[06:25] <sflr> gutten morgen!
[06:41] <inetpro> good mornings everyone and sflr
[06:43] <sflr> hi inetpro
[07:09] <Kilos> morning superfly and alllll others
[07:09] <superfly> heya Kilos
[07:11] <Kilos> you havent join us on twitter ubuntu-za superfly . hope all well with you and family
[07:11] <Kilos> yo zeref 
[07:12] <superfly> Kilos: jammer, been a bit busy
[07:12] <Kilos> hi sflr 
[07:12] <Kilos> np superfly 
[07:14] <superfly> Kilos: oom, try not to post personal stuff on the Ubuntu ZA twitter account (like how KDE is  taking over your PC)
[07:15] <Kilos> ok superfly 
[07:15] <Kilos> sorry
[07:16] <sflr> hi Kilos!
[07:18] <sflr> twitter account is for ubuntuza announcements, etc. Good place to announce tonight's meeting :)
[07:20] <Kilos> yo SmilyBorg power on yet
[07:20] <Kilos> hehe
[07:20] <sflr> hi SmilyBorg 
[07:20] <Kilos> and telcom didnt come
[07:20] <SmilyBorg> Hey folks
[07:21] <sflr> running on Duracell bunny batteries. hehe
[07:21] <SmilyBorg> ya, power came back some time on friday
[07:21] <SmilyBorg> telkom installed the line, but still need to activate ADSL
[07:22] <Kilos> lets hope its done by 19.30 for tonights monthly meeting here
[07:23] <Kilos> morning HawkiesZA inetpro 
[07:24] <sflr> SmilyBorg: I use Afrihost to manage my Telkom ADSL. At least they come back to you with updates :)
[07:24] <inetpro> good morning superfly and Kilos
[07:24] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: wb
[07:24] <SmilyBorg> got stuck in traffic for 2 hours after the telkom install thanks to top gear :-(
[07:24] <superfly> hi inetpro, SmilyBorg and sflr
[07:25] <SmilyBorg> will just use internet at my girlfriend's place tonight.
[07:25] <Kilos> good
[07:25] <inetpro> ping HawkiesZA, will you be at tonight's meeting?
[07:27] <inetpro> Kilos: I agree with superfly that some of those messages may be irrelevant from a ubuntu-za perspective
[07:28] <Kilos> is kde not part of ubuntu?
[07:28] <inetpro> that twitter account should really be low volume communication, especially when there are many followers
[07:28] <Kilos> but i take note and will do so
[07:29] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos, inetpro
[07:29] <inetpro> Kilos: it's personal stuff that belongs in your sharpeys account
[07:29] <HawkiesZA> inetpro: I'll try my best. What time is it?
[07:29] <Kilos> 19.30 HawkiesZA 
[07:30]  * HawkiesZA reads the top title
[07:30] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: you're on the Agenda
[07:30] <HawkiesZA> inetpro: I am?
[07:31] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: yep, just go to that link for the Agenda in the topic
[07:31] <inetpro> just a quick feedback about your UH event in Rosebank
[07:33] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: or get your buddies who arranged that UH
[07:33] <inetpro> but a word of encouragement for others to keep doing these events would be nice
[07:33] <inetpro> lessons learnt, etc
[07:34] <inetpro> anyway, that's for tonight
[07:35] <inetpro> BTW, did you guys see that video of Linus Torvalds?
[07:35] <SmilyBorg> which one?
[07:36] <superfly> inetpro: saw talk about it, never watched it
[07:36] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: just google news for nvidia
[07:36] <SmilyBorg> heard rumors that he ripped nvidia a new one, but havnt seen the video
[07:37] <inetpro> many many links like "Linus Torvalds is livid -- directs middle digit at Nvidia"
[07:37] <inetpro> Maaz: google nvidia linus
[07:37] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[07:37] <Maaz> inetpro: "Linus Torvald says “Fuck you, NVIDIA” for “Not supporting Linux ..." http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/06/linus-torvald-says-fuck-you-nvidia-for-not-supporting-linux/ :: "Linux architect Linus Torvalds to Nvidia: “F*** You” - SlashGear" http://www.slashgear.com/linux-architect-linus-torvalds-to-nvidia-f-you-17234299/ :: "Linus Torvalds Rips Into NVIDIA For Lack of Linux Support ..." http://hothardware.com/News/Linus-Torvalds
[07:39]  * inetpro enjoyed listening to the guy last night just before going to sleep
[07:49] <sflr> what's wrong with nvidia? I use it
[07:51] <superfly> sflr: the proprietary nVidia drivers actually bypass X.org
[07:52] <sflr> I see. That is a problem!
[07:52] <superfly> or something funny like that
[07:52] <superfly> the ATI drivers are horrible because they don't do that.
[07:52] <superfly> at the end of the day, X.org is horrible, and the wrong way of doing graphics on today's PCs
[07:54] <sflr> this sums up all the details: Online Petition > Open-Source Nvidia Drivers http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html
[07:56] <superfly> sflr: what's the point? the nouveau driver are there, and are actually pretty good. they just need more help, support and testing
[07:56] <sflr> was just reading up on Nouveau now
[07:57] <superfly> -_- try as I might, I can't find any real articles on how the nVidia driver works
[07:58] <Kilos> hi drussell 
[07:59] <Kilos> dont forget tonights meeting here drussell 
[08:00] <drussell> Kilos: heya Kilos, I'lll be around :o)
[08:01]  * Kilos spose being around is better than being asquare
[08:02] <sflr> superfly: Nouveau is built by reverse engineering the nvidia drivers. I don't see this working out in the long run. Somebody needs to slap around Nvidia
[08:02]  * Kilos smells conspiracy
[08:03] <Kilos> sure billy boy is involved
[08:08] <superfly> Kilos: no, not billyboy, just companies that think that everything they produce needs to be proitected
[08:08] <superfly> *protected
[08:08] <Kilos> ah
[08:08] <Kilos> has he given up?
[08:10] <Kilos> maia is gonna try make it tonight
[08:19] <inetpro> Kilos: just tell her that nuvolari has stated his willingness to run the show for tonight
[08:19] <inetpro> then I think we need to decide at teh end of the meeting who will do it next round
[08:19] <inetpro> the*
[08:20] <inetpro> won't be nice if we start bickering about the subject during the meeting
[08:23] <inetpro> there are to many other issues to be discussed
[08:53] <Kilos> hehe
[08:53] <Kilos> the monkey and nuvo said inna mails nuvo is willing
[08:54] <Kilos> i dont know if this meeting with be done in an hour
[08:54] <Kilos> closer to 2 methinks
[08:55] <sflr> 6 topics, 10 minutes each.
[08:55] <Kilos> oh is that all
[08:55] <sflr> if it is more than an hour, it should be advertised as such.
[08:55] <sflr> agenda says from 19.30 until 20.30
[08:56] <sflr> if we run out of time, rather postpone items until the next meeting
[08:56] <Kilos> ah maybe the 20.30 should just be left out
[08:57] <inetpro> Kilos: I really don't think we need to discuss to many things at lenght
[08:57] <Kilos> maybe guys can be around longer. its only once a month
[08:58] <inetpro> I think if the chair is well prepared we can do it within the hour
[08:58] <Kilos> oh just brief discussion to be followed up after the meeting kinda thing?
[08:58] <inetpro> but if it goes over a bit, it won't matter to much
[08:58] <inetpro> but we should try to keep things tight
[08:59] <Kilos> no joking and no coffee
[08:59] <Kilos> sigh
[08:59] <sflr> Under item 5-Events, there are 5 sub-items :)
[09:01] <inetpro> sflr: most of those are just so they are officially noted for the reports
[09:01] <sflr> Kilos: I dont mind staying, but it is a matter of principle, if you ask people for an hour from their time, don't expect them to stay longer
[09:01] <sflr> inetpro: I also think we can do it in 1 hour
[09:02] <inetpro> ideally feedback should be provided as part of the Agenda and everyone should then have read it before we start the meeting
[09:05] <inetpro> sflr: perhaps it would also be wise to state your case abot the NGO up front in the Agenda under Administrativia
[09:06] <inetpro> about*
[09:07] <Kilos> how come no one said morning to maia when she was online just now
[09:07] <Kilos> i was moving sheep
[09:07] <Kilos> bad boys
[09:08]  * SmilyBorg is a tad busy with work stuff
[09:09] <Kilos> yeah shoulda been the pro. he only starts work at 5pm
[09:09] <Kilos> or 4. i forget now
[09:10] <Kilos> ek terg net inetpro 
[09:10] <inetpro> Kilos: eh
[09:11] <Kilos> there maaz will greet her now
[09:14] <Kilos> yo NeVeR 
[09:14] <NeVeR> yo yo
[09:14] <Kilos> dont forget tonights monthly meeting here hey
[09:15] <Kilos> hi sakhi plustwo 
[09:16] <Kilos> hi psydroid Squirm 
[09:16] <inetpro> Kilos: the bumblebee probably didn't even notice that she joined the channel earlier, just like NeVeR_ 
[09:17] <Kilos> hmmm
[09:17] <NeVeR_> what meeting?
[09:17] <Kilos> bumblebee?
[09:17] <inetpro> :-)
[09:17] <NeVeR_> whats the meeting about?
[09:17] <Kilos> NeVeR_, monthly ubuntu-za meeting
[09:18] <NeVeR_> oh... I dont think I'll be online tonight.. Not working tonight so taking some family time
[09:18] <Kilos> plans for future and ubuntu hours and all relevant ubuntu stuff
[09:18] <Kilos> oh my , no jedirc onna cell even?
[09:21] <NeVeR_> my gf and I didnt really spend anytime together tihs weekend because I was working.. We do 1 night a week with no tech.. no TV, no PCs, no cellphones, no tablets, etc...
[09:22] <NeVeR_> otherwise she thinks I dont spend time with her
[09:22] <Kilos> ah ok you are forgiven
[09:22] <NeVeR_> thx :>
[09:22] <NeVeR_> hehe
[09:23] <superfly> NeVeR_: and then you still want to be your own boss?
[09:23] <Kilos> hehe
[09:23] <NeVeR_> :P Yes... except we'll do an hour a day then instead of a night a week
[09:25] <superfly> NeVeR_: I admire your resolve
[09:25] <NeVeR_> :P
[09:26] <superfly> what's the acronym? BTDT
[09:26] <NeVeR_> we had a big discussion this weekend though.. I got offered a job in CPT on Friday afternoon
[09:26] <superfly> NeVeR_: What company?
[09:26] <NeVeR_> we're going to cpt this weekend to go see if we can fit in
[09:26] <NeVeR_> the company is called waytag
[09:27]  * superfly has heard of them somewhere
[09:27] <superfly> NeVeR_: would you be doing dev or sysadmin?
[09:27] <NeVeR_> a bit of both.. more dev though
[09:28] <NeVeR_> though I'd have to ensure stability of all their environments and write some scripts for their backups/restores and database optimisation
[09:29] <superfly> NeVeR_: how much are they offering?
[09:30] <NeVeR_> R26k/month
[09:30] <superfly> that's decent
[09:30] <NeVeR_> yea i'll come out with a bit less than I currently do, because I wont be getting paid for 80+ hours overtime
[09:31] <NeVeR_> but I'll hopefully not have to work those 80+ hours :P
[09:32] <NeVeR_> I currently work way more than 80 hours after work, but allot of it isn't overtime authorised work
[09:32] <NeVeR_> Like worked the whole weekend to make a deadline for today, which I can't claim for :|
[09:33] <Kilos> ouch
[09:33] <NeVeR_> was worth it! this weekends work will save me about 6 hours admin / week
[09:33] <Kilos> thats good if you stay there
[09:34] <NeVeR_> yea unfortunately at this company I've dug myself a whole that I can't get out... I'm the team leader of our deployment team, and I hate deployments.. its so boring and tedious
[09:35] <NeVeR_> I can't get out of it because people somehow just can't cope with the workload and they keep resigning
[09:35] <Kilos> eish
[09:36] <NeVeR_> anyone here from jhb looking for a callcenter job? My aunt is looking for 50+ callcenter agents.. I'm posting this wherever I can.
[09:36] <NeVeR_> R12k/month
[09:55] <sflr> I'm also looking for lithuanian and vietnamese call center agents in Cape Town :)
[09:56] <sflr> inetpro: We can mention NPO as an idea, but still need to work out action plan, etc
[09:56] <sflr> + I will add the item to the agenda
[09:56] <Squirm> hello Kilos
[09:57] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[09:57] <psydroid> hi all
[09:58] <NeVeR_> harrow prease
[09:58] <Kilos> hehe
[09:58] <Kilos> ah so
[09:59] <psydroid> hallo dan :)
[10:04] <inetpro> sflr: cool I agree, it may be a point for many lenghty discussions 
[10:53] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[10:53] <Maaz> I'm sure Kentucky would go down well Kilos
[10:57] <Kilos> drubin, all well with you?
