[06:35] <bmg505> good morning
[06:37] <Kilos> morning superfly SmilyBorg sflr 
[06:38] <SmilyBorg> Hey there :-)
[06:38] <Kilos> and everyone else
[06:39] <Kilos> sounds like an old song
[06:40] <Kilos> hey there, you with the smile on your face
[06:40] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[06:59] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday highvoltage 
[07:01] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:01] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[07:01] <SmilyBorg> Hi inetpro
[07:01] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: hiho
[07:02] <maiatoday> I'm not going to say hello again, incase someone asks me to buy a car. Ah ok I'll be brave, hello everyone
[07:02] <inetpro> Kilos: you mande me think of the Beatles's "Hey Jude", or what was that title?
[07:03] <inetpro> maiatoday: you looking for a new car? :-)
[07:03] <Kilos> lol inetpro am try to remeber more
[07:03] <inetpro> s/mande/made/
[07:04] <Kilos> next line was you with the loving embrace
[07:08] <sflr> morning everyone! beautiful sunny day =)
[07:09] <Kilos> yeah sflr 
[07:09] <Kilos> max 21°c here today. penguin weather
[07:10] <sflr> its cold, but at least its sunny. hehe
[07:10] <sflr> apparently its going to rain for a week from tomorrow
[07:11] <Kilos> eish its always raining there by you guys on very seldom here
[07:12] <sflr> rain is ok, but the wind my friend! eish!
[07:13] <Kilos> we get it at times over the snow in lesotho thats eish
[07:18] <Kilos> yo psydroid 
[07:23] <Kilos> xchat fixed sflr ?
[07:24] <sflr> Kilos, yeah its working, bec i'm at home :) its only not working at the office. but that's cool, i can use the webchat
[07:24] <Kilos> inetpro, gaan jy nog met die ponie werk toe?
[07:24] <Kilos> the fly said you can just change the ports
[07:25] <Kilos> there is also weechat maiatoday s favourite
[07:31] <sflr> If I get fed up with this one day will install another one. for now its all gut
[07:37] <Kilos> nee man xchat rocks
[07:40] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[07:42] <plustwo> morning everyone ... o/
[07:42] <Kilos> hi plustwo 
[07:43] <plustwo> :) oom Kilos
[07:45] <plustwo> i'm tired of using odin; has/is anybody making use heimdal here?
[07:54] <sakhi> Mornings
[07:54] <SmilyBorg> plustwo: for rooting android phones?
[07:54] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[07:55] <plustwo> hi sakhi
[07:55] <plustwo> SmilyBorg: yes
[07:55] <SmilyBorg> I used heimdal when I rooted my Samsung Galaxy S2
[07:56] <SmilyBorg> went fairly smoothly
[07:56] <plustwo> SmilyBorg: currently i'm using odin on M$ and my primary OS is ubuntu.
[07:56] <SmilyBorg> think I just had to run it as root or via sudo 
[07:56] <SmilyBorg> oki
[07:57] <SmilyBorg> I never looked at odin
[07:57] <plustwo> ok, so heimdal is in the repositories? not the SDK from android?
[07:57] <SmilyBorg> I just followed the instructions on the CyanogenMod wiki and a little trial and error
[07:58] <SmilyBorg> um.. I think it was a seperate package that I downloaded and installed. I think the heimdal that is in the repositories does something else all together
[07:58] <plustwo> well i rooted p1000 early edition on odin cause most of the howto's are based on odin :(
[07:59] <SmilyBorg> oki
[07:59] <SmilyBorg> the thought of using windows to root a device scares me. Don't want to brick my phone because windows crashes
[08:00] <SmilyBorg> but that's just me
[08:00] <plustwo> now i have s5300, which i rooted using a "universal_gb_root" zip file
[08:01] <charl> morning all
[08:01] <Kilos> hi there charl 
[08:01] <SmilyBorg> oki. not sure I saw that before
[08:01] <SmilyBorg> hi charl
[08:02] <plustwo> well, i have an "unbrickxxxx" file for the p1000 of which i used when i bricked my tablet... it works very fine. problem is; it runs on odin
[08:02] <plustwo> hi charl
[08:02] <charl> hi Kilos, SmilyBorg, plustwo
[08:04] <plustwo> most youtube vids also shows odine most of the time. i just want 2 or 3 heimdal pointer's or howto's where i can start using heimdal. will google more on heimdal vids or howto's
[08:04] <plustwo> SmilyBorg: thanks for sharing :)
[08:05] <SmilyBorg> plustwo: I just followed the stuff at http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_II:_Full_Update_Guide but I'm sure they have a similar doc for most devices
[08:06] <SmilyBorg> they link to the heimdall packeges for ubuntu in there too
[08:11] <plustwo> thing is; s5300 is still new in the market. there's no HC or ICS ROM for as well.
[08:11] <plustwo> it's such a small device
[08:12] <plustwo> thanks for the link SmilyBorg, will look into it now
[08:12] <SmilyBorg> no prob :-)
[08:19] <Kilos> yo NeVeR_ 
[08:21] <NeVeR_> yo yo
[08:31] <sflr> sjoe, its 10.30, time to go to work :D
[08:31] <Kilos> lol
[08:34] <sflr> yeah Kilos, there is a bachelor party at work today! 
[08:34] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[08:35] <Kilos> another one bites the dust
[08:35] <Kilos> dum dum dum dum
[08:35] <sflr> something like that :P lol
[08:36] <sflr> bye
[08:53] <superfly> morning everyone
[08:54] <plustwo> hi superfly
[08:58] <Kilos> yo the fly
[09:27] <Kilos> hi queery 
[09:27] <queery> hi oom Kilos
[09:38] <Kilos> wb sflr 
[09:39] <sflr> hey Kilos 
[09:41] <sflr> just noticed ubuntu doesnt lock screen when I suspend the machine. it must be in some settings to change that.
[09:42] <sflr> but the scrollbar is quirky. funny behavior on long lists.
