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[03:16] <XDS2010> http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/eyes/ , Can someone check to see if the unity4 debug option will run this
[03:16] <XDS2010> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/finally-unity-3d-game-engine-adds-linux.html
[03:27] <XDS2010> I've been using  (warning ad on page)  http://scale2.s3.amazonaws.com/scale2.swf , but would like to switch to ETS in the library
[03:29] <XDS2010> also note quarks are missing in that graphic
[13:10] <stgraber> ogra_: around?
[13:11]  * ogra_ pretends to at least :)
[13:12] <stgraber> hehe
[13:12] <ogra_> what can i do for you ?
[13:12] <stgraber> ogra_: not sure if you saw the scrollback. Basically I'll be doing a test build of Edubuntu desktop omap4 today for now using the preinstalled stuff as AFAICS the live images aren't there yet.
[13:13] <ogra_> yeah, live will hopefully  only be a switch of the cron call
[13:13] <stgraber> ogra_: our planned target platform is going to be the ZaPad that we should have delivered over the next few days (no hardware makes things difficult)
[13:13] <ogra_> i planned to test that later today or tomorrow and see what comes out of such a build
[13:14] <stgraber> ogra_: we'll be receiving 5 units for Edubuntu development and we thought it'd be useful to have one of these be sent to you if you're interested
[13:14] <ogra_> the zapad is omap4 ?
[13:14] <ogra_> is it lifepad based ?
[13:14] <ogra_> i think aldi sells it here under the medion brand
[13:15] <stgraber> *zatab (sorry my brain is still booting up ;))
[13:15] <stgraber> ogra_: http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html
[13:16] <ogra_> Allwinner A10 SoC
[13:16] <ogra_> omap4 images wont get you very far with that
[13:16] <stgraber> I know, the omap4 build is to check how bad the rest of Edubuntu works on armhf ;)
[13:16] <ogra_> you will need a kernel and a bootloader in the archive to build proper images
[13:17] <stgraber> when we actually get the hardware we'll need to get kernel/bootloader/drivers in the archive and then we'll be able to get a proper build
[13:17] <ogra_> ah, i wouldnt expect any arch specific breakage there
[13:17] <ogra_> only speed issues
[13:17] <stgraber> the kubuntu folks are also going with the zatab and apparently already have a kernel/bootloader that works, they're just fighting with video issues
[13:17] <highvoltage> yeah kubuntu is working on getting the kernel from https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab in universe with some modules in multiverse
[13:18] <highvoltage> ogra_: it's a slow chip?
[13:19] <ogra_> highvoltage, its a cortex-a8 ...
[13:19] <ogra_> single core CPU
[13:19] <ogra_> (pandaboards are a9 dual core)
[13:21] <stgraber> yeah, it looks like it's a pretty well specced a8 so the fact that it's single core will be a bit of a pain, hopefully I/Os are better than on the pandaboard though as it's our biggest bottleneck
[13:22] <stgraber> (well, comparing to a pandaboard using an sdcard, not using usb)
[13:23] <ogra_> well, normally you find eMMC's in such devices
[13:23] <ogra_> thats not faster than SD
[13:24] <stgraber> even if there are faster platforms, it's still an interesting product as it's sold by a linux friendly company that's already selling Edubuntu preinstalled on machines, so there's some potential of getting a tablet with Edubuntu preinstalled
[13:25] <ogra_> right
[13:26] <highvoltage> ogra_: at least it's more of a development tablet / proof of concept rather than something we'd tell people to use in production. so I guess we could live with performance issues until something better comes along.
[13:27] <highvoltage> ogra_: the goal is to have something that's more or less useful in educational environments by 14.04 LTS
[13:27] <ogra_> sure, i'm not complaining or anything :)
[13:27] <ogra_> you asked how the CPU is compared to others :)
[13:27] <highvoltage> I didn't think you were, and I like to get the comparison info :)
[13:28] <highvoltage> (but I thought it would be worth well stating our intentions anyway)
[13:28] <highvoltage> s/well/while/g
[13:28] <highvoltage> (sorry the coffee isn't working yet)
[13:28] <ogra_> until 14.04 you will likely see a lot of better HW though
[13:29] <ogra_> I/O shouldnt be an issue anymore and you will likely use quad cores as a std.
[13:29] <highvoltage> that's what I'm hoping for :)
[13:29] <ogra_> (and your phone in your pocket is probably already a computing cluster by then)
[13:32] <stgraber> ogra_: so anyway, as I was saying, if you're interested in playing with that hardware, we'll have one unit we can ship to you
[13:32] <ogra_> sure, i'm always intrested in HW to play with ;)
[13:33] <highvoltage> cool :)
[13:33] <ogra_> and happy to help once we have bootloader and kernel
[13:33] <stgraber> ogra_: apparently the kubuntu folks do, it's "just
[13:33] <stgraber> " a matter of getting it in the archive :)
[13:33] <ogra_> right
[13:33] <ogra_> they did the n900 kernel before iirc
[13:33] <stgraber> yeah
[13:33] <ogra_> so they just need to copy their former work
[13:34] <ogra_> and change the names
[13:35] <stgraber> ogra_: btw, do you happen to know how to restrict the build of an image to only a subset of the architectures on nusakan? I just triggered an edubuntu daily-preinstalled build but even though etc/default-arches says to only build armhf+omap4 I'm seeing it build for both omap and omap4...
