[00:21] <gnomefreak> any chance we can add facts for 12.10 in bot for +1
[04:54] <KingFIsher> why was I banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:36] <Corey> chu: Yeah, he's... special.
[05:36] <chu> Oh, I see :)
[05:38] <KingFisher> who
[05:39] <Corey> WFPKHC
[05:39] <Corey> That's the nick, not an acronym.  I think.
[05:39] <KingFisher> Corey, can I get unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:40] <Corey> KingFisher: Hmm.  I don't have access to the bantracker, so... I don't know. :-)
[05:41] <KingFisher> Corey, then how will I resolve my ban
[05:41] <KingFisher> I have been banned for weeks
[05:41] <KingFisher> all I did
[05:41] <KingFisher> was be myself
[06:00] <elky> KingFisher, lets see what the bantracker says...
[06:01] <elky> "talking in caps to try to cause a problem, trolled #freenode earlier, made it clear in PM the rules, any more issues just ban" "First typing in all caps all the time, muted, unmuted, proceeded to type in txtspk, warned, restarted typing in caps"
[06:03] <KingFisher> that sounds like me
[06:03] <elky> I don't care if you define yourself by usage of capslock and refusing to heed directions. That self is not adding value to channels when it is doing so.
[06:03] <KingFisher> elky, I understand but that was a long time ago
[06:04] <KingFisher> I am sorry we had disagreements due to cultural differences
[06:05] <KingFisher> May I be unbanned
[06:07] <elky> I'm not convinced you'll behave differently.
[06:07] <KingFisher> why not
[06:08] <KingFisher> what would it take for me to prove it
[06:09] <elky> I don't believe you've changed because you've agreed that the description in the ban notes "sound like you" and your reasoning for why you should be let back in is only the portion of time that has passed. You've not said anything about how you intend to behave.
[06:11] <elky> If freenode staff who have experience in dealing with you, since you've trolled #freenode, were to say you behave completely differently and have so for a while, perhaps then I might consider it.
[06:12] <KingFisher> elky, I was not expecting this ban appeal process to be as in depth. Very well.
[06:12] <KingFisher> I will have you know I intend to act with consideration for the others in the channel and to be polite, cordial, and not stir up trouble.
[06:12] <elky> Yeah "I was banned for being myself. Yes, I behave like that. Please let me in." isn't even remotely convincing as an argument.
[06:12] <KingFisher> It is not my intention to be a trouble maker, and if you give me a chance to go back you will see that.
[06:13] <KingFisher> elky, I am sorry if my  original statement was not eloquent enough
[06:13] <KingFisher> I was not expecting to have my arguments rated for how much they appealed to you.
[06:14] <elky> If you're not a troublemaker, then you wouldn't be recorded in our ban tracking system as having been troublemaking in three channels.
[06:14] <KingFisher> which channels besides #ubuntu-ops and #freenode
[06:14] <elky> #ubuntu-women
[06:14] <KingFisher> I never said I was not a trouble maker in the past. What I am saying is I do not intend to be a trouble maker and I will not be a trouble maker going on into the future.
[06:16] <elky> You'd be surprised how many people say that without being genuine.
[06:16] <KingFisher> All i am asking for is a chance to demonstrate that I have changed and that I do not intend to pursue the smae behaviour.
[06:16] <KingFisher> Of course elky. and that is why I am asking for a chance to prove myself beyond mere words.
[06:17] <elky> You're not banned everywhere. I see not evidence of a ban in #ubuntu so you're free to join there and provide technical support to users.
[06:18] <KingFisher> For how much longer will you keep me banned then
[06:19] <elky> Until I've seen you both active and capable of refraining from behaving like a 12year old on AOL chat.
[06:19] <elky> !guidelines
[06:20] <elky> You will want to familiarise yourself with that document.
[06:20] <KingFisher> so you want me to provide free tech support for Cannonical
[06:20] <KingFisher> in return for the privilege of using your irc channel
[06:20] <KingFisher> wow
[06:20] <elky> Yep, sounds about right.
[06:20] <KingFisher> You disgust me.
[06:20] <elky> Thank you.
[06:21] <KingFisher> so i get it
[06:21] <KingFisher> I was unfairly banned as a form of blackmail
[06:21] <KingFisher> for free labour
[06:21] <KingFisher> I'm going to e-mail Richard Stallman
[06:21] <KingFisher> and tell him about this
[06:21] <elky> Nope, you were justly banned. You now want us to trust you on your untrustworthy word.
[06:21] <KingFisher> you'll have RMS to deal with now
[06:21] <elky> Say hi from me.
[06:21] <KingFisher> he doesn't fuck around
[06:21] <KingFisher> he's got my back
[06:22] <KingFisher> You won't like RMS when he's angry
[06:22] <elky> Your language is not helping your case.
