[06:36] <superfly> morning SmilyBorg :-)
[06:36] <superfly> o/
[06:36] <SmilyBorg> Hey there :-)
[06:40] <Kilos> morning superfly SmilyBorg tumbleweed and all
[06:40] <Kilos> nice to have you home tumbleweed 
[06:40] <SmilyBorg> hey Kilos
[06:42] <superfly> môre oom Kilos
[06:43] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[06:52] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[06:52] <psydroid> hi superfly
[06:52] <dLimit> Greetings
[06:54] <Kilos> yo dLimit 
[06:54] <Kilos> you been quiet hey
[06:55] <dLimit> Yeah Kilos studying.. Bad for ones social life
[06:55] <dLimit> But I'm trying Ubuntu precise today
[06:56] <Kilos> thats good
[06:56] <dLimit> Thought I'd hate it but its actually freaking awesome
[06:56] <tumbleweed> morning
[06:56] <dLimit> tumbleweed: greets
[06:57] <dLimit> Not going to give mah gentoo and openbox for it but they did a very good job with it. Even unity doesn't suck that much anymore.
[06:57] <Kilos> sounds good dLimit 
[06:57] <superfly> hi psydroid, dLimit, tumbleweed
[06:58] <dLimit> superfly: Hi.
[06:58] <dLimit> So how are you doing Kilos ?
[06:58] <Kilos> im good ty dLimit , still on maverick
[07:01] <dLimit> I would have still been on karmic if my connection still sucked.. 
[07:02] <Kilos> hehe
[07:02] <dLimit> Karmic was the last best.
[07:02] <dLimit> From lucin on everything changed
[07:02] <dLimit> lucid*
[07:02] <Kilos> na maverick is better
[07:04] <superfly> I dunno, I find 12.04 to be better than ever... oh wait, I'm using KDE :-P
[07:04] <Kilos> rofl
[07:05] <dLimit> Lol I want to get back onto the KDE bus again..
[07:05] <Kilos> no release chat would be complete without that remark poppin up
[07:05] <Kilos> superfly, kubuntu is not available from canonical is it?
[07:06] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know what you mean
[07:06] <Kilos> as in do they still supply the cd's?
[07:06] <Squirm> morning
[07:07] <Kilos> sure i read somewhere they dropping kde
[07:07] <Kilos> yo Squirm 
[07:08] <superfly> Kilos: Canonical is no longer employing the one person they used to for Kubuntu, so no, Kubuntu is no longer an official, Canonical-endorsed Ubuntu derivative... it now officially joins the ranks of Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[07:08] <Kilos> aha
[07:08] <superfly> Which is interesting, since the biggest deployment of desktop Linux that Canonical has done so far is a Kubuntu deployment
[07:09] <superfly> Unity is for consumers... businesses want KDE
[07:10] <Kilos> hi NeVeR_ 
[07:13] <Squirm> and I want Gnome 2 :/
[07:13] <Kilos> Squirm, did you try precise unity?
[07:14] <Kilos> hi charl 
[07:14] <Squirm> no
[07:14] <Squirm> but then again, I'm not using Ubuntu
[07:14] <Kilos> dLimit, says its awesome
[07:14] <Squirm> haven't used it since Unity started
[07:15] <dLimit> I like the dashboard with the video's
[07:18] <Kilos> well if you have time and no data cap Squirm give it a try
[07:19] <Kilos> old saying
[07:19] <Kilos> dont knock it till youve tried it
[07:22] <dLimit> Still not switching tho.
[07:22] <Kilos> morning sflr 
[07:23] <sflr> morning guys!
[07:23] <dLimit> sflr
[07:26] <superfly> morning sflr
[07:26] <superfly> sflr: if you can, a real IRC client is much better than the web chat interface
[07:26] <sflr> hi superfly!
[07:27] <dLimit> irssi
[07:27] <Kilos> xchat quassel
[07:27] <sflr> I use xchat from home. at the office it is blocked :)
[07:27] <dLimit> Or even telnetting would be better
[07:27] <superfly> if you're a command line junkie
[07:27] <superfly> sflr: you have port 80 open though?
[07:27] <superfly> (HTTP)
[07:28] <sflr> yes, some ports are open
[07:28] <sflr> haha, i must try telnet dLimit :)
[07:29] <superfly> sflr: you can try port 8000 too
[07:30] <dLimit> alright im out cheers
[07:32] <sflr> I try that now
[07:32] <sflr> any specific server?
[07:33] <superfly> chat.freenode.net
[07:33] <Squirm> .:Kilos:. dont knock it till youve tried it <<-- Not knocking it, I just said I prefer Gnome 2
[07:34] <Kilos> hehe
[07:34] <sflr> it says /connect is unknown command. is there alternative?
[07:35] <superfly> sflr: what are you using?
