[00:38] <rick_h_> nullspace: doh, dude!
[00:48] <nullspace> rick_h_: sorry about this
[00:48] <nullspace> she is having some stomach issues and doesn't want to be left alone
[00:50] <nullspace> we can wait a week or work something out tomorrow as I've got a half day tomorrow
[00:51] <rick_h_> yea, can't tomorrow. I can bring next week
[01:46] <snap-l> http://miek.nl/files/go/
[01:46] <snap-l> Blazeix: ^^
[01:48] <Blazeix> thanks
[03:53] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/a-vehicle-for-the-drummer-on-the-go
[11:22] <rick_h_> the last paragraph ftw http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2012-June/120512.html
[11:26] <snap-l> Um...
[11:27] <snap-l> as a former system admin who liked the consistency of his system-level packages, I take issue with that. ;)
[11:27] <rick_h_> :)
[11:30] <snap-l> Virtualenv and the package management make it very easy to get a level of consistency, but if one machine barfs on the "foour or five" commands, and leaves it in an inconsistent state, I want to a system that can get it back up to speed quickly
[11:31] <rick_h_> I don't see how it does anything to the system. a simple rm -rf gets things cleaned up
[11:31] <snap-l> I can do a quick rpm command to check the integrity of the package
[11:31] <snap-l> and do a multi-ssh to see what versions of packages are on the system
[11:31] <snap-l> with RPM or deb
[11:32] <rick_h_> for p in packagedir; cat `bin/pip freeze`
[11:32] <snap-l> I can also put additional scripts into the rpm or deb packages to do post-install cleanup
[11:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: That assumes that pip didn't bomb halfway through
[11:33] <snap-l> or that one of the files didn't get corrupted on dis
[11:33] <snap-l> k
[11:33] <snap-l> Developers have a hard time realizing that what their sysadmins do is more like a MASH unit
[11:34] <snap-l> triage quickly, determine what can be salvaged, and work from there
[11:35] <snap-l> And God help him if one of his 4 or 5 commands is "curl gihub.com/..."
[11:35] <rick_h_> no no no, it's pip -e git@github....
[11:35] <snap-l> fuck me
[11:35] <snap-l> ;)
[11:36] <snap-l> Get Chris back on the show. There's a paddling waiting for him
[11:36] <rick_h_> bookie used to do that to carry around a version of the parser stuff from git
[11:37] <snap-l> but yes, virtualenv makes it very seductive to just go rm -rf virtualenvdir and reinstall
[11:37] <snap-l> and if I was dealing with a package-level corruption, I'd probably do that first
[11:37] <snap-l> possibly a mv to see what happened
[11:37] <rick_h_> triage :)
[11:37] <rick_h_> make clean && make
[11:38] <rick_h_> there's your triage
[11:38] <rick_h_> fail again...punt to the dev "it's broken!"
[11:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: There is no punting to the dev at 3am. ;)
[11:38] <rick_h_> make downtime
[11:38] <rick_h_> that's `make downtime`
[11:39] <snap-l> God, the fucking squirrels are randy.
[11:39] <rick_h_> swaps out for a single served file that says "Sorry, we're currently unavailable...our dev broke crap"
[11:44] <shakes808> Good morning
[11:45] <rick_h_> dammit, going to go ape on this stupid library
[11:45] <rick_h_> oh, and morning shakes808
[11:46] <shakes808> rick_h_; looks like the morning is going well for you ;) .... I am going to guess that "stupid library" is referencing Django?
[11:47] <rick_h_> no, pep381client
[11:47] <rick_h_> it's doing stupid crap that I want to clean up but when I open the library it's even more stupid than I thought
[11:48] <rick_h_> and...I'm going to have to install java. son of a ... (separate work item for the day)
[12:00] <shakes808> lol. But Java is good. It contains caffine. You can get it all sorts of ways. I prefer mine in a Frap! :D  ;)
[12:32] <brousch> rick_h_: Java? You finally moving the Eclipse like real coders?
[12:32] <rick_h_> no, but the yui3 gallery build system uses ant
[12:33] <rick_h_> so if I want to get my code into the yui3 gallery...an ant'ing we will go
[12:33] <rick_h_> I'm having a good OSS day. Adding code to yui3 gallery for all to share/love.
[12:33] <rick_h_> pep8/ing adding code to the pep381client
[12:33] <brousch> You're a good man
[12:34] <brousch> I got an email this morning. My PyOhio talk was accepted
[12:34] <rick_h_> heh, we'll see how happy he is to get "PEP8 all the things!" as a MP comment
[12:51] <brousch> rick_h_: I assume you also got an email
[12:55] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, got the email
[12:55] <rick_h_> you get in?
[12:55] <brousch> I did
[12:55] <rick_h_> awesome
[12:55] <shakes808> brousch: congrats ;)
[12:56] <brousch> Yeah, well yesterday I thoguht I was out and free. now the weight is back!
