[00:00] grr, my cursor keeps disappearing in gedit [00:00] annoying :( [00:00] http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/06/19/1347212/apple-patents-polluting-facebook-google-profiles [00:00] i actually came up with this idea earlier today! [00:01] xD [00:05] ali1234: what you doing on slashdot? all the cool kids are on reddit :P [00:05] er, no [00:05] that's precisely why i don't go on it [00:05] :D [00:05] it's full of kids who think they are cool [00:06] so today's rejected idea for the ubuntu app showdown was an app that fills zeitgeist with fake data [00:06] because if you leave it on it tracsk everything you do, but if you turn it off it looks like you're hiding something [00:07] so the only workable solution is to generate fake innocuous data... but it seems apple already patented that idea [00:08] here's an idea for you: why hasn't anyone ever made a tablet with the touchscreen on the back? [00:08] lol [00:08] that way you can use it without your hand covering most of the display [00:09] possibly the issue of not seeing what you are touching [00:09] that's irrelevant [00:09] when you use a mouse do you look at your hand? no [00:09] you don't even look directly at the mouse point [00:09] you look where you are clicking [00:10] when you point at something in real life, do you look at your hand? no, you don't [00:10] in fact with a normal tablet you can't see what you are touching, because your hand is in the way. this is the problem that my idea solves :) [00:12] ok maybe it's a bad idea [00:13] hehe === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial [07:02] morning all [07:16] Morningall [07:16] * diplo smashes his space bar :( [07:37] * AlanBell is on a boat [07:37] diplo: Itwasbrokenbefore,noneedtobreakeverybodyelsesviatheinternet [07:37] AlanBell: why ? [07:38] London Eye to Canary Wharf [07:38] oh nice :) [07:38] AlanBell: btw, i meant to show you something the other week [07:39] put it away quick, here comes the nurse [07:39] i follow @LinuxFreelancer on twitter, and there was a tweet about someone needing help w/ openerp [07:39] oh cool [07:39] yeah, meant to mention it, but it slipped my mind :( [07:39] brb [07:45] DJones: It's been broken since new, I was to lazy to get it fixed :( [07:45] AlanBell: there was an impressive turnout of 19 people last night! [07:46] nice [07:49] yeah! [07:53] Morning [08:00] christel: What for? [08:00] daubers: the secret party you weren't invited to! [08:01] * mattt has no idea either [08:01] daubers: the surrey/hants hackerspace meeting [08:01] popey: you'll be pleased to know that we changed every other meeting to be on thursdays and that we volunteered you for the Looking at Venues team! ;) [08:03] Looking at Venus! [08:05] uhhhhhh [08:05] ok! [08:09] christel: One day I'll get down to one of those, see if there's anything at Reading we can do to help [08:14] awesome, we had a few people from the reading one turn up [08:27] daubers: there's one in reading ? got details ? [08:30] mattt: http://www.readinghackspace.org.uk [08:32] morn o/ [08:32] mattt: and #reading-hackspace :) [08:32] though it tends to be a bit quiet [08:33] Why do some ISOs only burn on CD-R or DVD-R [08:33] why isn't it universial? [08:34] Guest40145: You can only fit 700mb iso or less on CD-R === Sprmttoo is now known as SuperMatt [08:36] yeah but why do some vendors only recommend -R and not +R === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:37] Good morning all! :) [08:41] From memory, weren't -R and +R differing technologies by different manufacturers so they were all promoting their own version [08:42] Guest40145: That's more to do iwth the dyes and drives than iso images [08:45] -R and +R applies to DVD, not CD [08:45] also -RAM [08:48] Good mornings peeps :) [08:53] morning peeps [08:53] and peepesss [08:54] how goes things? [08:54] popey: isitoutyet? [08:56] Grr, stupid Nat West, broken online banking systems isn't a good thing [08:59] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035387.html [09:01] that doesn't appear to be wildly informative [09:01] good morning everyone, [09:06] what's the this-century version of dpkg --get-selections? [09:07] BigRedS: that :) [09:08] Oh, good :) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:28] bye bye always connected