[12:01] <Kilos> yo Kerbero[afk] 
[12:31] <Kilos> hi amanica 
[12:31] <Kilos> meeting tonight here at 19>30 hey
[12:32] <Kilos> dunno if Banlam and bakuman are noting the fact too
[12:33] <Banlam> what fact?
[12:34] <Kilos> lol meeting tonight Banlam 
[12:34] <Banlam> really?
[12:34] <Banlam> i had no idea
[12:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:34] <Banlam> :P
[12:34] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[12:34] <Kilos> hehe
[13:53] <Kilos> smile,  a while
[13:53] <smile> hi :)
[13:53] <smile> I have to study in some minutes ;)
[13:53] <smile> :p
[13:53] <Kilos> enjoy
[13:55] <smile> thanks ;)
[13:55] <smile> bye :)
[13:55] <smile> bye! :D
[13:55] <Kilos> yw
[13:55] <Kilos> be good
[13:55] <smile> :DD
[13:55] <Kilos> :)
[14:19] <Kilos> guys , using kubuntu how can ian work on a remote windows pc?
[14:19] <Kilos> is there a way?
[14:21] <Kilos> or is there a free tool one can use like teamviewer?
[14:21] <SmilyBorg> there is teamviewer for linux
[14:22] <sflr> did you try KRDC? remote desktop
[14:22] <SmilyBorg> got forced to use it at work the other day
[14:22] <SmilyBorg> made my skin crawl
[14:22] <sflr> teamviewer also works well
[14:22] <SmilyBorg> Vinagre is another rdp/vnc client that is in the ubuntu repositories
[14:23] <Kilos> yeah he uses team viewer but its not free and the company is struggling some now
[14:24] <Kilos> will tell him to install vinagre ty SmilyBorg 
[14:24] <SmilyBorg> if you are connecting to windows boxen and can do port forwards or directly routed access to the systems, RDP works fairly well
[14:24] <SmilyBorg> just no RDP on windows 7 home though
[14:24] <SmilyBorg> has to be pro or something like that
[14:25] <SmilyBorg> no prob
[14:26] <Kilos> he is installing vinagre
[14:26] <Kilos> well see
[14:28] <sflr> I thought teamviewer is free for personal use
[14:28] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, what must be done from the clients side please
[14:28] <Kilos> its business sflr 
[14:29] <Kilos> all their clients that use security cams and finger/thumb/palmprint viewers
[14:29] <Kilos> ian is my son btw
[14:29] <SmilyBorg> that varies depending on the client's setup.
[14:30] <Kilos> must vinagre be installed both sides?
[14:30] <SmilyBorg> enabeling RDP in windows is fairly easy, just right click on "My Computer", find the "remote access" tab and enable it. The user account has to have a password though
[14:31] <SmilyBorg> no, Vinagre is just a client to connect to the built in Windows remote desktop functionality
[14:31] <Kilos> oh
[14:31] <Kilos> he is trying to get here with quassel
[14:31] <Kilos> not setup yet methinks
[14:32] <SmilyBorg> In most cases you would need to setup a port forward from the client's router to a PC inside the organization that you can connect to. once you connect to that pc, you can use the windows remote desktop client to connect to any other windows box on the network.
[14:33] <superfly> Kilos: KRDC is part of Kubuntu - I use it all the time at work
[14:33] <sflr> its true. most companies block RDP. also he must check if company policy allowes to open remote connection to work PCs
[14:34] <SmilyBorg> good point sflr
[14:34] <Kilos> they have allowed him with teamviewer before
[14:34] <SmilyBorg> but if that is the case, then team viewer would probably not be allowed either
[14:34] <Kilos> they cant wait for him to travel there
[14:34] <sflr> was just raising the point, my not be applicable :)
[14:34] <sflr> *might*
[14:34] <SmilyBorg> then again, team viewer has a degree of access controll a bit better then windows remote desktop
[14:34] <Kilos> superfly, KRDC?
[14:35] <superfly> Kilos: yup, it's in the Internet menu
[14:35] <sflr> yeah, KRDC is the bomb. use it every day.
[14:35] <Kilos> in repos?
[14:36] <Kilos> ty superfly i think he is sukkeling some with quassel
[14:36] <Kilos> have to copy paste here to pidgin mxit
[14:36] <superfly> Kilos: it's already installed, he just has to use it.
[14:37] <Kilos> have just told him that ty superfly 
[14:38] <SmilyBorg> this may be helpful too as far as explaining about the port forwarding that is needed. http://lifehacker.com/5831841/know-your-network-lesson-4-accessing-your-home-computers-from-anywhere
[14:38] <Kilos> ty SmilyBorg 
[14:38] <SmilyBorg> no prob. life hacker have some really good tutorials about this sort of thing
[14:41] <Kilos> i see i have krdc in my repos too
[14:41] <WOLFEYES> Good day all.
[14:41] <Kilos> WOLFEYES, hiya
[14:42] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, WOLFEYES is ian
[14:42] <SmilyBorg> Hey there WOLFEYES
[14:43] <WOLFEYES> hey there SmilyBorg 
[14:43] <WOLFEYES> Sorry was on the phone.
[14:45] <WOLFEYES> I am trying to move all my stuff away from windows, but the clients I work with all use windows, so there is certain applications I still need to use, a link something similar to teamviewer, "hopefully free", is just one of them SmilyBorg 
[14:45] <WOLFEYES> heya superfly , inetpro 
[14:46] <Kilos> try krdc WOLFEYES 
[14:47] <WOLFEYES> I will just have to work out how it works first, ty Kilos 
[14:48] <SmilyBorg> KRDC and Vinagre are 2 linux apps that will talk to the built in windows remote desktop service
[14:50] <SmilyBorg> the trick is that you would need to know the address of the client router and have port forwards setup to use it
[14:50] <SmilyBorg> this may be helpful too as far as explaining about the port forwarding that is needed. http://lifehacker.com/5831841/know-your-network-lesson-4-accessing-your-home-computers-from-anywhere
[14:50] <WOLFEYES> Nice, and what is required from the clients side to be put in SmilyBorg ?
[14:50] <WOLFEYES> Ooo yeah let me read that, brb, ty SmilyBorg 
[14:51] <SmilyBorg> just to enable the port forward, enable RDP on a pc and maybe to setup a dyndns or no-ip type client
[14:51] <SmilyBorg> the howtoos on lifehacker are fairly good
[14:51] <SmilyBorg> anyway, sorry, but I have to run. got people coming to hook up my new stove just now
[14:52] <Kilos> later then SmilyBorg 
[14:52] <WOLFEYES> Ok ty
[14:52] <SmilyBorg> no prob. hope it helps
[14:52] <WOLFEYES> Cheers SmilyBorg , have fun :-)
[14:53] <inetpro> hi WOLFEYES, wb
[14:53]  * inetpro tries to finish some more work before heading home and getting ready for the meeting
[14:54] <WOLFEYES> ty ty inetpro 
[14:58] <WOLFEYES> Nice to see this room having grown a bit.
[14:59] <Kilos> no man its smaller at the moment
[15:00] <WOLFEYES> It was even smaller than this the last time I was here lol.
[15:01] <Kilos> lol man vinagre
[15:02] <Kilos> too much for me to follow
[15:46] <Kilos> lol smile tired of studying already?
[15:46]  * superfly doesn't blame him
[15:46] <Kilos> whats he studying?
[15:46] <Kilos> heavy stuff?
[15:47] <smile> hi ;)
[15:47] <smile> just eaten ^^
[15:47] <superfly> Dunno... Ask him
[15:47] <smile> at 18h will go back studying :)
[15:47] <Kilos> what you studying smile ?
[15:47] <smile> Kilos: Information science (computers) - theory :)
[15:48] <smile> practice is for the day after tomorrow
[15:48] <superfly> Oh joy.
[15:48] <superfly> I remember studying Information Systems and other similar subjects. Boredom of note.
[15:49] <Kilos> ai that makes it hard to concentrate hey
[15:50] <superfly> It's like studying history.
[15:50] <Kilos> im lucky at this stage of life. only get bored when no internet connection
[15:50] <smile> it's easy. about networking & computer crime :p
[15:51] <Kilos> who is bieber?
[15:52] <superfly> In fact, it IS studying history.
[15:52] <superfly> smile: that is more interesting
[15:52] <smile> superfly: yes :)
[15:53] <superfly> Security is interesting in practice, but personally I prefer the creativity of programming.
[15:53] <smile> yeah. we also have that :)
[15:55] <smile> vb.net, but yeah :(
[15:56] <Kilos> lo highvoltage 
[15:56] <inetpro> wb highvoltage
[15:56] <superfly> Ugh, OK, then security is FAAR more interesting
[15:56] <highvoltage> hey there everyone
[15:57] <inetpro> highvoltage: go enjoy your lunch :-)
[15:57] <superfly> hey highvoltage
[15:57] <WOLFEYES> hey highvoltage 
[15:57] <inetpro> Kilos: he said he'll try to make it for the meeting
[15:58] <Kilos> who?
[15:58] <inetpro> Kilos: he guy on high voltage
[15:59] <Kilos> ty highvoltage 
[15:59] <Kilos> the live wire inetpro ?
[16:00] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, he's one of those for sure
[16:00] <Kilos> hehe
[16:00] <smile> i have to go, bye! :)
[16:00] <inetpro> not unlike tumbleweed
[16:01] <Kilos> cheers smile 
[16:01] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you gonna be here tonight
[16:01]  * inetpro wonders whether the wind has carried him back to the land
[16:01] <Kilos> ?
[16:02]  * tumbleweed is here
[16:02] <Kilos> he didnt say where he was flying to last night
[16:02] <inetpro> ahh, very nice
[16:02] <tumbleweed> just busy playing with my new rasberry pi
[16:02] <inetpro> wb tumbleweed
[16:08] <Kilos> inetpro, hows the little one?
[16:08] <inetpro> Kilos: doing well thanks
[16:08] <Kilos> good
[16:10]  * Kilos feels like a housewife today
[16:13] <Kilos> yo queery 
[16:13] <queery> hi
[16:13] <queery> what time is the meeting?
[16:13] <Kilos> 19.30
[16:13] <queery> ok cool
[16:13] <queery> wil go home and sign on if i remember
[16:13] <Kilos> lol
[16:13] <Kilos> go safe
[16:13] <queery> thanx
[16:14] <WOLFEYES> Eish that is going to be to late for me.
[16:18] <superfly> tumbleweed: nice! Still waiting for mine.
[16:18] <Kilos> hi sflr 
[16:19] <tumbleweed> got home to find it waiting
[16:21] <sflr> hi locos
[16:26] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[16:26] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[16:26] <magespawn> Evening all
[16:27] <WOLFEYES> heya magespawn 
[16:28] <magespawn> Hi WOLFEYES
[16:32] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[16:32] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[16:32] <Mezenir> how goes ?
[16:32] <Mezenir> hi all
[16:32] <WOLFEYES> wb smile 
[16:32]  * inetpro watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA
[16:32] <Kilos> good ty and you
[16:32] <WOLFEYES> heya Mezenir 
[16:32] <inetpro> Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds
[16:33] <Mezenir> pretty good
[16:33] <inetpro> catching up with the rest of the stuff I missed last night
[16:33] <Mezenir> does anyone have experience making an openssl package ?
[16:33] <Mezenir> i made an rpm for openssl
[16:33] <Mezenir> but when i try to install it
[16:33] <Mezenir> it complains about a dependency on WWW::Curl::Easy
[16:34] <Mezenir> which i find strange
[16:34] <magespawn> @inetpro what with the ops?
[16:34] <smile> WOLFEYES: thanks :)
[16:34] <Mezenir> since it didnt complain when i installed using make install directly
[16:34] <inetpro> magespawn: ops?
[16:34] <Mezenir> only when using the rpm
[16:34] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <Mezenir> my guess is making the rpm generated a false auto dependency
[16:35] <magespawn> The @ symbol. Does it noe mean you are a channel operator?
[16:35] <inetpro> magespawn: AFAIK nuvolari will be running the meeting
[16:35] <Kilos> so he can kick us when naughty magespawn 
[16:35] <inetpro> hmm... who opped me?
[16:35] <magespawn> Thats what I thought.
[16:35] <Kilos> inetpro, leave it
[16:35] <Kilos> makes you look important
[16:36] <Kilos> hehe
[16:36] <Kilos> hi aurelia 
[16:36] <smile> i finished learning :)
[16:36] <Kilos> never seen you here before
[16:36]  * nuvolari heard his name
[16:36] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... 
[16:36] <Kilos> yay smile  now relax for an hour then meeting time
[16:37] <inetpro> nuvolari: have you had dinner?
[16:37] <nuvolari> RIM Manufacturing Partner Pulls the Plug On BlackBerry Phones http://bit.ly/KfEjS9
[16:37] <nuvolari> inetpro: not yet
[16:37] <Kilos> eet gou nuvolari 
[16:38] <Kilos> 53 mins till you start working
[16:38] <magespawn> I'll be back later. Need to charge my battery.
