[01:39] <Unit193> zz_Htbrdd: Please don't use away nicks.
[01:59] <jaz> Hi. I'm kinda a linux newbie and I'm installing xubuntu atm, if i wanted to have separate partitions of /home/ and st uff, i'd partition my hdd and select the mount point for each one as a different so i'd have one partition as / for a mount point, another as /home/, etc right?
[02:16] <jaz> ah well, i assume that's what i'm suppose to do if i wanted a seperate partition for /home/ so i went ahead and did it
[02:16] <jaz> hope it works :P
[03:09] <reborn> hi
[03:13] <Yankees52> !ops
[03:13] <Yankees52> niggas
[03:42] <ball> Is there software for Xubuntu that can talk to a Palm PDA, perhaps send it files?
[03:43] <Unit193> Last I looked, not well.  You can get a package list that might with the  "palm pilot" search key.
[03:45] <ball> Hmm... let's try pilot-link
[03:47] <ball> Hmm... looks as though that may be for the older serial-port ones.
[03:47]  * ball experiments
[05:48] <NJD89> Is Xubuntu less taxing on the computer than regular Ubuntu?
[05:51] <baizon> NJD89: yes
[05:51] <baizon> it is more primitive :)
[06:13] <baizon> NJD89: what hardware do you got?
[06:26] <NJD89> baizon, My apologies. I didn't realize that somebody had responded. It's a 1.7Ghz Centrino with 2GB of RAM and a low-end Intel intregregrated graphics. I forgot which model.
[06:26] <baizon> ok :)
[06:27] <NJD89> How does Lubuntu compare? I just heard of that one.
[06:28] <baizon> lubuntu is a lightweight DE
[06:28] <baizon> but imo it doesnt have much features too
[06:29] <NJD89> I use to run Gentoo "back in the day", but I'd much rather have something that's simplistic and ready to go. Just tired of having this older laptop chug along with Vista and I don't feel like going back to XP.
[06:29] <baizon> with xfce you get  a full desktop
[06:29] <baizon> yes, i know what you mean :)
[06:29] <baizon> i like just to install it and go
[06:29] <baizon> not first configure and compile for hours
[06:29] <NJD89> So Xubuntu would probably be the better choice then. I want something lightweight, but not where it takes away from a decent desktop.
[06:31] <Unit193> You could try a live usb/cd of both and see what one you like best, and what works best for you.
[06:31] <NJD89> Exactly. It was fun to tinker with, but I find it to be a waste of time unless you're idea of living life is spending it in a void of trivial commands with compilations and configurations. Haha
[06:31] <baizon> thats a good idea
[06:32] <baizon> test both and then choose :)
[06:32] <NJD89> I've used XFCE fairly often some years back, but I've never heard of LXDE until now. Perhaps I will try the live cd as suggested.
[06:33] <baizon> for me LXDE is too simple
[06:33] <baizon> some desktop features are missing that i use
[06:33] <baizon> like the panel goodies
[06:33] <NJD89> Yeah, the screenshots are looking pretty basic.
[06:34] <NJD89> This laptop may be old, but it's not THAT old. Haha
[06:41] <baizon> :)
[08:38] <xubuntu335> Hi my friend
[08:39] <xubuntu335> Do you speak french, please ?
[09:52] <olbi> where are files .mo?
[09:52] <olbi> i forgot it :P
[09:55] <hobgoblin> all over the place - locate *.mo
[10:42] <SandJ> What is the default email program for Xubuntu 12.04?   (KMail has corrupted a bunch of my emails AGAIN so it has to go.)
[10:45] <Marzata> SandJ: T-bird
[10:45] <Marzata> SandJ: also mail :)
[10:46] <Marzata> SandJ: or mailx :)
[10:47] <SandJ> Neither mail nor mailx are installed.  I meant GUI email programs.  I assume T-bird is Thunderbird, yes?
[10:47] <SandJ> There is no mailx in the Ubuntu Software Centre.