[09:42] <Kilos> system / screensaver
[09:42] <Kilos> there is a lock screen block to tick
[09:43] <Kilos> im scared suspend and hibernate. often had to pull plug to get going again
[09:43] <Kilos> just use blank screen screensaver
[09:44] <sflr> its all set Kilos, its not a problem when the screensaver comes on. when waking from there the log in screen appears.
[09:45] <sflr> but if I go and manually suspend the machine. in that case the screen is not locked when I wake the machine
[09:45] <Kilos> if you dont want the login screen untick
[09:45] <Kilos> um
[09:45] <sflr> I do want the login screen in both cases. but for now only the screensaver lock works.
[09:46] <Kilos> untick ativate screensaver when pc is idol
[09:46] <Kilos> activate
[09:48] <Kilos> or in system power management
[09:48] <Kilos> remember something about turning screen off
[09:48] <Kilos> i made mine never
[09:51] <sflr> it seems like its a feature and can't be turned on or off. bummer.
[09:51] <Kilos> i think that lock screen block makes it ask for password
[09:53] <sflr> yes. i want it to ask me for password :)
[09:53] <Kilos> then thats the one you tick
[09:53] <sflr> which it does if I lock the screen or screensaver comes up
[09:53] <Kilos> and in power management make drive run down and screen thing both never
[09:54] <sflr> however if I put the machine in Suspend mode, after resume it doesnt ask for password
[09:54] <Kilos> i never use suspend or hibernate
[09:55] <sflr> ok. I need to use it all the time on the laptop while travelling
[09:55] <Kilos> maybe one of the experts will hop on now now and tell you what to use
[09:55] <Kilos> oh ya those battery driven thingies
[09:56] <sflr> yeah. battery thingies. lol
[09:56] <Kilos> what does closing the lid do? make it suspend?
[10:03] <sflr> no, I put it not to suspend. I only want to suspend manually from the menu.
[10:03] <Kilos> ah
[10:03] <Kilos> ek sukkel with them lappys
[10:07] <inetpro> sflr: what version of Ubuntu?
[10:08]  * inetpro didn't have the problem with Oneiric
[10:08] <inetpro> at least I can't remember having it while I also preferred to suspend manually in stead of automatically when the lid is closed
[10:08] <inetpro> still prefer
[10:09] <inetpro> Kubuntu 12.04 works just fine for me as well
[10:10] <inetpro> Kilos: ja ek ry steeds met die ysterperd, elke dag
[10:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:15] <Kilos> brave man , biking in winter
[10:22] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not that bad at all, much better than waiting in traffic and wasting prescious time
[10:23] <inetpro> only those three odd days or so every now and then are a bit tough, but with a proper jacket and all it's ok
[10:24] <inetpro> sflr: do you perhaps have autologin enabled?
[10:25] <inetpro> sflr: you may want to look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1921621
[10:41] <Kilos> yo kaw
[10:41] <Kilos> grr
[10:41] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA 
[10:43] <HawkiesZA> Hi Kilos
[10:47] <sflr> inetpro: no autologin. read the forum post, but the guys get distracted with the encryption. hehe
[10:47] <sflr> i use buntu 12.04
[10:48] <sflr> U
[10:48] <inetpro> Kubuntu 12.04
[10:49] <Kilos> sflr, you will learn. often when one says we have such and such a problem
[10:49] <Kilos> the fly and/or pro will say the dont have that prob because they use kubuntu
[10:49] <inetpro> Kilos: eh
[10:50] <inetpro> Kilos: at least we try to help whenever possible :-)
[10:51] <Kilos> yeah you two are great to have around
[10:51] <sflr> hehe. not enough reason for me to change to kubuntu yet
[10:51] <Kilos> inetpro, ++ superfly ++
[10:51] <inetpro> and sometimes we just serve as a rubber duck
[10:51] <Kilos> to bounce ideas of off?
[10:51] <Kilos> off of
[10:52] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, ala http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
[10:52] <Kilos> lol
[10:55] <Kilos> ha ha ha does that help
[10:55] <Kilos> mind you musta been like that explaining to me in the beginning
[11:01] <HawkiesZA> Now I have a term for what that is
[11:02] <HawkiesZA> Does it count if you just sit there and mumble to yourself?
[11:02] <sflr> as long as it comiles HawkiesZA. lol
[11:26] <Kilos> dunno if you have seen this sflr http://www.ubuntu-news.net/2012/06/03/simplify-your-life-with-the-unity-orientation-guide-fully-revised/
[11:26] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[11:43] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[11:51] <sflr> thanks Kilos
[11:55] <sflr> link to the guide not working. hehe
[11:57] <Kilos> aw
[11:57] <Kilos> dunno if this one is the same
[11:57] <Kilos> http://catlingmindswipe.blogspot.com/2012/06/simplify-your-life-unity-orientation.html
[11:59] <Kilos> sflr, its actually a downloadable book of 3 megs
[12:00] <sflr> mccarthy launches new website with sql injection vuln. come people, who hires these kind of devs?
[12:00] <sflr> Kilos: they point to the same location: http://ubuntuone.com/1JdumBrwyvEN2tMMDAxKQL 
[12:01] <Kilos> sec i ask maaz again
[12:02] <Kilos> can mail it to you
[12:03] <sflr> I find it on the internet. too much for your data bundle :)
[12:03] <Kilos> ty sir
[12:04] <Kilos> im not sure who gave us the link, maybe neil
[12:05] <Kilos> inetpro, do you member ?