[06:22] <KingFisher> Why not? I am outraged at you exploiting me for free labour
[06:22] <KingFisher> seems warranted
[06:22] <KingFisher> in light of the current siutation
[06:23] <elky> Also, threatening to get someone to harass someone who you wish to grant you a privilege is usually not very effective. It certainly isn't effective on anyone here.
[06:24] <elky> You have a plentitude of other #ubuntu channels in which you can participate constructively if you don't want to help people unbreak their computers.
[06:24] <elky> You asked for a suggestion. I made one.
[06:25] <elky> I've given you several options.
[06:26] <KingFisher> elky, I am not threatening to harass anyone
[06:26] <KingFisher> I am just saying Richard Stallman is a personal friend
[06:26] <KingFisher> and he has connections at Cannonical  and he can make stuff happen.
[06:27] <elky> I look forward to it.
[06:27] <KingFisher> lol
[06:28] <KingFisher> The Ubuntu channels here are owned by Cannonical right
[06:29] <elky> No. They're owned by freenode and managed by delegates appointed by the Ubuntu Community Council.
[06:30] <elky> Canonical grants the trademark use.
[06:31] <KingFisher> ok
[06:31] <KingFisher> Richard stallman is gonna give those guys a call
[06:31] <KingFisher> and pull some strings
[06:31] <KingFisher> im gonna be running this channel soon
[06:31] <KingFisher> things are gonna change around here
[06:32] <elky> If things are going to change, you might want to add "Kingfisher's attitude" to that list. Because your attitude clearly hasn't changed enough.
[06:35] <KingFisher> Okay sorry about the attitude
[06:36] <KingFisher> elky, what does the bantracker say about me in #ubuntu-women
[06:36] <KingFisher> I don't remember ever using that channel
[06:36] <KingFisher> as i am not a woman
[06:36] <elky> You joined three times to mock and harass the women in there for the existence of the channel.
[06:37] <KingFisher> Doesn't sound like me
[06:38] <elky> You should change your passwords then. You were identified to services.
[06:39] <KingFisher> Nah I have always used the same password since I started using the web- qwerty1987- and I am not gonna change now
[06:39] <chu> Uhh, you might want to change it now ...
[06:40] <KingFisher> why
[06:41] <elky> Then don't. Either way this discussion has finished. Since there is a no idling policy in this channel, goodbye.
[06:41] <KingFisher> lots of people here seem to be idling
[06:41] <elky> They're supposed to. They're ops.
[06:42] <KingFisher> cool. im an op too
[06:45] <Tm_T> charming
[13:53] <ikonia> hello helphelphelp
[13:53] <helphelphelp> lol :D
[13:54] <helphelphelp> hi there
[13:54] <helphelphelp> i was kicked from linux server
[13:54] <ikonia> helphelphelp: I removed you from ubuntu as your attitude and language are unacceptable against the rules of the hcannel
[13:54] <ikonia> channel
[13:54] <helphelphelp> ah
[13:54] <helphelphelp> is this thing a bot ?
[13:54] <ikonia> and you appear to have continued
[13:54] <ikonia> I believe someone spoke to you earlier about saying "fuck"
[13:55] <helphelphelp> wtf, u just sayn the f word !
[13:55] <ikonia> helphelphelp: are you aware of the rules of using the ubuntu channel ?
[13:55] <helphelphelp> sure
[13:55] <helphelphelp> no f word
[13:55] <helphelphelp> did i use it ?
[13:55] <ikonia> it's not "just the f word"
[13:55] <ikonia> it's bad language, offensive content, not being respectful and polite to others etc
[13:55] <ikonia> !guidelines | helphelphelp
[13:56] <helphelphelp> ... The f word could kill you know... What you mean by "Just the f word", dont you ever mention it here)
[13:56] <ikonia> helphelphelp: I'd suggest having a read of those before trying to rejoin #ubuntu
[13:56] <helphelphelp> ok, expet the f world, could you tell me were i was disrespectufll ?
[13:56] <ikonia> just the general approach
[13:56] <ikonia> just be polite, calm, etc, ask a clear question, help others to help you
[13:57] <ikonia> but I suggest if you read the guidlines link ubottu just gave you should get an idea of how to behave and what is expected of you
[13:57] <helphelphelp> okay. You seem happy to correct me. Why not, i know a lot of ppl just like you. But can you tell me, PLEASE, where i offended you and our unix friends ?
[13:58] <helphelphelp> let me chek
[13:58] <ikonia> your language offened
[13:59] <ikonia> please read the guidelines and you'll get an idea of what's expected of you if you want to use the channel
[13:59] <helphelphelp> ... but you just told me wasnt only the "F" word ?
