[06:34] <Kilos> morning superfly SmilyBorg_w and other early birds
[06:34] <SmilyBorg_w> Morning :-)
[06:34] <superfly> morning Kilos, SmilyBorg_w
[06:34] <SmilyBorg> not sure I would call this early though. work started 34 minutes ago
[06:35] <Kilos> did you's get the sites updated superfly 
[06:35] <Kilos> hehe
[06:35] <superfly> Kilos: which sites?
[06:35] <Kilos> those you and steven were doing?
[06:36] <Kilos> or i can go read logs if you tell me how
[06:38] <Kilos> yo sflr 
[06:38] <sflr> good morning all
[06:38] <superfly> Kilos: we weren't fixing anything, really...
[06:38] <sflr> & Kilos 
[06:39] <superfly> Kilos: sflr just has some ideas and I said I'm happy to assist where necessary
[06:39] <sflr> superfly: got the Events working on the site and  added Twitter
[06:40] <sflr> Kilos: go have a look
[06:40] <Kilos> link please
[06:40] <sflr> we can postpone Facebook , because it only supports Pages, not Groups :|
[06:40] <sflr> http://ubuntu-za.org/
[06:40] <Kilos> oh that one
[06:41] <Kilos> ty
[06:42] <superfly> nice, sflr
[06:43] <sflr> superfly: can you add me on Google Analytics to see the reports? I saw there are some 404s I want to clean up and put in some SEO content. Would be nice to rank #1 for "Ubuntu South-Africa" :)
[06:43] <superfly> sflr: how did you get the events working?
[06:43]  * superfly couldn't figure that one out... then again, he didn't try very hard either
[06:45] <Kilos> just refresh me on the open id thing please is it http:launchpad.net then ~mail addy
[06:46] <Kilos> eish http://launchpad.net~mail
[06:46] <sflr> superfly: The main problem was that it is a re-occuring meeting, and Google creates events up until year 2045! I think the script just bombs out. I also created a new Ubuntu-za calendar, and set the right time-zone, etc. I set the meeting to end in 3 years time
[06:46] <Kilos> bit of a thumper going here
[06:46] <superfly> sflr: GA done
[06:46] <sflr> thanks superfly 
[06:47] <superfly> we have a LOT of traffic from China 0_0
[06:47] <superfly> I can only presume they are spammers
[06:49] <sflr> yeah, i saw there were attempts to scrape member contact pages. also some XSS on the search box
[06:50] <Kilos> opera is blocking out that captcha image
[06:50] <Kilos> grrr
[06:50] <sflr> superfly: maybe you could update Drupal to latest version on the site?
[06:51] <charl> morning all
[06:51] <Kilos> hi charl 
[06:51] <charl> hi Kilos 
[06:51] <charl> hi sflr 
[06:51] <sflr> morning charl!
[06:51] <superfly> sflr: yeah, I'll see if I can get that done in the next few days. feel free to nag until it gets done.
[06:52] <sflr> lol. ok. will remind you
[07:14] <Kilos> yo barns 
[07:22] <sakhi> Morning all
[07:22] <superfly> yo sakhi
[07:24] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[07:47] <Kilos> yo SmilyBorg do you eat bunny chows?
[07:47] <SmilyBorg> no
[07:47] <SmilyBorg> my poor mouth cant take the heat
[07:47] <Kilos> lol
[07:47] <SmilyBorg> my girlfriend loves them though
[07:48] <SmilyBorg> why?
[07:48] <Kilos> just wondered if you a real durbanite
[07:48] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[07:48] <Kilos> i lived on them when lifesaving
[07:49] <SmilyBorg> born and raised here, but I think I still have a but much Norwegian jeans
[07:49] <SmilyBorg> though something got mixed up because I cant stand the cold
[07:49] <SmilyBorg> oh well
[07:49] <Kilos> theres no cold in durbs
[07:49] <SmilyBorg> I'm rather an odd one
[07:50] <SmilyBorg> 1ts 16 here at the moment. thats cold in my book
[07:52] <Kilos> yeah that is serious winter weather for durbs
[07:52] <SmilyBorg> I'm not happy unless its above 23
[07:52] <Kilos> lol same as me
[07:52] <SmilyBorg> trouble is that if I dont move, I get icey cold
[07:52] <Kilos> dont go to jhb during winter then
[07:52] <SmilyBorg> and I spend a lot of time in front of PCs not moving
[07:53] <SmilyBorg> hehe, was in JHB in winter for a weekend when I was younger. NEVER again
[07:54] <charl> :D
[07:54] <Kilos> yeah these peeps can go down there on holiday in june and swim
[07:54] <charl> definitely don't come to europe, i have a feeling you won't like the -15 in the winter
[07:54] <Kilos> we sued to freeze having to pull them out
[07:54] <SmilyBorg> hehe
[07:55] <SmilyBorg> lived in the UK for about 6 months. though that wasn't too bad with the internal heating
[07:55] <Kilos> oh my -15°c is deep freeze temp
[07:56] <Kilos> charl, you peeps must all have penguin genes
[07:57] <Kilos> or walrus
[07:57] <charl> yeah no this is weather for white people
[07:57] <charl> i used to work in gaborone, it would be 18 degrees outside so i would be walking around in a t-shirt
[07:57] <Kilos> eeek
[07:57]  * Kilos checks skin
[07:58] <charl> then i walk indoors, the botswanas are sitting there, shivering with scarfs and jackets on, and the heater burning next to them
[07:58] <charl> in the summer, it would be 30 degrees, i am about to die so i want to put the air conditioning on
[07:58] <charl> then the botswanas get angry because they are cold
[07:58] <Kilos> lol 30°c is great weather
[07:59] <charl> eh
[07:59] <Kilos> swimming fishing etc
[07:59] <charl> bah
[07:59] <Kilos> rugby 
[07:59] <SmilyBorg> off to a meeting. catch ya all later
[07:59] <Kilos> cool SmilyBorg 
[07:59] <charl> same here, have to carry on with work
[07:59] <charl> ciao
[08:00] <Kilos> ciao
[08:01] <plustwo> morning all
[08:01] <Kilos> yo plustwo 
[08:02] <plustwo> yo yo Kilos, whadup?
