[00:01] <knome> ochosi, http://typewith.me/p/Ew1RtC2xCS
[00:10] <GridCube> :( it not loading
[00:11] <knome> yeah, it just went mad.
[00:11] <knome> let's wait some hours
[00:11] <knome> it'll surely come back
[00:11] <knome> if not, i'll type it again
[00:11] <knome> but not with ".me"
[00:21] <GridCube> :)
[00:22]  * knome just ate some *wonderful* bread
[00:22]  * knome burrrrps
[00:22] <knome> oopsie
[07:12] <astraljava> knome: Good to know, but are there instructions on how to use it? It's not very... obvious. :)
[07:12] <astraljava> knome: Also, can you fill in for today's QA roundtable? I'm most likely unavailable, though not 100% certain, yet.
[07:16] <astraljava> knome: Oh, and one more thing. Could you please refrain from burping into the channel. The stench is unbearable, and stays for ages.
[08:00] <knome> astraljava, can you remind me - to use what?
[08:01] <knome> astraljava, umgh, what time was the QA roundtable? was that 19 local?
[08:01] <knome> astraljava, and; no.
[08:01] <knome> :P
[08:01] <astraljava> :D
[08:02] <astraljava> The minutes-miracle-worker.
[08:02] <knome> aha. well, you still need to be able to use common sense. to use it, just put in a date, like 2012-06-21, and press create
[08:02] <knome> it will forward you to an "edit page" view, with all the headers in place
[08:03] <knome> i could possibly add some examples on how content is supposed to be formatted under those, if it'd help
[08:04] <astraljava> Nah. It just seemed like all you needed to do was add some data (yes, a date), and voilá, there you have it. No indication of it being a multi-step process. Fine, I'll work it out next week. :)
[08:04] <knome> no, it's not that easy, at least yet.
[08:05] <knome> we'd need to get AlanBell convinced to fix and push changes to meetingology, so it could produce exactly the output we want
[08:05] <knome> at that point, i don't think we would be far from meetingology posting the minutes automatically
[08:07] <knome> meetingology isn't perfect as it is by any means really; it doesn't even format the lists for items in meetings correctly :(
[08:07] <meetingology> knome: Error: "isn't" is not a valid command.
[08:07] <astraljava> Yeah well, I suppose if we file bugs, we're more than welcome to go code it ourselves, too. *smirk* 
[08:08] <knome> i'll talk with AlanBell now
[08:09] <knome> astraljava, /join #meetingology
[08:31] <knome> astraljava, i'm assuming you have followed the discussion on ubuntu-release ML?
[08:34] <knome> anyway, uh, i'm not completely sure if i can make the QA roundtable either
[08:34] <knome> but i'll try
[08:36] <astraljava> knome: I don't think I have, what discussion might you be referring to?
[08:41] <knome> the "milestones without freezes", especially the last mails between scottk and jono
[08:42] <knome> anyway, i'm off
[08:42] <knome> see you later, and let's follow-up on that ^ discussion
[08:44] <astraljava> Ok.
[09:09] <ochosi> madnick: ping
[09:33] <astraljava> knome: Ok, I read a few emails on that thread. I'm thinking someone's doing a very big thing out of nothing. I don't particularly care what vanilla decides to do. We can try to accommodate whatever process they're choosing, if we can't, then we do things Our Way™.
[09:33] <astraljava> I don't really feel like partaking in that conversation, unless something really dramatically ticks me off. So far, hasn't.
[09:35] <knome> well, did you read the last comments?
[09:35] <knome> looks like there's going to be no support for the community really.
[09:35] <knome> at least if jono gets to decide
[09:36] <knome> so it's back to "mind your own business" -mode, now that i'm not saying he's not awesome.
[09:39] <knome> ochosi, http://typewith.me/p/Ew1RtC2xCS seems to work again.
[09:39] <ochosi> madnick: where's that key of yours and the lp-push! :)
[09:39] <ochosi> bbl
[09:39] <knome> hf
[09:48] <astraljava> Err... no, that's how it's always been. Nick throws these QA community meetings, where he coordinates those flavors that want assistance in theirs. But I don't think there's ever been a mandate that they have to do it.
[09:48] <knome> aha
[09:48] <knome> i'm thinking jono doesn't know that then
[09:49] <knome> anyway
[09:49] <knome> fsst
[09:49] <astraljava> Let me read that message once more, to be sure I didn't miss anything. I really only glanced through, as I'm sort of busy at work anyway.
[09:49] <astraljava> Just for clarification, which one let you into this understanding?
[09:49] <knome> i can't remember
[09:49] <knome> let me see
[09:50] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001409.html
[09:50] <knome> the first comment;
[09:50] <knome> I don't think it is unreasonable for Canonical to focus its resources
[09:50] <knome> on Ubuntu as opposed to the flavors.
[09:50] <knome> and;
[09:50] <knome> Other people are welcome to coordinate testing
[09:50] <knome> campaigns and get others interested and excited about testing, but
[09:50] <knome> Nick's focus is explicitly on the Ubuntu ISOs.