[12:06] <sflr> found it on another website
[12:06] <Kilos> great
[12:06] <Kilos> sorry mine didnt work
[12:11] <sflr> its cool Kilos, same document :)
[12:12] <sflr> So far I only miss Excel, Picasa and Snipping Tool from windows
[12:12] <Kilos> yay
[12:13] <Kilos> hasnt ubuntu got equivalents
[12:13] <Kilos> Maaz, google ubuntu equivalent for excel
[12:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Linux software equivalent to Windows software - LQWiki" http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software :: "Linux.ie :: Alternatives to Windows Software" http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php :: "language agnostic - Code Golf: Numeric equivalent of an Excel ..." http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2634427/code-golf-numeric-equivalent-of-an-excel-column-name :: "Excel | Open Source Alternative
[12:14] <Kilos> picasa is photos hey
[12:15] <Kilos> Maaz, google ubntu equivalent for snipping tool
[12:15] <Maaz> Kilos: "Shutter: A snipping tool for Ubuntu « Remember's Blog" http://lembra.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/shutter-a-snipping-tool-for-ubuntu/ :: "screen - .NET Equivalent of Snipping Tool - Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3123776/net-equivalent-of-snipping-tool :: ".net - How does Snag.IT/snipping tool create captures of a window ..." http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4024081/how-does-snag-it-snipping-tool-create-captures-o
[12:17] <sflr> yeah, there is LibreOffice Calc for Excel, but only supports basic stuff. Picasa is photo editing and uploading. Snipping Tool is screen capture 
[12:17] <sflr> + annotation
[12:17] <Kilos> use gimp for photo editing
[12:17] <Kilos> or shotwell
[12:18] <sflr> I do, but its different :)
[12:18] <Kilos> lol
[12:18] <Kilos> i only miss game playing on windows between crashes and virii
[12:19] <sflr> what games do you play Kilos?
[12:20] <Kilos> red alert 1 and AOE2 
[12:20] <Kilos> # needs a better graphics card
[12:20] <Kilos> 3
[12:22] <Kilos> did play, now freecell and mahjongg
[12:28] <highvoltage> heya Kilos 
[12:28] <Kilos> yo highvoltage 
[12:28] <Kilos> all well?
[12:29] <highvoltage> yep, and you mr Kilos?
[12:29] <Kilos> yes ty very much
[12:29] <Kilos> lol whats with the mr kilos
[12:29] <Kilos> hehe
[12:29] <Kilos> nice seeing you back with us
[13:13] <sflr> Nvidia responds to Torvalds by citing Linux ARM kernel contributions: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2185764/nvidia-responds-torvalds-citing-linux-arm-kernel-contributions
[13:13] <Kilos> whew
[13:13] <WOLFEYES> yeah whew
[13:13] <WOLFEYES> Ok back to work.
[13:14] <Kilos> hi WOLFEYES
[13:14] <Kilos> lol
[13:15] <sflr> thought we lost you there Kilos 
[13:15] <nuvolari> Maaz: morse -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. . .--. .- - . -. - . -.. .. -. .---- ---.. ....- -----
[13:15] <Maaz> nuvolari: Decodes as MORSECODEPATENTEDIN1840
[13:16] <nuvolari> Maaz: last update by thinkgeek
[13:16] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[13:16] <nuvolari> Maaz: last twitter update by thinkgeek
[13:16] <Maaz> nuvolari: "Today in Geek History: -- --- .-. ... .   -.-. --- -.. .   .--. .- - . -. - . -..   .. -.   .---- ---.. ....- -----" 13 minutes and 49 seconds ago, http://twitter.com/thinkgeek/statuses/215429396218134529
[13:18] <Kilos> i battled to get back sflr. wouldnt connect to irc.freenode.net
[13:19] <Kilos> had konversation and xchat trying
[13:19] <sflr> sjoe, glad you back!
[13:19] <sflr> nuvolari: cracking the code? hehe
[13:20] <Kilos> xchat still battling
[13:20] <Kilos> ty
[13:20] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[13:21] <Kilos> toods from here
[13:26] <sflr> nmap: Fortinet embedded. hmm.. guess I am hitting the corporate firewall. hehe #fail
[13:29] <Kilos> even twitter is struggling
[13:29] <Kilos> must be internet
[13:30] <sflr> vodacom?
[13:30] <Kilos> inetpro, you guys must tell me if you want something tweeted hey
[13:30] <Kilos> yeah vodacom
[13:30] <Kilos> make sure its ubuntu related
[13:30] <Kilos> hehe
[13:31] <sflr> lol @ kilos
[13:31] <Kilos> followewrs wont grow if nothing is ever said
[13:32] <Kilos> followers too
[13:32] <sflr> it will. patience :)
[13:33]  * sflr looks at the clock: meeting time!
[13:33] <Kilos> enjoy
[13:33] <Kilos> hope you get coffee
[13:37] <Kilos> wb charl 
[13:57] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[13:57] <inetpro> Kilos: do you have something in mind?
[14:02] <Kilos> hmm
[14:04] <Kilos> something like the link to the unity guide
[14:07] <sflr> Kilos: I think we need to wait until the official link is working again
[14:08] <Kilos> ok will do
[14:08] <Kilos> i found where i got it originally in mail
[14:08] <sflr> I wouldnt really click on a link which takes me to frenchfortunecookie subdomain to read ubuntu guide. hehe
[14:09] <sflr> inetpro: somebody mentioned Ubuntu dev podcasts or hangout meetings. we could tweet that
[14:11] <Kilos> when its working again you can give it too me again please sflr . just saw i dleted it with other junk from fb
[14:12] <Kilos> grrr
[14:15] <Kilos> bbasap
[14:15] <sflr> but what we could do is to upload the guide to ubuntupza.org, then send out that link. brings traffic to the site
[14:21] <Kilos> made a dof move. told an open office document to open fullscreen and couldnt see panels or where to close the document. hit ctrl+alf+t and terminal opened but everytime i closed the terminal the office doc took whole screen again
[14:22] <Banlam> F11 ?
[14:22] <inetpro> ESC
[14:22] <inetpro> ?
[14:22] <Kilos> aw ty guys
[14:22] <Kilos> wont ever open full screen again thought
[14:22] <Kilos> rebooted while terminal was open
[14:23] <inetpro> in fact the correct key combination is Ctrl+Shift+J
[14:24] <inetpro> at least for LibreOffice
[14:24] <inetpro> but ESC should work as well
[14:24] <Kilos> ty goosie
[14:24] <Kilos> scared to try again today
[14:24] <Kilos> môre is nog n dag'
[14:24] <inetpro> try it and teach your fingers the right way
[14:25] <inetpro> let the fingers do the...