[08:03] <Kilos> not much methinks. peeps to busy
[08:03] <plustwo> word!
[08:03] <superfly> hey plustwo
[08:03] <plustwo> oi superfly.... howdy?
[08:04] <Kilos> hey plustwo you tweet?
[08:04] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:04] <inetpro> sflr: well done
[08:04] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:04] <plustwo> is waar inetpro
[08:04] <inetpro> and thanks Kilos for the tweet notification
[08:04] <Kilos> yw
[08:04] <Kilos> was that ubuntu specific enough
[08:04] <Kilos> hehe
[08:05] <Kilos> im a swine at times hey
[08:05] <sflr> hi inetpro. tx.
[08:05] <inetpro> oh and thanks to superfly as well
[08:05] <sflr> Kilos haha, just noticed now
[08:07] <sflr> inetpro: can we have a short summary of the monthly meeting to be posted on the website?
[08:07] <Kilos> ya that shoulda been done by the chair/chairs
[08:07] <Kilos> next day already
[08:07] <Kilos> slackers
[08:07] <superfly> inetpro: moi?
[08:10] <inetpro> superfly: for giving sflr the rights to fix things and all
[08:11] <inetpro> sflr: I thought of summarising something but have honestly not had a chance
[08:11] <dLimit> Greets
[08:11] <inetpro> maybe this evening
[08:12] <inetpro> dLimit: hi
[08:12]  * inetpro goes back to work some more
[08:12] <dLimit> Howzit going, inetpro?
[08:12] <plustwo> dLimit: hi
[08:13] <dLimit> Hi plustwo 
[08:13] <Kilos> lo dLimit 
[08:14] <dLimit> Kilos: good morning
[08:17] <sflr> inetpro:  maybe nuvolari can do it? :)
[08:26] <Kilos> i left him a reminder yesterday sflr but he also seems snowed under
[09:07] <SmilyBorg> back
[09:15] <Kilos> wb SmilyBorg 
[09:16] <SmilyBorg> just got a datacenter move sprung on me for tomorrow afternoon
[09:16] <SmilyBorg> oh joy
[09:18] <Kilos> hehe
[09:18] <Kilos> strongs
[09:18] <plustwo> hi SmilyBorg
[09:18] <SmilyBorg> Hey plustwo
[09:29] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:29] <Symmetria> got another 45 terabytes of space on the way for mirror.ac.za
[09:29] <Symmetria> and the upgrade to 128gig of ram is on the way
[09:30] <Symmetria> bloody machine ran outta space on one of the smaller arrays, so gonna switch the disks in that one out with 3 terabyte disks instead of the 1 tb disks that are in it 
[09:32] <Kilos> well done Symmetria 
[09:43] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess when Symmetria is done with the upgrade you could tweet about it
[09:43] <Kilos> thumbs up inetpro 
[09:43] <inetpro> in fact if you really want you could tweet about it now, just need to fin the right wording
[09:43] <inetpro> and the permission from Symmetria
[09:43] <Kilos> he will surely say when its complete
[09:43] <SmilyBorg> is that why mirror.ac.za was down yesterday?
[09:44] <Kilos> yip SmilyBorg 
[09:46] <Kilos> Symmetria, can you give me the permission to tweet from ubuntuza with the info on what you have done to our mirror
[09:59] <Kilos> and/or maybe some specs with the info
[09:59] <Kilos> will see what the guys want tweeted
[10:20] <Kilos> yo queery 
[10:29] <Symmetria> Kilos would rather wait till the ram upgrade is in before we start tweeting :) lets get it done instead of just ordered first
[10:30] <Kilos> ok ty Symmetria 
[10:30] <Kilos> do you tweet Symmetria 
[10:30] <Kilos> ?
[10:32] <Kilos> vodacom seems to be working well today, or is everyones connection better
[10:32] <Kilos> ?