[16:38]  * inetpro notices more and more people entering the room
[16:38] <Kilos> k magespawn 
[16:38] <Kilos> yeah inetpro lekker hey
[16:38] <inetpro> queery: wb
[16:39] <queery> thanx
[16:39] <Kilos> queery, do you tweet?
[16:39] <queery> i does
[16:39] <queery> @djnoeth
[16:39] <inetpro> queery: did you notice your name on the agenda?
[16:39] <queery> i did not
[16:39] <queery> what did I do wrong
[16:40] <Kilos> queery, then you gotta join the new ubuntu-za on twitter
[16:40] <queery> ok
[16:40] <inetpro> queery: I just thought a short summary about your UH would be nice
[16:40] <inetpro> between you and those who were there
[16:40] <queery> is it @ubuntu-za?
[16:40] <inetpro> queery: yep, right here
[16:41] <queery> oh right
[16:41] <inetpro> hang on, I mean the meeting is right here
[16:41] <Kilos> lol
[16:41] <inetpro>  Agenda: http://bit.ly/LYp5jY
[16:42] <queery> have you tweeted yet
[16:43] <Kilos> queery, its been open a few days already
[16:43] <Kilos> @ubuntu-za yes
[16:43] <queery> there arnt such a profile
[16:44] <WOLFEYES> Nite all on my way home.
[16:44] <queery> oh found it
[16:44] <Kilos> ok who you i ,will tweet you
[16:44] <Kilos> night WOLFEYES go safe
[16:44] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh nee, it is @ubuntuza with the "-"
[16:44] <inetpro> on twitter that is
[16:45] <queery> Maaz: coffee on
[16:45]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:45] <Kilos> oh my
[16:45] <queery> Maaz: coffee for all
[16:45] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[16:45] <inetpro> Kilos: perhaps we should discuss changing that and add the "-" for consistency
[16:45] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[16:45] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[16:45] <nuvolari> ooh, that's new
[16:45] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[16:45] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[16:46] <queery> thats very old
[16:46] <nuvolari> oh
[16:46] <Kilos> yeah inetpro i dunno why it did that
[16:47] <queery> thats why i couldnt find it
[16:47] <Kilos> i dunno why it made username ubuntuza
[16:47] <queery> shame only a klout of 13
[16:48] <queery> retweet people
[16:48] <Kilos> lol
[16:48]  * nuvolari freaks out
[16:48] <nuvolari> Maaz: previous meeting minutes
[16:48] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[16:48] <queery> why???
[16:48] <Kilos> wassup nuvolari 
[16:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm sure you can actaully rename it without loosing existing followers but the questions is whether is necessary or even worth it
[16:48] <nuvolari> :O
[16:48] <nuvolari> where's the previous meeting minutes? I'm sure it was on the meeting page last night
[16:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery, Kilos and nuvolari!
[16:49] <queery> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-05-21-17-44-22.txt
[16:49] <queery> Maaz: ty
[16:49] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[16:49] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[16:49] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[16:49] <sflr> inetpro: we can change the handle to include 
[16:49] <sflr> "-"
[16:49] <sflr> for cosistency
[16:49] <queery> the handle does
[16:50] <nuvolari> meh, isn't there a list of the recorded meeting logs?
[16:50] <nuvolari> lol
[16:50] <nuvolari> I'm blind
[16:50] <nuvolari> pre-meeting-stress blinds me
[16:51] <queery> its here somewhere http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/
[16:51] <Kilos> hehe
[16:52] <queery> all the txt files
[16:52]  * superfly munches on homemade pizza
[16:53] <Kilos> enjoy superfly 
[16:53]  * nuvolari is jealous
[16:53]  * inetpro quickly goes to try and munch something
[16:53] <nuvolari> ooh, I have some biltong
[16:53] <queery> wait that does not look like a very complete meeting thing
[16:53] <sflr> try this http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/21/%23ubuntu-za.html#t17:30
[16:53] <Kilos> i made chicken soup (very thick) for supper and curry cooking for next 3 days
[16:54] <queery> thanx sflr
[16:56] <Kilos> sflr, is a handy guy to have around
[16:56] <queery> Maaz: botsnack
[16:56] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[16:57] <sflr> queery: here is a better one: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-05-21-17-44-22.html
[16:58]  * nuvolari *snif sniff*
[16:58] <queery> thanx
[16:58] <nuvolari> watching 7de laan
[16:58] <queery> ai
[16:58] <sflr> meeting warmup nuvolari?
[16:58] <Kilos> lol @ nuvolari 
[16:58]  * sflr watching Teletubbies
[16:58] <Kilos> ha ha
[16:59]  * nuvolari has only SABC 2 receptyon
[16:59] <nuvolari> wow
[16:59] <nuvolari> *reception even
[16:59]  * superfly is watching Days of Our IRC
[16:59] <queery> *Geeks of our lives
[16:59] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <sflr> yeah, superfly on the wall
[17:00]  * Kilos go serve supper quick
[17:00] <nuvolari> lol exactly how I like to watch Ghita McGregor: 7de laan tune comes up, she talks but I don't hear anything
[17:00] <sflr> tv or user problem? hehe
[17:01] <nuvolari> no. noo! NO! vodacom, I'm going to freak out again
[17:01] <nuvolari> not now :-/
[17:02] <nuvolari> do we have backup in case I'm going silent?
[17:02] <inetpro> nuvolari: superfly should be able to handle it
[17:02] <inetpro> superfly: ne?
[17:02] <queery> is maia joining us?
[17:03] <inetpro> queery: AFAIK she should be here soon
[17:03] <queery> cool
[17:03] <inetpro> oh and even highvoltage is more than capable to run the show
[17:04]  * inetpro wonders where morgs is hiding these days
[17:04]  * nuvolari knows what put-put is, but did not hear about CPUT before reading it on the agenda :P
[17:06] <inetpro> nuvolari: you clearly missed a number of active days in this channel
[17:06]  * superfly stretches his fingers
[17:06] <charl> hi all
[17:06] <superfly> PC keyboards are much easier to type on
[17:06] <inetpro> charl: wb
[17:06] <charl> the meeting is in 30 mins right?
[17:06] <charl> thanks inetpro 
[17:06] <inetpro> 24
[17:06] <queery> where is hawkies?
[17:06] <charl> cool
[17:06] <nuvolari> inetpro: yeah, I won't argue :(
[17:07] <inetpro> nuvolari: no stress, that's why we have a meeting :-)
[17:07] <inetpro> so everybody can be on par again
[17:08] <charl> sorry for the noob question but what exactly is the meeting about? do we have an agenda?
[17:08] <nuvolari> ack, I need to finish my blog post some time
[17:08] <charl> oh wait sorry just saw the link in the topic :)
[17:09]  * sflr ping
[17:09]  * queery ping sflr
[17:09] <nuvolari> sflr: pong
[17:09] <sflr> tx.still online then :)
[17:09] <charl> lol Kilos i like your launchpad name - msdomdonner
[17:10] <nuvolari> it's only false for the dom part
[17:10] <queery> haha
[17:10] <nuvolari> oom Kilos is everything but that
[17:10] <charl> hahaha
[17:11]  * inetpro agrees with nuvolari
[17:11] <charl> i find that people who classify themselves as "dom" are generally smart and vice versa
[17:11] <charl> maybe that's just me :)
[17:11] <superfly> Kilos has a lot more going on upstairs than he thinks he does
[17:12] <inetpro> charl: that is very true
[17:12] <inetpro> charl: and in fact I had to learn that leson from the man
[17:13]  * nuvolari sets the mood with some Mike Oldfield
[17:14] <inetpro> nuvolari: can you eat it?
[17:14] <Mezenir> so i guess no one here familiar with making rpms ?
[17:14] <inetpro> dLimit: wb
[17:14] <nuvolari> inetpro: well, if you close your eyes and listen carefully you can almost taste it ya
[17:14]  * inetpro lol
[17:15] <superfly> Mezenir: I've had a brief brush with them
[17:15] <Mezenir> awesome
[17:15] <Mezenir> hi btw
[17:15] <Mezenir> :)
[17:15] <superfly> on the other hand, I have successfully submitted a package to Debian
[17:15] <queery> hehe superfly said brief
[17:15] <Mezenir> you ever tried to make a openssl rpm ?
[17:16] <superfly> evening Mezenir :-)
[17:16] <Mezenir> ive made one
[17:16] <queery> hehe superfly said package
[17:16] <superfly> Mezenir: not at all
[17:16] <Mezenir> but i get a dependency error
[17:16] <Mezenir> perl(WWW::Curl::Easy)
[17:16] <Mezenir> im not sure whether openssl actually needs it
[17:17] <Mezenir> or whether its an auto dependency that was generated by rpmbuild because the ldd for one of the perl scripts showed it as a dependenc
[17:17] <Mezenir> y
[17:17] <superfly> openssl is written in C, not sure why it would need a Perl library
[17:17] <Mezenir> yeah
[17:17] <Mezenir> that and the fact that curl can be compiled with openssl support
[17:17] <superfly> Mezenir: I'd remove it
[17:17] <HawkiesZA> Evening
[17:17] <nuvolari> "Warum versteht ihr Mädchen eigentlich unsere Männerlogik nicht?" and vice versa lol
[17:18] <queery> hi HawkiesZA
[17:18] <Mezenir> which would make it a circular dependency if openssl truly needed perl
[17:18] <Mezenir> curl
[17:18] <Mezenir> thing
[17:18] <superfly> Mezenir: bizactly
[17:18] <Kilos> whew you guys been busy
[17:18] <nuvolari> g'evening HawkiesZA 
[17:18]  * Kilos scrolls back
[17:18]  * sflr sets mood: Iron Maiden - Aces High
[17:18] <nuvolari> ya oom, we're warming up
[17:18] <sflr> hi Mezenir, HawkiesZA 
[17:19] <Mezenir> thanks super
[17:19] <nuvolari> that sounds rusty
[17:19] <plustwo> hi all o/
[17:19] <nuvolari> :P
[17:19] <Mezenir> hey sflr
[17:19] <nuvolari> hello plustwo 
[17:19] <inetpro> hi HawkiesZA
[17:19] <sflr> hi +2
[17:19] <superfly> Mezenir: don't take my word as gospel, but that's my logical conclusion
[17:19] <plustwo> o/
[17:19] <Kilos> hi charl 
[17:20] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[17:20] <Mezenir> yeah superfly i came to the same conclusion
[17:20] <Mezenir> since i was able to do a make install without any errors
[17:20] <inetpro> wb plustwo and SmilyBorg
[17:20] <nuvolari> g'evening SmilyBorg 
[17:20] <Mezenir> i would like some official confirmation
[17:21] <Mezenir> but #openssl is a bit quiet
[17:21] <plustwo> thanks for the warm welcome ...
[17:21] <SmilyBorg> hey all
[17:21] <superfly> Mezenir: which specific distro is it for?
[17:21] <Mezenir> haha
[17:21] <Mezenir> mandrake linux
[17:21] <nuvolari> o.O
[17:21] <nuvolari> mandrake?
[17:21] <Mezenir> i was told to ... make it so
[17:21] <superfly> ah, ouch
[17:21] <queery> hi SmilyBorg
[17:22] <nuvolari> mandrake is ancient, not?
[17:22] <Mezenir> yeah
[17:22] <nuvolari> last I heard it was Mandirva
[17:22] <Mezenir> mandrake is no longer supported
[17:23] <Kilos> whew what a job to catch up
[17:23] <Kilos> hi smile 
[17:23] <goar> hi peeps
[17:23] <Kilos> you guys skinner bout me behind my back hey
[17:23] <nuvolari> welcome goar 
[17:23] <Kilos> ho goar
[17:23] <queery> hi goar
[17:24] <nuvolari> Kilos: it's only skinner if we say bad things oom
[17:24] <goar> hey
[17:24] <nuvolari> wb magespawn 
[17:24] <magespawn> Evening 
[17:24] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[17:24] <magespawn> Hi nuvolari
[17:24] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[17:24] <Kilos> 6 mins and counting
[17:24] <plustwo> hi magespawn
[17:24] <Kilos> house nice and full
[17:24] <magespawn> Hi plustwo
[17:25] <queery> still no maia
[17:25] <Kilos> she said she would try her best
[17:25] <Mezenir> hi all people i havent greeted yet and / or those who like being greeted more than once
[17:25] <Kilos> must be very busy poor girl
[17:25] <superfly> Mezenir: have you tried packaging for FreeBSD?
[17:25] <Mezenir> is there a meeting tonight ?