[13:35] <ogra_> hmm, i always get etc/default-arches wrong, the pattern matching is usually different than i think :)
[13:36] <stgraber> that could explain why it seems to have been ignored ;)
[13:36] <stgraber> +edubuntu		daily-preinstalled	quantal			amrhf+omap4
[13:36] <ogra_> "theoretically" adding armhf+omap4 in the last column should do it though
[13:36] <stgraber> that seemed trivial but doesn't seem to match ;)
[13:36] <stgraber> gah, typo
[13:37] <stgraber> not sure why a typo in "armhf" would make it build for both omap and omap4 though, but anyway, fixed the typo, maybe that'll help :)
[13:37] <ogra_> yeah, the typo wont help :)
[17:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: looks like edubuntu built on armhf
[17:33] <highvoltage> stgraber: link?
[17:33] <stgraber> not published yet, I'm just looking at the build log on the builder
[17:33] <highvoltage> k
[18:28] <stgraber> highvoltage: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20120621/
[18:28] <stgraber> highvoltage: ignore the oversize warning, I'll need to tweak it not to warn for these :)
[18:30] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'll have it running on a pandaboard in 15min
[18:47] <stgraber> highvoltage: just checking, you're not filling like dropping all our milestones and testing every two weeks right?
[18:48] <highvoltage> stgraber: hmm?
[18:48] <stgraber> highvoltage: *feeling
[18:48] <highvoltage> stgraber: milestones = good
[18:49] <stgraber> ok ;) I'm preparing a reply with Edubuntu's point of view on the whole testing/milestone stuff as Robbie asked for opinions from the other flavours
[18:49] <highvoltage> I pretty much test weekly (when we have images atm), but can't gaurantee that I'll always have time to, but I agree with you about the usual testing/milestone stuff :)
[18:49] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok
[18:50] <highvoltage> stgraber: yes, please provide the official edubuntu response
[19:01] <stgraber> highvoltage: replied, hope you agree with it. I tried not to be too harsh ;)
[19:03]  * highvoltage eagerly clicks on "get mail"
[22:50] <ajmitch> highvoltage: so I've still got my zatab sitting in my bag just running android, I want to do more with it :)
[22:52] <highvoltage> ajmitch: <clippy> It looks like you're looking for work! </clippy> :)
[22:52] <highvoltage> ajmitch: so, this is the kernel that needs to go into universe: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab
[22:52] <ajmitch> looking for something other than the thrill & excitement that is reviewing ARB submissions ;)
[22:53] <highvoltage> ajmitch: totally understandable :)
[22:53] <highvoltage> ajmitch: it has some non-free bits listed on https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/android_device_allwinner_zatab/blob/ics/proprietary-files.txt
[22:53] <highvoltage> they would need to go in seperate packages so that they could go into multiverse
[22:54] <highvoltage> stgraber built the first arm image today, if you have something like a pandaboard you could install it and test our apps under ARM
[22:54] <ajmitch> not sure that the 3G modem is relevant, the zatab doesn't have one afaik
[22:54] <ajmitch> sadly the zatab is the only modern ARM hardware I have
[22:54] <highvoltage> *nod* the 3g drivers coult be skipped
[22:54] <highvoltage> I can't think of something you could do in the meantime until we have it booting with its proper kernel modules loaded
[22:55] <highvoltage> I think we might only have something by alpha3
[22:55] <ajmitch> I'm not surprised
[22:55] <ajmitch> I've got a 32GB microSD card in mine, info on writing an image & booting it is a little scant
[22:56] <highvoltage> I guess ZAearl will help us a bit with that :)
[22:56] <ajmitch> hopefully
[22:56]  * ajmitch needs to fly up to wellington & visit them :)
[22:56] <highvoltage> ajmitch: but I like that you're available to help, we'll need you soon :)
[22:57] <ajmitch> sure
[22:57] <ajmitch> it'd be nice to one day use the driver from http://limadriver.org/ but it's not yet mature enough, apparantly
[22:58] <highvoltage> my "one day" dreams is actually just to use nice fast hardware that "just works" with free drivers :)
[22:58] <highvoltage> (I'm secretly hoping for that for 14.04)
[22:58] <ajmitch> right, and a lot of this current hardware seems to use that chip :)
[22:58] <ajmitch> this single-core cpu in the zatab doesn't quite qualify as 'fast'