[14:25] <Kilos> lol
[14:26] <Kilos> yip ctrl+shift+J works kiff ty
[14:27] <Kilos> sjoe legal docs have tons of funny stuffs in
[14:29] <Kilos> F11 and esc also work
[14:29] <Kilos> gracias amigos
[14:29] <Banlam> \o/
[14:29] <Banlam> too many choices!
[14:30] <Kilos> lol remembering is the thing
[14:30] <Kilos> esc is a good one
[14:31] <Kilos> easier than rebooting with terminal and doc open
[14:31] <inetpro> Kilos: you still believe in rebooting after all this time?
[14:31] <inetpro> a reboot never fixes anything!
[14:32] <inetpro> not the way to do it!
[14:34] <Banlam> it lets ou clear your mind while you think about what to do
[14:38] <Kilos> the reboot was a way of killing it only inetpro  dint know how else to close the thing without place to see quit available
[14:38] <Kilos> there are times though if nm is struggling that a reboot sorts it out
[14:41] <Kilos> there are times that it tries to connect and cant then gives up. even moving dongle to another usb port dont help
[14:42] <Kilos> lol @ banlam
[14:53] <charl> hi all
[14:53] <Kilos> hi charl 
[14:53] <charl> thanks Kilos 
[14:53] <charl> sorry i am in and out today
[14:53] <Kilos> np ladd
[14:53] <Kilos> as long as you dont disappear for good its fine
[14:54] <charl> lol
[14:55] <charl> i'll try not to :)
[15:24] <Kilos> yo goar 
[15:24] <goar> Hi Kilos
[15:24] <goar> How r you?
[15:24] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[15:24] <goar> im well, thanks.
[16:13] <sflr> yes
[16:16] <Kilos> yes ?
[16:16] <Kilos> lol
[16:16] <goar> ye boss
[16:16] <goar> lol
[16:17] <Kilos> oh i musta been offwhen the question was asked
[16:21] <RootChaos> 0/
[16:22] <Kilos> yo RootChaos 
[16:22] <RootChaos> hey Kilos
[16:23] <Kilos> very powerful word hey. shout it somewhere and watch the peeps faces
[16:24] <Kilos> some look guilty others enquiring
[16:24] <Kilos> others offended
[16:25] <RootChaos> lol
[16:32] <Kilos> hmm peer got him too
[16:35] <Kilos> yo Mezenir 
[16:36] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[16:36] <Mezenir> wadup
[16:36] <Kilos> not much
[16:40] <inetpro> Kilos: you're a much better bot than the bot
[16:40] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[16:40] <sflr> lol
[16:40] <inetpro> but shh... don't tell Maaz
[16:40] <superfly> Evening folks.
[16:40] <Kilos> i wonder what happened to the monkeys greeting bot
[16:40] <sflr> Kilos please make coffee
[16:40] <sflr> haha
[16:40] <sflr> hi superfly
[16:40] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[16:41] <Kilos> whew
[16:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:41]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[16:41] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[16:41] <sflr> Maaz, beer for all
[16:41] <Maaz> sflr: Sorry...
[16:41] <sflr> f@k lol
[16:41] <goar> :)
[16:41] <inetpro> eh
[16:42]  * sflr gets his coffee mug and stand in the queue
[16:42] <goar> +1 coffee influence
[16:42] <inetpro> sflr: be nice, we have children in the channel
[16:42] <sflr> ops sorry inetpro
[16:42] <inetpro> :-)
[16:42]  * sflr puts on nice hat
[16:42] <Kilos> lol
[16:42]  * inetpro bbl
[16:43] <superfly> sflr: have you seen the Ubuntu Code of Conduct?
[16:43] <sflr> yes superfly. signed it!
[16:43] <superfly> cool. We like to keep the atmosphere here polite and respectful :-)
[16:44] <Mezenir> hey all
[16:44] <sflr> yes, I like that.
[16:44] <superfly> Yo Mezenir
[16:44] <superfly> sflr: awesome.
[16:44] <Mezenir> howsit going superfly ?
[16:44] <sflr> hey Mezenir
[16:45] <Mezenir> hey sflr
[16:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:45] <sflr> I'm not a swearing person anyway. i meant is a  joke for Maaz's response.
[16:45] <Mezenir> lol
[16:45] <sflr> superfly, when can we discuss the site changes? just to bring things up to date
[16:45] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[16:45] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[16:47] <superfly> Mezenir: yeah, OK thanks, just a little tired.
[16:47] <Mezenir> almost weekend :)
[16:48] <superfly> sflr: a little later this evening? I'm just busy getting the food on the go here
[16:49] <sflr> ok superfly, i also have a meeting at 7.30 til 8.30 so will be online around 9pm
[16:49] <superfly> sflr: cool, that'll be fine
[16:49] <sflr> oki
[17:10] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[17:20] <Kilos> hi smile :=)
[17:20] <smile> :D
[17:20] <smile> my exam went well :D
[17:20] <Kilos> sorry i went for supper
[17:20] <Kilos> good thats nice
[17:21] <Kilos> now to start getting ready for the next one hey?
[17:22] <smile> Kilos: the next two ones ;)
[17:22] <smile> but also the last ones :)
[17:22] <smile> ^^
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <Kilos> whew you make me tired
[17:23] <smile> science & electronics :)
[17:23] <smile> lol! :p
[17:23] <Kilos> thats good
[17:23] <smile> I made one new article on Wikipedia today, but it's not so extended atm :)
[17:23] <smile> just a beginning :)
[17:23] <smile> infobox and basic information
[17:24] <Kilos> you too clevr hey
[17:24] <Kilos> clever as well
[17:31] <charl> g'evening
[17:32] <bakuman> ken een van julle "quickly"?