[07:35] <sflr> xchat-gnome
[07:36] <Kilos> can llok in mine if it might help sflr 
[07:37] <Kilos> look
[07:37] <superfly> sflr: ask Kilos
[07:37] <sflr> Kilos, where do you change the server and port in Xchat? cant find it anywhere
[07:37] <Kilos> where are you in xchat now sflr 
[07:37] <Kilos> in the first little window that opens
[07:37] <Kilos> select freenode
[07:38] <sflr> I just opened it
[07:38] <Kilos> under networks
[07:38] <Kilos> scroll down
[07:38] <sflr> ok
[07:38] <Kilos> once selected tick edit
[07:38] <Kilos> on the right
[07:39] <Kilos> add favourite channels
[07:39] <sflr> wait. i dont have edit option. only Connect and Close
[07:39] <Kilos> mine shows irc.freenode.net/8001
[07:40] <Kilos> on the right side
[07:40] <Kilos> not bottom
[07:40] <sflr> first needs to connect then. it seems port 8000 also blocked. not connecting. 
[07:40] <Kilos> should show add, remove, edit and sort buttons
[07:41] <sflr> I stick to the webchat for now :) need to get productive
[07:41] <Kilos> no before connecting
[07:41] <Kilos> ok ping me when you have time sflr 
[07:46] <sflr> Kilos: screenshot of connect window http://i50.tinypic.com/2ymfuwo.png on Ubuntu 12.04, Xchat Gnome version 0.3.0
[07:46] <Kilos> ok i will look quick
[07:47] <Kilos> something wrong there should show buttons on the right as well
[07:48] <Kilos> can you drag the right side open more
[07:48] <Kilos> sflr, ?
[07:49] <Kilos> and dont tick the little network list block
[07:50] <sflr> its a modal popup , nothing on the right. and no tick. lol
[07:51] <Kilos> close it and look the first window again where you put nicks
[07:52] <superfly> sflr: you need to find this window, and edit the Freenode entry: http://xchat.org/files/screenshots/xchat_screen_2.png
[07:52] <superfly> I think you need to close the connection window, and then go to Edit -> Preferences
[07:53] <superfly> (why is the preferences option in the edit menu? Gnome is seriously almost as bad as Apple)
[07:53] <sflr> thanks, found it in preferences :)
[07:53] <sflr> screenshot can tell 999 words
[07:58] <Kilos> superfly, whats that image link againplse
[07:59] <superfly> http://xchat.org/files/screenshots/xchat_screen_2.png
[07:59] <Kilos> that xchat isnt working right
[07:59] <Kilos> no , the one where i send me screenshot
[07:59] <Kilos> oh
[07:59] <Kilos> imageshack was it
[07:59] <superfly> oh
[07:59] <superfly> yes... http://imageshack.us/
[08:00] <Kilos> ty
[08:02] <Kilos> sflr, should look like this
[08:02] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img836/5238/screenshotny.png
[08:02] <Kilos> excuse the messy desktop
[08:03] <Kilos> aw thats a bad screenshot, half missing
[08:06] <Kilos> lost lots when pc crashed, need to find imageshack info
[08:07] <sflr> thanks Kilos, its ok for now. No time for me to fiddle around with it. The ports are blocked and need to hit the meeting rooms now :S
[08:07] <Kilos> ok sflr  i will try get all the info for when you have time
[08:30] <Kilos> can you guys see all the buttons in the xchat windows on this screenshot guys
[08:30] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img826/2671/screenshothgv.png
[08:30] <inetpro> Kilos: remember that there are two different versions of xchat as well
[08:30] <inetpro> good morning BTW
[08:30]  * inetpro is not sure which one you recommend
[08:31] <Kilos> oh ya he mustnt use xchat-gnome
[08:31] <Kilos> that sucks
[08:31] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[08:31] <Kilos> is my take screenshot function sick?
[08:45] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img259/144/screenshotlr.png
[08:45] <Kilos> had to take screenshot 4 times
[08:49] <Kilos> inetpro, when he says ports are blocked. where are they blocked
[08:54] <Kilos> at work or online
[08:54] <superfly> Kilos: at work
[08:55] <Kilos> ah ty superfly 
[08:55] <Kilos> i dunno how to get around that
[08:56] <superfly> Kilos: find another port
[08:57] <Kilos> oh he should be able to do that
[08:57] <Kilos> im lost with that stuff
[09:01] <Kilos> will i need to study up on routers to be able to understand that better?
[09:03] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:03] <charl> what seems to be the problem?
[09:04] <charl> are you trying to connect to port 8001 ?
[09:06] <Kilos> im good ty charl its steven that has prob with xchat
[09:07] <Kilos> but he is busy now
[09:08] <Kilos> if he knows how to find another port at work he should win
[09:16] <charl> ah ok cool
[09:17] <charl> i never use the xchat list - i always just type /server and then manually specify
[09:17] <charl> and then connect to the default 6667 port
[09:17] <charl> i have had similar issues in the past
[09:18] <Kilos> ah then maybe you can help him when he gets back. but first i think he should remove xchat-gnome and install xchat
[09:18] <Kilos> maybe its me but the gnome xchat kinda sucks
[10:11] <Kilos> sjoe I'm sure ZA's internet is getting worse
[10:12] <dLimit> Yeah I got 30kbps right now
[10:13] <dLimit> Suppose to be a 1meg line
[10:13] <Kilos> ouch thats worse than gprs
[10:16] <dLimit> Its hardly even dialup
[10:19] <Kilos> so who is the culprit? telcom?
[10:21] <dLimit> dunno.