irssi [09:33] sadface [09:33] What are we to do without a popey in here? [09:34] wait until he comes back? [09:34] * bigcalm bites his nails [09:34] make snide remarks about him behind his back obviously [09:34] What if he doesn't come back!? [09:34] bigcalm: we can all 'hangout' on g+ [09:34] I'll pester him on Google+ until he does? [09:35] can we hang out behind the bike sheds on g+? only the cool kids allowed [09:35] :P [09:35] Not me then [09:43] why no popey :( [09:43] * czajkowski peers at gord [09:43] whatcha do [09:47] One assumes that he needs to reboot a server [09:47] Or he's had enough [09:48] He may have deleted the internet. [09:48] We have only moments left [09:49] I'm spending the last minutes of the internet watching leweb :( [09:50] we can all stay safe in the knowledge that given that we still exist, we are not all just figments of popeys imagination [09:50] Deep [09:51] Too Deep for this early in the morning [09:51] Need more coffee [09:51] :) [09:53] * dwatkins is trying tea without milk for a change [09:53] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/ looks like we need a few more chaps to balance things out a bit [09:53] I felt like saying to the kettle 'tea, earl grey, hot' [09:54] Where abouts are you Alan ish ? [09:54] AlanBell: if I were to come, so would Hayley. We would cancel each other out [09:55] There, I'm tentative [09:55] AlanBell: could I sleep in your garden again? [09:55] yes, no problem [09:56] Coool! [09:56] ta! [09:57] As if twitter wasn't enough for people to say that they're just getting up, now another copy/clone http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18518162 [09:57] don't the chickens mind? [09:58] DJones: "only available in the us" [09:58] So far [09:58] I like this comment in the article " "This is an idea that I've had since Christmas. I've been a passionate user of social media since the days of AOL chatrooms, and that was the inspiration really."" [09:59] Inspired by AOL chatrooms :) [09:59] "Discussion on Menshn has initially been restricted to the US election but Ms Mensch says it will expand to reflect users' interests." [09:59] Awesome, a chinnese social network. [09:59] new social networks always survive, i'm sure we will be hearing more from this particular one [09:59] morning all [09:59] I can imagine, "You are not allowed to post about Ubuntu, we want you to talk about apple today" [10:00] Next thing you know, it'll be confirmed it will only work as long as you use Netscape [10:00] Netscape > * [10:00] ie IE6 [10:00] *or [10:01] wonder if it is based on status.net [10:01] Anyone know what RH/CentOS used for udisks equivalent before implementing in Cent6 ? [10:03] You can register for it if you use megaproxy to get around the Non-US eligibility [10:03] * diplo guesses it was HAL [10:04] Maybe not, its disabled by the proxy then [10:04] DJones: what if you're in Canada? [10:04] http://menshn.com/nopage it is running apache [10:04] X-Powered-By: PleskLin [10:04] ew [10:07] You can log in with facebook if you so desire [10:09] Give a politicians website access to your facebook account, its one way of getting your personal info for the security services & tracking [10:09] * DJones gets out a foil hat [10:10] Haha [10:10] I love the idea of a politician working that bit out [10:14] Conversation in the office is about parents spying on their kids at school, they can check what they've had for dinner via the schools website, parents have to put credit on an account, the kid has to sign for whatever they'd picked using a fingerprint reader [10:15] Good idea imp [10:15] imo* [10:16] Look forward to it at my kids school [10:17] Seems a bit too much like big brother [10:18] I can understand why they do it though [10:18] doesn't that add extra expense? surely be money better spent on better food [10:18] Well for me, I used to give my kids money to get lunch [10:18] I found out he was having 3 portions of different chocolate [10:18] No thanks to the school [10:19] depends how the parents handle it [10:19] Now he has a fruit starter, some sort of sandwich type main and a fruit/yoghurt for pudding [10:19] I used to go to my Grandad's for my dinner and had things like fried lambs heart, black pudding, liver etc :) [10:19] judging by stories I hear of internet