[17:25] <queery> hi Mezenir
[17:25] <queery> yes
[17:26] <superfly> Mezenir: indeed there is :-)
[17:26] <Mezenir> no i havent superfly
[17:26] <smile> hi Kilos 
[17:26] <superfly> Mezenir: try not to, if you can
[17:26] <Mezenir> rofl
[17:26] <Mezenir> i must say
[17:26] <Kilos> wb smile
[17:26] <Mezenir> this was my first attempt at making rpms
[17:26] <Mezenir> and up to now
[17:26] <Mezenir> its gone fairly well
[17:27] <Mezenir> once i understood the concept of a build root anyway
[17:27] <inetpro> nuvolari: you ready? 
[17:27] <inetpro> 3 minutes to go
[17:27] <Kilos> so guys who is new here from the lists
[17:27] <smile> thanks :)
[17:27]  * sflr is new
[17:27] <magespawn> Does FreeBSD software run on apple?
[17:27] <queery> so i count as new?
[17:27] <goar> i am new
[17:27] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za goar
[17:27] <nuvolari> inetpro: affirmative
[17:28] <Kilos> aurelia, helloooo
[17:28] <goar> thanks Kilos
[17:28] <aurelia> hi
[17:28] <Kilos> maiatoday, 
[17:28] <nuvolari> whoot for maiatoday 
[17:28] <Kilos> helloooo
[17:28] <queery> hi aurelia
[17:28] <Kilos> wb
[17:28] <sflr> hi Aurelia :) Steven here
[17:28] <queery> hi maiatoday
[17:28] <plustwo> aurelia: hi
[17:28] <sflr> hi maiatoday 
[17:28] <superfly> magespawn: maybe... it's easier to get Linux stuff running on OS X using Macports
[17:28] <nuvolari> hallo blommetjie
[17:28] <inetpro> wb maiatoday
[17:28] <plustwo> maiatoday: hi
[17:28] <nuvolari> ag
[17:28] <nuvolari> bytjie :P
[17:28] <superfly> maiatoday: hallo!
[17:29] <maiatoday> 'lo all
[17:29]  * Banlam sits down with supper
[17:29] <Kilos> popular chick
[17:29]  * NeVeR_ is hungry now
[17:29] <queery> hi Banlam
[17:29] <Kilos> Banlam, enjoy
[17:29] <magespawn> OS X is based on Free BSD, right?
[17:29] <queery> well BSD
[17:29] <Banlam> evening all
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:30] <Banlam> maaz, i am gareth cawood
[17:30] <Maaz> Banlam: Sure
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Done
[17:30] <queery> Maaz: i am Dewald
[17:30] <Maaz> queery: Righto
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:30] <Mezenir> @ magespawn i didnt knnow that, would be interesting
[17:30] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[17:30] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:30] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[17:30] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[17:30] <Maaz> maiatoday: Sure
[17:30] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Greg Eames
[17:30] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic welcome
[17:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: welcome
[17:31] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:31] <Maaz> superfly: Yessir
[17:31] <plustwo> Maaz: i am Oupa Mokhine
[17:31] <Maaz> plustwo: Sure
[17:31] <nuvolari> yeah, so it seems like there are some new faces!
[17:31] <nuvolari> welcome to every new person
[17:31] <sflr> Maaz: I am Steven Scheffler
[17:31] <Maaz> sflr: Righto
[17:31] <goar> Maaz: I am Marius van Zyl
[17:31] <Maaz> goar: Okay
[17:31] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[17:31] <Maaz> charl: Alrighty
[17:31] <Kilos> yeah we hope to see you more often
[17:31] <nuvolari> I'm sure we would want to be more active, but thanks for everyone hanging around
[17:32] <Mezenir> Maaz: i am Neil du Preez
[17:32] <Maaz> Mezenir: Okay
[17:32] <superfly> magespawn, queery: no, it isn't. It uses some of the BSD and some of the Linux userland tools, but it's another Unix derivative called Darwin
[17:32] <nuvolari> oh my word, we have a lot of people tonight
[17:32] <inetpro> nuvolari: is that a record?
[17:32] <maiatoday> woohoo
[17:32] <Kilos> yeah lekker
[17:32] <queery> true
[17:32] <inetpro> I guess it would be close
[17:33] <nuvolari> dunno about a record, but it's surely more than last time, I think
[17:33] <Kilos> methinks we one short if memory serves
[17:33] <magespawn> It is a lot, and some have not id'd.
[17:33] <Kilos> when drubin was here still
[17:33] <superfly> magespawn, queery: Darwin's kernel is a monolithic-microkernel hybrid, whereas both BSD and Linux are monolithic
[17:33] <nuvolari> I'm not good with hello's and goodbyes, so please help me out if we need some other welcome steps :P
[17:33] <superfly> nuvolari: might I suggest you actually get started?
[17:34] <HawkiesZA> superfly, I believe Linus had something to say about hybrid kernels at one stage
[17:34] <maiatoday> The to things I agreed to do on the minutes I did :D
[17:34] <queery> HawkiesZA: did you identify yourself?
[17:34] <inetpro> looks like highvoltage has not yet returned from lunch
[17:34] <tumbleweed> Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera
[17:34] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Okay
[17:34] <Kilos> nuvolari, you still here
[17:34] <superfly> HawkiesZA: yeah, I think he said they were stupid - I don't think it really matters, but how they get things done would hurt my brain
[17:34] <maiatoday> I got the pretoria release party pics and blogged and I made a list for cd distribution
[17:35] <HawkiesZA> Maaz: I am Gerrit Vermeulen
[17:35] <Maaz> HawkiesZA: Righto
[17:35] <nuvimob> Hrr
[17:35] <Kilos> ah wb nuvimob 
[17:35] <nuvimob> Did I get to change the topic? 
[17:36] <inetpro> great to see so many users around, nuvolariare we going to keep it below an hour?
[17:36] <queery> to the new guys, just say "Maaz: i am <name>
[17:36] <nuvolari> superfly: good point
[17:36] <HawkiesZA> superfly, Yeah, he pretty much said they were marketing ploys. People using them were just trying to get out of the bad marketing wrap that monolithic kernels were getting ;)
[17:36] <queery> "
[17:36] <SmilyBorg> Maaz: I am Una Karlsen
[17:36] <Maaz> SmilyBorg: Yessir
[17:36] <nuvimob> Maaz: current topic
[17:36] <Maaz> nuvimob: Sorry...
[17:36] <aurelia> Maaz: I am Aurelia Drummer
[17:36] <Maaz> aurelia: Done
[17:37] <SmilyBorg> grr, that's ma'am not sir
[17:37] <maiatoday> oops sorry nuvolari i jumped the gun and started giving feedback on the meeting minutes, sorry.
[17:37] <superfly> nuvimob: I think you need to use your normal nick
[17:37] <Kilos> superfly, maybe nuvo needs help
[17:37] <Kilos> he on fone now
[17:37] <nuvimob> Sorry guys,  fighting with my connection 
[17:37] <maiatoday> Kilos, you wanna try your hand at chairing?
[17:37] <amanica> Maaz: I am Marius Kruger
[17:37] <Maaz> amanica: Sure
[17:37] <Kilos> no ty maiatoday 
[17:38] <Kilos> inetpro, was ready to do it
[17:38] <maiatoday> oh ja
[17:38] <maiatoday> ok then
[17:38] <Kilos> inetpro, hop onna chair
[17:38] <inetpro> hmm... I'll do it if necessary, but I don't have the rights
[17:38] <superfly> Maaz: grant inetpro chairmeeting
[17:38] <Maaz> superfly: Excuse me?
[17:39] <Kilos> HawkiesZA, wb
[17:39] <magespawn> @
[17:39] <HawkiesZA|> Apologies, looks like Compiz and I are going to have some fun tonight
[17:39] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions
[17:39] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: chairmeeting
[17:39] <HawkiesZA|> Now on my tablet
[17:39] <inetpro> ahh... looks like I can do it
[17:39]  * inetpro taking the hot seat
[17:40] <Kilos> haha
[17:40] <inetpro> topic Review previous minutes
[17:40] <inetpro> oops
[17:40]  * maiatoday hands inetpro a refreshing mint
[17:40] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Review previous minutes
[17:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[17:40] <Kilos> rofl
[17:40] <inetpro> thanks maiatoday
[17:40] <maiatoday> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-05-21-17-44-22.txt
[17:40] <highvoltage> inetpro: I was back from lunch but had some emergency admin to tend to :)
[17:41] <inetpro> Ok, I was not at that meeting, anything special there?
[17:41] <Kilos> np highvoltage login with Maaz please
[17:41] <nuvolari> tsk :(
[17:41]  * highvoltage has no idea how to do that
[17:41] <Kilos>    maaz I am Name
[17:41] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:41] <maiatoday> the two actions were for me to get the release party photos and and to get a list of people who want cds
[17:41] <highvoltage> Maaz: I am Jonathan Carter
[17:41] <Maaz> highvoltage: Alrighty
[17:41] <magespawn> Lol
[17:41] <maiatoday> I did both
[17:42] <highvoltage> cool, I think that did it :)
[17:42] <Kilos> yip
[17:42] <maiatoday> here's the agenda http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/436/detail/
[17:43] <queery> ok you now have my address
[17:43] <nuvolari> so was there a lot of ubuntu-hours?
[17:43] <inetpro> ok, has everybody read through the Agenda?
[17:43] <nuvolari> I don't know when we'll get together for one here in kzn
[17:43] <maiatoday> The cds are here, I have given the stellenbosch people some, I have the addresses, i need to go to the post-office with a heap of padded envelopes. I hope I'll get it done this week.
[17:43] <nuvolari> looking so much forward to one but we don't get around to actually getting together
[17:43] <maiatoday> I didn't do an ubuntu hour, but you had one queery?
[17:44] <inetpro> hang on nuvolari, we're still on the previous meeting 
[17:44] <inetpro> shall we move on?
[17:44] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Administrativia & Announcements
[17:44] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements
[17:44] <queery> you but isn't that a topic on it's owbn
[17:44] <nuvolari> eh? I'm talking about the missed opportunities :P not discussing new ones
[17:44] <maiatoday> ok sorry ja
[17:45] <sflr> On administrativa..
[17:45] <inetpro> it's been nice to meet sflr on this channel
[17:45] <maiatoday> I see you have an item
[17:45] <inetpro> sflr: can you introduce yourself with your fine ideas for the future
[17:45] <sflr> The twitter account was created to serve us as communication channel
[17:45] <maiatoday> yay for the twitter account
[17:45] <nuvolari> so, who's running ubuntu-za twitter? :P
[17:45] <inetpro> nuvolari: you back and stable?
[17:46] <sflr> currently Kilos mamaging it, but we need 2-3 more ppl who willing to tweet
[17:46] <nuvolari> inetpro: for now it seems
[17:46] <inetpro> cool, you're welcome to continue
[17:46] <sflr> Yeah, hi! I'm Steven Scheffler from Cape Town
[17:46] <nuvolari> hello Steven Scheffler from Cape Town
[17:46] <nuvolari> :P
[17:46] <superfly> I think we need a separate twitter client or interface, cause otherwise we post "personal" stuff by mistake
[17:46] <magespawn> What topics do we cover in the twitter account?
[17:47] <sflr> that's for twitter. please let us know who would be interested in twitter.
[17:47] <superfly> sflr: where in cpt are you located, btw?
[17:47] <maiatoday> I'll tweet on the twitter account, I am not such an active tweeter but I'll post the bubuntu announcements I know of
[17:47] <sflr> @ubuntuza is only for the Loco Community announcements. no personal stuff
[17:47] <nuvolari> I can tweet after hours generally
[17:47] <sflr> I am in Cape Town CBD
[17:47] <inetpro> I think that account should be as low volume as possible
[17:47] <sflr> the twitter accounts should be low traffic. high followers :)
[17:48] <nuvolari> just a question, do we have an identica account as well?
[17:48] <sflr> yeah inetpro 
[17:48] <nuvolari> and who's still on identi.ca?
[17:48] <magespawn> Okay so only official ubuntu-za stuff?
[17:48] <inetpro> hmm... I'm still there somewhere
[17:48] <sflr> yes, only official stuff. as a communication channel
[17:49] <magespawn> Maybe we could draw up a set of guidlines?
[17:49] <sflr> ok, someone offered. I can also do twitter responsability
[17:49] <superfly> it might be nice to forward tips and tricks from sites like omgubuntu and webupd8
[17:49] <nuvolari> yeah, would be really helpful for notifications, as we don't get to be on IRC 24/7 :P
[17:49] <inetpro> sflr: I think we can all agree that it's a good idea to set it up and then move on to do it afterwards, any objections?
[17:49] <sflr> yes, we need that magespawn. but its not in the scope of the meeting. so we can do that some other time?
[17:49] <magespawn> Yup
[17:49] <sflr> yes, I agree. moving on...
[17:49] <sflr> Website updates:
[17:49] <nuvolari> NPO  registration
[17:50] <sflr> Website updates: :)
[17:50] <sflr> we have few portals, but most of them seems outdates
[17:50] <sflr> outdated
[17:50] <maiatoday> yeah they are outdated
[17:50] <nuvolari> oh, sorry 
[17:50] <sflr> I was thinking we can focus and updated the local one
[17:50] <sflr> like there is "forum" and "wiki", do you use those?