[10:21] <dLimit> could be
[10:27] <RPM> :|
[10:27] <RPM> my internet is chugging today ;(
[10:29] <charl> i am pretty convinced they are trying to get people to upgrade to more expensive packages
[10:29] <charl> by just progressively making the cheaper packages slower
[10:30] <Kilos> yeah typical
[10:35] <RPM> rofl.. I have a 10mbit line with a 4mbit uncapped unshaped account, and its extremely slow :(
[10:35] <RPM> even switched to my free fnb account to see if its just the account
[10:35] <RPM> isp*
[10:37] <Kilos> they will say there are too many peeps working at the moment. Please be patient
[10:40] <Kilos> at least maaz hasnt slowed down
[10:40] <Kilos> Ping reply from Maaz: 0.57 second(s)
[10:41] <Kilos> Maaz, i love you
[10:41] <Maaz> Kilos Don't embarrass youself. You aren't a cyber chick
[10:41] <Kilos> cheeky bot
[10:55] <NeVeR_> Maaz, you are cool
[10:55] <Maaz> NeVeR_: I already know stuff about you
[10:57] <Kilos> haha
[10:58] <NeVeR_> :|
[10:58] <NeVeR_> Maaz se ....
[10:58] <Maaz> NeVeR_: Excuse me?
[10:58] <NeVeR_> Maaz is tripping
[10:59] <Kilos> he is struggling to find an answer for that
[10:59] <NeVeR_> lol
[11:00] <Kilos> nuvolari, you need to get a stronger chair for the next meeting
[11:00] <Kilos> last one fell over too easily
[11:25] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[11:26] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[11:34] <charl> hi maiatoday 
[11:35] <maiatoday> hi charl
[11:39] <superfly> hi maiatoday
[11:40] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[11:45] <NeVeR_> hi maiatoday
[11:45] <NeVeR_> http://capetown-westerncape.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-cars-2008-Nissan-1400-bakkie-W0QQAdIdZ384038660
[11:46] <maiatoday> bleargh
[12:25] <tumbleweed> I have a Quantal Quetzal male small T-shirt if anyone wants it. Let me know
[12:55] <Kilos> nearly like net splits i see
[12:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:56]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:56] <Kilos> inetpro, quick coffee before you start working
[12:56] <Kilos> hehe
[12:58] <sflr> yoyoyo!
[12:59] <Kilos> wb sflr 
[12:59] <sflr> hi Kilos!
[12:59] <Kilos> remove xchat-gnome and install xchat
[13:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:00] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:01] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:01] <sflr> thanks Kilos, I will give a try later. I am starting an online meeting now in Google Hangouts
[13:01] <inetpro> Kilos: what was that?
[13:01] <inetpro> oh you said coffee?
[13:02]  * inetpro goes to switch on the kettle
[13:02] <Kilos> lol
[13:03] <sflr> hey inetpro
[13:04] <inetpro> sflr: .
[13:04] <sflr> raisin? lol
[13:05] <inetpro> :-)
[13:07] <inetpro> https://plus.google.com/101962591714399883882 <-- sflr: is that you?
[13:08] <sflr> i dont know. steven.scheffler@gmail.com
[13:13] <sflr> google plus should introduce friendly URLs. hehe
[13:20] <Kerbero> interesting surname
[13:21] <sflr> Kerbero? :)
[14:34]  * Kilos wonders if there is any meaning in a sheeps sounds, other than a lamb screaming
[14:34] <Kilos> maaaaaaaa
[14:35] <Kilos> and the ewe answering 
[14:35] <Kilos> jaaaaaaa
[14:36] <Kilos> scared to tweet that, someone will call me a twit
[15:02] <Kilos> yo Mezenir 
[15:07] <superfly> Kilos: voel 'n bietjie eensaam?
[15:07] <superfly> (alone)
[15:08]  * superfly is not sure if his afrikaans is still up to scratch
[15:08] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[15:09] <Kilos> dit was reg gewees
[15:09] <superfly> Kilos: what's the story with your visa now?
[15:09] <Kilos> i have it superfly 
[15:09] <superfly> Kilos: so why aren't you in australia?
[15:10] <Kilos> they said it took so long because of bad communication between here and perth i think it was
[15:10] <superfly> ah
[15:10] <Kilos> eish
[15:10] <Kilos> finances
[15:10] <superfly> Aaah
[15:11] <superfly> As ek die geld gehad het, oom...
[15:11] <Kilos> debs has had a bad run for a year with that ankylosing spondilitis and sacroiliitus so mad bills crippled her
[15:12] <Kilos> ek weet my vriend
[15:12] <superfly> Shame
[15:12] <Kilos> sal miskien sien of ek mark kan email een van die dae
[15:12] <sflr> ASAP means nothing in Cape Town. #liveandlearn
[15:13] <superfly> Hahaha sflr, what's the story?
[15:14] <sflr> waiting for some documents since 1pm. i was promised that will be sent ASAP. which i thought will take around 30 minutes. hehe
[15:14] <superfly> Heh.
