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Unit193zz_Htbrdd: Please don't use away nicks.01:39
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jazHi. I'm kinda a linux newbie and I'm installing xubuntu atm, if i wanted to have separate partitions of /home/ and st uff, i'd partition my hdd and select the mount point for each one as a different so i'd have one partition as / for a mount point, another as /home/, etc right?01:59
jazah well, i assume that's what i'm suppose to do if i wanted a seperate partition for /home/ so i went ahead and did it02:16
jazhope it works :P02:16
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rebornhi03:09
Yankees52!ops03:13
ubottugnomefreak, TheSheep, crimsun, mrpouit, Myrtti, PriceChild charlie-tca, cody-somerville or knome03:13
Yankees52niggas03:13
ballIs there software for Xubuntu that can talk to a Palm PDA, perhaps send it files?03:42
Unit193Last I looked, not well.  You can get a package list that might with the  "palm pilot" search key.03:43
ballHmm... let's try pilot-link03:45
ballHmm... looks as though that may be for the older serial-port ones.03:47
* ball experiments03:47
NJD89Is Xubuntu less taxing on the computer than regular Ubuntu?05:48
baizonNJD89: yes05:51
baizonit is more primitive :)05:51
baizonNJD89: what hardware do you got?06:13
NJD89baizon, My apologies. I didn't realize that somebody had responded. It's a 1.7Ghz Centrino with 2GB of RAM and a low-end Intel intregregrated graphics. I forgot which model.06:26
baizonok :)06:26
NJD89How does Lubuntu compare? I just heard of that one.06:27
baizonlubuntu is a lightweight DE06:28
baizonbut imo it doesnt have much features too06:28
NJD89I use to run Gentoo "back in the day", but I'd much rather have something that's simplistic and ready to go. Just tired of having this older laptop chug along with Vista and I don't feel like going back to XP.06:29
baizonwith xfce you get  a full desktop06:29
baizonyes, i know what you mean :)06:29
baizoni like just to install it and go06:29
baizonnot first configure and compile for hours06:29
NJD89So Xubuntu would probably be the better choice then. I want something lightweight, but not where it takes away from a decent desktop.06:29
Unit193You could try a live usb/cd of both and see what one you like best, and what works best for you.06:31
NJD89Exactly. It was fun to tinker with, but I find it to be a waste of time unless you're idea of living life is spending it in a void of trivial commands with compilations and configurations. Haha06:31
baizonthats a good idea06:31
baizontest both and then choose :)06:32
NJD89I've used XFCE fairly often some years back, but I've never heard of LXDE until now. Perhaps I will try the live cd as suggested.06:32
baizonfor me LXDE is too simple06:33
baizonsome desktop features are missing that i use06:33
baizonlike the panel goodies06:33
NJD89Yeah, the screenshots are looking pretty basic.06:33
NJD89This laptop may be old, but it's not THAT old. Haha06:34
baizon:)06:41
xubuntu335Hi my friend08:38
xubuntu335Do you speak french, please ?08:39
olbiwhere are files .mo?09:52
olbii forgot it :P09:52
hobgoblinall over the place - locate *.mo09:55
SandJWhat is the default email program for Xubuntu 12.04?   (KMail has corrupted a bunch of my emails AGAIN so it has to go.)10:42
MarzataSandJ: T-bird10:45
MarzataSandJ: also mail :)10:45
MarzataSandJ: or mailx :)10:46
SandJNeither mail nor mailx are installed.  I meant GUI email programs.  I assume T-bird is Thunderbird, yes?10:47
SandJThere is no mailx in the Ubuntu Software Centre.10:47
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gabx666Hello. I dual boot my box Arch/Xubuntu. I am doing a fresh install of Xubuntu 12.04. GRUB2 is already configured on the Arch side, and I do not want install again any bootloader with Xubuntu 12.04. It seems the installer won't let me not installing a bootloader12:38
cousteaudouble-clicking a desktop folder uses Thunar even though I've set Nautilus as the default file viewer12:53
ochosicousteau: you probably would have to let nautilus manage the desktop12:53