[17:51] <nuvolari> we don't use the forum afaik
[17:51] <maiatoday> the wiki is for when we need to do approval
[17:51] <tumbleweed> there is an ubuntu-za part of the forum, but nobody really cares about it
[17:51] <nuvolari> and we discussed it once
[17:51] <maiatoday> sometimes there are forum posts but no-one hangs out there much
[17:51] <sflr> wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication - has lots of info, but needs to be updated
[17:51] <sflr> ok, then we should remove links to the Forum
[17:51] <nuvolari> oh, I remember, we debated forum vs mailing list
[17:51] <maiatoday> no we only update that page when we are up for reaproval
[17:51] <inetpro> drubin used to be very active on the forums
[17:52] <sflr> ok
[17:52] <maiatoday> so we don't update that page now, that was our previous reapproval
[17:52] <sflr> http://ubuntu-za.org/: we need to include latest distros
[17:52] <sflr> yes, i understand about the wiki
[17:52] <tumbleweed> there's no reason the forums couldn't see more activity, but clealy the current members don't spend so much time on them...
[17:52] <maiatoday> the people that run the loco ask us to put together a report for re-approval verery 2 years
[17:52] <sflr> Events link on the site shows 1970. needs to be fixed.
[17:52] <sflr> plus add a twitter feed.
[17:53]  * nuvolari gets out his cane
[17:53] <sflr> how is running with the website updates and changes?
[17:53] <sflr> ok maiatoday, its clear now
[17:53] <maiatoday> do you mean the ubuntu-za website? I update there when I remember, but I think not lots of people do
[17:53] <sflr> tumbleweed: i think there is lots of sites I think. We cant keep updating so many
[17:54] <sflr> yes maiatoday , http://ubuntu-za.org/
[17:54] <sflr> ok, these are some observations and suggestions. Action can be taken outside this meeting.
[17:54] <goar> i think it would be easier if there was one main site
[17:54] <sflr> A group of ppl who want to be involved and action it
[17:54] <inetpro> I think everybody should be able to contribute in one way or the other on our websites
[17:54] <inetpro> even if it's just feedback
[17:55] <queery> can't they?
[17:55] <maiatoday> one main site is good but we still feedback into the main ubuntu community and they may want different things in different places
[17:55] <queery> did I get special priv?
[17:55] <magespawn> I'll make an effort to go past the forums regularly.
[17:55] <sflr> yes inetpro to contribute. but for example after every meeting the sites should be updated with latest info
[17:55] <superfly> I have an alert on the ZA forums, and I try to answer questions when they arise
[17:56] <superfly> sflr: I'm "in charge" of the web site
[17:56] <sflr> thats good to hear. we should review the forums then. eyes like superfly and magespawn can keep an eye on activity there
[17:56] <inetpro> sflr: perhaps we should ask everyody who is willing to help to stick around in the channel in the next few days so we can take it forward
[17:56] <sflr> yes, we can go through the minutes tomorrow and take it from there
[17:56] <sflr> moving on?
[17:57] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:57] <maiatoday> ok also sflr mail me if you need more info and if I can help
[17:57] <inetpro> anything actions for the minutes?
[17:57] <superfly> nuvolari: are you maintaining the meeting with Maaz?
[17:57] <nuvolari> superfly: yeah, but inetpro helped when I got disconnected
[17:57] <sflr> yes, action from minutes
[17:58] <sflr> next on: Idea of registering UbuntuZA as NPO to secure sponsorships for projects, marketing, and secure booths at big events.
[17:58] <sflr> we were talking here about it the other night
[17:58] <sflr> to make it a legal entity to be able to raise sponsorship
[17:58] <maiatoday> maaz agreed sflr and volunteers to meet on irc and solve the multiple site conundrum
[17:58] <Maaz> Agreed: sflr and volunteers to meet on irc and solve the multiple site conundrum
[17:58] <sflr> and there are other benefits to be an NPO
[17:58] <Banlam> i want to make a comment, it'll be a lot of admin, and if we're struggling to keep websites and things updated...
[17:58] <inetpro> Maaz: agree that we will focus on updating websites 
[17:58] <Maaz> inetpro: *blink*
[17:58] <sflr> there is lots of prep and paperwork involved, but it seems its worth it
[17:59] <sflr> Yes Banlam. I was thinking about that:
[17:59] <tumbleweed> what sponsorship are we chasing?
[17:59] <Kilos> agreed inetpro 
[17:59] <inetpro> yikes... to many chairs is confusing
[17:59] <tumbleweed> and what are we planning to use it for?
[17:59] <maiatoday> also the people involved in ubuntu-za sometimes change so I don't know if we will be able to maintain an npo
[17:59] <sflr> we can do yearly rolling committees. as  chairmen, etc
[18:00] <magespawn> To spread ubuntu, foss and provide support etc 
[18:00] <Banlam> it's fine to manage an npo with changing committees
[18:00] <nuvolari> mind if I try again inetpro ?
[18:00] <sflr> a year commitment shouldnt be a problem? 
[18:00] <Banlam> you just have to constantly have a committee
[18:00] <maiatoday> sflr we have trouble getting people to step up to do the monthly reports for a year
[18:00] <superfly> sflr: slow down mate, let nuvolari control the meeting, he is chairing, after all
[18:00] <nuvolari> oh, nvm, does it fall under what maiatoday said inetpro?
[18:00] <inetpro> nuvolari: go for it
[18:00] <sflr> yes. the idea is to recruit more people, so there should be a bigger ppol
[18:01] <sflr> sorry. just sharing my thoughts :) novulari. pls
[18:01] <tumbleweed> so, CLUG is a section 21 organisation, with a bunch of money in the bank. But it hardly spends anything because nobody organises events. how would we expect this to be any different?
[18:01] <inetpro> nuvolari: I'll just comment with my thoughts as well
[18:01] <Banlam> clug is cape town lug?
[18:01] <tumbleweed> yes
[18:02] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: when did clug become a section 21 organisation?
[18:02] <nuvolari> ok inetpro 
[18:02] <tumbleweed> CLUG buys the pizza for many Ubuntu-ZA events in CPT
[18:02] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: years ago, when we were raising money for computer faires. bbut they are all over now
[18:02]  * maiatoday thanks clug for pizza :D
[18:02] <magespawn> We need to do this for the right reasons, we also need to know what those are.
[18:02] <queery1985> hmmmmm vodacom!!!!
[18:02] <sflr> tumbleweed: they should get to the ICT expo rather. and organize events for SEMs
[18:02] <queery1985> Maaz: i am queery
[18:02] <Maaz> queery1985: Okay
[18:03] <nuvolari> feel your pain queery1985 
[18:03] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: I never realised that :)
[18:03] <tumbleweed> sflr: right, but who's going to do that?
[18:03] <HawkiesZA> SEMs are?
[18:03] <inetpro> nuvolari: I must be honest that I'm still a bit sceptical about the idea of a NGO but I'm willing to let us discuss it in the next few weeks
[18:03] <tumbleweed> sflr: I'd rather get the event organisation rolling first. If we need to form a legal entity to support it, we can do it when we have a strong motivation for it
[18:04] <queery> where are we?
[18:04] <nuvolari> yeah,  I don't want to be out of line, but I think we should be able to run meetings smoothly before going that way
[18:04] <magespawn> Come with some concrete ideas about what we want to do.
[18:04] <nuvolari> or am I wrong? :P
[18:04] <sflr> ok tumbleweed, lets organize events, and if we need money we look into it again
[18:04] <superfly> sflr: at the moment it's a struggle to organise an Ubuntu Hour, which involves not much more than pitching up at a coffee shop - how would we get much more done?
[18:04] <Banlam> or just ask CLUG for money :P
[18:04] <sflr> some agreement?
[18:04] <Mezenir> lol
[18:04] <Mezenir> just hold it at lyra :D
[18:04] <nuvolari> queery:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/436/detail/ # 3
[18:04] <magespawn> Okay tumblewed
[18:05] <sflr> that's cool. no NPO then
[18:05] <sflr> I didnt know about the money in the bank and the pizzas. lol
[18:05] <nuvolari> Maaz: rejected Idea of registering UbuntuZA as NPO
[18:05] <Maaz> Rejected: Idea of registering UbuntuZA as NPO
[18:05] <tumbleweed> paperwork for paperwork's sake isn't why we are here :P
[18:05] <queery> I meant which topic? nuvolari
[18:05] <inetpro> +1
[18:05] <sflr> lets move one. time is running. thanks for listening
[18:05] <maiatoday> we are actually here for the cake
[18:05] <nuvolari> next is team reports
[18:06] <nuvolari> (before next topic)
[18:06] <queery> haha
[18:06] <maiatoday> team reports are really easy
[18:06] <magespawn> Brb putting fish to bed.
[18:06] <nuvolari> so is there anyone that volunteers to summarize activities each month?
[18:06] <maiatoday> I just forget to do them
[18:06] <inetpro> nuvolari: just remember to tell Maaz when you change topic
[18:06] <nuvolari> maiatoday: fish to bed? fish don't sleep do they?
[18:06] <maiatoday> they have to be on the wiki though because that's where they feed into the ubuntu system from there
[18:07] <nuvolari> inetpro: should I advance topic on sub-elements too?
[18:07]  * nuvolari wasn't sure
[18:07]  * maiatoday has no fish
[18:07] <sflr> cant we have an automated way compiliing/submitting reports?
[18:07] <inetpro> nuvolari: could be worthwile for the minutes, but don't stress about it
[18:07] <nuvolari> sflr: automated in wich way?
[18:07] <Kilos> magespawn, s kids are called fish 1+2
[18:08] <sflr> I dont know. Automate maia's manual work :)
[18:08] <inetpro> sflr: it's almost just a matter of copying and pasting but somebody has to do it
[18:08] <maiatoday> the wiki doesn't have an api
[18:08]  * nuvolari view s team report requirements
[18:08] <queery1985> ffs
[18:08] <sflr> ok
[18:09] <goar> *python scripts :)*
[18:09] <Banlam> where does one generally get info about all the events from?
[18:09] <superfly> goar: music to my ears ;-)
[18:09] <nuvolari> are you volunteering goar ?
[18:09] <goar> no its just an idea
[18:09] <nuvolari> oh :P
[18:09] <maiatoday> Banlam, I just write what I remember, I am sure I miss alot
[18:09] <inetpro> perhaps we should drop the topic for next meeting and just try to arrange it anyway
[18:10] <superfly> maiatoday: but we need to write one each month, hey?
[18:10] <Banlam> ok, but would it be possible to get other people to submit to a system when they have evnets someting happens?
[18:10] <maiatoday> yes
[18:10] <Banlam> or are the people not reliable enough?
[18:10] <nuvolari> yeah
[18:10] <goar> for instance to add a minute item, maybe indicate some tag in the irc chat, then a bot will log the item somewhere in a file
[18:10] <maiatoday> I always ask and mostly nobody updates the report
[18:10] <inetpro> highvoltage: are people at Ubuntu still looking at reports?
[18:10] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed discuss team reporting at next meeting
[18:10] <Maaz> Agreed: discuss team reporting at next meeting
[18:10] <maiatoday> anybody with a launchpad login and member of ubuntu-za team can update them
[18:10] <Banlam> maiatoday, ok :/
[18:10] <nuvolari> can we move on?
[18:11] <maiatoday> the monthly reports feed into the weekly newsletter automatically I think
[18:11] <inetpro> nuvolari: +1
[18:11] <highvoltage> inetpro: yep, there's been talk of changing how reporting works, I'm not sure what's happening to that though
[18:11] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Ubuntu Experience
[18:11] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu Experience
[18:11] <maiatoday> ok I know we have moved on but ..
[18:11] <maiatoday> maaz agreed maiatoday will find out about team reports and how it works now
[18:11] <Maaz> Agreed: maiatoday will find out about team reports and how it works now
[18:11] <maiatoday> ok move on
[18:12] <inetpro> thanks maiatoday
[18:12] <nuvolari> ok cool
[18:12] <nuvolari> Have anyone been involved it anything lately?
[18:12] <superfly> no :-/
[18:12] <superfly> *has
[18:12] <inetpro> :-)
[18:12] <nuvolari> besides ubuntu hours and such
[18:13] <nuvolari> thanks superfly 
[18:13] <Kilos> lol was waiting for that
[18:13]  * nuvolari struikel oor sy engels
[18:13] <Kilos> np nuvolari 
[18:13] <superfly> just doing my bit in general for OSS via blog(s)
[18:13] <Kilos> superfly, editor and spell checker
[18:13] <nuvolari> +1 for superfly :D
[18:14]  * maiatoday uses ubuntu almost exclusively
[18:14] <nuvolari> anyone else, or can we move this forward?
