[12:17] <janimo> infinity, I'll make some time this week for arm/mono, not sure I can get to the bottom of it though
[13:17] <ogra_> janimo, you mean you wont have it finished before the weekend ?!?!
[13:18] <janimo> ogra_, yes. Poor users waiting to run banshee on raspberry pi will not have their pony
[13:19]  * ogra_ shakes head .... 
[13:19] <ogra_> especially the Pi people !
[13:19] <janimo> ogra_, how's dejasperification progressing? Still on track for 12.10?
[13:19] <ogra_> sure, livecd switch (apart from ac100 i think) is still in the plan
[13:20] <ogra_> that makes jasper obsolete
[13:20] <janimo> ok
[13:20] <lilstevie> hm
[13:20] <lilstevie> is there a blueprint on this change?
[13:20] <ogra_> though infinity would liek to keep preinstalled functional ... not sure he wants to keep jaspüer around for that though
[13:20] <janimo> why not for ac100? Makes even more sense there than on panda & co. Although it is extra work
[13:21] <ogra_> right, its a matter of "does ogra find the time to work on it" :)
[13:21] <ogra_> it works as is atm
[13:21] <janimo> ogra_, btw any luck with the new ac100 3.1 kernel in quantal?
[13:21] <ogra_> hmm, i might be running it, one sec, let me check
[13:21] <janimo> I did not test with the armhf nvidia blobs
[13:22] <ogra_> hmm, no i dont
[13:22]  * ogra_ will test that later today
[13:22] <lilstevie> I only ask about the dejasperfication cause I have just started working on hacking up d-i for the tf201
[13:22] <ogra_> lilstevie, there are like ten specs for it for the last 4 releases or so :)
[13:22] <lilstevie> hah
[13:23] <ogra_> the current plan is to just switch to live images though
[13:23]  * lilstevie has to admit that he doesn't go searching through launchpad very often
[13:23] <ogra_> since we do that for everything (alternate is gone)
[13:23] <ogra_> even server is a live image now
[13:24] <lilstevie> ah
[13:25] <lilstevie> well I was looking at live images, but from what I hear ubiquity does not support LVM yet
[13:25] <ogra_> right, xnox is working on that
[13:25] <lilstevie> yeah, I heard that is planned for 12.10
[13:25] <ogra_> thats the prereq. for dropping alternate (and the reason they still existed for A1)
[13:26] <lilstevie> fair enough
[13:26] <lilstevie> cause I rely on it
[13:26] <lilstevie> I split the partition that normally contains /data to retain the ability to boot android
[13:26] <ogra_> right, if you have special setups or so, help xnox with testing his changes ;)
[13:26] <lilstevie> works quite well
[13:27] <lilstevie> but sure :)
[13:27] <ogra_> he is usually in #ubuntu-devel
[13:28] <lilstevie> just joined
[13:31] <janimo> lilstevie, how do you boot both android and ubuntu?
[13:32] <janimo> did you not repartition anything on the tf101 for ubuntu?
[13:32] <lilstevie> on the tf101 I had the ability to repartition the whole device safely because of using nvflash
[13:33] <lilstevie> we do not have the same luxuries on the tf201
[13:35] <janimo> lilstevie, I thought the tf201 was the less restricted one?
[13:35] <janimo> unlockable and all that
[13:35] <lilstevie> unlockable but not unbrickable
[13:36] <lilstevie> the bootloader unlock is nothing more than that
[14:23] <Laney> can I dist-upgrade my shiny new panda from precise to quantal and expect it to still work afterwards? :-)
[14:54] <ogra_> Laney, you tell us ;)
[14:54] <ogra_> i doubt anyone has actively tested upgrading yet
[14:54] <Laney> heh, might as well
[15:15]  * ogra_ needs to clean a fan and will be offline for a while, disassembling HW
[15:44] <Laney> ogra_: no good. hangs when booting the kernel :(
[15:44] <ogra_> ah, sad, probably fallout of the new flash-kernel
[15:44] <ogra_> how does it hang ? do you have a serial cable attached ?