[17:32] <smile> Kilos: aren't you? :)
[17:32] <smile> fast? ;)
[17:32] <charl> bakuman: is that some type of pdf viewer or some other viewer thing ?
[17:32] <bakuman> ubuntu app maker
[17:33] <charl> ah ok no sorry
[17:33] <Kilos> na smile
[17:33] <bakuman> the most gui based programming i have ever seen in ubuntu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sO8hiPreNBg
[17:34] <smile> Kilos: hug :)
[17:34] <smile> ^^
[17:34] <bakuman> basically a programming environment
[17:34] <bakuman> but sounds nice as it handles all the crappy stuff like the gui and packaging
[17:35] <charl> i see some python on there?
[17:35] <bakuman> yea
[17:35] <charl> gui programming is actually a lot more difficult than it sounds
[17:35] <bakuman> i havent used it, just watched the first few minutes of the video
[17:36] <charl> you need to cater for all kinds of different screen sizes
[17:36] <bakuman> i know, that why im happy it handles it, i dont want to program button, lots of hard work :(
[17:36] <charl> and then there's accessibility, localisation, etc but that's important for all software
[17:37] <bakuman> by crappy, i mean the things i dont like, as im not good at visual stuff
[17:37] <bakuman> i remember using Swing for java programming, never again, netbeans all the way
[17:37] <charl> how do you mean?
[17:38] <bakuman> im not good at making stuff look nice
[17:38] <charl> doesn't netbeans also use swing?
[17:38] <charl> swing is just a gui library
[17:38] <charl> netbeans is an ide
[17:38] <bakuman> yea, but you dont have to code it by hand
[17:39] <charl> true netbeans gives you a lot of options for automatically generating code
[17:39] <charl> but if you go and programme for an android device you can define the gui in xml
[17:39] <charl> some people say it's easier and that's probably true
[17:39] <charl> gui code is very long-winded
[17:39] <bakuman> yea unfortunately
[17:39] <charl> but then if you do it by hand at least you can choose the layouts carefully and make the layout flexible
[17:39] <charl> so if the user resizes the window then the contents still look good
[17:40] <bakuman> yea, but quadruples the coding time :(
[17:40] <charl> it's easy if you design an app to work for 1080p display but if you go and take that to a smaller screen you get a problem
[17:40] <bakuman> always a problem yes
[17:40] <charl> it's ok if you design apps for yourself but if you want to go commercial then there's no taking shortcuts if you want to deliver a quality product
[17:41] <charl> but quickly hitting together some simple stuff just for your own use.... there is room for quick and dirty in certain instances
[17:41] <charl> or if you know exactly who will be using your software
[17:41] <bakuman> yea, but i will probly het someone more visually inclined to do the pretty stuff for me :D
[17:41] <bakuman> and rather do the back-end
[17:41] <charl> yeah sure but the whole app doesn't have to look pretty, just follow gui standards and norms
[17:42] <charl> i'm also like that, i absolutely detest spending time on front end issues
[17:42] <charl> i am a back end person myself as well
[17:42] <charl> but i don't always get that luxury of having others do all the front end work for me
[17:42] <bakuman> hmm.. dont know if that came out that well
[17:42] <charl> if i design apps for myself, they are always command line based
[17:43] <bakuman> yea i also enjoy command line more
[17:43] <bakuman> and you cat pipe input into it etc.
[17:43] <bakuman> *can
[17:44] <charl> yup
[17:45] <charl> i am starting to use bash scripting more of late
[17:46] <bakuman> yea is started replacing some python with bash, but python's still just easier
[17:46] <charl> depending on what you want to use it for
[17:46] <charl> right tool for the job and all that
[17:46] <bakuman> true
[17:47] <charl> but i find i can do a lot with bash that i used to do in python
[17:47] <bakuman> getting file lists and renaming works well for me with bash, haven't really done much more
[17:51] <Kilos> confluency, why so quiet lately
[17:51] <Kilos> ?
[17:51]  * Kilos forgets them things ???
[17:51] <confluency> I'm hunting wabbits.
[17:51] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz, define wabbits
[17:51] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about wabbits. Maybe you meant rabbits or wabbit?
[17:52] <Kilos> Maaz, define wabbit
[17:52] <Maaz> Kilos: wabbit /wab'it/, n.  [almost certainly from Elmer Fudd's immortal line ?You wascawwy wabbit!?]  1. A legendary early hack reported on a System/360 at RPI and elsewhere around 1978; this may have descended (if only by inspiration) from a hack called RABBITS reported from 1969 on a Burroughs 5500 at the University of Washington Computer Center. The program would make two copies of itself every time it was run, eventually crashing the s
[17:52] <Kilos> oh you battle to say R
[17:53] <smile> :o
[17:53] <bakuman> :OO
[17:53] <Kilos> or you hunting hacks
[17:55] <superfly> Kilos: most likely a reference to Elmer
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:55] <Kilos> hows supper doing superfly ?
[17:56] <Kilos> you shoulkda asked maaz for some
[17:56] <Kilos> shoulda as well
[17:56] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for supper
[17:56] <Maaz> Kilos: whats for supper is <reply? A nice thick homemade  oxtail and vegetable soup for starters and then Spaghetti bolognaise
[17:57] <Kilos> im sure he did that wrong
[17:57] <superfly> Kilos: baie lekker. Bangers and mash, and LOTS of it. Now I'm burping like kid after drinking a 2L bottle of coke.