barring, frequently badly [10:20] AlanBell: what was the PHP profiler you used on vtiger? [10:20] how much are school meals now? [10:20] I couldn't believe they let them have chocolate for all three courses [10:20] bigcalm: xhprof [10:20] Was looking myself earlier :) [10:20] Easy to use? [10:20] Seems so, not used yet but AlanBell put a link up last night of what it generated [10:21] 22:37 < AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/callgraphs/ comedy callgraphs [10:21] Was that it, can't remember now [10:21] £2 for a school meal? :| [10:22] Yep :) [10:22] same problem as when I was at school then [10:22] He rarely has one from me, normally packed lunch [10:22] Think his mum does it quite often though [10:22] cheaper to run out of grounds and go to bakery ;) [10:22] Depends if i was organised or not [10:23] :) [10:24] bigcalm: xhprof [10:24] Ta :) [10:24] AlanBell: easy to use? [10:24] non trivial to install [10:24] or I am incompetent [10:24] Hehe, aww [10:24] Oh my, popey came back! [10:24] * hamitron steps in line [10:25] bigcalm: yup ☺ [10:26] anyone seen the Gooseberry (competition for Raspberry Pi) [10:27] Seems like a smartphone without the screen [10:27] dogmatic69: After reading up about it, the guy is selling the board which comes in the cheap tablets [10:27] and is basically selling it with a psu [10:27] so yes [10:27] it's a phone without a screen :) [10:28] diplo: ah [10:28] Good on him tbh, I could have done with thinking that up [10:28] :D [10:28] My intertubes are so slow recently. What are VM up to? [10:28] the shape of the board is a give-away [10:29] it has all those funny cut outs and one rounded corner [10:30] bigcalm: Why I left a couple of years ago :/ [10:30] Along with having a friends and family deal with sky [10:30] :) [10:31] diplo: it's ok mostly, just recently a bit iffy [10:31] 6 days till 75mb/s line \o/ [10:31] Might not be VM [10:31] * bigcalm shrugs [10:31] is mostly okay really good enough these days? [10:31] My main issue was with downloading anything torrent related [10:32] if i downloaded a torrent I would get good speeds but i couldn't do _anything_ else [10:32] Traffic shaping :) [10:32] And afterwards I had to reboot the modem every time [10:32] Heh, that sucks [10:32] And sounds iffy [10:32] Downside was that it wasn't for pirated material [10:32] :( [10:32] You can limit the download speed of torrents [10:32] yeah it was, wasn't speeds... it was just using torrents that caused it [10:33] does it help tunnelling the torrent traffic? [10:34] never tried, not been with them the last 2 years [10:34] moved to sky, only get 6mb max but it's sooooo much more stable :/ [10:34] tbh, stability I consider a lot more important [10:35] I was tempted to sign up to bt infinity [10:35] but read bad things, so stayed on slow dsl [10:35] you can get a reseller for infinity that is.. well, not BT [10:36] Still waiting for the PECL site to load [10:36] yeh, but didn't really see anything I liked [10:36] I refuse to pay more than £30 per month [10:36] i'm looking at zen right now, no traffic shaping, just a so many gb limit [10:37] I just signed a 12 month contract with demon internet, they gave me a nice discount [10:37] :) [10:38] then will re-assess after the year [10:38] doesn't seem like you can get anything good for less than £30 a month with an infinity reseller. you'll get 20gb limit on zen [10:38] exactly [10:38] :( [10:39] 100gb for £35 though [10:39] there are some good packages if you sign a deal for calls on your phone line when I looked [10:39] but we are still locked into a contract with bt for that [10:39] so after the year...... ;) [10:40] I fancy giving plusnet a go [10:40] unless demon offer bt infinity resale [10:40] If you're with Sky, you can get Sky Fibre Unlimited for £20 [10:41] do they offer a static ip yet? [10:41] do they still require a tv contract too? [10:41] gord: Yes [10:41] meeeh [10:41] hamitron: Don't know about fibre, normal isn't static [10:41] atm I got a block of 8 :) [10:43] hamitron: plusnet only do static IP on the big package [10:43] yeh, plusnet do everything I want [10:43] There he goes again! [10:44] Somebody get him a new carrier pigeon [10:44] and Yorkshire broadband is good broadband [10:44] ;) [10:45] I'd need a new usb stick to use pigeon :/ [10:45] * bigcalm gets out the crazy glue [10:49] bigcalm: On virgin here and pecl seems fine here so a regional issue i guess [10:49] diplo: aye [10:49] ooh DJones I didn't know that sky were offering that [10:49] * diplo wonders whether I try that [10:50] diplo: currently trying to load my.virginmedia.com to check their status [10:50] * bigcalm twiddles his thumbs [10:50] bigcalm: you want to glue yourself to crazy?? [10:50] lol, well that's not loading very quickly here bigcalm :D [10:50] diplo: I'm waiting fore fibre to announced in my area [10:50] It has been here \o/ [10:50] davmor2: I keep losing my crazy, so that might help [10:50] Wonder if sky will make me sign another 12 months though [10:50] ? [10:51] Probably [10:51] I've loaded but i need to login bigcalm and don't know the details sorry [10:51] meh, may cancel total package [10:51] see if that works [10:51] https://my.virginmedia.com/faults/service-status [10:51] if i don't have it, i can't watch it [10:51] That doesn't need a login [10:53] heh, can't see any details for a VM at this address [10:53] bigcalm: it only does you know :P [10:54] * davmor2 thinks virgin poached bigcalm s crazy [10:55] :O [10:56] phew! [10:56] Is faun the firewall? [10:57] guess so [10:59] davmor2: Herrrro [11:00] hohum [11:00] yet another day [11:01] czajkowski: Prodington Prod morning [11:03] Would somebody please stop drinking my tea! [11:05] bigcalm: I blame virgin they seem to be getting the blame for everything else today ;) [11:06] Heh [11:06] So it's true that the internet is a series of tubes [11:08] bigcalm: we just need someone to implement boip now [11:09] davmor2: No` [11:10] bigcalm: why no beer over ip? how about coip and toip then :D [11:10] Daviey: you silly man :P [11:11] davmor2: do you not know No`? [11:12] bigcalm: was the Daviey comment for me [11:12] davmor2: yes, but he's a silly man as well ;) [11:12] czajkowski: http://twitter.com/myrtti/status/215401537130872833 :-P [11:13] Myrtti: oh nice [11:13] there does seem to be a lot of interest in that role [11:13] Myrtti: harass aquarius [11:13] :) [11:13] Myrtti: fingers crossed :) [11:13] aka bbuy him beer [11:13] Heh [11:13] Buy him late night pizza [11:14] or chargers for travel [11:14] A passport locating device [11:14] pack of smokes and earplugs for pubnights [11:14] :D [11:14] so Mr. Brightside doesn't infiltrate his eardrums === soreau_ is now known as soreau [11:15] ah yes [11:15] * gord looks around his office for elves [11:15] and also if you could provide a DJ with decent music that may also help [11:16] gord: have you noticed your ears and the fancy bow and arrow you have? [11:16] * Myrtti cuddles everyone ♥ [11:17] but i don't wanna be an elf :( [11:17] thats a lie, i totally do [11:18] Myrtti: Yay, good luck! [11:18] Hmph. I see I am being caricatured again [11:18] aquarius: but we love you anyway ♥ [11:18] aquarius: do you deny any of these traits? [11:19] the whole is, I sincerely hope, more than the sum of the parts [11:19] also, I know precisely where my passport is. :) [11:19] * DJones is a DJ (maybe the wrong sort) but the music choice would probably be annoying [11:19] Slowly everybody in this channel gets swallowed by Canonical [11:20] aquarius: see you do now, but I do look froward to the tweet where you go looking for it again when needed [11:20] bigcalm: you this isn't canonical-uk darn it [11:20] czajkowski, ah, the passport I'm careful with, since if I lose it getting another one is a nightmare. Adaptors, less so. [11:20] Myrtti, can you say which role you applied for? By PM is fine if you prefer :) [11:21] aquarius: the support one :-) [11:21] aquarius: btw did you decide where to spend the windfall? [11:21] ah, gotcha. The role's not under me, but I know who *is* the hiring manager. :) [11:22] windfall: no. I need a bunch of new clothes, though, so that might be it. No Boxster for me :( [11:24] Did you have a particular one in sight or just a Boxster? [11:26] doesn't it require a fair amount of buying clothes, to spend the money what a boxster costs? [11:27] how about clothes, plus a new pc for directhex? [11:27] * hamitron is not greedy, and would be just as happy with only a new pc [11:27] ooh yes! someone should hire Myrtti [11:31] I wonder if popey is making up for all the times that he hasn't quit IRC [11:32] so it would seem! [11:32] /mode +b popey!