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| XDS2010 | http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/eyes/ , Can someone check to see if the unity4 debug option will run this | 03:16 |
| XDS2010 | http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/finally-unity-3d-game-engine-adds-linux.html | 03:16 |
| XDS2010 | I've been using (warning ad on page) http://scale2.s3.amazonaws.com/scale2.swf , but would like to switch to ETS in the library | 03:27 |
| XDS2010 | also note quarks are missing in that graphic | 03:29 |
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| stgraber | ogra_: around? | 13:10 |
| * ogra_ pretends to at least :) | 13:11 | |
| stgraber | hehe | 13:12 |
| ogra_ | what can i do for you ? | 13:12 |
| stgraber | ogra_: not sure if you saw the scrollback. Basically I'll be doing a test build of Edubuntu desktop omap4 today for now using the preinstalled stuff as AFAICS the live images aren't there yet. | 13:12 |
| ogra_ | yeah, live will hopefully only be a switch of the cron call | 13:13 |
| stgraber | ogra_: our planned target platform is going to be the ZaPad that we should have delivered over the next few days (no hardware makes things difficult) | 13:13 |
| ogra_ | i planned to test that later today or tomorrow and see what comes out of such a build | 13:13 |
| stgraber | ogra_: we'll be receiving 5 units for Edubuntu development and we thought it'd be useful to have one of these be sent to you if you're interested | 13:14 |
| ogra_ | the zapad is omap4 ? | 13:14 |
| ogra_ | is it lifepad based ? | 13:14 |
| ogra_ | i think aldi sells it here under the medion brand | 13:14 |
| stgraber | *zatab (sorry my brain is still booting up ;)) | 13:15 |
| stgraber | ogra_: http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html | 13:15 |
| ogra_ | Allwinner A10 SoC | 13:16 |
| ogra_ | omap4 images wont get you very far with that | 13:16 |
| stgraber | I know, the omap4 build is to check how bad the rest of Edubuntu works on armhf ;) | 13:16 |
| ogra_ | you will need a kernel and a bootloader in the archive to build proper images | 13:16 |
| stgraber | when we actually get the hardware we'll need to get kernel/bootloader/drivers in the archive and then we'll be able to get a proper build | 13:17 |
| ogra_ | ah, i wouldnt expect any arch specific breakage there | 13:17 |
| ogra_ | only speed issues | 13:17 |
| stgraber | the kubuntu folks are also going with the zatab and apparently already have a kernel/bootloader that works, they're just fighting with video issues | 13:17 |
| highvoltage | yeah kubuntu is working on getting the kernel from https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab in universe with some modules in multiverse | 13:17 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: it's a slow chip? | 13:18 |
| ogra_ | highvoltage, its a cortex-a8 ... | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | single core CPU | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | (pandaboards are a9 dual core) | 13:19 |
| stgraber | yeah, it looks like it's a pretty well specced a8 so the fact that it's single core will be a bit of a pain, hopefully I/Os are better than on the pandaboard though as it's our biggest bottleneck | 13:21 |
| stgraber | (well, comparing to a pandaboard using an sdcard, not using usb) | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | well, normally you find eMMC's in such devices | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | thats not faster than SD | 13:23 |
| stgraber | even if there are faster platforms, it's still an interesting product as it's sold by a linux friendly company that's already selling Edubuntu preinstalled on machines, so there's some potential of getting a tablet with Edubuntu preinstalled | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | right | 13:25 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: at least it's more of a development tablet / proof of concept rather than something we'd tell people to use in production. so I guess we could live with performance issues until something better comes along. | 13:26 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: the goal is to have something that's more or less useful in educational environments by 14.04 LTS | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | sure, i'm not complaining or anything :) | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | you asked how the CPU is compared to others :) | 13:27 |
| highvoltage | I didn't think you were, and I like to get the comparison info :) | 13:27 |
| highvoltage | (but I thought it would be worth well stating our intentions anyway) | 13:28 |
| highvoltage | s/well/while/g | 13:28 |
| highvoltage | (sorry the coffee isn't working yet) | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | until 14.04 you will likely see a lot of better HW though | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | I/O shouldnt be an issue anymore and you will likely use quad cores as a std. | 13:29 |
| highvoltage | that's what I'm hoping for :) | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | (and your phone in your pocket is probably already a computing cluster by then) | 13:29 |
| stgraber | ogra_: so anyway, as I was saying, if you're interested in playing with that hardware, we'll have one unit we can ship to you | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | sure, i'm always intrested in HW to play with ;) | 13:32 |
| highvoltage | cool :) | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | and happy to help once we have bootloader and kernel | 13:33 |
| stgraber | ogra_: apparently the kubuntu folks do, it's "just | 13:33 |