[12:38] <gabx666> Hello. I dual boot my box Arch/Xubuntu. I am doing a fresh install of Xubuntu 12.04. GRUB2 is already configured on the Arch side, and I do not want install again any bootloader with Xubuntu 12.04. It seems the installer won't let me not installing a bootloader
[12:53] <cousteau> double-clicking a desktop folder uses Thunar even though I've set Nautilus as the default file viewer
[12:53] <ochosi> cousteau: you probably would have to let nautilus manage the desktop
[12:54] <cousteau> ochosi, but Thunar doesn't do anything with the desktop, right?  the desktop is a separate thing that just calls Thunar when opening a directory
[12:55] <cousteau> or at least I thought that in XFCE desktop and file manager were separated
[12:55] <ochosi> yes they are
[12:55] <ochosi> xfdesktop is usually managing the desktop
[12:55] <ochosi> but it's a rather old piece of xfce
[12:55] <ochosi> that's why they wanted to rewrite it
[12:55] <cousteau> so it's xfdesktop the one that opens Thunar
[12:55] <ochosi> possibly it's hardwired to thunar
[12:55] <ochosi> but i dunno, i'm just speculating
[12:55] <ochosi> check git.xfce.org to be sure ;)
[12:56] <cousteau> (don't tell me about hardwiring; I've actually been doing that all this morning)
[12:56] <ochosi> hehe
[13:05] <cousteau> well, this would require to be considered.  I thought thunar was totally optional (which is nice, so that I can use whichever file browser I like)
[13:12]  * cousteau is trying to read the xfdesktop sources to find the thunar dependency
[13:32] <recon69_lap> tring to get a microSD card to work but I cant find how to access it after putting it in the card reader?
[13:37] <cousteau> doesn't it get automatically mounted?
[13:37] <cousteau> or appear in the desktop?
[13:37] <cousteau> or in "Computer", or in /media?
[13:38] <cousteau> if so, maybe you need to modify the grub  (I had this problem in LXDE back in the day; maybe it's the same one)
[13:39] <recon69_lap> cousteau: no, no  indication of anything happening, there is no "Computer" in xubuntu as far as i can find. I'v tried both in the card reader and through a usb device. no sign of it mounting
[13:40] <xubuntu979> how can I make if i've a keyboard usb & mouse...... theirs functions are interrupt
[13:40] <cousteau> recon69_lap, well, in Thunar, Ctrl-L and type /media
[13:41] <xubuntu979> excuse me, i had xubuntu 12.04 on hol perntium 4 ram 536
[13:41] <cousteau> xubuntu979, that doesn't make sense, USB keyboard + mouse should work fine as 2 separate devices
[13:41] <cousteau> (_should_)
[13:44] <xubuntu979> not for me cousteau my xubuntu lost this devices during i work.....i don't know why?
[13:45] <recon69_lap> brb, reboot :)
[13:47] <cousteau> xubuntu979, no idea
[13:47] <cousteau> what does lsusb say?
[13:47] <xubuntu979> hao could i install in xubuntu keyboard + mouse usb stably
[13:48] <xubuntu979> how could i install in xubuntu keyboard + mouse usb stably?
[13:51] <recon69_lap> hmm, guess I'll have to try in a windows machine and see if the SD card is working, getting no indication that it recognizes it ;(
[13:53] <cousteau> recon69_lap, wait, I'll look for the grub thing
[13:55] <cousteau> ok, in /etc/default/grub I had to add "pciehp.pciehp_force=1" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[13:55] <cousteau> so it was changed from   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"   to   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pciehp.pciehp_force=1"
[13:56] <cousteau> then I did   sudo update-grub   and after rebooting, SD cards were plug and play
[13:58] <recon69_lap> cousteau: I'll reboot and see if it works
[14:01] <recon69_lap> cousteau: what was the update command again?
[14:01] <cousteau> sudo update-grub
[14:02] <cousteau> after editing /etc/default/grub
[14:02] <cousteau> (you need permissions to do that)   gksudo leafpad /etc/default/grub
[14:02] <recon69_lap> right, reboot again and see
[14:03] <cousteau> so many reboots can't be good...
[14:07] <recon69_lap> cousteau: no joy, sd card not showing as far as i can see. works in phone. I'll have to try again later, thx for the help
[14:07] <cousteau> ouch...  that was my last (and only) bullet
[14:08] <cousteau> maybe...  what filesystem is it?
[14:08] <cousteau> sudo fdisk -l    # may help
[14:08] <recon69_lap> cousteau: I would assume some sort of FAT, cant remember that far back
[14:09] <recon69_lap> but it's not mounting at all, so probably not the format
[14:10] <recon69_lap> anyway, I'll have to try again later.
[14:10] <recon69_lap> bye
[15:42] <xubuntu884> Hello
[15:43] <xubuntu884> I'm trying Xubuntu through a live usb, and I'm asked to enter the login and the assword. What should I enter ?
[16:06] <reborn> you still there?
[16:09] <xubuntu884> @reborn : who ?
[16:09] <reborn> @xubuntu884, you need help?
[16:13] <xubuntu884> @reborn : yes, I need help.