cousteauochosi, but Thunar doesn't do anything with the desktop, right?  the desktop is a separate thing that just calls Thunar when opening a directory12:54
cousteauor at least I thought that in XFCE desktop and file manager were separated12:55
ochosiyes they are12:55
ochosixfdesktop is usually managing the desktop12:55
ochosibut it's a rather old piece of xfce12:55
ochosithat's why they wanted to rewrite it12:55
cousteauso it's xfdesktop the one that opens Thunar12:55
ochosipossibly it's hardwired to thunar12:55
ochosibut i dunno, i'm just speculating12:55
ochosicheck git.xfce.org to be sure ;)12:55
cousteau(don't tell me about hardwiring; I've actually been doing that all this morning)12:56
ochosihehe12:56
cousteauwell, this would require to be considered.  I thought thunar was totally optional (which is nice, so that I can use whichever file browser I like)13:05
* cousteau is trying to read the xfdesktop sources to find the thunar dependency13:12
recon69_laptring to get a microSD card to work but I cant find how to access it after putting it in the card reader?13:32
cousteaudoesn't it get automatically mounted?13:37
cousteauor appear in the desktop?13:37
cousteauor in "Computer", or in /media?13:37
cousteauif so, maybe you need to modify the grub  (I had this problem in LXDE back in the day; maybe it's the same one)13:38
recon69_lapcousteau: no, no  indication of anything happening, there is no "Computer" in xubuntu as far as i can find. I'v tried both in the card reader and through a usb device. no sign of it mounting13:39
xubuntu979how can I make if i've a keyboard usb & mouse...... theirs functions are interrupt13:40
cousteaurecon69_lap, well, in Thunar, Ctrl-L and type /media13:40
xubuntu979excuse me, i had xubuntu 12.04 on hol perntium 4 ram 53613:41
cousteauxubuntu979, that doesn't make sense, USB keyboard + mouse should work fine as 2 separate devices13:41
cousteau(_should_)13:41
xubuntu979not for me cousteau my xubuntu lost this devices during i work.....i don't know why?13:44
recon69_lapbrb, reboot :)13:45
cousteauxubuntu979, no idea13:47
cousteauwhat does lsusb say?13:47
xubuntu979hao could i install in xubuntu keyboard + mouse usb stably13:47
xubuntu979how could i install in xubuntu keyboard + mouse usb stably?13:48
recon69_laphmm, guess I'll have to try in a windows machine and see if the SD card is working, getting no indication that it recognizes it ;(13:51
cousteaurecon69_lap, wait, I'll look for the grub thing13:53
cousteauok, in /etc/default/grub I had to add "pciehp.pciehp_force=1" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT13:55
cousteauso it was changed from   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"   to   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pciehp.pciehp_force=1"13:55
cousteauthen I did   sudo update-grub   and after rebooting, SD cards were plug and play13:56
recon69_lapcousteau: I'll reboot and see if it works13:58
recon69_lapcousteau: what was the update command again?14:01
cousteausudo update-grub14:01
cousteauafter editing /etc/default/grub14:02
cousteau(you need permissions to do that)   gksudo leafpad /etc/default/grub14:02
recon69_lapright, reboot again and see14:02
cousteauso many reboots can't be good...14:03
recon69_lapcousteau: no joy, sd card not showing as far as i can see. works in phone. I'll have to try again later, thx for the help14:07
cousteauouch...  that was my last (and only) bullet14:07
cousteaumaybe...  what filesystem is it?14:08
cousteausudo fdisk -l    # may help14:08
recon69_lapcousteau: I would assume some sort of FAT, cant remember that far back14:08
recon69_lapbut it's not mounting at all, so probably not the format14:09
recon69_lapanyway, I'll have to try again later.14:10
recon69_lapbye14:10
xubuntu884Hello15:42
xubuntu884I'm trying Xubuntu through a live usb, and I'm asked to enter the login and the assword. What should I enter ?15:43
rebornyou still there?16:06
xubuntu884@reborn : who ?16:09
reborn@xubuntu884, you need help?16:09
xubuntu884@reborn : yes, I need help.16:13
xubuntu884@reborn : I'm trying a Xubuntu through la live usb16:13
xubuntu884@reborn : I get a screen prompting for a login/pwd16:14