[15:14] <sflr> it was a matter of attach and email. lol
[15:14] <Kilos> haha
[15:16] <Kilos> superfly, maybe i need someone to hack quantas and print me a ticket
[15:17] <superfly> hehe... You need an inside contact
[15:20] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[15:20] <Mezenir> hey all
[15:20] <superfly> Yo Mezenir
[15:21] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[15:21] <Mezenir> howsit going
[15:21] <superfly> A!right, just on the journey home
[15:25] <sflr> hi Mezenir
[15:35] <Mezenir> hi sflr
[15:35] <Mezenir> mmm
[15:35] <Mezenir> lol
[16:40] <inetpro> superfly: did those lights come on again?
[16:42] <superfly> inetpro: they did, and the train left too... I'm home safe and sound
[16:42] <inetpro> cool
[17:16] <Kilos> yo smile 
[17:17] <smile> hi! :D
[17:17] <smile> installed ubuntu :)
[17:17] <smile> instead of linux mint debian
[17:17] <Kilos> well I NeVeR_ 
[17:17] <Kilos> good
[17:17] <smile> :o
[17:17] <smile> why never? :p
[17:17] <Kilos> teasing NeVeR_ 
[17:17] <smile> oh. :p
[17:17] <superfly> smile: how do you like it?
[17:18] <smile> I like it, but it could be better even more :p
[17:18] <smile> for example booting screen hangs
[17:18] <superfly> yeah... that's why I use KDE :-P
[17:18] <smile> [the graphics]
[17:20] <Kilos> smile, unity?
[17:20] <smile> Kilos: jap. only switching between apps I don't like
[17:20] <Kilos> jap?
[17:20] <smile> jap = yeah
[17:20] <smile> :p
[17:21] <smile> belgian ;)
[17:21] <Kilos> japanese
[17:21] <Kilos> oh language
[17:21] <smile> :D
[17:21] <smile> Belgian-Dutch :)
[17:21] <Kilos> aha
[17:22] <Kilos> yo charl 
[17:22] <smile> Kilos: have you slept wel? :)
[17:23] <Kilos> lol last night?
[17:23] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:23] <sflr> I use Ubuntu 12. 32-bit, as 64-bit fries my laptop
[17:23] <charl> hi smile 
[17:23] <charl> hi sflr 
[17:23] <sflr> hey charl
[17:23] <charl> that's weird, how so?
[17:23] <smile> charl: hi! :D
[17:23] <charl> sflr: what type of chipset are you using
[17:24] <smile> sflr: well I use 64 bit and livecd worked fine, but install is failing more :(
[17:24] <sflr> its Dell Latitude
[17:24] <smile> sflr: ok :D
[17:24] <charl> i'm using a 6-year old fujitsu siemens that is literally falling apart
[17:24] <sflr> the fan just goes on and the side really gets hot. keep my coffee next to it. then its like that for 5 minutes. then machine switches off. Boom!
[17:24] <charl> and i can run 64-bit ubuntu without any problems
[17:24] <Kilos> 64bit isnt as stable methinks
[17:24] <Kilos> ian also had probs
[17:24] <smile> sflr: boom. :p
[17:24] <charl> nah 64bit is perfectly stable by now
[17:25] <charl> sflr: can't say i have ever had that issue or heard of anyone with that issue, definitely something weird that's specific to your model
[17:25] <sflr> then I checked and Dell 'recommends' 32-bit ubuntu.lol
[17:25] <charl> ah ok well... something is clearly up then
[17:25] <smile> lol, they don't like 64 bit :p
[17:25] <sflr> yes, it must be model. same happens to 3 other laptops at the office
[17:26] <charl> yeah definitely something up then with that one
[17:26] <sflr> time to upgrade I think. we cant work with burning hardware. haha
[17:26] <charl> lol
[17:26] <charl> no that sucks
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <charl> thing is you can't address more than 4GB of ram and you waste a bunch of registers
[17:26] <charl> don't know if you work with virtualisation much or heavy-weight oracle solutions but 4GB of ram is not enough anymore
[17:26] <sflr> we will give it to windows users
[17:27] <Kilos> isnt the 64bit just heavier so you need faster pc and more ram than with 32bit
[17:27] <charl> i need more than that just for a virtual machine i use for development with some oracle stuff
[17:27] <charl> Kilos: the instructions are larger but you don't need a faster pc for it
[17:27] <Kilos> whew 4 g ram
[17:27] <sflr> VM server or desktop instance?
[17:27] <smile> we always should compare 32 & 64 bit :)
[17:27] <charl> sflr: desktop even
[17:27] <charl> no obviously you need more for servers
[17:27] <sflr> yeah, was just checking
[17:28] <sflr> we are setting up private cloud now
[17:28] <sflr> infrastructure team very sceptical.hehe
[17:28] <charl> nice, which technology is it based on (if i am allowed to ask, no prob if not)
[17:29] <sflr> we are benchmarking different ones currently. 
[17:29] <sflr> its for a distributed data center architecture. nothing fits so far
[17:30] <sflr> Amazon moved to Gardens in Cape Town. new fancy offices.
[17:30] <charl> amazon? interesting
[17:31] <charl> http://www.amazon.co.za/
[17:31] <charl> you mean that?