[16:13] <xubuntu884> @reborn : I'm trying a Xubuntu through la live usb
[16:14] <xubuntu884> @reborn : I get a screen prompting for a login/pwd
[16:14] <xubuntu884> I've tried ubuntu/xubuntu/"nothing"/root/admin bit nothing's working
[16:14] <xubuntu884> any ideas ?
[16:17] <hobgoblin> if you are being asked for the password in the livecd there is something wrong with it
[16:18] <xubuntu884> okay
[16:18] <reborn> he use live usb.
[16:19] <xubuntu884> I'm using a live usb, but I installed Xubuntu on a 1GB memory stick
[16:19] <xubuntu884> maybe it's too small ?
[16:20] <reborn> no, it seem perfect to me, and which you created a usb booting?
[16:22] <xubuntu884> @reborn : what's the question ? I created the live usb with "unetbootin"
[16:22] <hobgoblin> you need to check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded
[16:23] <hobgoblin> you shouldn't be asked a password
[16:23] <reborn> is this your first time to use linux? Just curious.
[16:23] <SandJ> Odd.  Two days ago someone else asked about the live USB sking for a username and password.  That wasn't you too, was it, xubuntu884?
[16:23] <hobgoblin> xubuntu884: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[16:24] <xubuntu884> @hobgoblin : okay I'm going to check the md5sum
[16:24] <recon69_lap> what with dialogs in xubuntu, I try do a save as in gimp and the dialog is unusable because it does not fit on screen!!!!
[16:25] <xubuntu884> @reborn : I'm running Ubuntu since a while now, why ? :)
[16:25] <hobgoblin> I would - if that's ok then reboot and check the integrity from the menu - but I can't see that being a problem
[16:25] <hobgoblin> recon69_lap: click +alt
[16:25] <xubuntu884> @SandJ : That wasn't me
[16:26] <reborn> well, unetbooting is not my favorite, so i prefer startup disk creator
[16:26] <hobgoblin> recon69_lap: left click +alt then you can grab and move it so you can maximise or whatever you need
[16:27] <recon69_lap> hobgoblin: thx, that will work :)
[16:28] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:35] <xubuntu884> I checked the integrity of my Xubuntu iso, it is OK
[16:37] <xubuntu884> I'm now checking the integrity from the menu
[16:37] <xubuntu884> "error found in 1 file !"
[16:38] <xubuntu884> I'm going to re do the live usb with startup disk creator
[16:54] <xubuntu884> I've created another Xubuntu live usb with another usb stick, another iso, and another software...
[16:55] <xubuntu884> ... now it works : no login/pwd ! :)
[16:55] <xubuntu884> thx
[16:56] <reborn> good
[16:59] <xubuntu884> :)
[16:59] <xubuntu884> bye
[16:59] <hobgoblin> cool
[17:39] <jonne> i installed the ubuntu indicator plugin and put it in my panel, but it shows (part of) the global menu too
[17:39] <jonne> is there a way i can turn it off?
[17:40] <GridCube> ?
[17:40] <GridCube> explain
[17:40] <baizon> jonne: remove the appmenu pkg
[17:40] <hobgoblin> jonne: do you still have a whole bunch of different environments installed
[17:41] <malv> how many developers work on Xubuntu
[17:41] <jonne> tnx baizon
[17:41] <jonne> i overlooked that, apparently
[17:41] <malv> It doesn't seem like there is that many because this major usability bug is still not resolved.
[17:41] <Unit193> Purge the package you installed, then sudo apt-get autoremove; sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends $ubuntuindicatorplugin-packagename-here
[17:41] <baizon> malv: which one?
[17:42] <malv> the gtk3 move bug
[17:42] <baizon> malv: did you wrote a bug report?
[17:42] <malv> all gtk3 apps jump around the screen when you click on them
[17:42] <malv> yea
[17:42] <jonne> i had uninstalled everything related to appmenu, but then installed indicater-plugin using this guide
[17:42] <jonne> http://xflinux.blogspot.be/2011/01/get-ubuntu-like-indicator-applets-and.html
[17:42] <malv> it has activity on it but its been sitting there for weeks
[17:43] <baizon> malv: i dont have that bug? can you record a video please and post it?