[11:27] <Kerbero> Symmetria, i see my updates started working again round 1
[11:27] <Kerbero> thanx a lot or working so late fixing it
[11:27] <Kerbero> *1 last night
[11:30] <Kilos> whew dedicated fella
[11:49] <inetpro> Kerbero, Kilos: I'm sure he gets paid to do the job
[11:49] <inetpro> Kilos: what's for lunch?
[11:49] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[11:50] <Maaz> I'm sure Kentucky would go down well Kilos
[11:50] <Kilos> here by me peanut butter sarmy
[11:50] <inetpro> Kilos: that sounds good can I give you my delivery address?
[11:50] <Kilos> veggie soup tonight
[11:50] <Kilos> yip
[11:50] <inetpro> :-)
[11:51] <Kilos> :-)
[11:51] <Kilos> i can also smile at times
[11:51] <inetpro> at least I've had luch already
[11:51] <Kilos> good
[11:51] <Kilos> not too much hey
[11:52] <Kilos> tummy full eyes pull closed
[12:08] <sflr> what a day! I need some music
[12:10] <sflr> superfly: can remove the wiki subdomain on the website? its loading the www content currently, resulting in broken links and duplicate content. thanks
[12:12] <superfly> sflr: hrm, it's supposed to redirect
[12:12] <superfly> sflr: I'll have a look this evening, just remind me
[12:12] <sflr> thanks superfly. www redirect, not wiki. I will remind you tonight
[12:14] <sflr> superfly, inetpro: do you know who could get an updated list of Ubuntu distros for this page? http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu
[12:15] <inetpro> sflr: hmm.. no idea where that comes from
[12:16] <inetpro> what does that page do even?
[12:16] <superfly> sflr: go to admin/build/taxonomy
[12:16] <Kilos> Maaz, ubuntu releases
[12:16] <Maaz> Kilos: ubuntu releases are 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog), 5.10 (Breezy Badger), 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake), 6.10 (Edgy Eft), 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon), 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron), 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope), 9.10 (Karmic Koala), 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat), 11.04 (Natty Narwhal), 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot)
[12:16] <superfly> ag
[12:16] <sflr> inetpro: you can put in your area and cd you want, then it lists people in that area you can get CDs from
[12:17] <superfly> sflr: admin/content/taxonomy
[12:17] <sflr> Kilos: 12.04?
[12:17] <Kilos> oneiric
[12:17] <sflr> thanks superfly 
[12:17] <inetpro> sflr: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[12:17] <Kilos> isnt it
[12:17] <inetpro> Kilos: that list is even outdated
[12:17] <Kilos> my goodnes
[12:17] <sflr> 12.04 Precise Pangolin
[12:17] <Kilos> im way behind
[12:18] <Kilos> thats it ya
[12:18] <Kilos> whew
[12:18]  * Kilos retires
[12:18] <Kilos> wonder why maaz didnt know
[12:18] <Kilos> doff bot
[12:20] <sflr> thanks inetpro for the releases link
[12:22] <inetpro> Maaz: ubuntu releases
[12:22] <Maaz> inetpro: ubuntu releases are 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog), 5.10 (Breezy Badger), 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake), 6.10 (Edgy Eft), 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon), 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron), 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope), 9.10 (Karmic Koala), 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat), 11.04 (Natty Narwhal), 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot), 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin)
[12:22] <inetpro> while it's a bit long it is now up to date
[12:22] <Kilos> well done inetpro 
[12:23] <inetpro> sflr: np
[12:27] <Kilos> inetpro, sorry same time as you told him i had say forget and cant get it right
[12:28] <Kilos> Maaz, ubuntu releases
[12:28] <Maaz> ubuntu releases are 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog), 5.10 (Breezy Badger), 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake), 6.10 (Edgy Eft), 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon), 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron), 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope), 9.10 (Karmic Koala), 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat), 11.04 (Natty Narwhal), 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot), 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangol
[12:28] <Kilos> wont take the last bit
[12:28] <Kilos> grrr
[12:29] <sflr> list updated: http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu
[12:29] <Kilos> well done sflr 
[12:29] <sflr> Kilos: please dont tweet about it. haha
[12:30] <Kilos> you handy to have around hey?
[12:30] <Kilos> i will only tweet what you guys agree on
[12:30] <sflr> need to kill lunch time with some fun work. hehe
[12:31] <sflr> was just kidding Kilos!
[12:32] <Kilos> lol
[12:32] <Kilos> was that a hint to actually tweet it
[12:32] <sflr> nono. i'm trying to get some tweet material on the site first
[12:33] <Kilos> ok
[12:34] <Kilos> anyone heard any news about an earth quake in or near aus
[12:34] <sflr> inetpro: I thought to upload the unity user guide pdf to the site. we might get some traffic from it while the official page is down on ubuntu.com. what do you think? 
[12:34] <Kilos> yeah good idea
[12:34] <Kilos> better than that funny site
[12:34] <Kilos> funny name site
[12:34] <sflr> this one on 2012 June 19 10:53:29 UTC?