[18:14] <maiatoday> what do we want to do with the stories
[18:14] <nuvolari> doesn't seem to be much activity
[18:14] <nuvolari> well, I suppose we can spread the word in a positive way
[18:14] <inetpro> nuvolari: let's allow people to think about any other stuffs while we move to the next sub-topic
[18:15] <nuvolari> it's becoming hard to promote ubuntu and provide support for new people :-/
[18:15] <sflr> what do you find hard about it?
[18:15] <nuvolari> inetpro: there is no next sub topic in current topic :P
[18:16] <queery1985> why?
[18:16] <nuvolari> sflr: time-wise
[18:16] <queery1985> why is it becomming gard?
[18:16] <inetpro> oops... I'm on Events already, sorry :-)
[18:16] <nuvolari> It's probably not the same for everyone
[18:16] <sflr> are we at topic 4.a ?
[18:17] <inetpro> sflr: yep, I guess so
[18:17] <nuvolari> for one I know William W. is very active in KZN in schools and helping out with repos
[18:17] <nuvolari> sflr: affirmative
[18:17] <sflr> maybe William W. can share his story regarding the schools?
[18:17] <superfly> nuvolari: he *sounds* very active
[18:18] <sflr> we can learn somet things and try to replicate it in other parts
[18:18] <magespawn> I did not know that, is he on the list?
[18:18] <inetpro> I think superfly is doing a really great job with openlp and anybody who wants to learn how to do thinks could learn some stuffs from this guy 
[18:18] <superfly> I don't know that he actually is, beyond being very enthusiastic about it
[18:18] <Kilos> william walter kinghorn is on our lists
[18:19] <queery1985> who
[18:19] <inetpro> and I'm sure he is very greatful for all the help from tumbleweed
[18:19] <sflr> superfly would you mind sharing then your story? not in the meeting
[18:19] <magespawn> I'll drop him a mail, thats somethin I am interested in too.
[18:19] <superfly> sflr: not much of a story, but you're welcome to ask
[18:20] <inetpro> sflr: it's a long term story of awesomeness
[18:20] <queery1985> so do we have something for Maaz to agree?
[18:20] <magespawn> I did post that link to part about christians in foss, i think that was the title.
[18:20] <sflr> i thoughts so. we should get these stories together. its achievement of individuals in the community
[18:21] <magespawn> Links from ubuntu-za to their blogs?
[18:21] <inetpro> our chairperson still around?
[18:21] <magespawn> Tweets?
[18:21] <queery1985> our what?
[18:21] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed get some input from members on stories on involvement
[18:21] <Maaz> Agreed: get some input from members on stories on involvement
[18:21]  * nuvolari lurks
[18:21] <queery1985> moving on?
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <nuvolari> trying to keep track
[18:22] <maiatoday> we are on 5 I think
[18:22] <nuvolari> yeah, I suppose so, not going to make it in under an hour
[18:22] <inetpro> nuvolari: ok, Events?
[18:22] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic events
[18:22] <Maaz> Current Topic: events
[18:22] <sflr> 5) Events
[18:22] <nuvolari> who's been to UDS?
[18:23] <queery1985> ubuntu-za involvement & opportunities - Gustav H Meyer @ Thu, 14 June 2012 21:11 UTC
[18:23] <queery1985> Highlight projects where we know of ubuntu-za team member involvement and opportunities for further involvement
[18:23] <nuvolari> representing ZA in a pretty awesome way
[18:23]  * inetpro nudges highvoltage and tumbleweed
[18:23] <sflr> highvoltage, tumbleweed?
[18:23] <nuvolari> queery1985: that was the last topic
[18:23] <nuvolari> *previous
[18:23] <queery1985> oh
[18:23] <queery1985> but the toppic just changed to 5???
[18:24]  * queery1985 queeries
[18:24] <nuvolari> lol
[18:24]  * nuvolari gives queery1985 some glasses
[18:24] <goar> lol
[18:24] <Kilos> hehe
[18:24] <queery1985> ok so are we at ubuntu hours
[18:24] <nuvolari> so will we ask them for a short story for feedback on the website?
[18:24] <nuvolari> queery1985: not yet
[18:24] <inetpro> nuvolari: looks like the guys have moved on to other stuffs
[18:24] <sflr> yeah. agree for a story :)
[18:25] <nuvolari> ok
[18:25] <sflr> with pictures
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed convince UDS attendants to provide some feedback for the website
[18:25] <Maaz> Agreed: convince UDS attendants to provide some feedback for the website
[18:25] <inetpro> perhaps we should just ask them to blog something for us
[18:25] <tumbleweed> sorry, was busy reading something
[18:25] <inetpro> ahh
[18:25] <nuvolari> next sub-topic,: ubuntu hours
[18:26] <sflr> you got some homework tumbleweed 
[18:26] <inetpro> I think it's great that we had some action in Gauteng for a change
[18:26] <nuvolari> JHB UH: http://bit.ly/JD0qCS
[18:27] <inetpro> HawkiesZA / queery1985: anything you can tell us?
[18:27] <maiatoday> thanks queery
[18:27] <HawkiesZA> There was coffee
[18:27] <nuvolari> any feedback? (link from queery1985)
[18:27] <queery1985> well action was a bit low
[18:27] <Squirm> good evening
[18:27] <inetpro> we even had guys on the channel saying that all the action is happening in Gauteng
[18:27] <nuvolari> welocme Squirm 
[18:27] <queery1985> I will send pics to maiatoday
[18:27] <nuvolari> identify to Maaz 
[18:28] <HawkiesZA> And next time, there will be cake
[18:28] <queery1985> I went with cryptichorizon and met HawkiesZA
[18:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed queery1985 to send pics to maiatoday on june 2nd Ubuntu Hour
[18:28] <Maaz> Agreed: queery1985 to send pics to maiatoday on june 2nd Ubuntu Hour
[18:28] <queery1985> we need more people
[18:28] <maiatoday> queery1985: low action is better than no action 
[18:28] <HawkiesZA> Honestly, it was my first time at an event like it, so I'm not really sure if I'm the right guy to be answering questions ;)
[18:28] <queery1985> The spot is good since there is Wifi and it's close to the gautrain
[18:29] <inetpro> Maaz: queery1985++ [for arranging the Ubuntu Hour]
[18:29] <Kilos> Squirm, login with maaz
[18:29] <queery1985> thanx HawkiesZA for advertising on his podcast
[18:29] <HawkiesZA> I will attempt to convert MOAR people to join for the next one :)
[18:29] <nuvolari> hmm, maybe we should leave some of the topics or the remaining topics for the next meeting? We did have an active meeting after all.
[18:29] <sflr> Rosebank Mall, nice! we should get some billboards and stickers to hand out
[18:29] <HawkiesZA> Not mine, but no problems
[18:29] <queery1985> i will create and advertise the next one in this week
[18:30] <HawkiesZA> Will be happy to spread the word again. Maybe give some more time next time
[18:30] <queery1985> cool will do
[18:30]  * highvoltage morphs in
[18:30] <magespawn> Stardayes?
[18:30] <magespawn> Stardates?
[18:30] <queery1985> what days do you braudcast? HawkiesZA
[18:30] <HawkiesZA> If you can get it up and running before Wednesday evening I'll add it to the show notes
[18:30] <inetpro> I don't mind continuing but agree that we should try to stick to the hour as far as possible
[18:30] <sflr> nuvolari is right. we running out of time. should we postpone some items to next meeting?
[18:31] <queery1985> ok
[18:31] <HawkiesZA> Let's Talk Geek airs every Wednesday at ~19h30 on live.ltnet.tv
[18:31] <maiatoday> If we are going to leave the rest of the topics, the CPUT talk topic doesn't need discussion it is just to notify people who didn't see this on the mailing list, anyone can volunteer
[18:31] <queery1985> please guys chack it out
[18:31] <smile> bye :)
[18:31] <inetpro> maiatoday: +1
[18:31] <sflr> ok
[18:31] <HawkiesZA> Thanks queery1985 
[18:32] <queery1985> ok we can move on
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed add remaining topics to next meeting's agenda
[18:32] <Maaz> Agreed: add remaining topics to next meeting's agenda
[18:32] <Kilos> cheers smile 
[18:32] <maiatoday> if anyone needs info about the cput topic mail me or search the mailing list
[18:32] <smile> Kilos: good night! :)
[18:32] <inetpro> I'm sure people won't mind listening some of what highvoltage can tell us, even it's at the end of the meeting? 
[18:32] <sflr> yeah. when is the next meeting?
[18:32] <highvoltage> inetpro: when's that, now? :)
[18:33] <magespawn> Not at all.
[18:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic next meeting
[18:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: you are the chair
[18:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: next meeting
[18:33] <highvoltage> inetpro: I'm kind of in an out so sorry if there's some lag
[18:33] <Kilos> 15 july methinks
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks
[18:33] <Kilos> yw
[18:33] <queery1985> 16
[18:34] <sflr> thats sunday 15
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed topics carried over to next meeting: install fests, revival of LPI classes at #linux-studies
[18:34] <Maaz> Agreed: topics carried over to next meeting: install fests, revival of LPI classes at #linux-studies
[18:34] <Kilos> oh sorry 16th
[18:34] <inetpro> highvoltage: perhaps you can summarise something for us in a blog?
[18:34] <nuvolari> ok, so the 16th it will be
[18:35] <sflr> ok
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: accepted next meeting July 16, 2012
[18:35] <Maaz> Accepted: next meeting July 16, 2012
[18:35] <maiatoday> thanks for all the reminders for this meeting it really helps
[18:35] <nuvolari> or was that greed?
[18:35] <inetpro> ok, that was quite a hectic meeting
[18:35] <Kilos> very hectic
[18:35] <magespawn> But cool.
[18:35] <queery1985> ok end the meeting...
[18:35] <inetpro> nuvolari: thanks for chairing and sorry for the confusion
[18:35] <nuvolari> thanks for attending the meeting everyone
[18:35] <maiatoday> good job chairs
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[18:35] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:35] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.html
[18:36] <queery1985> Maaz: botsnack
[18:36] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[18:36] <HawkiesZA> Thanks for the meeting
[18:36] <Kilos> nuvolari, ty and ty for everyones input and a good attendance
[18:36] <nuvolari> thanks for helping everyone
[18:36] <sflr> thanks guys
[18:36] <queery1985> thanx yall
[18:36] <nuvolari> thanks for reminding us oom Kilos 
[18:36] <nuvolari> :D
[18:36] <Kilos> ty sflr inetpro 
[18:36] <goar> :)
[18:36] <inetpro> that chair seat is damn hot I must say
[18:36] <maiatoday> maaz botsnack
[18:36] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[18:37] <Kilos> nuvolari, i do what i can
[18:37] <nuvolari> heh, was difficult keeping up and then I won't add the frustration of vodacom :-/
[18:37] <Kilos> nuvolari, gonna be cripple for a week
[18:37] <sflr> is there any Ubuntu events in Cape Town anytime soon? Besides LadyGaga
[18:37] <goar> hey guys. I have a question
[18:37] <inetpro> hmm... we didn't decide on the chair for next meeting
[18:37] <Kilos> maiatoday, ty for making it
[18:38] <NeVeR_> ooooooh I missed it
[18:38] <sflr> goar?
[18:38] <maiatoday> no problem Kilos
[18:38] <Kilos> go goar 
[18:38] <queery1985> ok bye all!!!!
[18:38] <goar> The person who chairs the meeting. Do they type commands or how does it work?
[18:38] <inetpro> bye queery1985
[18:38] <Kilos> night queery1985 
[18:38] <nuvolari> cheers queery1985 
[18:38] <sflr> bye queery1985 
[18:38] <goar> cheers queery
[18:38] <plustwo> cheers queery1985
[18:38] <superfly> sflr: this is a do-ocracy, if you want something done, you need to do it :-P
[18:39] <Kilos> yeah goar the bot recognises certain words to act on
[18:39] <inetpro> goar: yes we have a bot called Maaz who takes commands
[18:39] <Kilos> like agreed
[18:39] <nuvolari> inetpro: I don't mind chairing if I'm available next meeting
[18:39] <goar> AAh
[18:39] <goar> cool
[18:39] <sflr> superfly that's cool. but who is from Cape Town then? Cant fly to GP or KZN :)
[18:39] <superfly> sflr: I organised the last Cape Town Ubuntu Hour
[18:39] <Kilos> congrats nuvolari was a difficult first chair
[18:39] <superfly> Mezenir was there
[18:39] <magespawn> Also makes coffee.
[18:39] <goar> and does it post the 'Agreed' message somewhere as a minute?
[18:39] <sflr> congrats nuvolari!
[18:40] <magespawn> Yes
[18:40] <superfly> and maiatoday, and a few lurkers
[18:40] <nuvolari> thanks :>
[18:40] <inetpro> goar: and we have a number of locals in this channel who were involved in developing that bot
[18:40] <superfly> goar: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.html
[18:40] <Mezenir> yeah
[18:40] <goar> ok thanks
[18:40] <Mezenir> there was beer too
[18:40] <sflr> cool. lets do another one :) seems pizza will be good!
