[00:00] kees: -bash: debuild: command not found [00:00] <-- build-essential is on the chroot [00:00] i think hunting for a typo is the best "first bug" [00:00] ;0 [00:00] because then you work out the kinks in your setup and get familiar with the steps [00:00] http://harvest.ubuntu.com or using advanced search on http://bugs.launchpad.net works good for that [00:02] When you say typos are you talking in the code or UI or both? [00:11] both [00:13] bkerensa: ah yeah, precise changed things a bit. you'll need to install "devscripts" in the chroot to get debuild [00:14] kees: thx [00:17] bkerensa: np. I've updated the debian wiki page to mention that nw. [00:50] kees: what is the difference between suggests and recommends [00:50] ? [00:57] night folks [00:57] see ya tomorrow [01:05] bkerensa: "recommends" are installed by default, but not strictly required for operation. suggests are not installed, but might be nice to have or somewhat related. [01:11] kees: what is the best way to copy a file from a chroot to the normal environment? [01:14] from inside the chroot? [01:15] some kind of network protocol mostlikely [01:16] a local chroot [01:17] kees: the reason I ask if the debdiff I generate is not showing the changes http://paste.ubuntu.com/1048403/ [01:18] that I made to brasero [01:19] bkerensa: I just copy stuff to /tmp -- that location is the same both in and out of the chroot [01:19] bkerensa: I thought /home was bind mounted inside it too [01:20] kees: any idea why that debdiff might not show the changes? :-o [01:21] bkerensa: in my changelogs I always mention the file that I made the changes in (helps people do merges), so I'd have said "debian/control: Added genisoimage dependency (Closes: #658789)" [01:21] and then I would immediate say "debian/control"? I bet there is a debian/control.in file that overwrote the changes [01:21] check for that, and then back the change in the .in file too [01:23] s/back/make/ [01:23] k [01:24] I usually work on the package from outside the schroot (with the package in my home dir), and just run the "debuild"s inside the chroot until things are the way I want them [05:55] kees: is there a way to tear a .debian package into a source file? [05:56] I mean bring it back to a source state? [06:03] bkerensa: a .deb file? no, that's just the binary outputs [06:03] kees: k [06:03] kees: Google made a mod_spdy debian package and we have a needs package bug open [06:04] I wanted to see if I could have peak at their /debian directory for the package [06:04] they should have the .dsc file there with the binary package too [06:05] it would appear not [06:05] https://developers.google.com/speed/spdy/mod_spdy/ [06:05] just the .debs [06:05] unless there is a obscure repo that has more than that somewhere [06:07] well that's disappointing. [06:08] indeed [06:08] its just a open source project what could we expect? :P [10:00] bkerensa: you could probably base it off of the upstream debian/ directory (that they have in install/debian): http://code.google.com/p/mod-spdy/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsrc%2Finstall%2Fdebian [10:00] sbeattie's tiny URL is http://tinyurl.com/74c8k7k [15:16] anyone know how to figure out what version of a package I had _before_ an upgrade? [15:17] is there like an apt history file or something? The latest nvidia driver screwed my disper config over [15:30] Brian_H, /var/log/dpkg.log? [15:30] Brian_H, if it's nvidia, i'd just nuke it entirely and start using nouveau, unless there's a compelling reason to do otherwise [15:35] for some reason the offical one just performs better on this laptop not sure why though [15:36] nouveau works good for my arch linux laptop though :p but that one also isn't hooked up to external monitors [15:55] hrm [15:56] wonder if Arch is using a newer kernel? [15:56] you might try running the quantal kernel in precise with nouveau, see if that makes a difference [16:12] nathwill: you ready for today? [16:12] <bkerensa> [02:12:28] pleia2: do you have any feedback on our app which is on agenda for tomorrow? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/ApprovalApplication [16:12] <pleia2> [15:56:47] bkerensa: looks good :) [16:15] bkerensa, yeah, i should be [16:17] nathwill: if you need any help preparing just look at previous logs from their meetings [16:17] :d [16:20] bkerensa, i mean... aside from explaining what we've been up to... [16:21] i dunno what's really expected... [16:26] nathwill: They will likely ask the following - "How many are hear from Oregon today?", "how do you organise events?", "what are your plans for this year: the usual of release parties and global jams?", [16:26] They might ask something about if you/we feel the loco will be sustainable. [16:27] my position on that is that there is no way to predict the sustainability of a group of volunteers and any loco that suggests they will be sustainable guaranteed is doing a bit of magic ball guessing :) [16:27] hrm, i suppose. [16:27] I think stats on commits and how much development contributions go into Ubuntu might be the key [16:27] idk really [16:27] :) [16:27] I just hope for the best this time :) [16:28] i'd probably speak to the aspect of group composition and similar local user groups that we draw membership, support from and partner with [16:28] fyi, may be slow to respond, everything's blowing up [16:30] nathwill: ok :) [16:35] nathwill: I would but these are "production" laptops so I need to keep them stock, the users here can't be playing with stuff they don't understand [16:35] ah [16:36] Brian_H, i assume you saw Linus' latest statement re: nvidia? [16:36] :P [16:37] no not yet, where might I find that [16:41] second... [16:42] I assume it's a long laundry list of why they suck :p ? [16:42] http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/ [16:43] lol well that says it all [16:43] indeed [17:11] nathwill: the video of Linus giving them the bird https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MShbP3OpASA [17:27] Did he say leeenus? Do i say it wrong? :) [17:35] http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/ [17:58] Yeah ive seen that :) [18:36] albrigha: hi long time no see :) [18:36] :) [18:43] nathwill: any suggestions for sushi spots out in Beaverton/Hillsboro area? I might be heading out Fri/Sat [18:43] * bkerensa has to take the lady clothes and accessory shopping :s [18:44] bkerensa, let me ask my buddy, i haven't done sushi since you and i went [18:44] wth [18:44] wow [18:44] yeah, i know. it's depressing [18:44] running to lunch now so i can be back for the meeting [18:45] kk [19:17] hi cweber10 [19:18] hi NTR [19:18] Hello! [19:20] So for this meeting, I see the mail asked for all members , if possible, to join in. [19:21] Still new here but would watching the proceedings be acceptable? [19:21] bkerensa: Hello, so nice to be on summer break [19:27] NTR: sure... any Oregonian who participates in any loco activity (IRC, IRL, Mailing List) is a member :) we dont have a threshold for membership other than that you participate [19:27] hello [19:28] bkerensa, am I too early to head over to the channel for the meeting? [19:28] Sounds good, I will plan on popping in there. [19:30] * c_smith hopes that bkerensa just missed his message and that he isn't having lag [19:31] c_smith: you can join the channel whenever you would like its a public channel [19:31] nathwill: I made some minor tweaks to the application (added a combined social following stat since the council likes that info) and our logo [19:31] alright. [19:33] hmmmm, I must have missed your message on FB, bkerensa :P [19:35] ok ben [19:41] fyi ben, i *think* i'll be available to interface with loco-council, but things are super-dodgy at work, so not able to guarantee it [19:41] just stick around, eh? [19:41] nathwill: :P lol [19:41] ok [19:41] Sorry for the notice spam but this is a reminder that Ubuntu Oregon's application for approval is before the LoCo Council in under 20 minutes in #Ubuntu-meeting and we would appreciate your participation (Lets do it this time). Thanks Kindly! albrigha adam_g bdmurray blkperl Brian_H c_smith cweber10 cy1 el_seano kees marut nathwill NTR Odysimus pwnguin r0csteady sbeattie shirgall slangasek tgm4883 thefinn93 wendar whopper922 zenlinux zogg [19:41] j88 TRAVISG [19:41] nathwill, you gotta do what you gotta do. [19:42] am I right on that? [19:42] I'll join after I reboot and see if downgrading my nvidia driver fixes my issue :) [19:42] :P [19:42] :D [19:42] brb [19:42] c_smith, by definition, you are correct [19:43] true. [19:43] bkerensa, i'm in that channel, ping me if I'm needed [19:43] tgm4883: Would you consider stepping in if nathwill is afk/unavailable? [19:44] what would I need to do? [19:44] can I yell at people? [19:44] cause I feel like yelling today [19:44] tgm4883: you can pull a Linus