[17:31] <sflr> yes, AWS
[17:31] <charl> nice
[17:32] <sflr> apparently they are hiring lots of peeps suddenly
[17:32] <charl> hold on a second
[17:32] <sflr> http://www.amazon.co.za/jobs.htm
[17:32] <charl> there is a company that somebody i know works at
[17:32] <charl> they are also partly based in cape town and partly in san francisco
[17:32] <charl> lemme look up the name and see if i can find it
[17:32] <charl> they used to / are doing work for amazon
[17:33] <sflr> ok. cloud fluffs?
[17:34] <charl> these people: http://nimbula.com/
[17:34] <charl> afaik cocooncrash also works there
[17:35] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimbula
[17:39] <charl> i'm sure most of you didn't realise that amazon ec2 was created by two south africans
[17:39] <charl> at least led up by
[17:40] <sflr> yes, there are some technical docs on the VM somewhere
[17:40] <sflr> we use some ec2 stuff
[17:41] <sflr> Nimbula sounds familiar
[17:41] <cocooncrash> ohi
[17:42] <sflr> it was launched this year, I think I read it in the news then :)
[17:42] <sflr> hi cocooncrash
[17:43] <charl> afaik nimbula has been going for quite some time
[17:43] <cocooncrash> sflr: First release was a year ago actually :)
[17:43] <charl> i have not been following the news
[17:43] <charl> but russell cloran started working for them a long time ago
[17:43] <sflr> yes, sorry. 2011. i am stuck in that year
[17:43] <charl> i was applying for his old job at the time, that was back at naspers search engine
[17:44] <charl> ended up not taking the job, might as well because they cut the whole project 2 months later
[17:44] <sflr> is it public or private cloud? and which areas in the world are the datacenters?
[17:44] <sflr> naspers search engine? google competitor?
[17:44] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash 
[17:45] <cocooncrash> sflr: It's software, not a service, so we don't run datacentres
[17:46] <sflr> thanks cocooncrash, i read up on the site before ask more stupido questions =)
[17:46] <charl> sflr: this is ancient history now but naspers were building their own search engine
[17:46] <charl> sflr: they actually had a nice thing going but they decided to cut the whole project
[17:47] <charl> sflr: the biggest problem really was that they couldn't get the darn thing to scale, even though they had some feature advantages above google at the time
[17:47] <sflr> bummer :( 
[17:47] <charl> sflr: but two months later they had a massive corporate restructuring and decided to cut the whole project and move to google
[17:47] <sflr> sjoe. architecture problems
[17:48] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Hi :)
[17:48] <sflr> charl,  what storage engine was it using?
[17:49] <charl> sflr: they were really super weird though, first they wanted to hire me, then they didn't about some stupid issues regarding me having been involved with sites such as the old muti.co.za
[17:49] <charl> sflr: then they later came back and wanted to hire me after all, they really screwed with me big time, that's what pissed me off
[17:49] <charl> so eventually i just gave them the finger
[17:49] <charl> at one point they actually claimed that i was involved with some online dating site i have never even heard of
[17:49] <charl> that was the most ridicululous thing i have ever heard
[17:49] <sflr> haha, but would have been a problem really?
[17:51] <sflr> muti.co.za never heard of it :|
[17:54] <sflr> Ubuntu Dapper Drake Beta. haha. good old days
[17:54] <sflr> from muti.co.za in 2006 http://web.archive.org/web/20060425064015/http://muti.co.za/
[17:55] <charl> sflr: i have no idea, i never took the job and never thought of asking them at the time
[17:56] <superfly> ohi cocooncrash
[17:56] <cocooncrash> superfly: ohi
[17:56] <superfly> all well in SF?
[17:57] <cocooncrash> superfly: Yup, going well
[17:57] <cocooncrash> .so started her job 2 weeks ago
[17:57] <superfly> glad to hear it
[17:57] <superfly> good news!
[17:57] <cocooncrash> We (finally) got the release out, so things are a bit calmer now
[18:05] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:05] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[18:10] <Kilos> cocooncrash, dunno if you tweet but we have an account there
[18:10] <Kilos> @ubuntuza
[18:11] <Kilos> i think its called an account
[18:13] <Kilos> sflr, did they eventually deliver package
[18:13] <sflr> yes Kilos, that's why I need to do work now :S
[18:13] <Kilos> ok
[18:14] <smile> Kilos: hij is weg :o
[18:14] <magespawn> Bit late at night sflr.
[18:15] <Kilos> hij =?
[18:15] <Kilos> smile, do you mean he
[18:15] <Kilos> afr is hy
[18:16] <smile> charl is gone, i mean
[18:16] <smile> Kilos: ja ek weet. maar ek het vergeet ;)
[18:16] <Kilos> then its hy is weg
[18:16] <smile> ^^
[18:16] <Kilos> lol julle jong mense mag nie vergeet nie
[18:18] <Kilos> net ons ballies mag vergeet
[18:21] <sflr> magespawn, was waiting for it since lunch time
[18:23] <magespawn> sflr if you do not mibd me asking, what do you do?
[18:23] <sflr> magespawn, now? eating noodles. haha
[18:24] <smile> Kilos: hoe oud is jy? :p
[18:24] <sflr> magespawn, I work in IT
[18:24] <Kilos> 61 in 4 dae smile
[18:24] <magespawn> Mmm yes? Details?
[18:25] <smile> Kilos: wow! :D
[18:26] <Kilos> hehe
[18:26] <charl> hi guys
[18:26] <sflr> magespawn, enterprise architect at an online company.