[15:46] <ogra_> (so you can see if the kernel gets loaded at all etc)
[16:17] <cvanvliet> I am trying to make a 12.04 armel, I used qemu-debootstrap method, I get this , init: Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job
[16:18] <Laney> ogra_: if you can tell me how to make it more verbose I will
[16:18] <Laney> the last message I get is "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel."
[16:20] <cvanvliet> this is on a gumstix Overo
[16:41] <GrueMaster> Laney: You will need to edit your boot.scr file.  See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/EditBootscr
[16:42] <Laney> GrueMaster: thanks, what do I need to add?
[16:42] <GrueMaster> Add the "console=ttyO2" line, and remove the "quiet" part from the kernel boot parameters.
[16:42] <Laney> ttyO2? Even if I already have serial working?
[16:42] <GrueMaster> This tells the kernel to spew console messages to the serial console.
[16:43] <Laney> ah
[16:43] <GrueMaster> What you see now is from u-boot.
[16:43] <Laney> also we were just talking in #ubuntu-desktop about DVI output on the desktop preinstalled image — do you know if that is supported and how to enable it if so?
[16:43] <GrueMaster> What board?
[16:43] <Laney> panda es
[16:44] <GrueMaster> May need to muck with the kernel parameters.  I think there is info on the pandaboard wiki (non-Ubuntu).  See http://pandaboard.org
[16:44] <Laney> OK I found something there. You think it will work?
[16:45] <Laney> http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#How_do_I_enable_DVI_output.3F
[16:45] <GrueMaster> By default, the HDMI port should work.  And if you use a DVI<>HDMI cable, you shouldn't have any problem.
[16:45] <GrueMaster> I haven't tried using the dvi port.  Since I am no longer working on the project, I can only add help where I know how.
[16:46] <Laney> I have HDMI<>DVI but there was no output
[16:46] <Laney> nm, one problem at a time :-)
[16:47] <GrueMaster> (and I think Intel is blocking that web link for some reason)
[16:47] <Laney> "add this to your bootargs:
[16:47] <Laney> omapdss.def_disp=dvi "
[16:48] <GrueMaster> From what I know, the HDMI poirt is enabled by default in the 12.04 images, and should display on a DVI monitor just fine.  But I haven't tested it since ~Beta 1.
[16:48] <GrueMaster> Beyond that, I can't help much.  Sorry.
[16:48] <Laney> np
[16:49] <GrueMaster> I have a panda ES at home, but I am not there, and when I am, I have little time for arm stuff anymore.
[16:59] <cvanvliet> Laney, different board (overo), different setup, but we had trouble with anything other than 1024*768, don't know if that helps at all
[17:00] <ronoc> ogra_, I got 6/1 odds, so I thought it was worth it...
[17:01] <Laney> hey, quantal is working now!
[17:06] <infinity> janimo: I may have the solution for mono/armel, I have my crack team of +1 guys implementing and testing it for me, so I don't have to. :P
[17:06] <Laney> cvanvliet: It helps me feel less alone :P
[17:06] <janimo> infinity, oh thanks :)
[17:06] <infinity> janimo: (Looks like it's turning on ARMv6+ bits unconditionally because it's testing ASM on the buildd)
[17:06] <cvanvliet> Laneu lol
[17:06] <cvanvliet> grr
[17:06] <infinity> janimo: Hence why it works in Debian (their buildds are armv5)
[17:07] <janimo> infinity, good catch. So yet another case of assuming build arch = target arch
[17:08] <infinity> janimo: Indeed.
[17:09] <janimo> infinity, so I guess I can stop bootstraping armel chroots on armadaxp :) I was loath to dig out my panda from the drawer, the ac100 needs to be installed, scheat is down. Only after a while did I realise I have quad-cores at my disposal :)
[17:09] <infinity> janimo: Some day, I would like you to look into VFP and HF on mono (remember that we're still building with vfp=none, wich is ridiculous), but that's less urgent than us just making it build at all. :P
[17:10] <janimo> infinity, isn't VFP covered by upstream well? Or is this a "works for us (xamarin/android) and ubuntu has quirks" case too?
[17:10] <infinity> janimo: I figure that'll be just enough distro work for you to remember you hate us, and go crying to Chris to never let me borrow you again. ;)
[17:11] <janimo> I am not at all sad though we do not have mono in the default images anyomore :)
[17:11] <infinity> janimo: And I'm not sure what the current state is.  I know Debian and Ubuntu both disable the VFP bits on both armel and armhf, and there must have been a reason...