[17:57] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:57] <Kilos> methinks maaz is sick
[17:58] <Kilos> he isnt supposed to do the is <reply> bit
[17:58] <Kilos> oh i see
[17:59] <superfly> Kilos: when you type "<reply?" then he does :P
[18:00] <Kilos> ya sigh
[18:00] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for supper
[18:00] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:00] <Maaz> A nice thick homemade  oxtail and vegetable soup for starters and then Spaghetti bolognaise
[18:00] <Kilos> there we go
[18:00] <Kilos> clever bot 
[18:00] <Kilos> blind kilos
[18:01] <superfly> hehehe
[18:01] <Kilos> sigh i gotta fix a P2 that can boot. error message is cant find VxD something or other
[18:02]  * Kilos hates windows
[18:03] <Kilos> no internet connection so no virii but still crash now and again
[18:15] <smile> brb :)
[18:20] <Kilos> wb smile 
[18:21] <smile> thanks, it worked :) (mountpoint changing)
[18:22] <Kilos> well done
[18:22] <Kilos> make sure all exams are in same positive note hey
[18:27] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[18:28] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:31] <smile> bye! :D
[18:31] <smile> Kilos: yes, of course
[18:31] <smile> good night
[18:31] <Kilos> sleep tight smile 
[18:31] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[18:32] <smile> Kilos: jap! :)
[18:32] <smile> (dutch :DD )
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[18:32] <Kilos> yebo gogo
[18:32] <Kilos> yes old person
[18:32] <smile> :p
[18:43] <Kilos> lo drussell 
[18:46] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[18:46] <magespawn> evening all
[18:47] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[18:47] <Kilos> im not all im Kilos
[18:47] <Kilos> haha
[18:48] <magespawn> hah
[18:48] <Kilos> you winning lad?
[18:48] <magespawn> with?
[18:48] <Kilos> with whatever you are doing
[18:49] <magespawn> some yes, but some problems along the way as usual, nothing too bad though.
[18:49] <Kilos> good
[18:50] <Kilos> no rhino poaching hey
[18:50] <magespawn> not today at least.
[18:53] <Kilos> hehe
[18:57] <Symmetria> *SIGH*
[18:57] <Symmetria> linux boxes that run outta ram need to die
[18:57]  * Symmetria cant wait for latest upgrade to mirror.ac.za to arrive :( placed the order yesterday to upgrade it to 128gig of ram
[18:57] <Kilos> whew
[18:58] <magespawn> why are they running out of ram?
[18:58] <Symmetria> magespawn because sourceforge requires awstats processing of the logs 
[18:58] <Symmetria> and heh, awstats processing of logs that are racking up that fast is well, screwed up
[18:59] <Symmetria> that and the fact that there are like, 5 thousand concurrent tcp sessions to that box at any one time 
[19:01] <charl> Symmetria: if i remember correctly you had a nice anycast setup with that mirror service right?
[19:01] <magespawn> that would do it.
[19:01] <Symmetria> charl turned that off before I left tenet, to maintain the number of systems to do tht properly simply got 2 expensive
[19:02] <Symmetria> to much disk space that had to be duplicated etc 
[19:02] <Symmetria> that system is *huge* now
[19:02] <Symmetria> heh, its got 32 cpu cores, about to go from 64gig of ram to 128gig of ram (order placed), and 140 terabytes of raw disk space 
[19:03]  * Symmetria notes that vodacom finally sold gateway
[19:03] <Symmetria> lol wow they took a huge loss on that 
[19:04] <charl> you mean this? http://www.vodacom.com/av_wwd_global.php
[19:04] <highvoltage> Symmetria: you used to talk much bigger than that, you can fit 194GB of RAM in some desktop systems these days and it won't even cost that much :)
[19:04] <Symmetria> yeah they just sold gateway comms
[19:04] <Symmetria> for $27 milion dollars
[19:04] <Symmetria> to PCCW 
[19:05] <Symmetria> heh, which amounts to a $273 million dollar loss since they bought it
[19:05] <Symmetria> highvoltage heh, this is true, my own home machine has 64gigs of ram in it 
[19:05] <charl> lol
[19:05] <charl> happens
[19:05] <highvoltage> :)
[19:05] <Symmetria> charl heh, you know how many nice cars I could buy for $273 million? :p
[19:06] <Symmetria> but seriously, awstats is *NOT* a nice piece of software when it comes to massive log files that are coming thick and fast
[19:06] <Symmetria> it *CHEWS* memory 
[19:07] <Symmetria> and linux running outta memory is NOT pretty :)
[19:07] <inetpro> Symmetria: how often do you generate stats?
[19:08] <Symmetria> inetpro awstats processes live I believe, we implemented whatever it was that sourceforge demanded
[19:08] <Symmetria> :)
[19:09] <inetpro> serious!?
[19:09] <Symmetria> yeah sourceforge has some interesting stuff they wanted 
[19:09] <Symmetria> oh shit
[19:09] <Symmetria> the box also ran outta disk space on one of the partitions
[19:09] <Symmetria> that couldnt have helped
[19:09] <inetpro> Symmetria: ok and how do you handle your logging if I may ask?
[19:10] <Symmetria> hold on, lemme see if I cna move some stuff around to free up some space quick
[19:10] <Kerbero> what is going on with ubuntu.mirror.ac.za?
[19:10] <Symmetria> Kerbero working on that now
[19:11] <Kerbero> o ok
[19:11] <Symmetria> trying to figure out what the hell used up an additional 2 TB of disk space in the last 2 days on that particular array
[19:11] <Kerbero> getting an email from my server every hour that complains about updating :(
[19:11] <Kerbero> but thanx
[19:11] <Symmetria> Kerbero fixing it now, gimme a few minutes
[19:12] <Kerbero> no problem
[19:12] <Kerbero> i'm just glad we still have you around that cares about stuff
[19:13] <charl> Symmetria: yeah i know, i used to do work for vodacom
[19:13] <charl> it's a strange type of thinking you get when you deal with huge figures like that
[19:14] <Symmetria> heh charl I used to deal with figures like that at tenet, and I know that if I ever made a multi-million dollar screwup I'd be a deal man
[19:14] <Symmetria> :p
[19:15]  * superfly wonders if sflr is around yet
[19:16] <Symmetria> Kerbero should be back online in a minute, Im just copying 250gigs to another disk system quick
[19:16] <sflr> superfly, just got here :)
[19:17] <Symmetria> to give us a bit more space, can move something bigger once I've made that space available
[19:18] <Symmetria> hrm Im gonna need to add another 30 tb or so to this box
[19:18] <Kerbero> is mirror.ac actually one machine?