[18:40] <nuvolari> hrr. gprs sucks
[18:41] <Kilos> lol @ nuvolari 
[18:41] <magespawn> Welcome to my world
[18:41] <magespawn> Maaz coffee
[18:41] <Maaz> magespawn: Sorry...
[18:41] <nuvolari> not a colourful wordl afer all
[18:41] <nuvolari> *world
[18:41] <Kilos> data lasts longer on gprs
[18:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[18:41]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:41] <maiatoday> sflr I am so happy there are more people with energy
[18:41] <nuvolari> Kilos: but patience lasts less on gprs
[18:41] <nuvolari> :P
[18:42] <maiatoday> sflr you can email me anytime,  I am in stellenbosch
[18:42] <Kilos> yeah sflr thanks for the new energy
[18:42] <goar> inetpro and superfly: Im willing to help with scripting and such, it will be a great learning experience.
[18:42] <Kilos> haha
[18:43] <Kilos> bangbroek
[18:43] <magespawn> Kilos have just figured how to tab nicks
[18:43] <Kilos> on the fone magespawn ?
[18:43] <inetpro> goar: everyone is quite busy here but I'd say just stick around in the channel and let's discuss it
[18:43] <magespawn> Yup
[18:43] <magespawn> Kilos: 
[18:43] <Kilos> well done
[18:43] <superfly> magespawn: btw, your devices should be shipped off in the next day or two
[18:43] <goar> ok
[18:44] <magespawn> Ty superfly
[18:44] <magespawn> Spoke to her today.
[18:44] <Kilos> goar you must just be patient here , sometimes guys are busy for hours before you get a reply
[18:44]  * inetpro needs some real coffe now
[18:44] <goar> of course. :)
[18:44] <inetpro> coffee as well
[18:44]  * Kilos seconds
[18:45] <goar> quite busy myself
[18:45] <superfly> magespawn: are you on Google+ btw?
[18:45] <magespawn> Yup
[18:45] <plustwo>  inetprocan you make two of those?
[18:45] <sflr> cool maiatoday 
[18:45] <plustwo> *inetpro
[18:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari!
[18:45] <superfly> magespawn: and you are following me?
[18:45] <Kilos> aw missed that
[18:45] <Kilos> sigh
[18:45] <sflr> is anybody into forensics and reverse engineering? 
[18:45] <Kilos> yo RPM 
[18:46] <superfly> sflr: what sort of reverse engineering?
[18:46] <magespawn> superfly i think so, hold on, brb.
[18:47] <sflr> superfly: this kind http://www.dc3.mil/challenge/  
[18:47] <superfly> sflr: you should try this: http://www.pythonchallenge.com/
[18:47] <sflr> superfly hacking stuff, recovery, new algorithms, data/drive analysis from different devices, mobile, playstation, network traffic, steganography, etc
[18:48] <magespawn> Yes superfly I do and on twitter.
[18:48] <NeVeR_> yo Killoos
[18:48] <NeVeR_> kilos*
[18:48] <NeVeR_> sorry
[18:48] <superfly> magespawn: OK, cool... you can gtalk me anytime if you need to
[18:48] <Kilos> np
[18:48] <magespawn> ty superfly
[18:49] <sflr> haha python power! will give it a try
[18:49] <superfly> sflr: it really stretches your brain
[18:50] <Kilos> funny saying superfly 
[18:50]  * superfly got to about level 7 before being completely and utterly stuck
[18:52]  * Kilos thanks you guys for helping ian today
[18:52] <Kilos> sflr, superfly and SmilyBorg methinks it was
[18:53] <superfly> sflr: do you work in the CBD too?
[18:53] <goar> ok people. goodnight
[18:53] <Kilos> night goar 
[18:53] <magespawn> Night goar
[18:53] <superfly> night goar
[18:54] <inetpro> goar: good night
[18:54] <goar> cheers
[18:54]  * inetpro sits back and enjoys a hot cuppa coffee and rusks
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <inetpro> and I wonder why SmilyBorg has said nothing the whole evening
[18:55]  * inetpro fogot to mention her
[18:55] <NeVeR_> anyone where a fan of http://projecteuler.net ?
[18:55] <inetpro> been some real fun around here in the last few days
[18:56] <Kilos> was too hectic to think here tonight
[18:56] <SmilyBorg> hehe, sorry, been trying to multitask. I'm still here
[18:56] <Kilos> you said nothing whole meeting SmilyBorg 
[18:57] <NeVeR_> project euler fans? :P
[18:57] <SmilyBorg> sorry, been battling to keep up with the chat with other things going on here
[18:57] <Kilos> you forgiven
[18:58]  * superfly didn't know SmilyBorg was a lady... that's cool!
[18:59] <Kilos> yeah 
[18:59] <magespawn> NeVeR_ heard of it before
[18:59] <SmilyBorg> I like to think so ;-)
[19:00] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, who are you on twitter?
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: she's the SmilyBorg
[19:00] <Kilos> anyone know who tsomersault is
[19:01] <SmilyBorg> yup
[19:01] <Kilos> ah same nick on twitter
[19:01] <inetpro> sflr: so how and when do we change that ubuntuza to ubuntu-za?
[19:01] <SmilyBorg> I'm all over the place on the net, either listed as SmilyBorg or UnaAlexiaKarlsen
[19:02] <inetpro> we're already up to 20 followers
[19:03] <inetpro> perhaps by next meeting we may see the effect of mass communication
[19:03] <Kilos> inetpro, do you see all them messages there
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: haven't looked really
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: you had some replies?
[19:05] <Kilos> not to me i think
[19:05] <Kilos> but lots from tsomersault
[19:06] <Kilos> and i dunno how you gonna make it ubuntu-za related info only
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: we can only see what you post
[19:06] <Kilos> the minute you follow someone you see everything they say
[19:06] <Kilos> oh
[19:07] <Kilos> i see fone alarms going off and something about bb fones etc
[19:07] <Kilos> so should i unfollow most of them
[19:08] <Kilos> like i saw this
[19:08] <Kilos> (06/17/2012 09:51:21 PM) twitter.com: inetpro: Booting from Kubuntu 12.04 boot disk without specifying nomodeset still relatively the same on the mecer http://t.co/R3wTEayE
[19:09] <magespawn> Yes but that does not go into your tweets.
[19:09] <Kilos> oh you only see my tweets
[19:09] <Kilos> ?
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: unless I also follow all those same guys
[19:10] <Kilos> even marcog was in there
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: you should play around on your personal account
[19:10] <inetpro> and get the feeling of how twitter operates
[19:10] <Kilos> but thats fine as long as only my tweets go out
[19:11] <Kilos> then if i only tweet ubuntu-za info thats fine
[19:11] <inetpro> it's simply like a very public noticeboard 
[19:12] <Kilos> thats why i sukkeled with the personal stuff because i was seeing all of that
[19:12] <inetpro> and you don't really care who reads the noticeboard, you just post
[19:12] <magespawn> Well there is another follow.
[19:12] <inetpro> while at the same time you go to read what others have posted on their noticeboard
[19:13] <Kilos> so better if i follow no one and let anyone follow ubuntuza
[19:13] <Kilos> ?
[19:13] <Kilos> whew
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: I think tsomersault is a bit of a spammer - ignore them
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: yes
[19:13] <inetpro> superfly: you can even block guys like that
[19:14] <Kilos> unfollow should work
[19:14] <superfly> Kilos: if the question ever comes up, "Should Ubuntu-ZA follow that person" then the answer is definitely no
[19:14] <Kilos> superfly, yes to what?
 so better if i follow no one and let anyone follow ubuntuza
[19:14] <Kilos> great that will make it easy then ty superfly 
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: I think that makes sense
[19:16] <Kilos> yeah i will unfollow everyone then
[19:16] <Kilos> and see what happens
[19:17] <Kilos> that aurelia also just followed
[19:17] <Kilos> that didnt say niks here tonight
[19:18] <Kilos> sorry guys thats what had me mixed up with tweeting personal stuff
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: it's ok if they come and see what we do
[19:18] <sflr> something happened
[19:19] <inetpro> sflr: you been very quiet
[19:19] <sflr> but i'm back
[19:19] <Kilos> wb sflr 
[19:19] <sflr> you were asking about the handle change inetpro
[19:19] <sflr> yeah, i got distracted with kids
[19:20] <inetpro> ahh.. /me kids are all sorted as well now
[19:20] <magespawn> Funy how that happens
[19:20] <sflr> who was the person who offered to help with the twitter after hours?
[19:20] <inetpro> sflr: I think the sooner we change it the less disruption we will have 
[19:21] <sflr> I can also look after the account, Kilos I need the login details please
[19:21] <inetpro> sflr: maiatoday and nuvolari
[19:21] <maiatoday> yes?
[19:21] <sflr> ok cool. we dont need many ppl
[19:21] <Kilos> username ubuntuza
[19:21] <inetpro> and I can also help but to many cooks spoil the...
[19:21] <Kilos> but its called ubuntu-za
[19:21] <Kilos> i get lost there
[19:21] <Kilos> password
[19:22] <sflr> i agree. then lets Kilos, maiatoday and nuvolari run the twitter account
[19:22] <sflr> I can retweet :)
[19:22] <Kilos> you want the password on pm
[19:22] <inetpro> np
[19:22] <sflr> its fine Kilos, I dont need the password anymore :)
[19:23] <sflr> you just need to log in, go to Settings and change username
[19:24] <Kilos> ok hang on let me get there via browser
[19:24] <magespawn> When you change the usename do you loose followers?
[19:24] <magespawn> Or do they just get a message?
[19:25] <inetpro> magespawn: I don't think so
[19:25] <inetpro> the only problem I can think of is the linking on websites, or like above in the topic
[19:25] <magespawn> On twitter I am BushHluhluwe, thought I should change it to magespawn
[19:26] <sflr> magespawn: i found you. from Hluhluwe. hehe
[19:26] <sflr> followed everyone I recognized from here :)
[19:27] <magespawn> Anybody use about.me?
[19:27] <inetpro> magespawn: not me
[19:27]  * inetpro prefers to keep as few social networks going as possible
[19:27] <sflr> magespawn handle is taken on twitter
[19:28] <magespawn> Hows thatnfor ironic
[19:28] <sflr> i dont use about.me. signed up in beta, but that's it
[19:28] <magespawn> Not really a social network, more like an online business card.
[19:28] <Kilos> how come i dont see settings/
[19:29] <Mezenir> k
[19:29] <Mezenir> nite all
[19:29] <Kilos> nite mez
[19:29] <magespawn> I wonder who the twitter magespawn is.
[19:29] <inetpro> magespawn: Bernard
[19:30] <sflr> https://twitter.com/#!/magespawn - Phillipino. hehe
[19:30] <magespawn> Right then.
[19:30] <sflr> Kilos. its on top right. second item from the right. like a profile pic icon. under that is settings
[19:30] <magespawn> Well, I am obviously going to have him bumped off.
[19:31] <sflr> Kilos here: https://twitter.com/settings/account
[19:31] <inetpro> magespawn: how you plan to do that?
[19:31] <Kilos> thats it ty
[19:31] <magespawn> No idea, let go formulate plan in my lair.
[19:31] <sflr> magespawn on twitter has only 1 tweet
[19:32] <inetpro> Maaz: sflr++ [for bringing new energy to ubuntu-za and for helping Kilos]
[19:32] <magespawn> Maybe a bot?
[19:32] <sflr> thanks inetpro :)
[19:33] <sflr> they might wanted MegaSpawn, but mispelled it :) engrish...
[19:33] <Kilos> grrr
[19:34] <Kilos> im in those settings. add the - and then it tells me wrong password
[19:34] <inetpro> magespawn: I guess you may have to think about a new name?
[19:34] <magespawn> Maybe, probable just leave it as it is.
[19:37] <inetpro> hmmm... Only use letters, numbers and '_'
[19:37] <inetpro> we can not use a '-'
[19:38] <tumbleweed> ohi, inetpro :P
[19:38] <inetpro> so I suggest we just leave as is
[19:38] <inetpro> tumbleweed: eh
[19:38] <tumbleweed> re #ubuntu-meeting
[19:39] <Kilos> is that why inetpro 
[19:39] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I know.. that was just a mistake ;-)
[19:39] <inetpro> 'n blapsie
[19:39] <tumbleweed> :)
[19:41] <inetpro> tumbleweed: sorry for interrupting
[19:41] <tumbleweed> np
[19:42] <magespawn> http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/workshops/ for those interestednin learning python
[19:42] <inetpro> sflr: did you get that?
[19:44] <magespawn> There will also be a whole load of other topics covered.