[12:35] <inetpro> sflr: if not why not?
[12:35] <inetpro> just check the copyright
[12:35] <sflr> inetpro: I dont know about the bandwith available
[12:35] <inetpro> sflr: ask superfly
[12:36] <sflr> Kilos: Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/
[12:37] <sflr> ok. it seems php upload limit is 2mb currently. pdf is 3mb. i speak to him tonight
[12:37] <Kilos> ty sflr will see if i can wget anything
[12:37] <charl> hi all
[12:37] <Kilos> hi charl 
[12:37] <sflr> hi charl 
[12:37] <charl> hi Kilos, sflr
[12:37] <Kilos> all is out to late lunch
[12:41] <inetpro> Kilos: AIR Worldwide : moderate earthquake hits Victoria State in Australia http://www.newsinsurances.co.uk/air-worldwide-moderate-earthquake-hits-victoria-state-australia/0169488037
[12:42] <inetpro> charl: wb
[12:42] <Kilos> how far is that from melbourne. saw inna mail from facebook tara says house shook some but nothing broke
[12:43] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[12:44] <inetpro> Kilos: ...Today’s earthquake struck near the southeast coast of Australia 10 km southwest of Moe, the closest population centre, and 120 km southwest of Melbourne,...
[12:44] <inetpro> According to the USGS, the earthquake struck at a depth of 9.9 km, making this a shallow event. Shaking lasted for 30 to 40 seconds, according to local accounts.
[12:44] <Kilos> oh my just memebered melbourne is in vic state
[12:46] <charl> thanks inetpro 
[12:47] <charl> wow that sounds bad
[12:47] <charl> 5.3 ... well it could have been worse...
[12:48] <Kilos> yeah small one
[12:48] <sflr> that's the same earthquake. it was on tuesday, 19th
[12:48] <charl> yeah that shouldn't have created any serious damage
[12:48] <sflr> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb000ajek#summary
[12:49] <sflr> I wonder how is to live in Japan. tremors every day.
[12:50] <charl> they have tremors every day?
[12:51] <Kilos> whew not lekker
[12:51] <sflr> yes, baby earthquakes
[12:51] <charl> hmmm
[12:51] <sflr> that australian earthquake is really strange
[12:51] <inetpro> sflr: hmm... you sure that's the same as Tuesday?
[12:52] <charl> sflr: i don't think japan worries too much about earthquakes... i think it's the tsunamis that create the big problem
[12:53] <charl> on the positive side, they are well prepared for those
[12:53] <inetpro> that article is dated today
[12:53] <charl> but if a really big one comes... well we saw what happens then
[12:54] <sflr> yes inetpro, but USGS has the real time tracking. the time is the same. and i searched for Air Worldwide australia earthquake and news posts came up from the 20th with the same details and times.
[12:54] <inetpro> yikes!
[12:55] <sflr> sounds like a dodgy site: http://www.newsinsurances.co.uk/. haha
[12:55] <inetpro> I hate it when people publish articles referring to today without specifying it correctly
[12:56] <inetpro> sflr: true
[12:56] <sflr> its for SEO. lol
[12:58] <inetpro> Kilos: what did Tara say? when did she feel the shaking?
[13:01] <sflr> there were many aftershocks, inetpro look at this, beginning almost funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk5O1yzmqa0 (5.2M - Biggest Quake to Hit Victoria, AU in 30 Years - June 19, 2012)
[13:05] <Kilos> Krice Verta
[13:05] <Kilos> Krice Verta updated her status: "How was that earthquake last night, guys!? My house shook - but only very slightly. And there's no damage. :D"
[13:05] <Kilos> i got that at 09.25 inetpro 
[13:06] <Kilos> havent been in contact today
[13:22] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[13:22] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[13:25] <Kilos> yo smile 
[13:26] <smile> hi! :DD
[13:26] <smile> :
[13:26] <smile> what are you doing Kilos ? :)
[13:26] <Kilos> as little as possible smile
[13:26] <Kilos> hehe
[13:26] <Kilos> actually looking after sheep and soup
[13:27] <smile> :D
[13:27] <smile> ^^
[13:39] <smile> Kerbero[dsp]: hi! :D
[13:42] <smile> :o
[13:55] <Kilos> yo HawkiesZA 
[13:58] <HawkiesZA> Ola
[13:59] <smile> HawkiesZA: ola!! :D
[14:00] <HawkiesZA> What did I miss?
[14:03] <Kilos> not very much
[14:06] <Kilos> sflr, been doing some work on http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu
[14:07] <Kilos> and  http://ubuntu-za.org/
[14:07] <Kilos> we all been resting
[14:07] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[14:08] <Kilos> hiya psydroid 
[14:08] <Kilos> queery1985, whats the relevance of 1985?
[14:08] <Kilos> born then?