[19:18] <sflr> awstats.hmm. isnt there something better available? :)
[19:18] <Symmetria> Kerbero its one frontend with a ton of disk arrays linked to the back of it
[19:19] <Kerbero> ok
[19:19] <Symmetria> one very big machine :)
[19:19] <superfly> sflr: what did you want to ask about the web site?
[19:19] <Symmetria> I probably need to add another 45 TB array to it 
[19:19] <Symmetria> will phone tenet tomorrow and see if they will agree to that and pay for it :p
[19:19] <sflr> Symmetria, cant the awstats streamed onto a different server and serve the stats from there?
[19:20] <Symmetria> sflr heh, would need another very big machine to process that though and heh, would have to get tenet to pay for it :P
[19:20] <Symmetria> you cant even believe how fast those logs generate 
[19:20] <Symmetria> we're running at peak times at 70-80 hits a second
[19:20] <sflr> Symmetria, ok. I thought the RAM was the problem :)
[19:20] <Symmetria> sflr heh, yeah, but would need a machine with a crapload if even so :)
[19:21] <Symmetria> :P easier to just upgrade the current machine to 128gig of ram
[19:21] <Kerbero> the machine is on 10gbps right?
[19:21] <Symmetria> but we're stil running low on disk space as well, thanks to the morons at biomirror by the looks of things that never clean out their archive
[19:21] <Symmetria> Kerbero yeah
[19:21] <Kerbero> i can use up one of those at a time
[19:21] <Kerbero> maybe two
[19:21] <Symmetria> 10gig fiber nic 
[19:22] <sflr> superfly, some changes to the site. for example fixing the Events, adding tweetroll and facebook box. Then under GetUbuntu add the latest releases.
[19:22] <Symmetria> and unlike a lot of machines on 10gig nics, this thing actually has 10gig of backend internet bandwidth hooked to it ;p
[19:22] <Kerbero> nice
[19:22] <superfly> sflr: ever played with Drupal?
[19:23] <Kerbero> i would find it interesting to iperf that machine again some time
[19:23] <Kerbero> from 3 machines on gigabit here
[19:23] <sflr> yes, I used Drupal before superfly. I can do the changes.
[19:24] <inetpro> Symmetria: that's only like 288,000 hits per hour
[19:24] <sflr> Symmetria, is it only ONE server? I would rather setup up 3 lower specs and load balance it. 128gig RAM not cheepo
[19:24] <superfly> sflr: I can give you admin access on the site, but I don't have the authority to give you access to the physical server. That said, I can load up modules for you.
[19:24] <sflr> superfly, that is fine. I find the right modules then I let you know to upload it. Then I include it on the site.
[19:25] <inetpro> awstats should not suffer from that!?
[19:25] <sflr> where is the site hosted superfly?
[19:25] <Symmetria> inetpro dont ask me, it doesnt love it :p
[19:25] <superfly> sflr: on CLUG's VPS at Frogfoot
[19:26] <sflr> Symmetria, other question is how often people look at the reports?
[19:26] <inetpro> sflr: hence me asking how the logs are handled
[19:26] <sflr> ok superfly, thanks. let me check the modules then first and take it from there.
[19:27] <inetpro> if you break up the logs in smaller chunks then awstats should smile at the generation process
[19:27] <sflr> inetpro, yeah. what's wrong with Google Analytics? :) @ Symmetria
[19:27] <inetpro> sflr: eish, no!
[19:27] <superfly> sflr: I presume you already have an account on the site?
[19:27] <sflr> superfly, i dont. can register one now. give me a sec.
[19:28]  * inetpro not likes google analytics
[19:28] <superfly> sflr: as someone who uses SF.net's stats, I can tell you they don't want to use GA, and they need a specialised stats solution
[19:28] <inetpro> and like many others I blacklist it with my noscript
[19:30] <sflr> superfly, i registered on the site: sflr username
[19:30] <superfly> awesome
[19:30] <inetpro> you can't beat stats that are generated directly from local logs
[19:30] <superfly> sflr: an example of how to use the SourceForge stats: http://openlp.org/stats.html
[19:30] <Symmetria> I hate shifting crap around on these arrays, so much stuff all over the place
[19:30]  * Symmetria does some loopback mounts to make this easier
[19:30] <sflr> I agree regarding the sites, I was referring more to the fact that remote logging will chew Google RAM and not local
[19:31] <charl> nn all
[19:31] <inetpro> charl: good night
[19:32] <sflr> thanks for the link. so the SF stats are generated from awstats log files?
[19:32] <Symmetria> root@mirror:/var/log/nginx# du -h
[19:32] <Symmetria> 21G     .
[19:32] <Symmetria> lol
[19:32] <Symmetria> and thats with everything older than 6 hours gzipped 
[19:33] <Kerbero> wtf!
[19:34] <Symmetria> Kerbero lol, its a busy system :) I just checked, those 70 hits a second  was a way out figure :P 70 
[19:34] <Symmetria> that was 70 hits a second on the ubuntu mirror alone :p
[19:34] <superfly> sflr: that's just the download stats for one of my open source projects, which is gathered once a day from the SF.net stats API
[19:34] <Symmetria> combined, its god knows how many
[19:34] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:34] <sflr> haha Symmetria *scratches head*
[19:35] <inetpro> Symmetria: what web server?
[19:35] <Symmetria> inetpro nginx
[19:35] <inetpro> ahh
[19:35] <Symmetria> (well, a slightly modified version of nginx, but thats the base)
[19:35] <inetpro> obviously with that log folder :-)
[19:35] <Symmetria> apache was *WAY* 2 heavy
[19:36] <superfly> for just serving files, yes, nginx is much better than Apache
[19:36] <sflr> superfly, thanks for the admin on the site!
