=== jalcine is now known as Jacky === sandyd is now known as celena === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Mkaysi_ is now known as Mkaysi [17:00] o/ [17:01] o/ [17:01] o/ [17:02] Do we have anyone from the Forums Council here? :) [17:02] o/ [17:02] * Iowan nudges coffeecat [17:03] Good morning then :) [17:03] I'm here [17:03] pleia2, Gwaihir, YokoZar: can anyone of you chair? I might have to run a bit early [17:03] I'm not sure if I will be here 'till the end too... :-/ [17:04] #startmeeting [17:04] Meeting started Thu Jun 21 17:04:23 2012 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:04] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:04] #topic Forums Council check in === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Forums Council check in [17:04] Beat me to it pleia2 :) [17:04] welcome Iowan and coffeecat :) [17:04] thanks! [17:05] Thanks! [17:05] How are you doing? How's life on the Forums? :) [17:05] this is pretty informal, just checking in to see if there are any issues, conerns, good news :) [17:05] Still alive and kicking I presume ;) (emphasis on the kicking) [17:05] Still having hardware issues, spammers, and anxiously awaiting upgrade [17:06] Agreed - issue no 1 is for upgrade to v4 [17:06] still coordinating that with Canonical IS? any blockers we need to help with? [17:06] I haven't checked into any of the tickets recently, what's the status of the update? [17:07] Still stuck with SSO as a blocker I believe. [17:07] That was the last I saw as well, coffeecat [17:07] https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=16733#txn-167266 [17:07] I'm not well versed on requirements, so dunno what issues there may be [17:08] This is a real concern. We cannot institue effctive anti-spam measures until the upgrade. [17:08] well, it looks like there is activity on the ticket which is recent, so that's a plus [17:08] * pleia2 nods [17:08] There's been "recent activity" for > 1 year! [17:08] it seems the last update was about the license of the sso plugin [17:09] but that should be possible to find out, no? [17:10] coffeecat: I'm trying to look at it from where we can offer help :) we can give a nudge if it's been stale for a long time but it's more difficult for us to insist that they work faster [17:10] I do sympathize with spam being a major problem though [17:10] Playing Devil's Advocate here. As far as I can tell, the only person who wants SSO is Mark S. :) [17:10] pleia2: "demands" will probably have negative results. [17:10] Is the intent to have only SSO logins then? [17:11] Or does the spam control come from elsewhere [17:11] That wouodn't be feasible. Staff have to relogin conventionally before being able to do staff actrions. [17:12] The spam control we need is a plugin which is only compatible with v4 Vbulletin. [17:12] There is a plugin to use the StopForumSpam database [17:13] what percentage of admin time would you say is being spent handling spam now? [17:13] It's what I do most of he time - and I miss 75% [17:13] (or more) [17:13] I personally spent 2-4 hours per day for 14 days finding and banning toxic email domains. [17:14] my connection keeps me from banning more than 200/day [17:14] :) [17:14] is anyone liaising with the folks in #canonical-sysadmin directly most of the time? [17:14] wow, that's unpleasant [17:15] dholbach: Iim not - I'm still underqualified in that area [17:15] right now I think it might just help to join the channel and ask if anyone found out what the license of the plugin is [17:15] just to keep things moving [17:16] or to investigate themselves - there must be a mention of the license of the software somewhere on the web [17:18] How are things looking apart from the issues mentioned earlier? What are the busiest parts of the forums right now? :) [17:19] One thing that ought to be widely known. Kudos to Mike Basinger for his work on retheming the forum > Ubuntu branding. [17:19] Gotta admit, I haven't looked around lately - I tend to frequent the networking section [17:20] It lloks really fresh now - a pleasure to use. :) [17:20] Same Iowan, except I frequenty the Security, Server and Virtualization areas. [17:20] +1 coffeecat [17:21] Most sections are as busy or otherwise as always. I tend to frequent Beginners. There's a steady stream of newbies needing help. [17:21] Yep. [17:21] oh yeah, technoviking's theme is great [17:21] Compared to the past, did you have to resolve conflict as a council a lot in the last time? Or are things pretty calm right now? [17:22] SEEMS pretty calm, ATM [17:22] Don't jinx it. :p [17:22] (too late) [17:22] :) [17:22] CharlesA, sure won't - just asking :) [17:23] hehe [17:23] oh, I love s-fox's monthly