[14:09] <charl> have any of you seen this film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1414378/
[14:09] <charl> Tracker (2010)
[14:09] <psydroid> I have the funny problem that Ubuntu 10.04 works better with my wireless network card in my laptop than 12.04, so I'm multibooting between both releases
[14:10] <charl> psydroid: what type of wireless card do you use?
[14:10] <charl> i assume it's an on-board interface, not really a card :)
[14:11] <Kilos> inetpro, superfly please can you give me a link for the kubuntu 12.04 iso
[14:11] <Kilos> for ian
[14:12] <inetpro> hmm... hang on
[14:12] <Kilos> or one of you other guys if you got it for me
[14:12] <Kilos> ty
[14:12] <inetpro> Kilos: 32bit or 64bit?
[14:13] <charl> yeah was just about to ask the same question :)
[14:13] <charl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:13] <Kilos> 32 please
[14:13] <charl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[14:13] <charl> the second one then
[14:13] <Kilos> ty
[14:13] <charl> while on the topic, why isn't 12.04 on the za mirror http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/ ?
[14:14] <charl> last version on there is 11.10
[14:14] <charl> Kilos: i assume you wanted the link to the desktop iso, not the alternate one?
[14:14] <inetpro> ahh, charl beat me to that
[14:14]  * inetpro was trying to find it on the za mirror
[14:15] <charl> Kilos: the alternate is the one with the text installer
[14:15] <Kilos> ty charl. have you got the alt one too?
[14:15] <charl> Kilos: one sec
[14:15] <Kilos> ya its your working time inetpro 
[14:15] <Kilos> so you forgiven
[14:15] <charl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[14:15] <inetpro> lol
[14:16] <Kilos> ty charl 
[14:16] <charl> np
[14:17] <inetpro> charl: perhaps Symmetria can load it for us when he's got more disk space
[14:17] <charl> inetpro: oh yes, forgot about that already
[14:18] <charl> i would really like to know what is the difference between the ubuntu "amd64 mac" and "amd64 pc" builds
[14:18] <charl> i always ran the regular amd64 builds on my macbook
[14:19] <inetpro> charl: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image
[14:19] <Kilos> is that amd cpu specific or will it be fine on intels too
[14:20] <smile> brb
[14:20] <inetpro> Kilos: should be fine on intel
[14:20] <charl> inetpro: ah that's very interesting, thanks
[14:20] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[14:20] <charl> so it's all got to do with booting
[14:20] <charl> i never had any issues with booting the regular amd64 builds, as a matter of fact, i did try the amd64+mac build once and i couldn't get it to boot
[14:21] <charl> but that all makes sense then, i think i have too new a version
[14:21] <charl> the instruction set should be identical to the pc because my macbook had a regular intel core i5 processor
[14:21] <inetpro> charl: interesting indeed
[14:21]  * inetpro stays as far as possible away from mac 
[14:22] <charl> generally i do that as well but i used to work for a company where everyone used a mac
[14:22] <charl> so i also got one (paid for by the company)
[14:22] <inetpro> and the worst of it all is the mouse
[14:22] <inetpro> I can't stand that thing
[14:23] <charl> i would never blow a ton of money on a (mostly) standard intel-based chipset with a nice casing
[14:23] <charl> i totally agree with you regarding the mouse, i used one for 30 mins and my hand got a cramp, no kidding
[14:23] <charl> the keyboard is also extremely "flat"
[14:23] <inetpro> for the nstuff I do I really don't need a mac
[14:24] <inetpro> s/nstuff/stuff/
[14:24] <sflr> thats lots of stuff. haha
[14:24] <inetpro> sflr: exactly :-)
[14:24] <inetpro> but everyone else is welcome to use a mac
[14:25] <charl> the macbook has a nice large touchpad, so that's a positive, but you can't replace the battery without opening the whole thing up
[14:25] <charl> that is completely braindead
[14:25] <charl> the battery is the #1 thing you replace in a laptop and on a normal laptop you can just "click" the thing off
[14:25] <inetpro> charl: no, it's called lock-in
[14:26] <charl> and if you dispose the laptop, the lithium ion battery needs to be treated as chemical waste
[14:26] <charl> lol yeah a proprietary lock-in
[14:26] <sflr> charl, that's how they make you buy new one. I stopped using Apple products as soon as my Ipods battery died and found out the solution is to buy a new one.
[14:26] <charl> bah
[14:27] <SmilyBorg> apparently the battery is glued in in the new retina display mac book pro
[14:27] <charl> and then they have it about pollution and wasting the world's resources
[14:27] <charl> SmilyBorg: oh that is so evil
[14:27] <SmilyBorg> yup
[14:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:27] <sflr> specially that glue. is hazardous. haha
[14:27] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: don't tell Symmetria
[14:27] <charl> the apple has gotten rotten :)
[14:28] <inetpro> he loves the mac :-)
[14:28] <SmilyBorg> and the ram is soldered to the motherboard so you cant upgrade
[14:28] <charl> SmilyBorg: a couple of months ago i was looking at buying one of the new acer ultrabooks
[14:29] <charl> SmilyBorg: i got a demo model to play with, it was super light and i was quite keen to buy one
[14:29] <charl> SmilyBorg: then i decided against it for that exact reason - the ram is on-board and there are NO expansion slots
[14:29] <Kilos> ok who can modify this command to update the iso?