| stgraber | " a matter of getting it in the archive :) | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | right | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | they did the n900 kernel before iirc | 13:33 |
| stgraber | yeah | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | so they just need to copy their former work | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | and change the names | 13:34 |
| stgraber | ogra_: btw, do you happen to know how to restrict the build of an image to only a subset of the architectures on nusakan? I just triggered an edubuntu daily-preinstalled build but even though etc/default-arches says to only build armhf+omap4 I'm seeing it build for both omap and omap4... | 13:35 |
| ogra_ | hmm, i always get etc/default-arches wrong, the pattern matching is usually different than i think :) | 13:35 |
| stgraber | that could explain why it seems to have been ignored ;) | 13:36 |
| stgraber | +edubuntudaily-preinstalledquantalamrhf+omap4 | 13:36 |
| ogra_ | "theoretically" adding armhf+omap4 in the last column should do it though | 13:36 |
| stgraber | that seemed trivial but doesn't seem to match ;) | 13:36 |
| stgraber | gah, typo | 13:36 |
| stgraber | not sure why a typo in "armhf" would make it build for both omap and omap4 though, but anyway, fixed the typo, maybe that'll help :) | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | yeah, the typo wont help :) | 13:37 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: looks like edubuntu built on armhf | 17:31 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: link? | 17:33 |
| stgraber | not published yet, I'm just looking at the build log on the builder | 17:33 |
| highvoltage | k | 17:33 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20120621/ | 18:28 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: ignore the oversize warning, I'll need to tweak it not to warn for these :) | 18:28 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: I'll have it running on a pandaboard in 15min | 18:30 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: just checking, you're not filling like dropping all our milestones and testing every two weeks right? | 18:47 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: hmm? | 18:48 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: *feeling | 18:48 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: milestones = good | 18:48 |
| stgraber | ok ;) I'm preparing a reply with Edubuntu's point of view on the whole testing/milestone stuff as Robbie asked for opinions from the other flavours | 18:49 |
| highvoltage | I pretty much test weekly (when we have images atm), but can't gaurantee that I'll always have time to, but I agree with you about the usual testing/milestone stuff :) | 18:49 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ok | 18:49 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: yes, please provide the official edubuntu response | 18:50 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: replied, hope you agree with it. I tried not to be too harsh ;) | 19:01 |
| * highvoltage eagerly clicks on "get mail" | 19:03 | |
| ajmitch | highvoltage: so I've still got my zatab sitting in my bag just running android, I want to do more with it :) | 22:50 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch: <clippy> It looks like you're looking for work! </clippy> :) | 22:52 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch: so, this is the kernel that needs to go into universe: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab | 22:52 |
| ajmitch | looking for something other than the thrill & excitement that is reviewing ARB submissions ;) | 22:52 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch: totally understandable :) | 22:53 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch: it has some non-free bits listed on https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab/blob/ics/proprietary-files.txt | 22:53 |
| highvoltage | they would need to go in seperate packages so that they could go into multiverse | 22:53 |
| highvoltage | stgraber built the first arm image today, if you have something like a pandaboard you could install it and test our apps under ARM | 22:54 |
| ajmitch | not sure that the 3G modem is relevant, the zatab doesn't have one afaik | 22:54 |
| ajmitch | sadly the zatab is the only modern ARM hardware I have | 22:54 |
| highvoltage | *nod* the 3g drivers coult be skipped | 22:54 |
| highvoltage | I can't think of something you could do in the meantime until we have it booting with its proper kernel modules loaded | 22:54 |
| highvoltage | I think we might only have something by alpha3 | 22:55 |
| ajmitch | I'm not surprised | 22:55 |
| ajmitch | I've got a 32GB microSD card in mine, info on writing an image & booting it is a little scant | 22:55 |
| highvoltage | I guess ZAearl will help us a bit with that :) | 22:56 |
| ajmitch | hopefully | 22:56 |
| * ajmitch needs to fly up to wellington & visit them :) | 22:56 | |
| highvoltage | ajmitch: but I like that you're available to help, we'll need you soon :) | 22:56 |
| ajmitch | sure | 22:57 |
| ajmitch | it'd be nice to one day use the driver from http://limadriver.org/ but it's not yet mature enough, apparantly | 22:57 |
| highvoltage | my "one day" dreams is actually just to use nice fast hardware that "just works" with free drivers :) | 22:58 |
| highvoltage | (I'm secretly hoping for that for 14.04) | 22:58 |
| ajmitch | right, and a lot of this current hardware seems to use that chip :) | 22:58 |
| ajmitch | this single-core cpu in the zatab doesn't quite qualify as 'fast' | 22:58 |
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