[00:47] Code 5 === jbicha is now known as Guest34968 === Guest34968 is now known as jbicha_ [03:16] http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/eyes/ , Can someone check to see if the unity4 debug option will run this [03:16] http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/finally-unity-3d-game-engine-adds-linux.html [03:27] I've been using (warning ad on page) http://scale2.s3.amazonaws.com/scale2.swf , but would like to switch to ETS in the library [03:29] also note quarks are missing in that graphic === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:10] ogra_: around? [13:11] * ogra_ pretends to at least :) [13:12] hehe [13:12] what can i do for you ? [13:12] ogra_: not sure if you saw the scrollback. Basically I'll be doing a test build of Edubuntu desktop omap4 today for now using the preinstalled stuff as AFAICS the live images aren't there yet. [13:13] yeah, live will hopefully only be a switch of the cron call [13:13] ogra_: our planned target platform is going to be the ZaPad that we should have delivered over the next few days (no hardware makes things difficult) [13:13] i planned to test that later today or tomorrow and see what comes out of such a build [13:14] ogra_: we'll be receiving 5 units for Edubuntu development and we thought it'd be useful to have one of these be sent to you if you're interested [13:14] the zapad is omap4 ? [13:14] is it lifepad based ? [13:14] i think aldi sells it here under the medion brand [13:15] *zatab (sorry my brain is still booting up ;)) [13:15] ogra_: http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html [13:16] Allwinner A10 SoC [13:16] omap4 images wont get you very far with that [13:16] I know, the omap4 build is to check how bad the rest of Edubuntu works on armhf ;) [13:16] you will need a kernel and a bootloader in the archive to build proper images [13:17] when we actually get the hardware we'll need to get kernel/bootloader/drivers in the archive and then we'll be able to get a proper build [13:17] ah, i wouldnt expect any arch specific breakage there [13:17] only speed issues [13:17] the kubuntu folks are also going with the zatab and apparently already have a kernel/bootloader that works, they're just fighting with video issues [13:17] yeah kubuntu is working on getting the kernel from https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab in universe with some modules in multiverse [13:18] ogra_: it's a slow chip? [13:19] highvoltage, its a cortex-a8 ... [13:19] single core CPU [13:19] (pandaboards are a9 dual core) [13:21] yeah, it looks like it's a pretty well specced a8 so the fact that it's single core will be a bit of a pain, hopefully I/Os are better than on the pandaboard though as it's our biggest bottleneck [13:22] (well, comparing to a pandaboard using an sdcard, not using usb) [13:23] well, normally you find eMMC's in such devices [13:23] thats not faster than SD [13:24] even if there are faster platforms, it's still an interesting product as it's sold by a linux friendly company that's already selling Edubuntu preinstalled on machines, so there's some potential of getting a tablet with Edubuntu preinstalled [13:25] right [13:26] ogra_: at least it's more of a development tablet / proof of concept rather than something we'd tell people to use in production. so I guess we could live with performance issues until something better comes along. [13:27] ogra_: the goal is to have something that's more or less useful in educational environments by 14.04 LTS [13:27] sure, i'm not complaining or anything :) [13:27] you asked how the CPU is compared to others :) [13:27] I didn't think you were, and I like to get the comparison info :) [13:28] (but I thought it would be worth well stating our intentions anyway) [13:28] s/well/while/g [13:28] (sorry the coffee isn't working yet) [13:28] until 14.04 you will likely see a lot of better HW though [13:29] I/O shouldnt be an issue anymore and you will likely use quad cores as a std. [13:29] that's what I'm hoping for :) [13:29] (and your phone in your pocket is probably already a computing cluster by then) [13:32] ogra_: so anyway, as I was saying, if you're interested in playing with that hardware, we'll have one unit we can ship to you [13:32] sure, i'm always intrested in HW to play with ;) [13:33] cool :) [13:33] and