[07:33]  * agateau answers day old irc pings now
[07:33] <agateau> shadeslayer: yes, I am coming to Akademy
[07:34] <agateau> Riddell: I've been exclusively using lightdm-kde for a long time now, I consider it solid. It still lacks the lock-after-autologin feature from kdm though, but I know David Edmundson has a plan for it, ping him.
[07:36] <agateau> yofel_: that bug with the lightdm classic greeter is probably due to a bug in the plasma components it uses. In the "User Bar" theme we actually have fixed copies of the TextField component to fix keyboard handling
[07:36] <agateau> yofel_: the fixes are in KDE 4.9, so it should work correctly there
[07:39] <Riddell> agateau: did you see the bugs which debfx had?
[07:40] <agateau> Riddell: mmm no
[07:40] <Riddell> by default it wants to log into a previous session which doesn't work
[07:40] <agateau> oh
[07:40] <agateau> I haven't been active on lightdm for a while now, it may be fixed already
[07:41] <agateau> but I remember something like this
[07:41]  * agateau checks
[07:41] <Riddell> agateau: can you get the language box to contain some options?  it's entirely empty for me
[07:42] <agateau> Riddell: oh yes, that one as well
[07:44] <agateau> Riddell: reading the log of david work right now: he "fixed" the language box by removing it
[10:15] <Riddell> ug Debian's owncloud packages don't install mysql and don't set up a mysql database for you
[10:20] <shadeslayer> agateau: awesome, you can teach me everything about KSNI and App Indicator
[10:20] <agateau> shadeslayer: first thing to learn: KSNI == App Indicator
[10:20] <shadeslayer> right, knew that :P
[10:20] <Riddell> ug and then it doesn't even set up right
[10:20] <agateau> shadeslayer: there I just reduced your teaching to half :)
[10:20] <shadeslayer> haha
[10:59] <jussi> Riddell: I find kamerka much lighter and nicer UI IMHO. However, it does not (yet) do video. 
[10:59] <jussi> (in regards to the seed change)
[11:00] <Riddell> can't say I've heard of it
[11:02] <jussi> !info kamerka
[11:02] <jussi> Riddell: install and try it
[11:04] <jussi> Riddell: iirc, Kamerka is written with QML
[11:05] <Riddell> mm, shiny indeed
[11:05] <Riddell> afiestas_: how do you think they compare?
[11:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: don't forget about kde-telepathy message-indicator!
[11:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ofcourse not, I've deferred it till Akademy where I'll talk to agateau about implementation details
[11:20] <shadeslayer> then I'll have a better idea of what needs to be done
[11:20] <apachelogger> talking about deferred
[11:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have data yet?
[11:20]  * shadeslayer runs off to /dev/null
[11:22] <Riddell> data?
[11:22] <shadeslayer> I sent you the data, but you were not satisfied, I also have lost interest in gathering said data
[11:22]  * shadeslayer is on a coding spree
[11:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw call ui now has phonon integration as well, but the phonon KCM is all sorts of broken
[11:23] <shadeslayer> kde bug 302308 
[11:23] <apachelogger> the phonon kcm was designed to support runtime backend switching == the phonon kcm is broken by design
[11:24] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fix eet
[11:24]  * apachelogger was under the impression the pulse overlay does plug listening
[11:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, you are working on runtime anyway
[11:24] <shadeslayer> wait ... I am? when did that happen
[11:24] <apachelogger> you just need to register to some pulse signal or osmething
[11:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kio streaming?
[11:30] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[11:30] <shadeslayer> Seems like I've got my hands in too many things :P
[11:32] <apachelogger> srsly? :P
[11:32]  * Peace- has compiled ffmpeg successfully on quantal
[11:32]  * Peace- happ
[11:32] <Peace-> y*
[11:33]  * apachelogger tired and sticky
[11:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: order shower
[11:33]  * kubotu slides shower down the bar to apachelogger
[11:33]  * Peace- feel sorry for apachelogger
[11:33] <apachelogger> pff
[11:33] <Peace-> feels
[11:34] <apachelogger> yesterday it was like super hawt, then it started raining now it is super hawt and super humid
[11:36] <Peace-> here there is 39 degree
[11:36] <Peace-> wtf
[11:38] <shadeslayer> hah!
[11:39] <shadeslayer> It's something like 45 degrees here
[11:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw I still couldn't get the KIO stuff to work
[11:45] <shadeslayer> I didn't get the right debug messages
[11:46] <shadeslayer> I'll look into it next week
[11:47]  * apachelogger points out htat 4.9 is closing in :/
[11:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, what's with the data?
[11:47] <shadeslayer> not really interested :(
[11:48] <apachelogger> good thing I waited 2 or was it 3 months then
[11:48] <apachelogger> <- not happy, not at all
[11:48] <shadeslayer> yeah, sorry about that 
[11:48] <Riddell> what data is this?
[11:48]  * shadeslayer is not motivated enough to collect data
[11:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: data about where we spend most of our dev time
[11:48] <shadeslayer> and where we can improve
[11:49] <Riddell> mm, tricksy
[11:51] <apachelogger> well then
[11:51] <apachelogger> how about some mangement overhead? :D
[11:54] <Riddell> not something kubuntu has ever had is that
[11:54] <apachelogger> just about time
[12:05] <shadeslayer> any ideas what library I should link against for kdeui and kdecore?
[12:05] <shadeslayer> -lkdeui -lkdecore doesn't seem to be working
[12:05] <Riddell> mm, libkdeui and libkdecore?
[12:05] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:05] <Riddell> in cmake?
[12:06] <shadeslayer> configure.in ...
[12:06] <shadeslayer> don't ask ...