[17:43] <recon69_lap> can't find my wallet :(
[17:43] <baizon> jonne: dont install it, its broken
[17:43] <baizon> jonne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-appmenu-plugin/+bug/922615
[17:44] <malv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1001936
[17:44] <baizon> that needs to be fixed
[17:44] <jonne> second line ccontained an appmenu package, and i overlooked that
[17:44] <malv> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2IDxFKBFA youtube video of the bug
[17:44] <malv> window jumps to the bottom right of the screen
[17:44] <jonne> baizon, it seems to work for me :/
[17:44] <malv> makes using gtk3 apps very aggrivating
[17:44] <baizon> no it wont work right
[17:45] <hobgoblin> malv: oh - I got that - wondered what it was - though I did not have it prior to installing xfce 4.10
[17:45] <jonne> the order of the icons is wrong, but it works
[17:45] <malv> be sure to say the bug affects you
[17:45] <malv> it occurs on every system ive seen
[17:45] <baizon> hmm, i never had such a bug
[17:45] <jonne> sound menu and everything
[17:45] <hobgoblin> well I didn't have it with vanilla xubuntu - only once I installed the 4.10
[17:45] <baizon> jonne: yes, but it wont work right
[17:45] <malv> try reading more pdfs with evince
[17:46] <malv> you'll notice it when the document you are reading flies across the screen
[17:46] <baizon> hmm i will try that out
[17:47] <malv> basically it seems non-deterministic as far as I can tell
[17:47] <baizon> but imo its a xfce bug, not xubuntu
[17:47] <malv> cant really figure out exactly what triggers it
[17:47] <baizon> malv: have you tried xfce 4.10?
[17:47] <malv> you just have to click around a while
[17:47] <malv> no
[17:47] <baizon> because im using xfce 4.10
[17:47] <malv> are you using 4.10
[17:47] <malv> ok, so it might have been fixed there
[17:47] <malv> post that on launchpad
[17:47] <hobgoblin> baizon: I get it with 4.10 - I didn't before
[17:48] <hobgoblin> or didn't notice it
[17:48] <baizon> hmm
[17:48] <malv> i get it on all machines with a stock xubuntu 12.04 install
[17:48] <malv> tried with amd, nvidia, dual screen, single screen
[17:48] <baizon> sec, testing
[17:49] <malv> havent tried intel
[17:49] <jonne> i think that bug's invalid, as it clearly works on 2 systems I use
[17:49] <malv> you need to click around and do focus switching between windows
[17:50] <malv> eventually it gets triggered after a while with gtk3 apps
[17:50] <hobgoblin> malv: +1 to that last comment
[17:50] <SandJ> malv - I just watched that video - I thought it was me clicking poorly.  I've been getting that on 12.04; don't remember it occurring before I upgraded.
[17:50] <hobgoblin> I've not noticed anything every time the same
[17:51] <SandJ> I use my PC all day and probably get that app-grabbing about once a day.
[17:51] <malv> i get it a lot because I do a lot of PDF switching
[17:51] <hobgoblin> malv thinking about it - I get it most with tbird
[17:52] <malv> tbird isnt gtk3
[17:52] <malv> never seen it with thunderbird
[17:53] <malv> only gtk3 for me. gedit, software center, evince, ect...
[17:56] <baizon> ok back
[17:56] <baizon> tested it for 2 min
[17:56] <baizon> didnt had that bug even once
[17:59] <reborn> hey you guys, where i can find the global menu in command?
[18:00] <baizon> reborn: i dont undestrand your question, sorry :(
[18:00] <reborn> you know global menu like mac?
[18:00] <baizon> yes sir
[18:01] <baizon> reborn: http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/OMG+!+XFCE+Global+Menu+%5BPPA+Ready%5D?content=146102
[18:01] <baizon> something like this?
[18:02] <reborn> weird, yesterday, i did went there, and installed, but like a caution to not install.
[18:03] <baizon> reborn: yes, dont install it
[18:03] <reborn> why is that?
[18:03] <baizon> reborn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-appmenu-plugin/+bug/922615
[18:03] <reborn> oh
[18:03] <baizon> yes
[19:06] <Ritchie> hello
[19:06] <knome> hullo
[19:06] <SDX> Hello.
[19:07] <SDX> If I enter "TEMP=$(acpi -t|cut -b 16-17)"°C" && echo $TEMP" into a terminal, I get the temperature of my CPU, but if I try to use it with Genmon I get "TEMP=$(acpi: No such file or directory".
[19:08] <SDX> Does Genmon have a different way of handling &&?
[19:08] <knome> TEMP=`(acpi ..)` ?
[19:09] <xubuntu475pain> hi people. i am facing an unusual issue here, even since 6 years of linux usage, running xubuntu on Acer one 722 netbook, suddenly, freezes, resart, grub says, nothing to loade, placed the xubuntu usb, stuck in the middle, turned off, in few hours got the xubuntu running but no mouse, no usb mouse, and no sound in the pannel, any ideas?
[19:11] <SDX> "TEMP= ..." assigns the output of the next command to the TEMP variable.