[14:29] <Kilos> zsync -i ubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.1-Desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[14:29] <charl> SmilyBorg: i do a lot of virtualisation and would like minimally 8GB of ram, preferably more
[14:29] <SmilyBorg> ya. ultrabooks are nice and they have their purpose, but they are not for everyone
[14:29] <charl> yup
[14:30] <SmilyBorg> ya, same here
[14:30] <charl> Kilos: sorry what exactly are you trying to do?
[14:30] <SmilyBorg> I'll deal with a bigger machine just to have 8-16GB ram and 700GB+ of hard drive
[14:30] <Kilos> update a downloaded iso before burning to cd charl 
[14:31] <inetpro> Kilos: I think that link should be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[14:31] <psydroid> charl, hi, Sitecom WL-180 v1 001 "Wireless Network 300N Cardbus Card"
[14:31] <charl> update the iso... ok
[14:31] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[14:31] <inetpro> Kilos: but hang on
[14:31] <Kilos> yes?
[14:32]  * Kilos hangs on
[14:32] <inetpro> was that original kubuntu or ubuntu?
[14:32] <charl> oh now i see, sorry never used the zsync command before, had to go look it up
[14:32] <charl> makes sense now
[14:32] <inetpro> Kilos: and what version?
[14:32] <Kilos> he will download the 12.04 iso then we want to update it before burning to cd
[14:33] <charl> SmilyBorg: actually i don't really know if it matters that much anymore, i want to move my virtual machines onto a central server so i can use a smaller laptop
[14:33] <Kilos> same as i did with lucid
[14:33] <inetpro> Kilos: updates are not part of the release cd
[14:33] <charl> SmilyBorg: i'm connected pretty-much everywhere i am in any case so with rdp and ssh i can do whatever i need to do remotely
[14:33] <psydroid> hi inetpro
[14:33] <psydroid> hoi smile
[14:33] <SmilyBorg> charl: that works for me when I'm at home or the office, but not when I'm mobile
[14:33] <inetpro> psydroid: hi
[14:34] <inetpro> eish! my day not over yet
[14:34]  * inetpro bbl
[14:34] <SmilyBorg> I prefer having too much power rather than not enough
[14:34] <charl> SmilyBorg: yeah, same here, i guess i'm just not "mobile" that much anymore, used to travel a lot but now it's just the 10-min commute between my home and office every day
[14:34] <charl> that's true
[14:35] <charl> psydroid: ah i see, i never really used that particular card
[14:35] <SmilyBorg> charl: ya, I'm mainly home or office bound these days, but I'm looking at running some classes soon so big laptop, or small laptop and drag small servers along
[14:35] <charl> bah dragging servers along is a pain
[14:36] <charl> especially on an airplane
[14:36] <charl> too heavy as well
[14:36] <SmilyBorg> ya
[14:36] <smile> hoi psydroid :)
[14:37] <SmilyBorg> I'm using HP MicroServers  at the moment for test environments which are fine for draging around town, but not on a plane
[14:38] <charl> ah interesting
[14:43] <Kilos> inetpro, when you get back. that zsync command might work once kubuntu is on our mirror
[14:44] <inetpro> Kilos: yes but there will be no difference
[14:44] <charl> yeah i don't see the difference either to be honest
[14:44] <Kilos> when i used it on lucid it got 200m of updates remember
[14:45] <inetpro> Kilos: that's because there was an old version and a new version
[14:45] <Kilos> cocooncrash, will have to explain it to you guys
[14:45] <inetpro> there was a 2nd release
[14:45] <Kilos> was updating the iso taken off the cd from canonical
[14:47] <inetpro> Kilos: in fact there was 4 releases of Lucid
[14:47] <inetpro> or is that 5 even
[14:48] <Kilos> ok if one downloads and iso now of 12.04 is it the same as whats on the official cd?