[17:12] <janimo> I am trying to do distro work (armadaxp kernel maint should qualify as that at this point), I just hate fixing the same type of bugs over and over again :(
[17:12] <Laney> RAOF said he was going to look at HF on mono
[17:12] <infinity> Well, I could find you new and exciting bugs.
[17:13] <Laney> because it's currently terribly broken (no p/invoke) even though it does build
[17:13] <infinity> Laney: THat's different.
[17:13] <infinity> Laney: That's that it's broken in its current state, even without VFP/HF.
[17:13] <Laney> yes
[17:13] <Laney> I am saying that he might care to look at this too.
[17:14] <infinity> Though, if he plans to turn on some HF ABI madness while sorting out popen, sure.
[17:26] <GrueMaster> infinity: Is VFP supported by all SOC's?  iirc, either Marvel or Tegra didn't support it, so it was kept disabled.  I could be wrong.
[17:27] <GrueMaster> (or are we only talking about mono?)
[17:28] <infinity> GrueMaster: Every V7 SoC supports VPV3-D16, you're thinking of NEON, which Tegra2 doesn't have.
[17:28] <GrueMaster> Ah, yea.  That was it.
[18:06] <Mihai00> Salut, vorbeste cineva limba romana ?
[18:14] <Mihai00> Salut, vorbeste cineva limba romana ?
[18:25] <Mihai00> Salut, vorbeste cineva limba romana ?
[18:30] <mythos> Mihai00, yeah! you, silly ;)
[18:31] <Mihai00> u are funny...
[18:32] <Mihai00> u know how to install ubuntu to android tablet?
[18:32] <mythos> Mihai00, nope
[18:32] <Mihai00> ok, thx
[18:32] <mythos> no problem ;)
[18:34] <mythos> Mihai00, but if you asked that question from the start, maybe someone read it earlier...
[18:34] <GrueMaster> Mihai00: Depends on the tablet.  First, is it armv7 capable.  Second, do you have a way of installing a new kernel or modifying the boot sequence?  Best place to look for help on this is probably XDA Developers.
[18:34] <mythos> Mihai00, see ;)
[18:35] <GrueMaster> mythos is right.  Best to ask the question outright, than to pop into a room and say "I have a question".
[18:36] <Mihai00> sorry .. my english is bad :|
[18:36] <GrueMaster> The room's complex mind-reading AI is currently down, so you have to revert to manual typing.  :P
[18:36] <GrueMaster> No problem.  So is mine (and I'm American).  :D
[18:36] <mythos> Mihai00, do as best as you can. as long as it is in a way understandable, no one cares really
[18:37] <Mihai00> tablet processor is Cortex a8
[18:38] <Mihai00> Tablet :  Allview Alldro speed
[18:41] <GrueMaster> Well, out of the box, Ubuntu doesn't have an image that will boot on it.  But since it is Cortex A8, the Ubuntu packages will run on it.  If you are up for the challenge, you can work on creating an image for it, or at least instructions for installing on it.
[18:42] <GrueMaster> I haven't read the detailed specs on the system, so I can't tell you how hard it will be.  Booting and video out will be your biggest hurdles.
[18:44] <Mihai00> ok thx
[18:45] <GrueMaster> Looks like http://forum.xda-developers.com has some interest in it.
[18:45] <GrueMaster> Google might turn up more results.
[18:46] <GrueMaster> Neat little unit though.
[18:46] <Mihai00> i looking here right now .. thx man
[19:58] <steev> ah crud
[19:59] <steev> GrueMaster: if he shows back up asking, point him to #arm-netbook, that's an Allwinner A10 chip, which is pretty much what the guys in there focus on (iirc, someone got ubuntu running on it)
[19:59] <steev> (i actually have that tablet too, but i'm fine with running CM9 on it)
[20:17] <GrueMaster> steev: Cool, will do.
[20:17] <steev> they are pretty decent machines for the price
[20:20] <GrueMaster> Meh.  I personally prefer the Nook Color/Tablet, but then this one does have HDMI out (Nook doesn't).