*@*$##fix_your_connection_or_use_irssi_damnit [11:33] shut your noise [11:33] ♥ [11:33] :p [11:33] aw. You're ruining my fun. I'm having a good day for a change [11:34] can't seem to get xchat to join all the channels I need [11:35] Channel connection limit? [11:35] popey: I can :D [11:35] You're connected here, what more do you need? [11:35] bah, I'll go elsewhere for help [11:35] :( [11:36] Though you seem to be missing from a MC channel [11:36] Aww [11:36] popey: I have 36 channels open on 2 networks currently [11:36] that's just greedy [11:37] 4 networks and 34 channels [11:37] s/on/over [11:37] more than enough [11:37] but some do refuse to autojoin which is kinda poo [11:37] Maybe they expect you to be registered with nickserv before allowing you to join [11:37] davmor2 not helping [11:37] it's invite only channels I'm having issues with [11:38] but have found /timer so will use that [11:38] popey: I was about to suggest a race situation might fix it [11:38] popey: ah likewise I have to have identified before I can join so it never autojoins, if and when you figure this bit out let me know [11:38] bigcalm: No, a race situation is the problem. [11:38] popey: it was more that it can handle that amount of channels so you knew what I had open as an example [11:38] czajkowski: irssi right? [11:39] jpds: yarp [11:39] czajkowski: Under chatnets, you need a autosendcmd = "wait 200"; [11:40] * popey tries again [11:40] ahh [11:40] wait 2000 might be better, wait 2 seconds before joining. [11:40] nods [11:41] it's suually I just need to identify with chanserv [11:41] to log into council channels [11:41] popey: boo welcome back [11:41] found out how to do it, timer not long enough it seems [11:42] in theory if you are using SASL to identify, you're identified before you join any channels no matter what connection settings you've got [11:42] popey: did you see jpds suggestion of 2000 [11:42] if I've understood things right [11:42] http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=4286 [11:42] is what i am doing [11:46] I do believe that it's lunch time \o/ [11:46] Sorry coming late to the convo, I had the same issue popey [11:46] Wasn't authing soon enough, that was the windows version of xchat [11:47] popey: any interesting reason for the xchattieness or just wanted a change? [11:47] use irssi now though :/ [11:47] lunctime! [11:47] popey: I thought you were a irrssi man why the move to xchat? [11:48] lunchtime for me too. Wonder if I can get away early and go bother people in bluefin today [11:58] daubers: Our local B&Q used to [11:58] not got one local ? [11:58] diplo: 3 week lead time [11:59] that sucks [11:59] Don't know anyone with a van, or roof rack [11:59] ? [11:59] annoyingly if you buy paint from the B&Q website you can get it delivered in a few days [11:59] diplo: Know a man with a van... but borrowed it not so long ago for plasterboard... [12:00] Luckily my sister has horses, so my delivery of stuff like that is sorted [12:00] last job i could use a van/lorry when ever i wanted [12:00] So horse box is good fall back [12:00] Tried places like Wickes ? [12:01] £25 if you're within 5 miles of the store (more than the cost of the panel) [12:02] Seems best bet is to buy man with a van some beer and ask nicely again :) [12:02] Yeah... or buy a trailor and do the trailor test [12:05] Buy a cheap roof rack ? [12:05] :D my first ever SSD has shipped :D [12:06] daubers: what are you looking for? [12:08] directhex: which capacity did you order, I'm curious - I was looking for the sweet-spot in pricing a while ago [12:08] dwatkins, 240G for £132 [12:09] so i'll give 60G to ubuntu and 180 to windows, with /home and c:\users on a different drive [12:09] I bought a hybrid disk as it was about the same price but 750 GB [12:09] Myrtti: Need to get 2 fence panels, strugglign to find somewhere that will deliver [12:09] (in a reasonable time frame) [12:10] daubers: wickes [12:11] davmor2: I'm more than 5 miles from the store, so the delivery is extortionate! [12:11] "Delivery Cost - £42.00." [12:12] I could rent a van for less than that! [12:12] daubers: try garden centers or local builder merchants [12:13] :-/ we just get a fencing guy to do it :-/ [12:17]