[19:11] <SDX> "$(acpi -t|cut -b 16-17)" is the command set to TEMP.
[19:12] <SDX> "'°C'" is the bit I want to append to the output of "acpi -t ..."
[19:12] <SDX> "&& echo $TEMP" prints whatever is stored in TEMP.
[19:12] <SDX> It works perfectly on the terminal, just not in Genmon.
[19:13] <SDX> xubuntu475pain: Is your keyboard a USB keyboard?
[19:14] <astraljava> SDX: How do you enter that to genmon? What's the config file?
[19:14] <Unit193> SDX: Workaround, add it to a file and set the env as bash, then run that file.
[19:15] <SDX> astraljava: I opened Genmon's properties window and entered it there.
[19:15] <astraljava> SDX: I was going to suggest what Unit193 just did.
[19:15] <Unit193> Also, is it using SH?
[19:15] <SDX> Unit193: That's currently what I'm doing.  It works, but I'd rather have it all in Genmon's configuration.
[19:16] <Unit193> bash -c 'TEMP=$(acpi -t|cut -b 16-17)"°C" && echo $TEMP'  ? :P
[19:16] <SDX> No, I didn't preface it with sh.  That's probably the problem.
[19:16] <SDX> Thank you.
[19:17] <Unit193> sh won't handle it, bash will
[19:18] <Unit193> ...I think: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/137/5c4.jpg
[19:18] <SDX> "bash: TEMP=$(acpi: No such file or directory"
[19:18] <SDX> Huh.
[19:19] <SDX> Well, it works with a script, even if Genmon is no longer neatly contained in its own configuration files.
[19:20] <Unit193> You forgot -c
[19:21] <SDX> "bash -c TEMP=$(acpi -t|cut -b 16-17)"°C" && echo $TEMP"?
[19:22] <SDX> It's given me a lengthy error that doesn't fit in my panel.
[19:24] <Unit193> Alright, well bash file works. :P
[19:35] <astraljava> Well, it WorksForMe™
[20:17] <churl> Help:  After recent updates, I am unable to login to any window manager or the recovery console.  Screen flashes to bootup text, then black, then back to the login screen.  Guest session works fine
[22:22] <Leafy> Hi, I'm having some problems installing a Xubuntu 12.04 64 bit on an EeePc, am I in the right place ?
[22:25] <Leafy> In fact the main problem is a crash at the end of the install, while doing the "grub install dummy"
[22:27] <Unit193> Ubiquity crashing isn't ever really a good thing, did the desktop work? You could just use the !alternate installer.
[22:27] <Leafy> Anyone here ?
[22:30] <Leafy> Can't take a screenshot as it crash but took a picture : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/20120620001201.jpg/
[22:47] <GridCube> Leafy, as Unit193 said, you could try the alternate installer
[22:48] <GridCube> or get into the live cd and use boot-repair, get it from here https://launchpad.net/boot-repair
[22:48] <GridCube> and try to see if it can install grub
[22:48] <Leafy> Thx, I'll try that
[22:49] <Leafy> Remind me : using the alternate I have to chose the package I want ?
[22:50] <Unit193> Not really.
[22:50] <GridCube> not really
[22:50] <Leafy> Ok, so, what does alternate stand for ?
[22:51] <GridCube> it doesnt load graphical desktop
[22:51] <GridCube> its just text
[22:51] <GridCube> but its the same installation
[22:52] <Leafy> ok, so I can try to install it, and if it works i'll just have to load it after
[22:52] <GridCube> Leafy, try the boot-repair option first
[22:53] <GridCube> its faster, and if it works you dont have to download a new iso :P
[22:55] <Leafy> Gonna try that
[22:57] <Leafy> I was told the problem can be resolved by using acpi=off option
[23:07] <martinphone> are dns something I can change?
[23:07] <martinphone> or just content providers such as web pages?
[23:07] <knome> you're able to change the dns servers you're using.
[23:10] <martinphone> is opendns a joke or does it work?
[23:10] <knome> no idea
[23:16] <Leafy> Thanks for the help, gonna make some cofee and try that :)
[23:19] <xubuntu877> Hello
[23:19] <Unit193> martinphone: Can you explain a bit more?
[23:20] <Unit193> !resolvconf
[23:21] <xubuntu877> yes, I tried to install xubuntu but at the end the installation it just freezes and doesnt do anything
[23:21] <xubuntu877> so im forced to push the power button
[23:22] <xubuntu877> and when I turn it on again it the computer wont move past the the load up screen
[23:45] <martinphone> Unit193, i wont be using opendns, just asked for it due to BT's ban of tpb