he is installing vinagre [14:26] well see [14:28] I thought teamviewer is free for personal use [14:28] SmilyBorg, what must be done from the clients side please [14:28] its business sflr [14:29] all their clients that use security cams and finger/thumb/palmprint viewers [14:29] ian is my son btw [14:29] that varies depending on the client's setup. [14:30] must vinagre be installed both sides? [14:30] enabeling RDP in windows is fairly easy, just right click on "My Computer", find the "remote access" tab and enable it. The user account has to have a password though [14:31] no, Vinagre is just a client to connect to the built in Windows remote desktop functionality [14:31] oh [14:31] he is trying to get here with quassel [14:31] not setup yet methinks [14:32] In most cases you would need to setup a port forward from the client's router to a PC inside the organization that you can connect to. once you connect to that pc, you can use the windows remote desktop client to connect to any other windows box on the network. [14:33] Kilos: KRDC is part of Kubuntu - I use it all the time at work [14:33] its true. most companies block RDP. also he must check if company policy allowes to open remote connection to work PCs [14:34] good point sflr [14:34] they have allowed him with teamviewer before [14:34] but if that is the case, then team viewer would probably not be allowed either [14:34] they cant wait for him to travel there [14:34] was just raising the point, my not be applicable :) [14:34] *might* [14:34] then again, team viewer has a degree of access controll a bit better then windows remote desktop [14:34] superfly, KRDC? [14:35] Kilos: yup, it's in the Internet menu [14:35] yeah, KRDC is the bomb. use it every day. [14:35] in repos? [14:36] ty superfly i think he is sukkeling some with quassel [14:36] have to copy paste here to pidgin mxit [14:36] Kilos: it's already installed, he just has to use it. [14:37] have just told him that ty superfly [14:38] this may be helpful too as far as explaining about the port forwarding that is needed. http://lifehacker.com/5831841/know-your-network-lesson-4-accessing-your-home-computers-from-anywhere [14:38] ty SmilyBorg [14:38] no prob. life hacker have some really good tutorials about this sort of thing [14:41] i see i have krdc in my repos too [14:41] Good day all. [14:41] WOLFEYES, hiya [14:42] SmilyBorg, WOLFEYES is ian [14:42] Hey there WOLFEYES [14:43] hey there SmilyBorg [14:43] Sorry was on the phone. [14:45] I am trying to move all my stuff away from windows, but the clients I work with all use windows, so there is certain applications I still need to use, a link something similar to teamviewer, "hopefully free", is just one of them SmilyBorg [14:45] heya superfly , inetpro [14:46] try krdc WOLFEYES [14:47] I will just have to work out how it works first, ty Kilos [14:48] KRDC and Vinagre are 2 linux apps that will talk to the built in windows remote desktop service [14:50] the trick is that you would need to know the address of the client router and have port forwards setup to use it [14:50] this may be helpful too as far as explaining about the port forwarding that is needed. http://lifehacker.com/5831841/know-your-network-lesson-4-accessing-your-home-computers-from-anywhere [14:50] Nice, and what is required from the clients side to be put in SmilyBorg ? [14:50] Ooo yeah let me read that, brb, ty SmilyBorg [14:51] just to enable the port forward, enable RDP on a pc and maybe to setup a dyndns or no-ip type client [14:51] the howtoos on lifehacker are fairly good [14:51] anyway, sorry, but I have to run. got people coming to hook up my new stove just now [14:52] later then SmilyBorg [14:52] Ok ty [14:52] no prob. hope it helps [14:52] Cheers SmilyBorg , have fun :-) [14:53] hi WOLFEYES, wb [14:53] * inetpro tries to finish some more work before heading home and getting ready for the meeting [14:54] ty ty inetpro [14:58] Nice to see this room having grown a bit. [14:59] no man its smaller at the moment [15:00] It was even smaller than this the last time I was here lol. [15:01] lol man vinagre [15:02] too much for me to follow [15:46] lol smile tired of studying already? [15:46] * superfly doesn't blame him [15:46] whats he