[09:50] <knome> well, is it really??
[09:52] <astraljava> Yes, it is. Notice the word 'ISO'. He does care about others' processes, mind you.
[09:53] <astraljava> But I tend to agree, how could he possibly take care of all the flavors, too?
[09:53] <knome> well of course he can't, and isn't expected
[09:53] <astraljava> I really see no problems here.
[09:54] <knome> no, not a problem
[09:54] <knome> pointing you just to make sure you are aware of this
[09:55] <knome> and if you probably want to take some action :)
[09:55] <astraljava> Oh ok. Yeah, to me, nothing of this comes off as a surprise. I don't (yet) get the feel that something's being taken away from us.
[09:55] <knome> yup, that's true
[09:56] <astraljava> Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but if Nick continues to chair (or at least somehow organize) those QA community meetings, and let's us participate (if not really direct) in the QA process (relating to tools and methods and whatnot), I'm fine.
[12:14] <astraljava> pleia2: If you have time today, at 1600 UTC, there's the QA roundtable meeting which I cannot participate in, sadly. gnome wasn't sure, either. If you could, it'd rawk muchly.
[12:14] <astraljava> I'm gonna go now for several hours.
[13:36] <ochosi> madnick: ?
[14:03] <madnick> ochosi: yeah sorry I was talking to people about production
[14:03] <madnick> They closed at 4 tho :)
[14:06] <ochosi> ok
[14:06] <ochosi> madnick: well if you have a chance to push, i'd love to push you to push! :)
[14:06] <madnick> ochosi: oh, i did push
[14:07] <ochosi> oh nice :)
[14:07] <ochosi> i just returned to the office half an hour ago, havent checked yet
[14:07] <madnick> Now I fear the wrath of people because I have no idea about the license
[14:07] <ochosi> i already selected gpl3
[14:07] <ochosi> because that's the license of unity-greeter
[14:08] <madnick> yeah, but do we have to push license text files onto lp?
[14:11] <madnick> pushed it, but it feels like a wasteful commit :P
[15:13] <ochosi> madnick: i'd simply follow unity-greeter in that
[15:13] <ochosi> i think that what works for them should work for us
[15:13] <ochosi> anyway, please let me or knome know if you need images (like xubuntu-logo)
[15:14] <madnick> ochosi: will do
[15:15] <ochosi> madnick: also: we should closely monitor unity-greeter until 12.10beta or something for important changes/improvements that we could pull
[15:16] <madnick> okay :)
[15:27] <hobgoblin> question - if I have previously reported bugs against dailies and they are still present - note them on the tracker still? 
[15:28] <hobgoblin> I assume I should
[15:33] <ochosi> madnick: do you think we can make some kind of a schedule for the features on the whiteboard?
[15:33] <ochosi> i mean just some kind of ETA so knome and i know when to ping/remind you ;)
[15:39] <madnick> ochosi: midsummer + production meetings comming up, I mean, I will begin next week, but I don't think I will be done next friday
[15:40] <ochosi> madnick: ok. well i assume that re-arranging the loginbox and replacing the logo/background will be rather easy
[15:40] <ochosi> madnick: g-s-d will most likely be the tricky part, no?
[15:40] <madnick> Yes, not gsd but xfsettingsd
[15:41] <ochosi> yeah, i know
[15:41] <ochosi> just wondering: what is gsd used for in unity-greeter?
[15:41] <ochosi> i mean: what does it _do_
[15:41] <ochosi> (i know it's somehow related to the top panel indicators)
[15:43] <madnick> ochosi: yeah
[15:43] <madnick> settings
[15:43] <ochosi> k, but what kind of?
[15:43] <madnick> tons, keyboard, background, xrandr, mouse
[15:43] <madnick> sound
[15:44] <madnick> notications, well, what isnt it used for? :)
[15:44] <ochosi> yeah, but we really don't need all that in the greeter
[15:44] <madnick> nope
[15:44] <ochosi> we can scrape at least half of them
[15:45] <madnick> dont acctually *need* any :P
[15:46] <ochosi> would it be more manageable to just get rid of it in the first place, align the login-box and set the correct bg until next friday?
[15:46] <madnick> sure
[15:46] <ochosi> and the in a second step re-consider what we really _need_ and _want_ there
[15:46] <ochosi> maybe power-management and language support wouldn't be a mistake
[15:46] <ochosi> but sound-settings are really over-the-top
[15:49] <madnick> ochosi: what do you mean by power management?
[15:49] <madnick> Shutdown/Reboot/Sleep, or something more elaborate?
[15:49] <ochosi> well firstly those things, yes
[15:49] <ochosi> but secondly something like xfpm
[15:49] <madnick> Those things can be done without any help from stuff such as this
[15:49] <madnick> liblightdm provides those
[15:50] <ochosi> i.e. that if you run out of battery and you've set xfpm to get suspend on critical battery-status...
[15:51] <madnick> ochosi: so dbus?