[14:48] <inetpro> 10.04, 10.04.1, 10.04.2, 10.04.3 and 10.04.4
[14:48] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[14:48] <inetpro> there's no 2nd release yet
[14:48] <inetpro> but there are many updates
[14:48] <Kilos> so then the zsync command should fetch updates for that iso
[14:48] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[14:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:50] <inetpro> zsync is really useful for updating releases, especially daily snapshots during development
[14:50] <inetpro> but real releases don't come that often
[14:51] <Kilos> oh is that only for like 12.04.1
[14:51] <Kilos> etc
[14:51] <inetpro> Kilos: yebo yes
[14:51] <Kilos> so when will that be released
[14:52] <Kilos> that will be once lotsa bugs are repaired hey
[14:53] <sflr> there were tons of updates since 12.04 release. I get updates almost every day
[14:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:54] <inetpro> Kilos: according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=PreciseReleaseSchedule Ubuntu 12.04.1 should come on August 23rd
[14:55] <Kilos> sjoe thats still a while ty inetpro 
[14:55] <inetpro> and Ubuntu 12.04.2 on 31 January 2013
[14:56] <inetpro> and Ubuntu 12.04.3 on 15 August 2013
[14:56] <Kilos> lol
[14:56] <inetpro> and Ubuntu 12.04.4 on 24 January 2014
[14:57] <inetpro> Kilos: and that is only because it is a LTS release
[14:57] <Kilos> ok ty
[14:57] <charl> yeah lts hey
[14:58] <Kilos> i go let sheep in quick
[15:06] <sflr> Kilos you remind me of the farmer from Shaun the Sheep cartoons on Cbeebies :D
[15:07] <charl> bbl
[15:16] <Kilos> lol @sf
[15:16] <Kilos> sflr,  too
[15:16] <Kilos> hard work sheep
[15:16] <Kilos> always one short
[15:18] <Kilos> stupid animals, only good for chops and roasts
[15:21] <sflr> hahaha Kilos 
[15:30] <superfly> sflr: if you want any farming tips, ask Kilos... He's quite the pro
[15:32] <sflr> hehe superfly. the only farms I get close to is webfarms :)
[15:33] <Kilos> lol
[15:33] <Kilos> not even a potplant at home sflr 
[15:33] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:33] <sflr> superfly: I want to ask you if we can upload the Unity guide to the site? Its 3MB http://frenchfortunecookie.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/unity-5-10-0-final-pdf.pdf
[15:33] <sflr> gardening yes, but no farming
[15:34] <Kilos> aw not even a rooster to crow you awake inna morns
[15:35] <superfly> sflr: I saw, will do that when I'm home.
[15:35] <sflr> ok superfly thanks. wasnt sure if you saw it
[15:35] <Kilos> he sees all
[15:35] <sflr> Kilos: I have worm farm! hope that counts :)
[15:35] <Kilos> just forgets at times
[15:35] <superfly> Hehe, Kilos
[15:36] <Kilos> red wrigglers sflr 
[15:36] <sflr> its for compost
[15:36] <Kilos> those that make vermicast?
[15:37] <Kilos> or ordinary earth worms
[15:37] <sflr> not that our household produces so much waste
[15:37] <sflr> i dont Kilos, I bought them in the shop. I was told they make organic into compost :)
[15:38] <Kilos> inna black bin with roof on top and drain hole at the bottom?
[15:38] <sflr> I havent seen the worms in a year. just keep adding stuff. I think they eat at night.
[15:38] <sflr> yeah, that one. it has a tap for juice!
[15:38] <Kilos> they dont like light
[15:39] <Kilos> you can take that juice and mix it 50 to 1 with water and spray on plants leaves or water plants with it
[15:39] <Kilos> juice is called vermitea
[15:40] <sflr> yes, thats what I use the juice for. pretty handy. and not that stinky like the one from the nursery
[15:41] <sflr> Kilos: you are a pro! learnt today :)
[15:41] <Kilos> yeah they pureify it. its not rotten stuff anymore
[15:42] <superfly> sflr: told you! ;-)
[15:42] <sflr> haha, yes. 
[15:43] <sflr> superfly: there are many feeds aggregated on the site but some are dead links. are the feeds still being imported into the site?
[15:44] <superfly> sflr: uh, I'll have to have a look. Are the links to the blogs themselves dead, or are the links in the feeds bad?
[15:44] <superfly> i remember maiatoday's blog was a little weird
[15:45] <sflr> some links to the blogs. few crons have an exclamation marks next to them
[15:45] <superfly> Ah, OK, we should investigate and refresh/prune
[15:45] <sflr> i can go through them and get you a list of which are not working
[15:46] <sflr> ok guys. home time. chatter later.
[15:46] <superfly> sflr: well, I don't mind if you purge, I just wanna check too.
[15:46] <sflr> yes please,  i dont want to nuke some precious feeds
[15:47] <superfly> Cool, chat later : -)
[15:47] <Kilos> go safe sflr 
[16:40] <Kilos> hmmm
[16:40] <Kilos> is gnome-desktop in the 12.04 repo guys?
[17:06] <superfly> Kilos: depending on your definition, yes and no
[17:09] <superfly> evening sflr
[17:09] <sflr> hi all. rainy evening in CT
[17:09] <sflr> hi superf
[17:09] <superfly> indeed
[17:09] <sflr> superfly
[17:09] <sflr> it seems gonna be rainy for few days
[17:09] <sflr> outdoor weekend plans changed
[17:11] <sflr> superfly, can I remind you about the website stuff? :)
[17:11] <Kilos> oh my goodnes . ubuntu-desktop could be use on 11.04 to make it gnome not unity
[17:12] <Kilos> i was hoping same will be for 12.04
[17:12] <sflr> Kilos, you installed 12.04?
[17:13] <sflr> anybody used http://www.jotform.com/ form builder? wow, this is the shizzle! just saved me 2 hours of work :)
[17:20] <smile> Kilos: :D
[17:22] <superfly> Hmmm, slick looking interface. But does it blend?