[12:56] <rick_h_> https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch so so awesome
[12:56] <shakes808> which one did you end up deciding on? You should record it :D
[12:56] <rick_h_> widox: Blazeix jrwren ^
[12:56] <brousch> shakes808: PyOhio records and posts all videos
[12:56] <rick_h_> shakes808: all the talks will be recorded and put on the site, pretty quick to
[12:56] <rick_h_> they tend to get them up in 24-48hrs
[12:57] <brousch> I don't know what to think about that pedal. It is so crazy, but so awesome
[12:58] <rick_h_> yea, funny
[12:58] <brousch> What other things can we take from sewing machines?
[12:59] <brousch> So my problem is I have RLS and my legs bounce all day long. The pedal would not work for me
[13:02] <brousch> Hah, awesome. I got a free parking pass for PyOhio from WingWare
[13:02] <rick_h_> awesome!
[13:03] <brousch> Everything's coming up brousch today!
[13:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh FFS (was re: Vim Clutch)
[13:33] <snap-l> Even better: using the CC share alike as your license for software.
[13:35] <snap-l> Ah Oracle, and your fucking extension packs for Virtualbox
[13:36] <snap-l> it's like a EULA hug every month
[13:36] <brousch> Those are annoying
[13:38] <brousch> snap-l: After listening to my friend's podcast, I would like to change my vote from "Maybe" to "Yes" on if I would listen to a classical music podcast. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OpenLicensedMusic/~3/Nj5PbU9cAGo/episode-3-cartoon-music.html
[13:41] <snap-l> brousch: Why the sudden change of heart? :)
[13:42] <brousch> That is a classical music episode, and I enjoyed it
[13:42] <snap-l> Ah, OK. :)
[14:36] <brousch> D00d, where's tjagoda? http://pc-gaming.dcemu.co.uk/rim-discounting-its-16gb-playbook-down-to-169-from-499-468442.html
[14:37] <snap-l> If you ever want to get a Python list flowing again, just start talking about distutils.
[14:37] <snap-l> sheesh
[15:19] <jrwren> lol @ vim-clutch
[15:21] <snap-l> Bwahahaha... one of the samples on this song by Intermix: "SIt your $5 ass down before I make change"
[15:32] <jrwren> what intermix song? I thought I had all their albums.
[15:44] <snap-l> I think it's Funky Hell on Phase Two
[15:44] <snap-l> er, sorry, Phaze Two
[15:45] <snap-l> I only have that one
[15:48] <snap-l> Sheesh, keeping up with Bill Leeb is almost a full-time job. ;)
[16:08] <brousch> I think I'm going to print out rick_h_'s bookie Makefile and tape it to my monitor for reference
[16:16] <rick_h_> brousch: clean it up while you're at it please
[16:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: It'd be like correcting the spelling mistakes of the bible.
[16:55] <snap-l> or correcting the perspective of the Mona Lisa
[16:55] <snap-l> unthinkable.
[17:08] <rick_h_> I'm letting my boy down http://goo.gl/EppiF
[17:20] <brousch> snap-l: More like correcting Shakespeare's grammar
[17:24] <jrwren> now i have intermix in my head
[17:26] <brousch> rick_h_: Letting him down because you gave him a GUI right away?
[17:27] <rick_h_> because I've not taught him bash and put him behind a computer at all and he's coming up on 3
[17:27] <greg-g> rick_h_: is that the john goerzen post?
[17:27] <rick_h_> shoot, he just started getting to watch a movie about 2mo ago
[17:28] <rick_h_> greg-g: not sure, some guy with this 3yr old loading up startx/xmonad/tuxpaint
[17:28] <greg-g> ah, yeah, that post is great
[17:28] <greg-g> that's the guy who wrote offlineimap
[17:28] <rick_h_> ah, nice
[17:29] <greg-g> yeah, good guy
[17:32] <brousch> rick_h_: OMG, you have already stunted his development!
[17:32] <brousch> Mine was using Gnome as soon as he could sit up. Now he uses ChromeOS
[17:33]  * rick_h_ hangs head in shame
[17:33] <jrwren> good luck.
[17:33] <brousch> But you need to have computers that you don't mind being destroyed, because it will happen
[17:33] <jrwren> my 5yo barely has mouse skills.
[17:33] <jrwren> i'm hoping she gets better when she can read so I can show her some BASIC
[17:33] <brousch> George is 4 and is quite good on the touchpad
[17:34] <greg-g> yeah, I'm keeping my old ps/2 keyboard just for Rowan
[17:34] <brousch> He learns to spell the words most important to him so he can type them in youtube "thomas" "muppets" "star wars"
[17:34] <rick_h_> "son, this is a unicomp...it's built like a tank. Yes, that's a challenge..."