updates :) [17:23] Did you approve Ubuntu members in the last few months? [17:23] last month... [17:23] this month's meeting got "delayed" [17:24] but you still have folks who are interested in becoming members - that's great then :) [17:24] Curioulsy, we've had a couple ask to have membership removed :( [17:24] wow [17:24] did they give any reason? [17:25] There's three pending approval. Three approved in May and 6 in March if I'm reading things correctly. [17:25] they should be able to deactivate themselves [17:25] One was losing interest in Linux in general, another seemed to think membership carried participation obligations [17:25] ok [17:25] ah, it doesn't require any participation obligations (people can even renew without being very active) [17:26] That's an interesting thing to happen [17:26] but I see people get confused about it often [17:26] pleia2: I THINK we finally got that explained. [17:26] that's good :) [17:26] (for now) [17:27] I tend to tell people it's a recognition of "good work done" rather than the promise of full time committment forever [17:27] Ok, I will have to run now, but I think I asked all the questions I personally had. I wish you all the best! Keep up the good work everyone! :) [17:27] of course we want people to stay active, but life and things come in, as long as you care enough to renew, that's some amount of caring [17:27] Many thanks, dholbach ! :) [17:27] +1 [17:28] I think he asked all the questions I had too, anything else you guys would like to add? [17:28] Nothing in particulat - what an FC do for YOU? [17:28] :) [17:29] nothing really, we just like to check in to make sure all is running smoothly :) [17:29] I'll read the ticket more thoroughly to see if there is anything we can do or suggest at this point [17:29] Thanks for support! [17:29] Could the v4 upgrade happen without SSO and then SSO happen at a later time? [17:29] pleia2, thanks for that. Don't think we're ungrateful to the sysadmins. [17:30] YokoZar, YES. That's what most of the staff want, I believe. [17:30] YokoZar: sabdfl has made it pretty clear that he wants SSO in this upgrade [17:30] Yes but if the upgrade is blocking on SSO and SSO is a mark thing then talking to Mark about it is the prudent thing to do [17:31] There's another point - security. V4 is going to be more secure than V3. We've already had a minor upgrade because of a very worrying security issue. [17:31] * pleia2 nods [17:31] well, we'll see what we can do to help [17:32] Yeah. I'm inclined to advocate going forward without SSO unless it's imminent anyway...knowing software can be "due out next week" for decades ;) [17:32] thanks for coming FC folks, we appreciate that the timing wasn't very convenient for many of you [17:33] For sure. [17:33] Thanks for opportunity to chat - time to head back to salt mine. [17:33] #topic IRC Council poll === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: IRC Council poll [17:33] Time zones are the usual excuse, but we all know some of us are on a time zone far different from where the position of the sun would indicate ;) [17:33] Many thanks too. The invitation is much appreciated. And thanks for your understanding of our concersn about the upgrade. [17:34] we'll be closing the poll of the IRC Members for the spot on the IRC Council in about 30 minutes, once it's closed the CC will review the poll and make an announcement to the IRC folks about their new council member [17:34] All right then [17:34] then they'll be back to a fully staffed council :) [17:34] Who's actually closing the poll then? [17:34] I am [17:34] Excellent :) [17:35] no other updates there really [17:35] #topic Any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Any other business [17:35] quick reminder, CoC review is still pending and we don't want it to get too stale, so CC members should peer at the etherpad so we can determine what else we have left to fix [17:36] I think that's all I have [17:37] #action pleia2 to upate minutes and wiki [17:37] ACTION: pleia2 to upate minutes and wiki [17:37] can someone from the CC volunteer to chair next meeting (I really can't be doing this during work), and someone to email the DMB to make sure they can attend the next meeting? [17:38] pleia2: does the pad include my branch? [17:38] YokoZar: it's the one we discussed on the G+ hangout last week, I don't know [17:38] Ok, I'll follow up on that [17:38] err, not hangout, we did that on IRC [17:38] and maybe update again [17:38] I'll get next meeting chair [17:38] great, thanks [17:38] since, well, I think it's just you and me atm [17:38] :D [17:38] yeah [17:38] ok, I'll mail the list to find a chair for next week, and I can email the DMB later [17:39] #action pleia2 to email the DMB about next meeting [17:39] ACTION: pleia2 to email the DMB about next meeting [17:39] I can chair next meeting [17:39] oh good [17:39] next meeting is on July 5th [17:39] I'm going to be traveling, so won't make it [17:40] #action YokoZar to chair next meeting [17:40] ACTION: YokoZar to chair next meeting [17:40] ok, I think that's it [17:40] thanks everyone :) [17:40] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:40] Meeting ended Thu Jun 21 17:40:19 2012 UTC. [17:40] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-21-17.04.moin.txt [17:40] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-21-17.04.html === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew [21:21] wasssssuuuuuuuppppp [21:21] huehuehue [21:51] aha, so it is #ubuntu-meeting, not #ubuntu-meetings, fixing the wiki. Morning/Evening! [21:51] sup sup [21:53] ello everyone o/ [21:54] lynxman: hello! [21:54] priming up for the big oobontoo meeting huehuehue [21:54] o/ [21:55] goodluck to you guys [21:56] Hey best of luck to everyone [21:56] * greg-g waves [21:56] 4 minutes until the ubuntu membership meeting [21:58] trinichica: thank you! /me grepping through the logs to see what it is like here [21:59] rye, torture, to put it simply [21:59] just mild torture [21:59] You all ready? [21:59] ohhhh man [22:00] eavesdropping on an EPIC MEETING [22:00] #ubuntu-meeting 2012! [22:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards/TeamReports does not exist [22:00] curious why it will be epic [22:00] your all welcome :) [22:00] * reavengrey is moderately lulzing about basically >.> [22:01] #STARTMEETING [22:01] autobots assemble... [22:01] rye: yes, there haven't been any since the realignment of the boards (from regions to timezones) [22:01] it is lower case IdleOne ;) [22:01] #startmeeting [22:01] Meeting started Thu Jun 21 22:01:20 2012 UTC. The chair is IdleOne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [22:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [22:01] see :D [22:01] * iulian waves. [22:01] * mfisch waves [22:01] ok so who is here from the board? [22:01] o/ [22:01] o/ [22:01] o/ [22:01] o/ [22:01] * hggdh pays attention now [22:02] alright lets get this party started [22:02] woot [22:02] Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 22:00 UTC meeting for June 21, 2012. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards [22:02] We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. [22:02] The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO). [22:02] Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions. [22:02] During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote. [22:03] When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!) [22:03] Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant is rye [22:03] rye, introduce yourself :) [22:03] hi there rye [22:03] I.e. the stage is all yours, rye. [22:03] Hello, I am Roman Yepishev, currently working on Ubuntu One projects and had been using Ubuntu for last 9 years. [22:04] The last 3 of which I have actually started to understand the value of the community in such a project. [22:04] rye, please provide LP link and wiki link [22:05] My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev and launchpad profile is https://launchpad.net/~rye. To some I may be known by indicator-ubuntuone project [22:05] yay for that [22:05] rye: Are you sure it's 9 years? That's a bit too much, isn't it? [22:06] wait, 2006 [22:06] that would 6 six years [22:06] iulian: 9 years of linux experience, 6 years of Ubuntu, you are right [22:06] heh, 2012 - 9 = 2003, pre even no-name-yet.com :) [22:07] rye: Oh, OK. [22:07] rye: is there an Ubuntu Ukraine LoCo team? [22:08] Apart from counting dates poorely I have been extremely active (well, by my standards) during 12.04 release where I kept testing Ubuntu on every machine I had in posession leading to quite a few early fixed bugs that I am personally proud about. [22:08] that's awesome [22:09] I'm proud of the indicator for you :-) [22:09] greg-g: There is not a formal one, a disperse "community" primarily active on the web site of linux.org.ua. Upon my recent visit to OSDN.ua (open source development conference) last year I was the craziest ubuntu person there [22:09] haha :) [22:10] do you think there is an oppotunity for someone to take the reigns of a Ubuntu-UA and make it work? [22:10] What means that I was asking people about how they feel about the latest release and all that. [22:10] #voters s-fox greg-g cjohnston IdleOne PabloRubianes [22:10] Warning: Nick not in channel: PabloRubianes [22:10] Current voters: IdleOne PabloRubianes cjohnston greg-g s-fox [22:11] IdleOne: do not forget me [22:11] ok [22:11] greg-g: I think that can be done. I have had several presentations of Ubuntu (CouchDB and Ubuntu One) in local internet center which had gathered some interested people so I guess that may be an interesting task to pursue [22:11] #voters s-fox greg-g cjohnston IdleOne PabloRubianes hggdh iulian [22:11] Current voters: IdleOne PabloRubianes cjohnston greg-g hggdh iulian s-fox [22:12] rye: cool, let me know if you need any help/guidance with that (or if you try to get someone else to do it) [22:12] #vote Approve rye for Ubuntu membership [22:12] Please vote on: Approve rye for Ubuntu membership [22:12] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [22:12] +1 [22:12] +1 received from s-fox [22:12] +1 [22:12] +1 received from IdleOne [22:12] +1 [22:12] +1 received from cjohnston [22:12] +1 # and unofficially thanks for all the help trying to get my files back in U1 [22:12] +1 # and unofficially thanks for all the help trying to get my files back in U1 received from greg-g [22:12] I like the work on bug reporting (and fixing) [22:12] +1 [22:12] +1 received from hggdh [22:12] +1 [22:12] +1 received from PabloRubianes [22:12] +0 from me at the moment. The main reason is that you've got no testimonials. [22:12] +0 from me at the moment. The main reason is that you've got no testimonials. received from iulian [22:12] I would've really liked to see some. [22:12] agreed on bug reporting :) [22:13] #endvote [22:13] Voting ended on: Approve rye for Ubuntu membership [22:13] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [22:13] Motion carried [22:13] Congrats rye [22:13] congrats and welcome, rye ! [22:13] congratulations rye :D [22:13] rye: welcome in. Please do keep the good work [22:13] You are now an illuminati... [22:13] and seriously, thanks for your hard work on my stupid U1 file disappearing problem ;) [22:13] ok next person is going to be nspirit [22:13] iulian: I will ask for testimonials because, yes, it is not really visible that somebody actually knows (or have seen) me [22:14] nspirit here? [22:14] rye: Brilliant. Thanks. [22:14] Going once... [22:14] Twice... [22:14] as a rule of thumb for candidates: testimonials help a lot [22:14] sold [22:15] Next... rubylaser you are up. Please introduce yourself [22:16] rubylaser ? [22:16] Hi, I'm Zack Reed. I've been on Debian/Ubuntu since Debian Woody. I love open source and I am a very active member on the Ubuntu Forums [22:16] rubylaser, link us to LP and wiki please. [22:17] wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/reed-zack LP: https://launchpad.net/~reed-zack [22:18] rubylaser, Do you have anybody here to support you "in person" [22:18] ? [22:19] rubylaser: What are your future plans for Ubuntu? [22:19] I asked CharlesA and a few other forum members to attend, I but don't see any of them in the channel :/ [22:19] I'm thinking firmware rootkits to prevent lesser things like archlinux and OS/X from booting, shipped with release 12.10, idk if you guys are into that [22:20] I would love to see Ubuntu's use continue to grow especially in the corporate environment (where I work). [22:20] rubylaser, you contributions seem to be forums based, perhaps it would be easier for you to gain membership via the forum council ? [22:20] ccccccbfuigdnjnkjndbveilinulnkrtvteeebjcljtl [22:20] cjohnston: nice yubikey password? ;) [22:21] thank the four year ol [22:21] old [22:21] @s-fox: That is true. Most of my contributions are in the Forums [22:21] rubylaser: Error: "s-fox:" is not a valid command. [22:21] #vote Approve rubylaser for membership [22:21] Please vote on: Approve rubylaser for membership [22:21] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [22:21] That is true. Most of my contributions are in the Forums [22:21] +0 I would advise you apply via the forums. [22:21] +0 I would advise you apply via the forums. received from s-fox [22:21] I am very sorry for being late, my internet connection is very bad [22:21] +0 I believe going the forums route is probably best [22:21] +0 I believe going the forums route is probably best received from IdleOne [22:21] nspirit, no worries :) we noticed you come in [22:22] +0 I cannot see much in terms of contribution, sorry [22:22] +0 I cannot see much in terms of contribution, sorry received from hggdh [22:22] +0 I agree about applying to the forums [22:22] +0 I agree about applying to the forums received from cjohnston [22:22] +0 [22:22] +0 received from PabloRubianes [22:22] +0 [22:22] +0 received from iulian [22:22] #endvote [22:22] Voting ended on: Approve rubylaser for membership [22:22] Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:6 [22:22] Deadlock, casting vote may be