studying? [15:46] heavy stuff? [15:47] hi ;) [15:47] just eaten ^^ [15:47] Dunno... Ask him [15:47] at 18h will go back studying :) [15:47] what you studying smile ? [15:47] Kilos: Information science (computers) - theory :) [15:48] practice is for the day after tomorrow [15:48] Oh joy. [15:48] I remember studying Information Systems and other similar subjects. Boredom of note. [15:49] ai that makes it hard to concentrate hey [15:50] It's like studying history. [15:50] im lucky at this stage of life. only get bored when no internet connection [15:50] it's easy. about networking & computer crime :p [15:51] who is bieber? [15:52] In fact, it IS studying history. [15:52] smile: that is more interesting [15:52] superfly: yes :) [15:53] Security is interesting in practice, but personally I prefer the creativity of programming. [15:53] yeah. we also have that :) [15:55] vb.net, but yeah :( [15:56] lo highvoltage [15:56] wb highvoltage [15:56] Ugh, OK, then security is FAAR more interesting [15:56] hey there everyone [15:57] highvoltage: go enjoy your lunch :-) [15:57] hey highvoltage [15:57] hey highvoltage [15:57] Kilos: he said he'll try to make it for the meeting [15:58] who? [15:58] Kilos: he guy on high voltage [15:59] ty highvoltage [15:59] the live wire inetpro ? [16:00] Kilos: yep, he's one of those for sure [16:00] hehe [16:00] i have to go, bye! :) [16:00] not unlike tumbleweed [16:01] cheers smile [16:01] tumbleweed, you gonna be here tonight [16:01] * inetpro wonders whether the wind has carried him back to the land [16:01] ? [16:02] * tumbleweed is here [16:02] he didnt say where he was flying to last night [16:02] ahh, very nice [16:02] just busy playing with my new rasberry pi [16:02] wb tumbleweed [16:08] inetpro, hows the little one? [16:08] Kilos: doing well thanks [16:08] good [16:10] * Kilos feels like a housewife today [16:13] yo queery [16:13] hi [16:13] what time is the meeting? [16:13] 19.30 [16:13] ok cool [16:13] wil go home and sign on if i remember [16:13] lol [16:13] go safe [16:13] thanx [16:14] Eish that is going to be to late for me. [16:18] tumbleweed: nice! Still waiting for mine. [16:18] hi sflr [16:19] got home to find it waiting [16:21] hi locos [16:26] yo magespawn [16:26] Hey Kilos [16:26] Evening all [16:27] heya magespawn [16:28] Hi WOLFEYES [16:32] hi Mezenir [16:32] hey kilos [16:32] how goes ? [16:32] hi all [16:32] wb smile [16:32] * inetpro watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA [16:32] good ty and you [16:32] heya Mezenir [16:32] Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds [16:33] pretty good [16:33] catching up with the rest of the stuff I missed last night [16:33] does anyone have experience making an openssl package ? [16:33] i made an rpm for openssl [16:33] but when i try to install it [16:33] it complains about a dependency on WWW::Curl::Easy [16:34] which i find strange [16:34] @inetpro what with the ops? [16:34] WOLFEYES: thanks :) [16:34] since it didnt complain when i installed using make install directly [16:34] magespawn: ops? [16:34] only when using the rpm [16:34] lol [16:34] my guess is making the rpm generated a false auto dependency [16:35] The @ symbol. Does it noe mean you are a channel operator? [16:35] magespawn: AFAIK nuvolari will be running the meeting [16:35] so he can kick us when naughty magespawn [16:35] hmm... who opped me? [16:35] Thats what I thought. [16:35] inetpro, leave it [16:35] makes you look important [16:36] hehe [16:36] hi aurelia [16:36] i finished learning :) [16:36] never seen you here before [16:36] * nuvolari heard his name [16:36] Kilos: hmm... [16:36] yay smile now relax for an hour then meeting time [16:37] nuvolari: have you had dinner? [16:37] RIM Manufacturing Partner Pulls the Plug On BlackBerry Phones http://bit.ly/KfEjS9 [16:37] inetpro: not yet [16:37] eet gou nuvolari [16:38] 53 mins till you start working [16:38] I'll be back later. Need to charge my battery. [16:38] * inetpro notices more and more people entering the room [16:38] k magespawn [16:38] yeah inetpro lekker hey [16:38] queery: wb [16:39] thanx [16:39] queery, do you tweet? [16:39] i does [16:39] @djnoeth [16:39] queery: did you notice your name on the agenda? [16:39] i did not [16:39]