[13:59] <helphelphelp> yeah i know the EULA thks
[13:59] <helphelphelp> ooow maybe Thks for thanks is "not conform" ?
[13:59] <ikonia> perfect, well, you're welcome to rejoin the #ubuntu channel and leave this channel if your comfortable following the rules
[13:59] <helphelphelp> could you allow me to use thks for thanks ?
[14:00] <ikonia> I'm sorry I don't understand what you've just said
[14:00] <helphelphelp> nooo you dont understaind. Im asking you, what was disrespectfull toward the comunity despite the "f" word
[14:00] <LjL> helphelphelp: we'd prefer if you used intelligible english. not everyone is a native speaker, and in any case there's no reason why people reading should take the effort to decipher abbreviations
[14:00] <ikonia> however if you're happy to follow the rules ubottu just sent you, you are welcome to return to #ubuntu and leave this channel
[14:00] <helphelphelp> yeah as you just mentioned, everybody arent english speaker.
[14:00] <helphelphelp> would you like to try to speak french ?
[14:00] <ikonia> no
[14:01] <helphelphelp> nah i dont think so.
[14:01] <LjL> helphelphelp: in #ubuntu-fr, i would.
[14:01] <ikonia> helphelphelp: you've had the rules explained to you,
[14:01] <helphelphelp> i was just asking if in your free world, i could use "thks" for thanks
[14:01] <ikonia> helphelphelp: if you are comfortable with the rules you are welcome to rejoin #ubuntu
[14:01] <ikonia> helphelphelp: please use the word "thanks" for thanks
[14:01] <helphelphelp> THEN , why i was kicked, if it wasnt for the F word. Sorry for my bad english ;)
[14:01] <ikonia> helphelphelp: your English is fine
[14:01] <ikonia> helphelphelp: if you are comfortable with the rules you are welcome to rejoin #ubuntu
[14:02] <LjL> helphelphelp: the "F word" was certainly a big part of it.
[14:02] <helphelphelp> thanks for your honesty LjL
[14:02] <helphelphelp> i was started wondering if ikonia was a bot oO
[14:02] <helphelphelp> no more fuck i swear !
[14:03] <helphelphelp> are you serious ?
[14:03] <ikonia> yes
[14:03] <helphelphelp> do you want me to bring you the log where YOU were using this =FORBIDEN= word ?
[14:03] <ikonia> last time - if you are happy with the rules, you are welcome to rejoin #ubuntu and leave this channel
[14:03] <ikonia> if you just want to mess around / waste time here, then find another channel
[14:04] <helphelphelp> okay
[14:04] <helphelphelp> i surrender.
[14:04] <helphelphelp> maybe you should think about join police ;-)
[14:04] <helphelphelp> have a nice day -last salutation
[14:05] <helphelphelp> lol
[14:05] <ikonia> helphelphelp: I suggest you /part this hcannel and /join #ubuntu
[14:06] <helphelphelp> this is your point of view. I've mine. May i ?
[14:06]  * AlanBell shakes head in disbelief
[14:06] <helphelphelp> why.
[14:06] <helphelphelp> what push you to do that.
[14:06] <ikonia> helphelphelp: we are done here
[14:06] <LjL> helphelphelp: please leave this channel and (if you want) rejoin #ubuntu
[14:06] <ikonia> helphelphelp: you are welcome to rejoin #ubuntu, but we are done here
[14:07] <helphelphelp> so why did u just kick me out?
[14:07] <helphelphelp> if we are done ?
[14:07] <ikonia> helphelphelp: I told you we are done - leave, and you continued
[14:50] <mneptok> HdCeCdT!
[14:51] <mneptok> (that's a .qc "LOLWTF" since we're doing acronyms and French)
[16:39] <oCean> Suggesting PPA's  :(
[16:39] <oCean>  induz> E: Broken packages  Mandalord> induz: uhm change your server by Synaptic to main server then try it again
[19:32] <cufaf> hi all
[19:33] <cufaf> i have a problem.
[21:26] <h00k> Myrtti: Not sure which the other is
[21:26] <Myrtti> he had it in #ubuntu
[21:27] <h00k> Myrtti: gotcha.
[22:05] <jagginess> Hey. I didnt mean to offend.. But i was being attacked via pm from this guy..
[22:05] <ikonia> I told you to stop 3 times
[22:05] <ikonia> you said you would stop
[22:05] <ikonia> you did not stop
[22:05] <jagginess> I stopped.
[22:06] <ikonia> and you'd agreed to stop
[22:06] <ikonia> you then added more lines to channel after I'd asked you to stop
[22:06] <jagginess> I said I wasnt try to be a jerk. And that I like to answer people who ask and speak nicely in the first place.
[22:06] <jagginess> Read please..