if they decline us again [19:44] :P [19:44] sounds good to me :) [19:44] basically just answer their questions as best as possible [19:45] I can be in PM if you dont know any [19:45] yea lets do that [19:45] k [19:45] nathwill: you have a substitute if you have to :) [19:45] I'm poking at a mediawiki server right now, so nothing too important [19:45] I take it that "pull a Linus" means yell and tell people that the code they submitted is crap like Linus Torvalds does to Kernel devs. [19:45] tgm4883: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/ApprovalApplication <-- for your perusal [19:46] do I have that incorrect? [19:46] c_smith: or say "Well F You Nvidia" [19:47] 1048+ Combined Social Network Followers [19:47] does that mean 1049? [19:47] ? [19:48] well you don't usually see such a specific number (eg 1048) followed by a + sign [19:48] + = growth and fluctuation [19:48] bkerensa, I looked over the approval application, I think that the Salem Ubuntu hour could be set to recurring, do you see that as so? [19:49] hi devxdev we have a loco council meeting in #ubuntu-user at 1pm if you wanna join and listen in [19:49] c_smith: I will peek and adjust as neccesary [19:49] alright. [19:49] bkerensa, I thought you just said it was in #ubuntu-meeting? [19:50] ah [19:50] bkerensa, sweet! will do :D [19:50] #ubuntu-user is nothing [19:50] devxdev, the meeting is on #ubuntu-meeting [19:51] c_smith, lol i figured one room was dead the other is packed [19:51] tgm4883: huh? [19:51] alright [19:51] devxdev: I mean #ubuntu-meeting [19:51] >.< [19:51] bkerensa, you had the wrong channel for devxdev [19:52] well, it's only a mistake, and it's onlyy human to make mistakes, right? [19:52] yup yup! [19:53] * bkerensa goes to lobby council members in PM :P [19:53] * c_smith rallies up some music and listens to it [19:53] >.> lobbyist. jk [19:53] at least you don't work for Microsoft, eh? [19:54] hi j_white1 we have a loco council meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at 1pm if you would like to join and listen in [19:54] c_smith: lobbying is an effective tool :P [19:54] anyone care to hear my opinion on Electronic Arts? [19:54] I am logged into that as well to see what occurs [19:54] bkerensa, true that. [19:54] everyone loves lobbying but condemns it in the end :) [19:54] lol [19:55] csmith, i am guessing it is not a good one [19:55] hi jvlb we have a loco council meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at 1pm if you would like to join and listen in [19:55] j_white1, yep, they have ruined my favorite games when they took over the companies: Westwood, they destroyed Command and Conquer, Maxis: destroyed their Sim games. [19:56] which is actually fact more than opinion. [19:56] any game they come across and acquire they ruin in the end. [19:56] last good C&C game? Red Alert Yuri's Revenge. [19:56] ^i agree with u ther [19:57] best C&C game? Red Alert 1. [19:57] nathwill: so is it looking like tgm4883 should maybe? :) [19:59] eh? [19:59] should maybe what [20:00] nathwill, he's asking if you are here or not [20:00] and whether I need to fill in for you [20:00] ah, yeah, but i'm only intermittently available, if you can, it would be really appreciated tgm4883 [20:01] ok [20:01] but I'm telling them off if we get declined [20:01] sorry. i am trying to juggle a series of cascading failures over here [20:01] and yes. i would wholeheartedly back you on that [20:01] :D [20:01] ok, ducking my head down again. [20:05] NTR, j_white1 I graduated a few years ago, information systems [20:06] 3rd on the list. [20:07] brb, putting this channel back in the main window [20:07] I hope to be done in two years time [20:09] I may ping out but I'll brb [20:09] oh [20:09] am I back? [20:09] >.< [20:09] ahh net is back [20:09] we should all respond with the exact same thing when they ask who is from the oregon team [20:09] yes [20:09] Quack [20:09] we should reply "Quack" [20:09] I like that [20:10] no quack here. i am a wolf LOL [20:10] When they ask who is from Oregon just say "Quick" [20:10] Quack* [20:10] lol [20:10] plus i like the beavers lol [20:10] what kind of sound dose a plataus make? [20:10] Quak [20:11] you know for those duck/beaver corsses who can't make up there mind :P [20:11] alright. [20:11] * kees stands by in #ubuntu-meeting [20:11] even though I'm neither a Duck fan nor a Beaver fan. Minnesota Golden Gophers all the way! :P [20:11] Hey all [20:12] hi TRAVISg [20:12] hey, TRAVISg. [20:12] TRAVISg, there's the Approval meeting now. [20:12] I am in a browser IRC [20:12] yeah I am there [20:12] Greek team looks pretty good [20:13] I thought Greece was having turmoil :P some how they can apply for approval? :P [20:13] I need to re-install Z-chat or something haven't wanted to mess with it again since upgrade [20:13] I believe Ubuntu is apolitical. [20:14] jvlb: indeed :) it was a joke [20:14] So we're responding with "Quak"? [20:14] what!!??? [20:14] ohaithar, jvlb [20:14] solidarity brother [20:14] tgm4883: Quack [20:14] Quack it is then [20:15] I'm in the ubuntu-meeting chan now, anything I need to say/do? [20:15] or just be there :p [20:15] * c_smith goes and tries to capture a duck for this [20:15] :P [20:15] Quack!!?? as in "what my OHP primary care provider is?" [20:15] I wonder if the foreigners will get the "quack" joke? [20:15] Brian_H: When they ask who is from Oregon say "Quack" [20:15] Brian_H, when they ask who is from the Oregon team, you will need to say "Quack" [20:16] jvlb: :P lets hope they dont [20:16] the idea is to puzzle them :) [20:16] lol [20:16] oh god [20:16] I mean, what else are we going to do on a cloudy tuesday afternoon? [20:16] Aha. If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, dazzle 'em with BS. [20:16] I love it lets all waddle in solidarity [20:16] oh god is right..... puzzling them might look badly on us. [20:17] we are up :D [20:17] c_smith: nah [20:17] this should be pretty easy [20:17] alright. [20:17] REMEMBER "QUACK" [20:18] gotcha. [20:18] looks like we have to reapply less often then I thought. every 2 years [20:19] slangasek, rofl [20:19] lol [20:20] * c_smith passes out snacks [20:21] jvlb eats them. [20:23] * c_smith listens to music [20:23] tgm4883: if you want, you can pimp the sbuild juju charm too, which has been field-tested now at two separate bug squashing parties. :) [20:24] :) [20:24] How is our documentation they asked about last time? [20:25] too late to worry about now! :) [20:25] thought it was that duck..... [20:25] Just thought we could mention it before them if it is shored up [20:25] * kees struggles to understand the most recent question [20:26] I think we may have just seen a FLOSS game dev. one from the Wesnoth team...... [20:27] How was the Squash at PSU on saturday? [20:27] tgm4883, thats true I've ran into a few people that dont want to be bothered with it.. [20:28] yeah [20:28] we want the barrier to be low [20:28] TRAVISg__: was fun! a lot of bugs not smooshed [20:28] Almost made it down all though would have been strictly for moral [20:30] should I mention the Hours I hold here in Salem? [20:30] also, Ubuntu One is the perfect music storage [20:31] c_smith , Do you still hold the hours every week? in Salem, [20:31] yep [20:32] c_smith, I agree, u1 is awesome for music, i just wish i got better transfer speeds to my fone with the music app [20:33] I wish I got better speeds to my PC. [20:33] nathwill: anything else to throw in? [20:33] to bad I have nothing to show for work on Ubuntu TV on the embedded platform atm.. I had no idea about this meeting or I'd of done something [20:34] c_smith: when do you hold hours? [20:34] done deal [20:34] can I +1 for it :p [20:34] ;) [20:34] ? [20:34] approved [20:34] Broadway commons Coffeehouse. [20:34] whooo [20:34] WoooHOOOO [20:34] awesome. [20:35] Congrats guys! [20:35] Yee haw! [20:35] whoooop! [20:35] quack [20:35] stand tall Oregon team! [20:35] nathwill: you should ask if we get a precise CD kit [20:35] :) [20:35] woot [20:35] \o/ [20:35] bkerensa: i think that's a discussion for another place [20:35] Ubuntu Oregon congratulations... and I like the "quack" thing xD [20:35] I think there's a "yay" afoot [20:35] it's all about making people smile :) [20:35] c_smith: when do you have hours at that coffee shop? [20:36] 6PM every Friday, goes until 7PM. [20:36] j_white1, I think they are 6:00 PM on Friday [20:36] We get a banner and booth cloth now :P [20:36] Great job guys [20:36] and CD's every cycle [20:36] but I still like our banner better than Brian_H and co sponsored ;) [20:36] well, I'm off to eat lunch. [20:36] Congrats to the WHOLE team. [20:36] cya all. [20:36] great job tgm4833, thanks. thanks to everyone else who showed up, too! [20:36] I will have to make it to one of those. Are you having one this week? [20:36] Great leadership bkerensa [20:36] nice work you