[18:26] <charl> sorry i got busy here
[18:26] <sflr> charl u looked you were gone
[18:26] <Kilos> np charl wb
[18:26] <charl> thanks
[18:27] <sflr> where is the minutes from last night's meeting? link?
[18:27] <magespawn> sflr MCITP?
[18:27] <charl> sflr: muti was a social bookmarking site aimed at south africans
[18:27] <charl> sflr: it was basically like a local reddit
[18:27] <charl> sflr: i had some very limited involvement, particularly surrounding the api design and implementation
[18:28] <charl> sflr: but that never really got implemented by as many people as we hoped
[18:28] <Kilos> nuvolari, you not gonna send links about last nights meet to lists?
[18:28] <sflr> magespawn, no, not microsoft.
[18:28] <magespawn> Linux?
[18:29] <sflr> charl, maybe it was a timing issue? or connectivity?
[18:29] <charl> sflr: nah social bookmarking basically took a big dive with social networks like twitter and facebook, that's an international phenomenon
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro, do you know the link to last nights minutes?
[18:30] <charl> sflr: kevin rose also left digg some time ago, eventually got fed up with it i guess
[18:30] <sflr> magespawn, architecture is technology agnostic. open source is really good and reliable. if facebook and twitter can run on it
[18:31] <sflr> charl, yes he left. people get bored of stuff even if it was their own baby. i think foresquare founder also left. if remember correctly
[18:31] <charl> sflr: there are still some loyal user communities around sites like reddit etc, muti was a side project by a good friend of mine (neville newey)
[18:31] <magespawn> Thats the main difference between facebook and myspace
[18:31] <charl> sflr: he basically did all the work on the site in his free time and never got paid a cent for any of it
[18:31] <charl> sflr: eventually he decided to sell the domain to some other people, a decision i can definitely respect
[18:31] <sflr> reddit is still big internationally
[18:31] <magespawn> Good way to make some money
[18:32] <charl> sflr: yeah it's understandable, i mean, you do something for too long, eventually you need to start with something new
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.txt
[18:32] <sflr> magespawn, yeah, like instagrm. haha
[18:32] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[18:32] <inetpro> wow, you guys are busy this evening
[18:32] <Kilos> sflr, ^^
[18:32] <magespawn> Go big or stay at home.
[18:33] <Kilos> yeah like last nights meet i battle to keep up
[18:33] <sflr> yes charl, then someone can take over and change things change. 
[18:33] <sflr> inetpro, yeah round 2 of meeting
[18:34] <sflr> thanks for the meeting link. there are lots of Agreed items compared to previous meeting o_O
[18:34] <magespawn> Thats a good thing
[18:36] <sflr> what do you do magespawn?
[18:36] <magespawn> sflr so you look after the hardwar?
[18:36] <smile> bye :)
[18:36] <charl> sflr: reddit has actually not done too badly, although i don't think it managed to keep in trend with the growth of facebook and twitter
[18:36] <charl> sflr: i think reddit has a loyal user community
[18:36] <charl> it's a bit like 4chan in many respects
[18:36] <sflr> yeah, i like homework. haha
[18:36] <magespawn> Partime field guide and internet cafe owner.
[18:36] <Kilos> sleep tight smile 
[18:36] <smile> thanks, you too :)
[18:36] <sflr> yeah charl, loyal user community is the right term for reddit
[18:36] <magespawn> Night smile
[18:36] <sflr> by smile
[18:37] <smile> :DD
[18:37] <sflr> magespawn, we have a department who looks after the hardware. but we own a lot of it. and virtual and cloud etc
[18:38] <sflr> magespawn, on what fields you guiding?
[18:38] <magespawn> Hluhluwe Game Reserve mostly.
[18:39] <Kilos> charl peer got you
[18:39] <sflr> nice. close to Kruger :)
[18:39] <sflr> i remember now. looked you up on the map the other night :)
[18:39] <magespawn> Not really.
[18:39] <magespawn> Yup that was it.
[18:39] <charl_> Kilos: yeah i seem to have some issues with that other freenode server i was connected to
[18:39] <charl_> the ping was insane
[18:40] <sflr> haha charl. its true. your messages came through like a flood
[18:41] <charl> weird stuff!
[18:41] <charl> i had the same with messages from you guys
[18:42] <charl> i'm connected to niven now, i used to be connected to leguin
[18:42] <sflr> Internet submarine cable map. Fascinating! http://www.submarinecablemap.com/
[18:43] <magespawn> It is amazing how they keep it all connected.
[18:44] <magespawn> I want onenof those for myself
[18:45] <sflr> hahaha. your hardware would limit the available speed :|
[18:45] <sflr> South Atlantic Express (SAEx) looks promising. by efive.co.za linking south america and africa
[18:46] <sflr> coming in 2014
[18:46] <magespawn> I am assuming that if I can get the cable I would have the appropriate equipment
[18:46] <magespawn> More bandwidth.
[18:48] <sflr> I wonder whats the speed comparison between the  best satellite and best inter continental cable
[18:49] <magespawn> The fastest satellite I know that is affordable is similar to adsl
[18:50] <highvoltage> one of the few things I don't miss from south africa is the internet :)
[18:50] <sflr> fibre optic must be faster theoretically. its light after all. satellite is radio waves.