[17:34] <greg-g> this x200s will probaby be his first comp :)
[17:35] <brousch> also his password, which is a mixture of letters and numbers
[17:35] <greg-g> is it l33t sp3@k?
[17:36] <brousch> Once he was able to do things on his own computer (Youtube, Nick jr, PBS Kids) he stopped climbing on my wife and I when we were on our computers
[17:36] <greg-g> "Finally! ME TIME! Only took 4 years"
[17:37] <brousch> Nah, 2.5
[17:37] <brousch> That's why you start them early ;)
[17:37] <greg-g> whew
[17:37] <greg-g> only 2 more years to go
[17:38] <brousch> Assuming you don't have another one in the meantime
[17:38] <greg-g> my alone time now is post 8:30 and that doesn't last long since I'm definitely waking up before 6am
[17:38] <greg-g> right
[17:38] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, kid bedtime ftw!
[17:42] <brousch> I got some tea and a tea steeping thingy at Teavana. Some of this tea tastes like coolaid
[17:43] <brousch> Currently drinking iced http://www.teavana.com/the-teas/rooibos-teas/p/opus-rouge-rooibos-tea
[17:46] <snap-l> brousch: We warned you.
[17:47] <brousch> It's good!
[17:50] <greg-g> Kool-aid tea? not for me
[17:51] <brousch> More like a fruit drink
[17:51] <brousch> With a little sour
[17:58] <brousch> Ah, geez, look at this monstrosity http://www.giving.umich.edu/news/ezine/LBP_Spring2012/
[18:03] <brousch> Are the Twitters broke?
[18:09] <rick_h_> yea, been breaking today
[18:09] <rick_h_> working here for me atm though
[18:12] <jrwren> oh, i thought it was my network going wonkie
[18:12] <rick_h_> no, it's on HN and such
[18:12] <brousch> I get all my news through Twitter
[18:14] <brousch> Ah geez. Django changed the project layout in 1.4. Now stuff has shifted around
[18:21] <jrwren> yup
[18:21] <jrwren> much nicer now
[18:41] <jrwren> because brousch loves responsive design: http://aids.gov
[18:42] <brousch> You are giving me AIDS because I like responsive design?
[18:42] <jrwren> nope
[18:42] <jrwren> its a great example
[18:42]  * greg-g hangs head
[18:42] <brousch> pretty nice
[18:52] <_stink_> greg-g++
[18:55] <jrwren> you guys have aids?
[18:55] <jrwren> I didn't know.
[18:56] <brousch> Is it normal to end up with leaves and such in my tea after I pour it?
[18:57] <jrwren> hrm... lets see.  tea in cup, water of tea, poor water over tea, yup, there will be tea leaves since you put 'em tehre.
[18:59] <brousch> seems excessive
[18:59] <brousch> maybe i'll pull the basket out first
[18:59] <jrwren> basket?
[18:59] <jrwren> oh you are using an infuser?
[19:00] <brousch> I guess. It's a little metal mesh basket that keeps the leaves out of the tea, but when I pour some of the leaves go out too
[19:00] <brousch> So if I remove the infuser first it should keep the leaves out
[19:01] <jrwren> i don't use those, so I don't know :)
[19:01] <brousch> Ah, much better. Only 1 leaf
[19:02] <brousch> And the container has a little holder for the basket when it's out of the water, so I guess this is the right way
[19:02] <jrwren> damn, you are making me want tea
[19:04] <brousch> This flavor seems to have no actual tea in it
[19:05] <brousch> http://www.teavana.com/the-teas/herbal-teas/p/pineapple-kona-pop-herbal-tea
[19:07] <brousch> They had some freakish teas that come in a little ball, then in the the water they open into what looks like a whole plant and flower http://www.teavana.com/tea-products/tea-cups-mugs/travel-tea-cups/p/teavana-tea-rhapsody-glass-tea-tumbler?cm_sp=Recos-_-ProductPage-_-1&cm_vc=pdpz1
[19:10] <snap-l> MB Temperature:    +61.0°C  (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C)
[19:10] <snap-l> Wondering if I should just shut it down
[19:29] <rick_h_> ok, how rude am I?
[19:30] <greg-g> quite
[19:30] <rick_h_> ok, then I'm going to do this
[19:30] <greg-g> :)
[19:31] <rick_h_> https://github.com/buriy/python-readability/issues/23#issuecomment-6489123
[19:31] <rick_h_> as long as I'm keeping in character
[19:31] <rick_h_> and booya! for my port working where the original fails! :)
[19:33] <brousch> I cannot upvote your comment. Lame.
[19:34] <rick_h_> and sweet to have the webui to just check how I do rendering that page :)
[21:33] <rick_h_> lmao https://plus.google.com/photos/104234302931579992973/albums/5756568210679822001/5756568210416502146
[21:37] <greg-g> rick_h_++