[19:36] <superfly> sflr: np
[19:37] <Symmetria> heh box will be a lot happier once it has 128gigs of ram though
[19:37] <Symmetria> and ram upgrades are sooo cheap
[19:37] <Symmetria> it cost 12 grand to upgrade that box from 64gig to 128gig 
[19:37] <Symmetria> and thats on high speed server ram, desktop ram is even cheaper
[19:37] <inetpro> does nginx not have a status output like apache2ctl? 
[19:37] <Symmetria> (though going to 256gigs of ram, which we looked at, was a LOT more because then you start dealing with 16gig chips and those things are rather pricey)
[19:38] <inetpro> where it can tell you the amount of req/sec
[19:38] <Symmetria> inetpro nope it doesnt and apache2ctl tends to be horrifically inaccurate in many respects as well :)
[19:38] <inetpro> I guess
[19:38] <inetpro> depending on load
[19:38] <sflr> Symmetria, is this local or international traffic?
[19:39] <Symmetria> sflr mixture 
[19:39] <Symmetria> we dont really split it up to notice 
[19:39] <sflr> ok
[19:39] <Symmetria> *shrug* the bandwidth is there and its all outbound and the machine will die long before the bandwidth saturates
[19:39] <Symmetria> so its not like we care 2 much :)
[19:40] <Symmetria> heh, the current bandwidth available to that machine is:
[19:40] <Kerbero> can i get the machine when it is retired? :P
[19:40] <Symmetria> 10gig on the NIC
[19:40] <Symmetria> 10gig from that machines rack to the router at JINX
[19:40] <Symmetria> 10gig from that machines rack to the router in bloemfontein thats on the ring that will take it to thei nternational router, which has 10gig of international bandwidth
[19:41] <Symmetria> another 20gig to carry it the other way around the ring towards the international router 
[19:41] <sflr> we have our own logging system, because most of our content is server from cache, so requests hardly hit the webservers. these logs are collated and sent to backend services to process. the files roll every 15 minutes. each file around 90GB
[19:41] <Symmetria> so effectively, you could flatline 10gig as a combination of national and international and not feel it on either :p
[19:42] <Symmetria> heh, if I look at the total external connectivity to the network by third parties
[19:42] <Symmetria> its 20gig to NTT, 10gig to LINX, 10gig to JINX, 10gig to CINX, 10gig to AMSIX, 10gig to INIT-7, 2gig to Neotel, 20gig to Internet Solutions 
[19:43] <Symmetria> oh, and 1gig to Telia 
[19:43] <Symmetria> lol
[20:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight when you get to bed
[20:01] <sflr> does anybody know who is this email belong to: djnoeth@gmail.com ?
[20:01] <Kilos> see youall morrow
[20:02] <sflr> bye Kilos!
[20:03] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie7.jpg
[20:03] <sflr> Dewald J. Noeth
[20:03] <Symmetria> ^^^ lol me and my puppy
[20:03] <Kerbero> queery
[20:04] <Symmetria> she's so cute :)
[20:04] <Kerbero> nice safe :P
[20:04] <sflr> cute :) looks freezing there :)
[20:04] <Kerbero> no scrap that, nice mug
[20:04] <Symmetria> lol, its bloody cold :P
[20:05] <Symmetria> hahaha that cup is useful, its big and takes lots of coffee
[20:05] <Symmetria> :p
[20:05] <sflr> thanks Kerbero. will email him.
[20:05] <Kerbero> no prob
[20:06] <Kerbero> lots of coffee is good
[20:06] <Symmetria> heh, that jacket I'm wearing in that photo is so awesomely warm :)
[20:06] <Symmetria> and the leather is so soft its like they beat up some baby seals to make it :p
[20:08] <sflr> what is the dog's name Symmetria?
[20:08] <Symmetria> morocca, heh, name she had when I got her
[20:08] <Symmetria> she was 9 months old when we got her
[20:08] <Symmetria> lol, she's a tad psychotic :p
[20:08] <Kerbero> i almost though you called it doggie :P
[20:08] <sflr> is she wearing an outfit or blanket? lol
[20:09] <sflr> doggie7
[20:09] <Symmetria> lol, its a dog jersey thing I got at the pet store 
[20:09] <Symmetria> cause she was shivering :p
[20:09] <Symmetria> except its 2 big for her
[20:09] <sflr> she will grow into it
[20:09] <Symmetria> gotta go get a smaller one but lol, those things are bloody expensive
[20:09] <Symmetria> lol, she stands and barks at me when I wont pay attention to her
[20:09] <sflr> you must get her a baby seal leather jacket :P
[20:10] <Symmetria> and if I keep ignoring her, she puts her paws on my desk and starts trying to bite my fingers while Im typing
[20:10] <Symmetria> hahaha that jacket cost 500 euros, my dog aint getting that
[20:10] <sflr> females all the same
[20:11] <sflr> what?! wow, must be a good jacket then!
[20:11] <Symmetria> heh, its a really nice jacket
[20:11] <Symmetria> :p
[20:11] <Symmetria> wouldnt normally spend that on a jacket, but lol iceland was cold as hell and the wind was bugging me
[20:13] <Symmetria> I think I only have one piece of clothing worth more than that, and only because a friend of mine had bought it a few years before and NEVER worn it so he gave it to me for like, nothing
[20:13] <Symmetria> :P then I went and found out what it actually cost and almost died 
[20:13] <Symmetria> (15 grand leather trench coat)
[20:15] <Symmetria> god I wish this damn rsync on mirror.ac.za to move this stuff around would hurry up
[20:21] <sflr> yeah, those coats are really expensive! are you wearing it though?
[20:22] <Symmetria> heh the trench coat I wear when i go out to certain pubs and goth / alternative clubs
[20:23] <sflr> just for that you get VIP treatment already. hehe
[20:28] <Symmetria> hehe 
[20:31] <magespawn> educational evening gentlemen, good night all.
[20:43] <inetpro> hmm.... what happened with the time?
[20:43] <Kerbero> well, rsync ate it
[20:44] <inetpro> Kerbero: ahh, nou verstaan ek
[21:04] <sflr> ate who?