[18:50] <sflr> highvoltage, hahaha. we can still dream =)
[18:51] <highvoltage> sflr: :)
[18:51] <magespawn> My adsl is good, and I happy that is at least uncapped.
[18:52] <magespawn> Am
[18:54] <Kilos> night everyone. sleep tight 
[18:54] <highvoltage> in canada they also want to introduce more and more caps, which sucks. but at least there's still plenty of good uncapped (realy uncapped) plans available
[18:54] <magespawn> I remember my first dial up. Telkom telling me that the did not garuantee the line for internet dial up
[18:54] <Kilos> i go crash now
[18:54] <highvoltage> night Kilos 
[18:54] <magespawn>  Night Kilos
[18:54] <magespawn> 28800.
[18:54] <highvoltage> I downloaded starofice 5.2 over 14400. took me 5 evenings :)
[18:54] <sflr> by Kilos
[18:55] <sflr> onto floppy disks? haha
[18:55] <magespawn> I did some work in spread sheet, Lotus 123.
[18:55] <sflr> ADSL is good now to be honest
[18:56] <sflr> anybody played Battlefield 3 Close Quarters? I wonder if it's any good
[18:56] <highvoltage> sflr: I was in SA in december and dsl was still pretty crappy then
[18:56] <sflr> Lotus! oh my
[18:56] <highvoltage> (well, I guess it's ok for typical home use, but for work it was terrible)
[18:57] <highvoltage> and at my friends house telkom didn't even want to give him 10mbit, said it's only for new customers
[18:57] <magespawn> My exchange will only go to 4
[18:58] <highvoltage> yeah the 4mbit telkom dsl is quite painful for me especially since it only has 512kbps upload
[18:58] <highvoltage> (unless they've increased it)
[18:58] <superfly> nope, still 512
[18:58] <magespawn> That the problem.
[18:58] <superfly> if you want 1Mbps, you have to get a 10Mbps line
[18:58] <highvoltage> (which was especially painful for me getting used to having 7mbit upload at home)
[18:58] <superfly> really stupid, if you ask me
[18:58] <magespawn> The 1 meg is also 512 up
[18:59] <superfly> magespawn: exactly... can't they at least make it 1 up?
[18:59] <sflr> yeah its pretty crap the upload
[18:59] <highvoltage> yeah the problem with 512 up is that one person in the house uploads something (like a bunch of facebook photos or whatever) and the entire connection becomes unusable for everyone in the house
[19:00] <sflr> superfly,  you get 10Mbps if you have 4Mbps
[19:00] <highvoltage> it's really not the 'full family' solution that telkom advertises it to be
[19:00] <magespawn> Heard about a virgin active trial in london 16gig to a hundred homes, both directions.
[19:00] <sflr> Telkom is not facebook friendly. hehe
[19:00] <magespawn> Telkom is not anything friendly.
[19:01] <sflr> magespawn, it clearly shows on the seacablemap where you can get such kind of bandwith
[19:01] <superfly> sflr: yes, but the cost of data is horrendous... well, uncapped data, that is
[19:01] <highvoltage> magespawn: my flatmate's grandmother has 2gbps to her house (she's in switzerland), her switch is the bottleneck (only 1gpbs)
[19:01] <NeVeR_> jeez
[19:01] <NeVeR_> I want that
[19:02] <sflr> superfly, that's true. I think i am on 10Gig. 8gig goes on kids' youtube :|
[19:02] <magespawn> We all going to the swiss alps then?
[19:02] <highvoltage> if my grandmother had that I'd build a server room in her basement :)
[19:02] <sflr> lol @ highvoltage
[19:02] <magespawn> Apprently south korea has the worlds best internet
[19:04] <charl> i was in dublin back in february and one of my ex-colleagues's girlfriend is from south korea
[19:04] <magespawn> highvoltage i say change the switch.
[19:04] <charl> he stays with her there part of the year
[19:04] <charl> the country is getting a lot of growth but actually used to be quite a poor place
[19:04] <sflr> metropolitan areas in s korea  100 Mbit/s ! Boom! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_South_Korea
[19:04] <charl> even now the salaries aren't up to international norms
[19:04] <charl> but they indeed have a very healthy technology infrastructure and industry
[19:04] <charl> lg, samsung etc
[19:05] <magespawn> But with internet like that everything else will follow.
[19:05] <charl> well it's not as simple as that but the south korean government takes growth seriously and sees technology as a path to that
[19:05] <magespawn> Information, knowledge, inspiration.
[19:05] <magespawn> Sharing.
[19:05] <charl> but one of the reasons south korea can be so competitive is that they have a very high education level but workers don't earn huge salaries
[19:06] <charl> that's very different than in most countries
[19:06] <charl> most countries either don't have the skills base or the skill base is very expensive
[19:06] <magespawn> Almost exactly the opposite of here.
[19:06] <charl> yup
[19:06] <charl> i didn't want to say it but you took the words out of my mouth :)
[19:07] <charl> let me put it to you this way, i used to contract while i used to live in south africa and i used to cream it bigtime :)
[19:08] <magespawn> Contracts and consultants with the knowledge usually do.