[12:06] <Riddell> umm
[12:07] <Riddell> well /usr/lib/libkdecore.so and /usr/lib/libkdeui.so are there
[12:07] <shadeslayer> like I said .. don't ask :P
[12:07] <shadeslayer> yeah, the project was linking against kdeui and kdecore
[12:07] <shadeslayer> was missing libs
[12:40] <apachelogger> braindumps ftw
[12:42]  * markey dumps brain
[12:43] <markey> mmmmh brainz
[12:47] <apachelogger> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/zombie-apocalypse-are-bath-salts-to-blame/2012/06/07/gJQAsYL3LV_blog.html
[13:10] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[16:23] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1005677] Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widg... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1005677 (by Doug McMahon)
[16:50] <ScottK> BTW, Debian finally uploaded kde4libs 4.8.4 to Unstable, so that's a good source of what patches are really needed if someone wants to resume work on 4.8.4 for precise.
[16:57] <debfx> ScottK: 4.8.4 is already in the updates PPA
[16:58] <debfx> we should probably lift it to -proposed soon
[16:58] <ScottK> debfx: With the fixed kde4libs?
[16:58] <debfx> yes
[16:59] <ScottK> Ah.  Let's go then.
[16:59] <ScottK> If someone can upload them, I'm in ubuntu-sru now, so I can accept them.
[17:02]  * debfx has another look at kubuntu-ppa bugs first
[17:06] <debfx> I suppose we don't have a script to push packages from the updates ppa to -proposed?
[17:06] <debfx> yofel_, Riddell ^
[17:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[17:10] <shadeslayer> afaik no
[17:47] <BluesKaj_> later all , stuff to do
[20:07] <yofel_> debfx: afaik no, at least not from me
[20:08] <yofel_> can you cherry pick http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kdelibs.git&a=commit&h=808914aff663636e602fd6b60d6040bf0001e462 btw. ? That really removes the Hibernate button from plasma 
[20:11] <genii-around> Perhaps someone may know offhand.. if there is some known bug with 3.4,3.5 64 bit kernels and Atom N450. I get odd error messages.
[20:22] <yofel_> #ubuntu+1 would be more helpful I guess
[20:23] <shadeslayer> or for that matter, #ubuntu-kernel
[20:25] <genii-around> Hm
[20:52] <debfx> yofel: to precise?
[20:52] <yofel> yes, for 4.9 it'll be in rc1
[20:52] <yofel> but we got bug reports about hibernate not working as we disabling it in policykit, and plasma ignored that
[20:52] <yofel> *we're
[20:53] <yofel> er, solid ignored it
[20:53] <debfx> appShouldConserveResources() is called to check if hibernation is allowed?
[20:54] <yofel> wait
[20:55] <yofel> debfx: sorry, I'm too tired today -.- I meant http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=c78a108ae304a42c0507f2ae962ba186f10426f6
[20:56] <yofel> thanks a lot for taking a look
[20:57] <debfx> that looks more plausible ;)
[20:57] <debfx> I wonder what that kdelibs commit fixes, the commit message is not very verbose
[21:14] <Ezim> why are not kubuntu-netrunner working togheter? netrunner developer is same person that also is behind blue system. correct?
[21:16] <BluesKaj> Ezim, yup
[21:17] <Ezim> BluesKaj: good. then drop kubuntu and join netrunner :)... maybe leave buntu based and go over to debian.
[21:18] <BluesKaj> Ezim, I tried netrunner ..it's ok , but nothing special from what could see. A stable kubuntu based OS 
[21:19] <Ezim> BluesKaj: it is kubuntu :). I know that. but why netrunner-kubuntu, when same company supports both.
[21:19] <BluesKaj> pretty plain vanilla , nothing exciting going on
[21:20] <BluesKaj> stability is the philosophy , I believe
[21:21] <Ezim> BluesKaj: stability is good, then why not direct base kubuntu on debian?
[21:22] <BluesKaj> dunno , it's a compiliation of tried and true apps and driver for ppl who don't want any "issues".
[21:23] <Ezim> BluesKaj: driver and apps are avaible in debian to :)
[21:23] <BluesKaj> debian's permissions system is goofy
[21:23] <Ezim> almost everything that buntu uses comes from upstream and often that is debian.
[21:25] <BluesKaj> Ezim, you can say the same thing about ubuntu all of it's derivatives
[21:25] <Ezim> BluesKaj: :) yeah my question was towards kubuntu, not the other buntu.
[21:26] <BluesKaj> well, it's kde , some ppl prefer kde to the other desktops
[21:27] <Ezim> BluesKaj: exactly. :)
[21:27] <ScottK> Ezim: Kubuntu is stability, but not acient.
[21:27] <Ezim> ScottK: debian testing is also stable and not acient :).
[21:27] <ScottK> If you want to run KDE 4.4 in 2012, then Debian Squeeze is a good choice.
[21:28] <BluesKaj> netrunner doesmn't use some of the default kubuntu apps , it even uses some gtk apps by default
[21:28] <ScottK> That's a mix of 4.7 and 4.8 right now.
[21:38] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1011400] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: lectura insuficiente en buf... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011400 (by Manuel)
[21:41] <debfx> kubotu: why do you only post useless bug reports?
[21:52] <debfx> yofel: is there a launchpad bug for the polkit hibernation issue?
[21:52] <shadeslayer> pkgkde-symbolshelper seems a bit busted
[21:54] <yofel> debfx: bug 989652 against kubuntu-ppa is what I remember
[21:59] <debfx> ok
[22:24] <shadeslayer> I've been meaning to ask, what does this : +#MISSING: 0.4.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1# _ZN6Attica8Metadata7PrivateD1Ev@Base 0.4.0 : signify?
[22:25] <shadeslayer> the MISSING part I mean
[22:25] <shadeslayer> nvm ... debian has docs on this :|