[19:46] <plustwo>   magespawn: thanks
[19:46] <Kilos> yo bush hulehule
[19:46] <Kilos> lol
[19:47] <magespawn> Np plustwo
[19:56] <Kilos> lol must one use caps in twitter
[19:56] <Kilos> wb maiatoday 
[19:56] <maiatoday> ty Kilos
[19:57] <Kilos> to look pro i spose so hey?
[19:57] <Kilos> we have missed you girl
[19:57] <Kilos> whats news with results
[19:58] <drubin> inetpro: "used to" :) 
[19:59] <Kilos> drubin, you well?
[20:00] <inetpro> drubin: wb
[20:00] <inetpro> you still ok?
[20:00] <inetpro> oh and are you still on the forums?
[20:00] <drubin> inetpro: I am good, but no not really on the forums any more
[20:01] <drubin> I still wonder where I found time for the forums
[20:01] <inetpro> drubin: I know the feeling
[20:02] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:02] <magespawn> Night Kilos
[20:02] <Kilos> seeya magespawn 
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: good night, and thanks for running that twitter account
[20:02] <Kilos> yw inetpro 
[20:03] <magespawn> I think the type of people that come here and are involved in things generally do not have enough time
[20:04] <inetpro> hmm.... drubin's last activity on the forums is on August 3rd, 2011 :P
[20:05] <drubin> wow less then a year!
[20:05] <drubin> supprised
[20:05] <superfly> hey drubin!
[20:05] <inetpro> Total Posts: 1,342
[20:07] <drubin> hey superfly.
[20:07] <drubin> superfly: I been reading your blog about the little maggot ;)
[20:07] <superfly> drubin: :-) haven't blogged much recently
[20:07] <drubin> inetpro: Little or a lot?
[20:07] <superfly> and he's not so little anymore 0_o
[20:07] <drubin> superfly: fine mrs_fly 
[20:07] <drubin> I know!
[20:08] <superfly> drubin: you heard #2 is on the way?
[20:08] <drubin> superfly: I did read
[20:08] <superfly> cool
[20:08] <inetpro> drubin: hmm.... that is quite a number of posts
[20:09] <sflr> inetpro: got it thanks. do we keep twitter username then?
[20:09] <inetpro> sflr: yes, I think under the circumstances it's the best we can do
[20:09] <inetpro> if you search for ubuntu-za you'll find the account anyway
[20:10] <sflr> ok, the name at least has a dash in it
[20:10] <inetpro> sflr: exactly
[20:11] <inetpro> sflr: and I checked out identi.ca 
[20:11] <sflr> i think i need a reboot. mouse is frozen :/ 
[20:11] <sflr> what is identi.ca?
[20:11] <inetpro> I don't think it's worth it for now, unless others disagree
[20:12] <inetpro> there is an existing group called ubuntuza
[20:12] <inetpro> http://identi.ca/ubuntuza has for (4) followers
[20:12] <sflr> ok. i checked now. site sucks, but at least there is an API :)
[20:13] <inetpro> and it points to our website
[20:13] <zeref> pew pew
[20:13] <zeref> weo weo
[20:13] <sflr> after we get our twitter up and oiled we can do live tweeting from our events
[20:13] <inetpro> zeref: wb
[20:14] <zeref> hi guys :)
[20:14] <sflr> hey zeref
[20:15] <zeref> k missed the meeting, waar is die minutes??
[20:15] <sflr> i wonder who set up the identi.ca account inetpro. might be one of the followers?
[20:15] <inetpro> sflr: I think it's just a group
[20:16] <sflr> inetpro: you can change the channel topic to the next meeting. haha
[20:16] <inetpro> I must be honest that I was a bit ill prepared for chairing the meeting when nuvolari had his issues, next time I shall try to be more ready
[20:17] <inetpro> in fact there's so many things I had in mind of talking about, all went missing under that sudden pressure
[20:17]  * inetpro shall take that as a lesson for next time
[20:17] <inetpro> sflr: I'll change the topic, thanks
[20:18] <sflr> yes, it was a shocker. we should always have a backup chairman for every meeting. in case one goes offline, the other one takes over
[20:19] <sflr> but you handled it well, stepping up and taking over
[20:19]  * superfly was (and still is) juggling multiple things at once
[20:20] <sflr> superfly: i wouldnt expect anything less from 'super' person :)
[20:20] <inetpro> :-)
[20:22] <sflr> we must also look at how big we set the agenda. there were just too many things to talk about
[20:23] <superfly> I think the main things were (a) nuvolari was not managing the meeting like a dictator, and (b) everyone was trying to throw their 2 cents in without waiting for nuvolari to lead the meeting.
[20:24] <superfly> if we're all a little more patient, and wait for the chair to give us the go-ahead to chat, then I think the meetings will be smoother
[20:25] <inetpro> superfly: true
[20:25] <magespawn> superfly maybe a netmeetingettiqute?
[20:25] <sflr> is there a meetings rule list somewhere? we should post it with every meeting
[20:26] <sflr> yeah, exactly magespawn 
[20:26] <inetpro> sflr: I'm sure they have something on the ubuntu wiki
[20:26] <sflr> we can copy it
[20:26] <magespawn> Guidelines are always a good idea.
[20:26] <inetpro> and perhaps highvoltage can give us a few pointers, I've seen him chair a few meetings in style 
[20:27] <sflr> if chairman talks, everybody shuts up :)
[20:28]  * inetpro enjoys lurking at #ubuntu-meeting when time allows it
[20:29] <magespawn> So perhaps had more to do with nuvolari's connection than anything else
[20:29] <inetpro> magespawn: I think that was a big factor
[20:29] <inetpro> and I know the feeling when that happens
[20:29] <sflr> yes, that is correct. we need a backup chairman on standby
[20:30] <sflr> sjoe, hectic. ppl waiting for you to talk and you gone offline :(
[20:31] <inetpro> exactly
[20:31] <magespawn> Or if the lag is too much you do not even realise that you are behind
[20:31] <sflr> where is nuvolari from?
[20:32] <inetpro> but let's be honest he's done a good job  
[20:32] <magespawn> Balito I think,
[20:32] <inetpro> I think that was only his 2nd meeting?
[20:32] <magespawn> Indeed
[20:32] <sflr> oh, magespawn you just reminded me that I forgot to mention the local freenode irc server :( 
[20:33] <sflr> yes, it was good meeting. you can imagine how he felt, but still keeping his act together.
[20:35]  * superfly had a good 4 seconds lag the whole meeting... it was very frustrating
[20:35] <inetpro> superfly: ahh, now that also makes sense why superfly was slow in reacting
[20:36] <sflr> ahh! Spain scored :)
[20:36] <superfly> ARGH, I think I know why... stupid cellphone
[20:36] <sflr> i didnt even check the lag. its not showing in the webirc
[20:37] <sflr> vodacom? :)
[20:38] <superfly> sflr: no, my cellphone is plugged into my PC to charge, but network manager keeps on trying to enable the "usb network card"
[20:38] <superfly> I have 4 meg ADSL
[20:38] <sflr> ops!
[20:38] <superfly> so then it tries to send all my traffic via this ghost nic, hence my lag
[20:39] <sflr> with some echo. that's a bummer
[20:39] <sflr> This is a good ubuntu project done by a loco team http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2009/09/24/loco-stories-the-ubuntu-new-mexico-team-helps-the-endorphine-power-company/
[20:40] <magespawn> superfly did you hear about the adsl upgrades?
[20:40] <superfly> magespawn: 0.3 to 1Mbps and 1 to 2Mbps
[20:40] <magespawn> Yup those be the ones.
[20:41] <magespawn> Nice for everyone undern4 mbps
[20:41] <superfly> and those of us on 4 continue to pay more for ever less :-P
[20:41] <magespawn> Yup
[20:42] <superfly> sflr: that is great... the big question is always sustenance though
[20:43] <superfly> sflr: for instance, I already have a largish open source project on the go (and a family), I don't have time to do things like that
[20:43] <superfly> sflr: which is the same problem behind the NGO
[20:43] <superfly> (or NPO)
[20:43] <magespawn> Get more people to help with project?
[20:44] <sflr> I have 11.58 Mbps down, 0.85Mps up
[20:44] <magespawn> Thats a bit warped.
[20:45] <sflr> its from speedtest.net
[20:46] <sflr> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2016068705.png
[20:46] <sflr> superfly: that's why I think committe would work. people come and go, but the roles stay
[20:47] <sflr> I also work full time + family, but at some stage of my life I was comfortable living on the computer 24/7, single, etc
[20:48] <sflr> so if there is an NPO to manage these resources then it would work
[20:48] <superfly> work + family + open source project + ubuntu-za :-)
[20:48] <superfly> sflr: there's also constitutions and other things you need
[20:48] <superfly> it's a royal pain in the rear end to do, and then people just fade and no one is around to do anything anymore
[20:48]  * superfly has been there, done that
[20:49] <sflr> I also see that Linux/Ubuntu moved from a private user status into businesses and being installed in offices. I think that is a different level
[20:49] <inetpro> I agree that there's a lot of work involved and I would not be to keen to be heavily involved after having served on the school governing body for six years
[20:49] <sflr> yes, i understand and I agree. there are lots of talkers, but no do-ers. it's the same everywhere
[20:50] <sflr> but this is a community, there is a purpose for it and goal. how to achieve that it depends on the community involvement.
[20:50] <sflr> if a person want to do something, or just be a fan? i dont know
[20:51] <inetpro> sflr: one thing I would say we should first try to achieve is to have more official members 
[20:51] <Banlam> what qualifies an official member?
[20:52] <sflr> superfly: did you have that experience here? trying to do but no show?
[20:52] <tumbleweed> Banlam: wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[20:52] <inetpro> tumbleweed: thanks
[20:53] <Banlam> thanks tumbleweed, didn't realise there was a whole process like that
[20:53] <inetpro> then what we need to focus on is to have active participation in our leadership structures
[20:54] <inetpro> I don't blame any of our guys, life is hectic, but guys like morgs and highvoltage back then did a great job
[20:54] <inetpro> and we should try to follow their example
[20:55] <inetpro> obviously those who weren't around would not have seen all the activity
[20:55] <superfly> sflr: no, elsewhere
[20:59] <magespawn> I am off, night all.
[20:59] <highvoltage> inetpro: you're giving us way too much credit :)
[21:00] <sflr> yes, people come and go, but while here can contribute and get involved
[21:00] <sflr> in few years time I will be speaking about you inetpro, like you do about highvoltage :)
[21:01] <inetpro> sflr: heh, I don't think I have that energy that these guys have
[21:01] <sflr> this doesnt have to become a second job. 5 hours a month maybe?
[21:01] <sflr> but you are the 'pro' ;)
[21:02] <inetpro> sflr: you see that is exactly why I think I chose the wrong nick, those many years ago
[21:02] <sflr> how many people have memberships as described in that wiki?
[21:02]  * inetpro is always a newbie
[21:03] <sflr> you felt like a pro, you had the energy! :)
[21:04] <inetpro> maybe :-)
[21:04] <superfly> night folks
[21:05] <inetpro> sflr: I think that name comes from as far back as 1995 when internet had just started in our country
[21:05] <inetpro> superfly: good night
[21:05] <sflr> cheers superfly!
[21:07] <sflr> haha inetpro. back then it was yahoo! and those file locations you dialed-up. cant even remember the name :/
[21:09] <inetpro> yeah at first it was those bulletin boards 
[21:09] <inetpro> that was some fun
[21:10] <sflr> norton commander! boom!
[21:10] <inetpro> where anybody could just host his own BB, all you needed is a direct line from Telkom and a modem
[21:10] <sflr> formula 1 on a x286 with turbo button
[21:10] <sflr> yes, it was BB
[21:12] <sflr> I think we started internet earlier in europe. 1991 or 1990
[21:14] <inetpro> anyways, I got the framework ready for our next meeting... see topic above
[21:14] <inetpro> or just go to http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/438/detail/
[21:15] <inetpro> I must say I still prefer doing this thing in a wiki where you can prepare the whole thing offline and then submit
[21:16] <inetpro> submitting an item at a time is damn slow
[21:16] <sflr> thats cool! you see, you got the energy ;)
[21:17] <sflr> but i agree. therey should be at least a bulk upload items from CSV :)
[21:18] <inetpro> heh, it's the follow up and the follow through that kills me, emails to everyone, attending more meetings, etc, etc
[21:19] <sflr> as long as something actually happens, there is a reward.
[21:20] <inetpro> but tm is another day, if we keep working at it we'll keep improving
[21:20] <sflr> i saw some other country loco team had 2 kind of launch parties, one for end-users, and other for schools/businesses
[21:21] <inetpro> good idea
[21:21] <sflr> the latter had speakers and marketing stuff
[21:22] <inetpro> there's stuff like that, but we can discuss tomorrow
[21:22] <sflr> yes, thats true. its almost tomorrow! haha. that's for a productive evening. I'm signing off :/
[21:22] <sflr> i meant thanks for a productive evening
[21:22] <inetpro> nice chatting, good night
[21:23] <inetpro> it's a pleasure BTW