[17:25] <Kilos> not yet sflr . want to try when/if ian gets here
[17:26] <Kilos> smile,  :D
[17:26] <Kilos> whatever that is
[17:27] <smile> Kilos: a smiley (happy one)
[17:28] <Kilos> ah whats the good of an unhappy smile
[17:28] <Kilos> better to grimace then
[17:28] <smile> yes :)
[17:28] <Kilos> haha
[17:32] <Kilos> which one is correct guys
[17:32] <Kilos> aandete or aand ete
[17:33]  * Kilos needs to go back to school and get my money back
[17:34] <Kilos> they didnt teach me not to forget
[17:35]  * superfly is back at the PC at last
[17:36] <Kilos> yay for superfly 
[17:36] <Kilos> superfly,   aandete or aand ete
[17:37] <superfly> Kilos: I'm the Engelsman, I don't know why you're asking me :-P
[17:37] <Kilos> no then you would be cutman
[17:39] <Kilos> nuvolari,   aandete or aand ete
[17:39] <Kilos> who else here is a van der merwe
[17:40] <Kilos> inetpro,  aandete or aand ete
[17:40] <Kilos> hi there cocooncrash 
[17:40] <cocooncrash> Hi Kilos 
[17:42] <Kilos> tara says the beds shook with the quake but no serious
[17:45] <Kilos> not
[17:45] <superfly> Kilos: that's good to hear
[17:46] <Kilos> yeah
[17:46] <Kilos> Moe is four hours away
[17:46] <Kilos> thats where it was
[17:50] <Kilos> superfly, you sticking tongue out at me?
[17:50] <Kilos> looked in mxits smileys for the text
[18:18] <bmg505> if this is not hard core I really do not know   https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch
[18:24] <superfly> bmg505: I saw that earlier today...
[18:26] <bmg505> weird peeps in this world
[18:32] <smile> bye! :)
[18:32] <Kilos> cheers smile
[18:32] <Kilos> be good
[18:33] <smile> :D
[18:39] <Kilos> wb psydroid 
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:39]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:43] <Kilos> mkaty
[18:44] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:44] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:51] <psydroid> ty Kilos
[18:51] <psydroid> that's,just what I needed
[19:01] <Kilos> night all. i gotta go crash now
[19:01] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:01] <Kilos> môre is nog n dag
[19:07] <superfly> sflr: what PDF is it that you want uploaded?
[19:19] <superfly> oh right, that one.
[19:24] <superfly> sflr: http://ubuntu-za.org/sites/default/files/unity-5-10-0-final-pdf.pdf
[19:35] <sflr> thanks superfly!
[19:36] <superfly> sflr: make sure to set your input format if you're posting anything...
[19:38] <sflr> superfly, i was thinking to make a story and include a link to the pdf. is there anything else i must do?
[19:40] <superfly> sflr: if you want likns to work, set yoiur input format (below the body) to full html, or whatever it's called
[19:40] <superfly> *links
[19:40] <sflr> oh yes, I set it like that. full html
[19:40] <sflr> superfly, any chance you can fix the wiki subdomain or remove it completely?
[19:41] <superfly> er, lemme see
[19:41] <sflr> Twitter is struggling tonight
[19:44] <superfly> sflr: try now
[19:45] <sflr> cool. redirecting to wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/
[19:46] <sflr> thanks superfly its working now
[19:46] <superfly> automagically!
[20:00] <sflr> always automagical. haha
[20:01] <sflr> I added it here http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/06/21/unity-orientation-guide-ubuntu-1204-lts
[20:01] <sflr> now where is Kilos to tweet this?
[20:02] <sflr> inetpro, do you have access to @ubuntuza?
[20:03] <inetpro> uh?
[20:03] <inetpro> sflr: you don't?
[20:03] <sflr> to post a tweet inetpro
[20:03] <sflr> i dont. remember it was maiatoday, nuvolari and Kilos
[20:03] <inetpro> ok, lemme try, what must I tweet?
[20:04] <sflr> Unity Orientation Guide for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS  - http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/06/21/unity-orientation-guide-ubuntu-1204-lts
[20:05] <sflr> superfly uploaded the file and I added a post for it
[20:06] <inetpro> hmm... twidder is very slow
[20:06] <sflr> yes, they are having problems tonight
[20:07] <sflr> we can leave it for tomorrow. no rush.
[20:07] <inetpro> done
[20:07] <inetpro> luckily kilos asked me to help the other day
[20:08] <inetpro> sflr: ^^
[20:08] <sflr> yay its working :)
[20:08] <sflr> thanks inetpro
[20:08] <inetpro> sflr: np
[20:09] <inetpro> sorry, I been busy with other thingys the whole evening
[20:15] <sflr> yeah me too :)
[21:10] <Kerbero> is it only our network or is our loving mirror.ac.za down again?
[21:19] <sflr> it seems down Kerbero
[21:23] <Kerbero> o ok
[21:23] <Kerbero> hopefully Symmetria knows