xubuntu884I've tried ubuntu/xubuntu/"nothing"/root/admin bit nothing's working16:14
xubuntu884any ideas ?16:14
hobgoblinif you are being asked for the password in the livecd there is something wrong with it16:17
xubuntu884okay16:18
rebornhe use live usb.16:18
xubuntu884I'm using a live usb, but I installed Xubuntu on a 1GB memory stick16:19
xubuntu884maybe it's too small ?16:19
rebornno, it seem perfect to me, and which you created a usb booting?16:20
xubuntu884@reborn : what's the question ? I created the live usb with "unetbootin"16:22
hobgoblinyou need to check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded16:22
hobgoblinyou shouldn't be asked a password16:23
rebornis this your first time to use linux? Just curious.16:23
SandJOdd.  Two days ago someone else asked about the live USB sking for a username and password.  That wasn't you too, was it, xubuntu884?16:23
hobgoblinxubuntu884: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes16:23
xubuntu884@hobgoblin : okay I'm going to check the md5sum16:24
recon69_lapwhat with dialogs in xubuntu, I try do a save as in gimp and the dialog is unusable because it does not fit on screen!!!!16:24
xubuntu884@reborn : I'm running Ubuntu since a while now, why ? :)16:25
hobgoblinI would - if that's ok then reboot and check the integrity from the menu - but I can't see that being a problem16:25
hobgoblinrecon69_lap: click +alt16:25
xubuntu884@SandJ : That wasn't me16:25
rebornwell, unetbooting is not my favorite, so i prefer startup disk creator16:26
hobgoblinrecon69_lap: left click +alt then you can grab and move it so you can maximise or whatever you need16:26
recon69_laphobgoblin: thx, that will work :)16:27
hobgoblin:)16:28
xubuntu884I checked the integrity of my Xubuntu iso, it is OK16:35
xubuntu884I'm now checking the integrity from the menu16:37
xubuntu884"error found in 1 file !"16:37
xubuntu884I'm going to re do the live usb with startup disk creator16:38
xubuntu884I've created another Xubuntu live usb with another usb stick, another iso, and another software...16:54
xubuntu884... now it works : no login/pwd ! :)16:55
xubuntu884thx16:55
reborngood16:56
xubuntu884:)16:59
xubuntu884bye16:59
hobgoblincool16:59
jonnei installed the ubuntu indicator plugin and put it in my panel, but it shows (part of) the global menu too17:39
jonneis there a way i can turn it off?17:39
GridCube?17:40
GridCubeexplain17:40
baizonjonne: remove the appmenu pkg17:40
hobgoblinjonne: do you still have a whole bunch of different environments installed17:40
malvhow many developers work on Xubuntu17:41
jonnetnx baizon17:41
jonnei overlooked that, apparently17:41
malvIt doesn't seem like there is that many because this major usability bug is still not resolved.17:41
Unit193Purge the package you installed, then sudo apt-get autoremove; sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends $ubuntuindicatorplugin-packagename-here17:41
baizonmalv: which one?17:41
malvthe gtk3 move bug17:42
baizonmalv: did you wrote a bug report?17:42
malvall gtk3 apps jump around the screen when you click on them17:42
malvyea17:42
jonnei had uninstalled everything related to appmenu, but then installed indicater-plugin using this guide17:42
jonnehttp://xflinux.blogspot.be/2011/01/get-ubuntu-like-indicator-applets-and.html17:42
malvit has activity on it but its been sitting there for weeks17:42
baizonmalv: i dont have that bug? can you record a video please and post it?17:43
recon69_lapcan't find my wallet :(17:43
baizonjonne: dont install it, its broken17:43
baizonjonne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-appmenu-plugin/+bug/92261517:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 922615 in xfce4-appmenu-plugin "Does not work anymore on 12.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:44
malvhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/100193617:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1001936 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "GTK3 Grab/Move Triggered on Mouse Click" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:44
baizonthat needs to be fixed17:44
jonnesecond line ccontained an appmenu package, and i overlooked that17:44
malvhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2IDxFKBFA youtube video of the bug17:44
malvwindow jumps to the bottom right of the screen17:44
jonnebaizon, it seems to work for me :/17:44
malvmakes using gtk3 apps very aggrivating17:44
baizonno it wont work right17:44
hobgoblinmalv: oh - I got that - wondered what it was - though I did not have it prior to installing xfce 4.1017:45
jonnethe order of the icons is wrong, but it works17:45
malvbe sure to say the bug affects you17:45
malvit occurs on every system ive seen17:45
baizonhmm, i never had such a bug17:45
jonnesound menu and everything17:45
hobgoblinwell I didn't have it with vanilla xubuntu - only once I installed the 4.1017:45
baizonjonne: yes, but it wont work right17:45
malvtry reading more pdfs with evince17:45
malvyou'll notice it when the document you are reading flies across the screen17:46
baizonhmm i will try that out17:46
malvbasically it seems non-deterministic as far as I can tell17:47
baizonbut imo its a xfce bug, not xubuntu17:47
malvcant really figure out exactly what triggers it17:47
baizonmalv: have you tried xfce 4.10?17:47
malvyou just have to click around a while17:47
malvno17:47
baizonbecause im using xfce 4.1017:47
malvare you using 4.1017:47
malvok, so it might have been fixed there17:47
malvpost that on launchpad17:47
hobgoblinbaizon: I get it with 4.10 - I didn't before17:47
hobgoblinor didn't notice it17:48
baizonhmm17:48
malvi get it on all machines with a stock xubuntu 12.04 install17:48
malvtried with amd, nvidia, dual screen, single screen17:48
baizonsec, testing17:48
malvhavent tried intel17:49
jonnei think that bug's invalid, as it clearly works on 2 systems I use17:49
malvyou need to click around and do focus switching between windows17:49
malveventually it gets triggered after a while with gtk3 apps17:50
hobgoblinmalv: +1 to that last comment17:50
SandJmalv - I just watched that video - I thought it was me clicking poorly.  I've been getting that on 12.04; don't remember it occurring before I upgraded.17:50
hobgoblinI've not noticed anything every time the same17:50
SandJI use my PC all day and probably get that app-grabbing about once a day.17:51
malvi get it a lot because I do a lot of PDF switching17:51
hobgoblinmalv thinking about it - I get it most with tbird17:51
malvtbird isnt gtk317:52
malvnever seen it with thunderbird17:52
malvonly gtk3 for me. gedit, software center, evince, ect...17:53
baizonok back17:56
baizontested it for 2 min17:56
baizondidnt had that bug even once17:56
rebornhey you guys, where i can find the global menu in command?17:59
baizonreborn: i dont undestrand your question, sorry :(18:00
rebornyou know global menu like mac?18:00
baizonyes sir18:00
baizonreborn: http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/OMG+!+XFCE+Global+Menu+%5BPPA+Ready%5D?content=14610218:01
baizonsomething like this?18:01
rebornweird, yesterday, i did went there, and installed, but like a caution to not install.18:02
baizonreborn: yes, dont install it18:03
rebornwhy is that?18:03
baizonreborn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-appmenu-plugin/+bug/92261518:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 922615 in xfce4-appmenu-plugin "Does not work anymore on 12.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:03
rebornoh18:03
baizonyes18:03
Ritchiehello19:06
knomehullo19:06
SDXHello.19:06
SDXIf I enter "TEMP=$(acpi -t|cut -b 16-17)"°C" && echo $TEMP" into a terminal, I get the temperature of my CPU, but if I try to use it with Genmon I get "TEMP=$(acpi: No such file or directory".19:07
SDXDoes Genmon have a different way of handling &&?19:08
knomeTEMP=`(acpi ..)` ?19:08
xubuntu475painhi people. i am facing an unusual issue here, even since 6 years of linux usage, running xubuntu on Acer one 722 netbook, suddenly, freezes, resart, grub says, nothing to loade, placed the xubuntu usb, stuck in the middle, turned off, in few hours got the xubuntu running but no mouse, no usb mouse, and no sound in the pannel, any ideas?19:09
SDX"TEMP= ..." assigns the output of the next command to the TEMP variable.19:11