[22:06] <ikonia> I did read
[22:06] <ikonia> I asked and then told you to stop
[22:06] <ikonia> no more comment was required
[22:06] <jagginess> I did stop.
[22:06] <jagginess> ?
[22:06] <ikonia> you added more comments
[22:07] <jagginess> I stopped answering him.. He was being rude to me.. I even said i stopped.
[22:07] <ikonia> there was no need for more comments the matter was closed
[22:07] <ikonia> yes, and then added more public comments to the cahnnel
[22:07] <ikonia> channel
[22:07] <jagginess> A comment about what?
[22:07] <jagginess> A comment about what?
[22:07] <ikonia> the situation
[22:07] <jagginess> "I said I wasnt try to be a jerk." That was my last comment.
[22:07] <jagginess> Why do i get kicked for that?
[22:07] <ikonia> "I'm not being a jerk blah blah blah" - it was done, yuou had said you would stop
[22:07] <jagginess> Yes.
[22:07] <ikonia> you had a sly dig a the guy for calling canonical cannon
[22:07] <ikonia> there was no need for it
[22:07] <jagginess> And I apologized for it.. Because i didnt want to offend anybody.
[22:08] <jagginess> I didnt intend to.
[22:08] <jagginess> That's why I said i wasnt trying to be a jerk.
[22:08] <jagginess> ok?
[22:08] <jagginess> Ok. So there was no need for it. I'm sorry. Ok?
[22:08] <jagginess> ok?
[22:09] <jagginess> Yes. Someone came on and was asking about "Cannon".. I said we are volunteers who aren't paid..
[22:09] <ikonia> sorry, I had bad lag
[22:09] <jagginess> So i apologized for this mistake..
[22:09] <jagginess> ?
[22:09] <ikonia> nicely..
[22:09] <ikonia> oops
[22:09] <jagginess> So can i come on tomorrow?
[22:10] <ikonia> jagginess: look the bottom line is you made a sly dig at hte guy after you'd been told to stop
[22:10] <jagginess> Yes. it was a mistake...
[22:10] <ikonia> you're not banned you're free to rejoin
[22:10] <jagginess> And I apologized..
[22:10] <ikonia> any more though and you'll get banned
[22:10] <jagginess> ok.
[22:10] <jagginess> ?
[22:10] <ikonia> you did not apologise
[22:10] <ikonia> you had a sly dig at hime
[22:10] <ikonia> him
[22:10] <ikonia> damn lag, sorry
[22:10] <jagginess> No.
[22:10] <jagginess> I was getting some pm..
[22:10] <jagginess> but nways..
[22:10] <ikonia> I don't care if you are getting pm's
[22:10] <ikonia> you made a coment int ghe public channel
[22:10] <ikonia> it was uncalled for and sly
[22:11] <jagginess> Yes..
[22:11] <jagginess> true..
[22:11] <jagginess> (and say i'm sorry too)
[22:11] <jagginess> I dont intend to cause any problems.
[22:11] <jagginess> Sorry for this.
[22:11] <jagginess> ok..
[22:14] <ikonia> damn, sorry, my connection dropped
[22:16] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I assume that you can see the scrollback, but if not you didn't miss anything important that you neededto respond to (IMHO).
[22:17] <ikonia> saw it when I reconnected
[22:17] <ikonia> thank you
[22:17] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[22:53] <ikonia> someone needs to watch #ubuntu I'm walking away, it's just too stupid the advice being given and I'll lose my temper if anyone else offers any more random advice
[22:54] <bkerensa> ikonia: don't we have some support guidelines somewhere?
[22:55] <ikonia> bkerensa: yeah, but if someone thinks they are right in their advice despite it being crazy you can't help that
[22:55] <bkerensa> true
[22:55] <ikonia> and I can't be bothered to prove every single point
[22:55] <bkerensa> although if you perhaps PM them and show their error with a valid source and then they continue would that not be trolling?
[22:55] <bkerensa> true ^
[22:56] <ikonia> they are not trolling
[22:56] <ikonia> they are two good hearted people
[22:56] <ikonia> they just do not have a basic understanding of the technologies causing the issue for the other user
[22:56] <elky> bkerensa, as a matter of logistics, if we did that, we'd spend more time doing that than giving support.
[22:57] <ikonia> right, I'm out, the stupidiy continues and I'm not going to argue that ICMP has nothign to do with DNS any more.
[22:57] <ikonia> please watch ubuntu as the advice is poor at the moment
[22:58] <Myrtti> sadly I can't launch a kitten distraction like I would in -ot
[22:58] <bkerensa> shiny things
[23:02] <Myrtti> I can't even follow the discussion in there right now
[23:35] <Myrtti> gn
[23:36] <chu> Night