[19:08] <charl> heh no kidding
[19:08] <charl> ask Symmetria :)
[19:08] <charl> even i was not nearly up to his level
[19:09] <NeVeR_> I'm hopefully going to start contracting in a few months.. starting a web dev business, but going to contract out as a DBA/SysAdmin
[19:09] <charl> yup
[19:09] <charl> dba is a good direction
[19:09] <magespawn> Not to open a can here, but what is his level?
[19:09] <magespawn> Database?
[19:09] <bmg505> hi
[19:09] <bmg505> I forgot about hte meeting :(
[19:09] <charl> magespawn: network consulting
[19:10] <magespawn> No worries bmg 505
[19:10] <NeVeR_> Im currently a full time dba.. mysql, oracle and openedge progress
[19:10] <magespawn> Mmm, but how does one get there?
[19:10] <NeVeR_> I maintain about 80 sites at tme moment
[19:11] <NeVeR_> I think network consultants get paid the most
[19:11] <magespawn> I am doing A+, N+ and MCITP Enterprise Admin, with Exchange and MSSQL added on.
[19:12] <charl> magespawn: a lot of coffee lol
[19:12] <NeVeR_> lol
[19:12] <magespawn> i LIKE coffee.
[19:12] <charl> heh no you need to be a full-out addict
[19:12] <charl> when you can consider it legal substance abuse
[19:12] <magespawn> Coffee drip.
[19:13] <charl> yup and caffiene patches for the in-between :P
[19:13] <magespawn> Have you used a camel bak?
[19:13] <charl> nope can't say i have
[19:13] <Banlam> don't put coffe in a camelbak
[19:14] <charl> is it plastic on the inside?
[19:14] <magespawn> 2 litre back pack with a sip tube for drinking, 
[19:14] <magespawn> Have done that before.
[19:14] <charl> that's nice but if it has plastic it won't work for me
[19:14] <Banlam> unless it's iced coffee
[19:14] <charl> yeah then it's fine of course
[19:14] <Banlam> boiling water don't work so nicely
[19:14] <charl> if it's cold
[19:14] <charl> cancer ftl and all that
[19:14] <Banlam> oh
[19:14] <Banlam> i asn't talking about that
[19:14] <Banlam> plastic melts yo
[19:14] <magespawn> Has to be, or it melts.
[19:14] <charl> the plastic starts dissolving
[19:14] <charl> into the drink i mean
[19:15] <magespawn> Yup not good.
[19:15] <charl> i don't know if it really causes cancer btw, some people say that but they say that about everythintg
[19:15] <charl> x causes cancer, y causes cancer
[19:15] <Banlam> so you don't use plastic mugs?
[19:15] <charl> me, nope
[19:15] <charl> not at all
[19:15] <Banlam> charl, was gonna say, so many reports come out these days
[19:15] <Banlam> everyone claiming or refuting something new
[19:15] <charl> yeah exactly i don't get too worked up
[19:15] <Banlam> :/
[19:15] <magespawn> So what would you need besides experience to get to that level?
[19:16] <charl> actually they should just come up and say "life causes cancer - avoid life at all costs - don't live even if it kills you"
[19:16] <magespawn> Life is a sexually transmitted disease, and is invariable fatal.
[19:16] <charl> nice
[19:16] <charl> yup
[19:17] <charl> and that is a substantiated claim, it can be scientifically reproduced
[19:17] <magespawn> No one gets out of life alive. Jim Morrison , I th8nk.
[19:18] <charl> for scientific proof just go to the hospital pregnancy ward and then go to the semitary
[19:21] <magespawn> I studied nature conservation, so the work does not worry me.
[19:24] <charl> my mom used to work in saasveld
[19:24] <charl> they had a big nature con story going there
[19:24] <charl> and forestry
[19:24] <charl> brb
[19:37] <magespawn> Have some friends down there now.
[19:38] <charl> nice
[19:38] <charl> they used to have a big ict school but they closed it down
[19:39] <charl> but the campus was always based primarily around forestry
[19:39] <charl> did some e-learning stuff with them a long time ago
[19:39] <charl> 10+ years
[19:39] <charl> actually even set up an irc server for them
[19:40] <charl> and an old school java chat client lol
[19:40] <charl> beautiful campus though, even has a golf course
[19:43] <magespawn> Very nice part of the country.
[19:44] <charl> sugoi des ne: http://www.diginfo.tv/v/12-0119-r-en.php
[19:45] <charl> more awesome: http://www.diginfo.tv/v/12-0116-r-en.php
[19:48] <magespawn> Very cool.
[19:52] <magespawn> Isn't the second one also in Battlestar Galactica tv series.
[19:52] <magespawn> ?
[20:00] <charl> lol
[20:00] <charl> yeah it looks like it
[20:00] <charl> no kidding
[20:04] <charl> nn all
[20:05] <sflr> which is nice part of the country?
[20:05] <magespawn> Bye every one
[20:05] <sflr> cheer magespawn!
[20:05] <sflr> s
[20:06] <magespawn> Saasveld george garden route knysna
[20:06] <magespawn> Cheers sflr.
[20:06] <sflr> oh yeah. beautiful
[20:06] <sflr> bye!
[20:06] <magespawn> Later.