SDX"$(acpi -t|cut -b 16-17)" is the command set to TEMP.19:11
SDX"'°C'" is the bit I want to append to the output of "acpi -t ..."19:12
SDX"&& echo $TEMP" prints whatever is stored in TEMP.19:12
SDXIt works perfectly on the terminal, just not in Genmon.19:12
SDXxubuntu475pain: Is your keyboard a USB keyboard?19:13
astraljavaSDX: How do you enter that to genmon? What's the config file?19:14
Unit193SDX: Workaround, add it to a file and set the env as bash, then run that file.19:14
SDXastraljava: I opened Genmon's properties window and entered it there.19:15
astraljavaSDX: I was going to suggest what Unit193 just did.19:15
Unit193Also, is it using SH?19:15
SDXUnit193: That's currently what I'm doing.  It works, but I'd rather have it all in Genmon's configuration.19:15
Unit193bash -c 'TEMP=$(acpi -t|cut -b 16-17)"°C" && echo $TEMP'  ? :P19:16
SDXNo, I didn't preface it with sh.  That's probably the problem.19:16
SDXThank you.19:16
Unit193sh won't handle it, bash will19:17
Unit193...I think: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/137/5c4.jpg19:18
SDX"bash: TEMP=$(acpi: No such file or directory"19:18
SDXHuh.19:18
SDXWell, it works with a script, even if Genmon is no longer neatly contained in its own configuration files.19:19
Unit193You forgot -c19:20
SDX"bash -c TEMP=$(acpi -t|cut -b 16-17)"°C" && echo $TEMP"?19:21
SDXIt's given me a lengthy error that doesn't fit in my panel.19:22
Unit193Alright, well bash file works. :P19:24
astraljavaWell, it WorksForMe™19:35
churlHelp:  After recent updates, I am unable to login to any window manager or the recovery console.  Screen flashes to bootup text, then black, then back to the login screen.  Guest session works fine20:17
LeafyHi, I'm having some problems installing a Xubuntu 12.04 64 bit on an EeePc, am I in the right place ?22:22
LeafyIn fact the main problem is a crash at the end of the install, while doing the "grub install dummy"22:25
Unit193Ubiquity crashing isn't ever really a good thing, did the desktop work? You could just use the !alternate installer.22:27
LeafyAnyone here ?22:27
LeafyCan't take a screenshot as it crash but took a picture : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/20120620001201.jpg/22:30
GridCubeLeafy, as Unit193 said, you could try the alternate installer22:47
GridCubeor get into the live cd and use boot-repair, get it from here https://launchpad.net/boot-repair22:48
GridCubeand try to see if it can install grub22:48
LeafyThx, I'll try that22:48
LeafyRemind me : using the alternate I have to chose the package I want ?22:49
Unit193Not really.22:50
GridCubenot really22:50
LeafyOk, so, what does alternate stand for ?22:50
GridCubeit doesnt load graphical desktop22:51
GridCubeits just text22:51
GridCubebut its the same installation22:51
Leafyok, so I can try to install it, and if it works i'll just have to load it after22:52
GridCubeLeafy, try the boot-repair option first22:52
GridCubeits faster, and if it works you dont have to download a new iso :P22:53
LeafyGonna try that22:55
LeafyI was told the problem can be resolved by using acpi=off option22:57
martinphoneare dns something I can change?23:07
martinphoneor just content providers such as web pages?23:07
knomeyou're able to change the dns servers you're using.23:07
martinphoneis opendns a joke or does it work?23:10
knomeno idea23:10
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LeafyThanks for the help, gonna make some cofee and try that :)23:16
xubuntu877Hello23:19
Unit193martinphone: Can you explain a bit more?23:19
Unit193!resolvconf23:20
ubotturesolvconf is a set of scripts that's used to manage /etc/resolv.conf in 12.04, for more information please see: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/23:20
xubuntu877yes, I tried to install xubuntu but at the end the installation it just freezes and doesnt do anything23:21
xubuntu877so im forced to push the power button23:21
xubuntu877and when I turn it on again it the computer wont move past the the load up screen23:22
martinphoneUnit193, i wont be using opendns, just asked for it due to BT's ban of tpb23:45

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