guys. :) [20:37] :) [20:37] thanks MarkDude but nathwill deserves much credit he has been "putting in a lot of work" as of late [20:37] :) [20:37] and c_smith has too [20:37] everyone is making great contributions [20:37] You folks do such great stuff, that I know its not just Ubuntu Teams that can learn from you [20:37] Its FOSS teams in general [20:38] Ty nathwill c_smith [20:38] and we're just getting started :D [20:38] nathwill: yeah we need to do that statewide tour this summer [20:38] :) [20:39] I know- that makes it even better nathwill - the OFFICIAL status will help some. And the amount you folks have done in such a short amount of time is * a bar graph going up* [20:39] * MarkDude [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[hugs]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] the whole Team [20:39] :) [20:39] Looking forward to seeing all of you at OSCON [20:39] CLS too. [20:40] Congrats all! I have to get back to work. Hope to contribute more soon! [20:40] :) see ya soon j_white1 [20:41] Yeah dont forget to register for a free EXPO pass at OSCON.com with code "FREEORG" or "FREEPROJ" [20:41] and http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com [20:43] All right I am outta here see you all lsoon [20:44] nathwill, I forgot to ask you, where did you pull the stats that said we had X% code contributions in the last cycle (from your powerpoint) [20:57] tgm4833, i parsed the launchpad membership list [20:57] ah [20:57] and compared that to the wiki page where they published contributing developers [20:57] which i also had to parse [20:57] nathwill, I wasn't in that list ;) [20:57] it was hilarious [20:57] tgm4883, i'm sure my estimate was low [20:57] because the naming conventions were different [20:57] all my contributions fall under the mythbuntu team's [20:57] it would be interesting to pull stats from every release [20:58] and then track them down to locos [20:58] and publish a graph chart [20:58] :D [20:58] it would be interesting to have that ability in launchpad... [20:58] because i don't want to do it by hand forever [20:58] LP API? [20:59] tgm4833, honestly, i whipped it out as fastest, easiest way to get stats for the presentation... coming up with something else has been on my agenda, just hasn't happened yet [20:59] i'm sure there's a better way [21:00] Old School Canonical Logo: https://forms.canonical.com/assets/canonical/images/logo.png [21:00] :D [21:00] * bkerensa continues poking around [21:01] nathwill, do you have a link to the contributing devs list? [21:03] tgm4883: its in the 12.04 credits list [21:08] tgm4883: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Credits/Developers === kalosaurusrex is now known as Guest13511 [21:09] tgm4883, what bkerensa said [21:14] what nonsense is this >.< Canonical sending DHL tracking info to mailing list [21:14] =/ [21:15] should I install Bazaar? [21:15] sorry that question was for bkerensa [21:17] j_white1: yes [21:18] bkerensa: thanks I was noticing on LP they only list for windows and mac the downloads. [21:23] j_white1: on Ubuntu you do "sudo apt-get install bzr" [21:23] in Terminal [21:23] its a Terminal application [21:23] much easier that way! thanks. [21:24] I am loving using the command line to install. way easier than trying to download and install. [21:26] Btw... since were approved any loco members who want their blog syndicated on the LoCo Portal that is now a reality :) [21:26] c_smith: maybe you might be interested ^ [21:38] ^^what do you mean? where would it be displayed O_o [21:40] bkerensa, here: http://www.ubuntu-oregon.org/blog/ ? [21:41] loco.ubuntu.com [21:43] nice [21:46] bkerensa... and where's the feed? or is that just coming from fridge.ubuntu.com [21:46] ? [21:47] ? [21:47] loco.ubuntu.com has its own aggregator and it pulls feeds from select loco members [21:47] I would have to enroll those interested [21:49] ah [21:49] so where do you subscribe? [21:49] not to be shown, but to read [21:50] you dont its just for people who visit [21:50] I dont think loco.ubuntu.com has its own feed [21:50] it just displays others items [21:50] i see [21:51] nathwill: more just for display on the site versus subscribing [21:51] im sure l.u.c gets lots of traffic [21:51] not as much as planet but surely enough [22:33] There doesn't seem to be an easy way to get the list of contributors [22:34] I mean that doesn't involve just parsing that page [23:05]