happy to help once we have bootloader and kernel [13:33] ogra_: apparently the kubuntu folks do, it's "just [13:33] " a matter of getting it in the archive :) [13:33] right [13:33] they did the n900 kernel before iirc [13:33] yeah [13:33] so they just need to copy their former work [13:34] and change the names [13:35] ogra_: btw, do you happen to know how to restrict the build of an image to only a subset of the architectures on nusakan? I just triggered an edubuntu daily-preinstalled build but even though etc/default-arches says to only build armhf+omap4 I'm seeing it build for both omap and omap4... [13:35] hmm, i always get etc/default-arches wrong, the pattern matching is usually different than i think :) [13:36] that could explain why it seems to have been ignored ;) [13:36] +edubuntu daily-preinstalled quantal amrhf+omap4 [13:36] "theoretically" adding armhf+omap4 in the last column should do it though [13:36] that seemed trivial but doesn't seem to match ;) [13:36] gah, typo [13:37] not sure why a typo in "armhf" would make it build for both omap and omap4 though, but anyway, fixed the typo, maybe that'll help :) [13:37] yeah, the typo wont help :) [17:31] highvoltage: looks like edubuntu built on armhf [17:33] stgraber: link? [17:33] not published yet, I'm just looking at the build log on the builder [17:33] k [18:28] highvoltage: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20120621/ [18:28] highvoltage: ignore the oversize warning, I'll need to tweak it not to warn for these :) [18:30] highvoltage: I'll have it running on a pandaboard in 15min [18:47] highvoltage: just checking, you're not filling like dropping all our milestones and testing every two weeks right? [18:48] stgraber: hmm? [18:48] highvoltage: *feeling [18:48] stgraber: milestones = good [18:49] ok ;) I'm preparing a reply with Edubuntu's point of view on the whole testing/milestone stuff as Robbie asked for opinions from the other flavours [18:49] I pretty much test weekly (when we have images atm), but can't gaurantee that I'll always have time to, but I agree with you about the usual testing/milestone stuff :) [18:49] stgraber: ok [18:50] stgraber: yes, please provide the official edubuntu response [19:01] highvoltage: replied, hope you agree with it. I tried not to be too harsh ;) [19:03] * highvoltage eagerly clicks on "get mail" [22:50] highvoltage: so I've still got my zatab sitting in my bag just running android, I want to do more with it :) [22:52] ajmitch: It looks like you're looking for work! :) [22:52] ajmitch: so, this is the kernel that needs to go into universe: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab [22:52] looking for something other than the thrill & excitement that is reviewing ARB submissions ;) [22:53] ajmitch: totally understandable :) [22:53] ajmitch: it has some non-free bits listed on https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab/blob/ics/proprietary-files.txt [22:53] they would need to go in seperate packages so that they could go into multiverse [22:54] stgraber built the first arm image today, if you have something like a pandaboard you could install it and test our apps under ARM [22:54] not sure that the 3G modem is relevant, the zatab doesn't have one afaik [22:54] sadly the zatab is the only modern ARM hardware I have [22:54] *nod* the 3g drivers coult be skipped [22:54] I can't think of something you could do in the meantime until we have it booting with its proper kernel modules loaded [22:55] I think we might only have something by alpha3 [22:55] I'm not surprised [22:55] I've got a 32GB microSD card in mine, info on writing an image & booting it is a little scant [22:56] I guess ZAearl will help us a bit with that :) [22:56] hopefully [22:56] * ajmitch needs to fly up to wellington & visit them :) [22:56] ajmitch: but I like that you're available to help, we'll need you soon :) [22:57] sure [22:57] it'd be nice to one day use the driver from http://limadriver.org/ but it's not yet mature enough, apparantly [22:58] my "one day" dreams is actually just to use nice fast hardware that "just works" with free drivers :) [22:58] (I'm secretly hoping for that for 14.04) [22:58] right, and a lot of this current hardware seems to use that chip :) [22:58] this single-core cpu in the zatab doesn't quite qualify as 'fast'