[15:52] <ochosi> i'm not sure what kind of interfaces xfpm has
[15:52] <ochosi> but anyway, that is probably a bit far-fetched
[15:52] <ochosi> let's go for having what we have in gtk-greeter feature-wise first
[15:53] <madnick> okay
[15:55] <ochosi> ok, i gotta go now
[15:55] <ochosi> i'll check in with you on monday or tuesday
[15:55] <ochosi> or maybe knome will
[15:55] <ochosi> i definitely am away and without internet over the weekend
[15:57] <madnick> okay
[15:57] <madnick> :(
[15:57] <madnick> Cya on monday/tue then :)
[15:57] <ochosi> yup!
[15:58] <ochosi> :)
[15:58] <ochosi> have a nice weekend and if you have questions before mon/tue ping knome ;D
[16:06] <madnick> same :)
[16:10] <pleia2> hm, QA roundtable is not in -meeting I guess?
[16:13] <pleia2> maybe in -testing
[16:15] <madnick> pleia2: Its odd because, I usually get tons of emails about that, but this week I only got Kernel (who were not attending) and Hardware
[16:15] <madnick> And ours
[16:15] <pleia2> I just got astraljava say "pleia2, go to this meeting, thx" :)
[16:16] <madnick> Yeah, it was usually in -meeting, everytime I've been at them
[16:16] <madnick> always acctually
[16:16] <pleia2> the CC meeting is in an hour so maybe they were concerned about conflict
[16:17]  * pleia2 shrugs
[16:17] <pleia2> they seem to be doing it in -testing though :)
[16:18] <madnick> pleia2: just a question
[16:18] <madnick> for me it was usually on fridays
[16:18] <madnick> Maybe the day is wrong?
[16:18] <pleia2> I have no idea
[16:19] <pleia2> they are doing some kind of meeting with a UTAH demo though
[16:19] <madnick> pleia2: found it :) "20120620 People present (lines said) astraljava (37) "
[16:20] <pleia2> oooh, the meeting here?
[16:20] <pleia2> sorry, got confused
[16:20] <madnick> pleia2: no sorry, they seem to have changed days
[16:20] <madnick> Until wednesday
[16:21] <madnick> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[16:21] <madnick> I realize I am sorta rambling, but I have not sleept a lot this week :)
[16:22] <pleia2> yeah, this must be some bonus meeting
[19:06] <knome> astraljava, sorry, i couldn't attend the meeting
[19:06] <knome> astraljava, was damn tired and actually i went to sleep when the meeting started
[19:11] <pleia2> I idled, but couldn't pay much attention (work + CC meeting)
[19:12] <knome> i'm on the log
[19:29] <Unit193> I had planned on doing testing this week, but as the computer with Virtualbox (and the ISOs) has a seemingly unrecoverable partition failure, I don't think I'll be able to help with A2. :/
[19:34]  * hobgoblin did one for Unit193 
[19:35] <knome> Unit193, that's okay
[19:35] <Unit193> Not exactly, but it'll have to do.
[21:14] <astraljava> madnick: That was a different meeting. The one you were thinking of is release. This was QA roundtable. :)
[21:15] <knome> astraljava, hey :)
[21:15] <knome> astraljava, i got access to the testcase admin.
[21:15] <astraljava> Sweet.
[21:15] <knome> astraljava, you should ask balloons to add you to ~ubuntu-testcase too
[21:15] <astraljava> On it.
[21:15] <knome> great
[21:18] <astraljava> So what, you went to sleep at 7 pm? Are you sick‽
[21:18] <astraljava> I'd understand if that was am. :D
[21:22] <knome> i took 1 hour nap
[21:23] <astraljava> Yeah ok. :)
[21:23] <astraljava> I'm considering on whether to go to sleep or wait for the Irene Huss flick starting in 1.6 hours.
[21:23] <knome> the.. what?
[21:24] <astraljava> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1825823/
[21:24] <knome> hmm, not very highly rated
[21:24] <astraljava> Not really. But they're usually pretty good. And I'm fairly sure those ratings are very US-centric.
[21:24] <knome> of course.
[21:24] <astraljava> Besides, she's hawt.
[21:25] <knome> well, if there's nothing scheduled for tomorrow, why not
[21:28] <astraljava> There's plenty; Bookmark to ubuntustudio.org in Firefox, Implement actor / alien centering option, display settings tweak.
[21:29] <astraljava> Actually, add there the Xchat default channel.
[21:29] <knome> yeah, but nothing actually *scheduled*
[21:29] <knome> astraljava, i suppose that's for both flavors O:)
[21:29] <astraljava> I don't think I understand.
[21:29] <astraljava> Well if you want.
[21:29] <knome> you haven't written a minute-based timetable for you, have you
[21:29] <astraljava> What makes you say that?
[21:29] <knome> i know you.
[21:30] <astraljava> bah
[21:54] <astraljava> Whee, that rolling-release-instead-of-milestones thread is getting out of hand. I better not touch it until I've slept a little.