used [22:22] well, that looks like it does it. Thanks for your time. [22:22] rubylaser: please do go via the forums board [22:22] sorry rubylaser , but we wish you well with the forums council :) [22:22] +1 ^ [22:22] rubylaser: please consider applying via forums; also please expand the wiki [22:22] we're just not equipped to review your work as effectively as them [22:23] rubylaser: dont be discouraged [22:23] Next is nspirit, please introduce yourself and provide links to LP and wiki. [22:24] Thanks for the pick me up :) [22:24] My name is Nadeen from Egypt, 20 years old. Student at faculty of computers and informatics [22:24] my wiki page -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nadeen-spirit [22:24] https://launchpad.net/~nadeen-spirit [22:24] and LP [22:25] nspirit: What is it that you do in Ubuntu? [22:25] I am trying hard to spread Ubuntu anywhere [22:26] nspirit: what kinds of things do you do with the Egypt LoCo? [22:27] awesome photos [22:27] I am a member with them, helps other online to solve other problem, and make release party and workshop after being member [22:28] great [22:28] I am ready to vote [22:28] IdleOne: Go for it. [22:28] greg-g thanks :) [22:28] #vote Approve nspirit for Ubuntu mebership [22:28] Please vote on: Approve nspirit for Ubuntu mebership [22:28] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [22:28] i am ready to vote also [22:28] +1 [22:28] +1 received from cjohnston [22:28] +1 [22:28] +1 received from PabloRubianes [22:28] +1 keep up the great work :) [22:28] +1 keep up the great work :) received from IdleOne [22:28] +1 [22:28] +1 received from iulian [22:28] +1 # great work with the loco :) [22:28] +1 # great work with the loco :) received from s-fox [22:28] +1 please keep on nspirit! [22:28] +1 please keep on nspirit! received from hggdh [22:28] #endvote [22:28] Voting ended on: Approve nspirit for Ubuntu mebership [22:28] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [22:28] Motion carried [22:29] Congrats nspirit [22:29] congrats nspirit nice work [22:29] Congratulations nspirit and welcome! [22:29] welcome in! [22:29] oops, +1 from me after the fact [22:29] welcome :D [22:29] Thanks all :) [22:29] congrats and welcom, nspirit ! [22:29] balloons you around? you're up [22:29] * balloons is present [22:29] and inflated :-) [22:29] next up we have balloons [22:29] heh [22:29] Thank you s-fox [22:29] lol [22:29] balloons, shoot! [22:29] * s-fox resists temptation to get pin out ;) [22:30] Hello, my name is Nicholas Skaggs. Currently, I serve as a part of the community team for Canonical with a focus on QA. My goal is to see ubuntu become a leader in quality among open source projects. I began using linux about the same time as ubuntu was beginning as a project. I found debian, and then ubuntu. It's been running on my machines ever since. My wiki page https://launchpad.net/~nskaggs and lp page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/balloons [22:31] balloons, you have some very impressive testimonials :) [22:31] balloons has taken alot of time to help me out personally, and I know he does it for others as well [22:31] very nice testimonials [22:31] +1 testimonials [22:31] :) [22:31] thank you :-) [22:31] * iulian pops some balloons. [22:31] * hggdh resists the urge to cheer for balloons [22:32] * iulian is ready to vote. [22:32] me too [22:32] #vote Approve ballons for ubuntu membership [22:32] Please vote on: Approve ballons for ubuntu membership [22:32] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [22:32] +1 [22:32] +1 received from greg-g [22:32] +1 [22:32] +1 received from iulian [22:32] +1 even though he comes to my house and eats my pizza [22:32] +1 even though he comes to my house and eats my pizza received from cjohnston [22:32] +1 [22:32] +1 received from IdleOne [22:32] +1 #great community interview the other month :) [22:32] +1 #great community interview the other month :) received from s-fox [22:32] +1 [22:32] +1 received from PabloRubianes [22:32] +1 # thank you for all your wirk, balloons [22:32] +1 # thank you for all your wirk, balloons received from hggdh [22:32] cjohnston: Haha! [22:32] #endvote [22:32] Voting ended on: Approve ballons for ubuntu membership [22:32] Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [22:32] Motion carried [22:32] s/wirk/work/ of course, dyslexia [22:32] cjohnston, and I'll do it again to when quantal comes out :-) [22:33] Congrats balloons , well deserved. [22:33] cjohnston: You should've told me earlier! [22:33] BALLOONS BALLONS BALLONS [22:33] thank you.. I'm very excitied! [22:33] \o/ [22:33] congrats and welcome, balloons ! [22:33] well done balloons [22:33] you should see the smile [22:33]