[01:59] <pleia2> greg-g: there is a tiny team working on it (really, I think it's just AlanBell) and moin syntax is hard, I'm sure he'd welcome help fixing it up :) https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/meetingology
[02:00] <bkerensa> ¡ʎɐp ʎɯ suınɹ uıoɯ
[04:37] <greg-g> pleia2: I'll take a look at it, it seems straight forward to me (the changes needed) but, things are never as simple as they seem :)
[05:28] <AlanBell> greg-g: there are some others interested in fixing it too, join #meetingology
[05:56] <jono> AlanBell, did I imagine this or did you create a spec for real world accomplishments?
[06:26] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/AccomplishmentIdeas/HumanVerified
[06:27] <AlanBell> made some ideas for them
[06:27] <AlanBell> depends on some human verified facility being closer to existing
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:57] <hobgoblin> hi dholbach
[06:58] <dholbach> hi hobgoblin
[09:19] <popey> wondered why this channel was quiet.. I was in #ubuntu-commnuity-team
[09:19] <popey> AlanBell, pad.ubuntu.com eats cpu in chrome.. have you noticed this?
[09:19] <popey> makes my cpu go to 100% and becomes unusable
[09:20] <popey> bah, not just pad.ubuntu.com - all pads do it, ignore me
[09:21] <AlanBell> works fine for me in chromium
[09:22] <popey> Version 21.0.1180.0 dev
[09:22] <AlanBell> is chrome any different to chromium from your point of view?
[09:22] <AlanBell> 18.0.1025.168 (Developer Build 134367 Linux) Built on Ubuntu 12.04, running on Ubuntu 12.10
[09:22] <popey> it has a nicer icon
[09:23] <AlanBell> yeah, that seems to be the primary reason people select chrome
[09:23] <AlanBell> I quite like the chromium icon
[09:24] <popey> hmm, seems fine in chromium, I'll use that
[14:33] <bkerensa> Morning
[14:33] <jcastro> jono: hey, check the accomplishment server
[14:33] <jcastro> I bet I pegged it
[14:33] <jcastro> My ubuntuone caught up and it spent like 3 minutes giving me accomplishments, heh
[14:33] <jono> jcastro, it is fine, why?
[14:33] <jono> lol
[14:33] <jcastro> hey so, if anyone asks, the append thing in notify-osd works awesome
[14:33] <jcastro> it gave me like at least 20 iirc
[14:35] <jono> jcastro, sweet :-)
[14:35] <jono> makes it a lot nicer for the first run when you get a bunch of trophies
[14:35] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:36] <jono> hey dholbach
[14:36] <dholbach> how's life over there?
[14:36] <jcastro> it's the first time I've seen append in notify-osd
[14:36] <jcastro> it's pretty awesome
[14:37] <jono> dholbach, all good thanks :-)
[14:37] <jono> woke up early naturally as opposed to be the alarm
[14:37] <jono> oddly :-)
[14:37] <jono> jcastro, :-)
[14:38] <mhall119> jcastro: I showed append in notify-osd in my Hello-Unity demos, now I know you weren't paying any attention :(
[14:40] <jcastro> mhall119: you didn't do like 30 in a row!
[14:40] <jcastro> I mean seeing it work in an app
[14:48] <mhall119> oh, so hello-unity isn't an app now?
[14:48] <jcastro> hah come on man, why you bustin my chops
[14:50] <mhall119> because it's Friday
[14:50] <mhall119> :)
[14:56] <jcastro> we meet in ~5 min?
[14:57] <jono> yup
[14:57] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, balloons, dpm, mhall119 all set?
[14:57] <jcastro> yup typ
[14:57] <balloons> dualing monitors and meetings, check
[14:58] <dholbach> yep
[14:58] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, balloons, dpm, mhall119 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f735b0a7da1bd56528ca495e4703a1689ade487d?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[14:59] <dpm> jono, I'll be a couple of minutes late, but I'll be there
[15:39] <paultag> Hey, pleia2 / czajkowski / other CC folks who happen to be here -- Can someone talk with GitHub about getting https://github.com/Ubuntu under Ubuntu control? http://github.com/Debian was just reclaimed by Debian, and I think it'd be neat if Ubuntu had an official unofficial org on GitHub as well.
[15:40] <paultag> you can even add a README.Ubuntu (or something) like Debian has explaining that people should use LP instead, but if they have to engage with upstreams via GitHub, that this might be an OK place to do it
[15:41] <paultag> in any case, the Ubuntu account is a Trademark violation if it's not under Ubuntnu control :)
[15:49] <AlanBell> paultag: that looks entirely harmless
[15:51] <paultag> AlanBell: that's not the point, it's like parking Ubuntu.net
[15:51] <paultag> which may be "harmless", but you can't slack on trademark enforcement.
[15:51] <paultag> Also, it would be nice to have.
[15:56]  * greg-g nods in agreement
[16:07] <pleia2> paultag: probably something better for the Tech Board
[16:07] <pleia2> since they manage all the dev stuff
[16:07] <paultag> pleia2: ack, thanks.
[16:25] <jcastro> <-- lunching
[16:29] <jono> paultag, why do we need to control it?
[16:29] <jono> particularly if right now it is not blocking work?
[16:29] <jono> this isnt a tech board thing in my mind as this does not relate technical policy which is their purvue
[16:30] <paultag> jono: I'd like to have used it for if I need to fork / work on github as an Ubuntu member, but it's not urgent. I saw it when I looked, and figured you'd like to know
[16:30] <jono> if anything this is a trademarks thing
[16:30] <paultag> since people can't buy ubuntu.*
[16:30] <jono> thanks paultag
[16:30] <paultag> even though it won't block anything
[16:30] <jono> paultag, if anything this should go to trademarks@ubuntu.com to resolve Ubuntu namespace issues
[16:30] <paultag> plus, it'd be a generally nice thing to do :)
[16:30] <dholbach> alright my friends - I'll walk out into the weekend - have a great one yourself! :)
[16:30] <paultag> yeah, I figured. I was hoping a friendly email to GitHub would be easier :)
[16:30] <paultag> dholbach: o//
[16:31] <paultag> they did it for Debian quickly and without much issue
[16:33] <bkerensa> paultag: yeah generally most services and sites only require a e-mail from someone who holds a e-mail under the same namespace (domain)
[16:33] <paultag> that was the case for Debian
[16:33] <paultag> and I figured since it was so quick and easy, and a generally good idea, we might be interested
[16:33] <paultag> but it seems like not so much
[16:33] <paultag> I'll poke the TB, but I see y'all don't really care :)
[16:33] <paultag> so, namesquatter ahoy :)
[16:34] <bkerensa> I think its a good idea... further it would be nice if Xubuntu had @Xubuntu on twitter
[16:34] <bkerensa> which also would only require an e-mail :P
[17:20] <jcastro> lol
[17:20] <jcastro> "I have 30 houses, 10 women, 10 different jobs (5 illegal). Why should i create an app?"
[17:20] <jcastro> man, some of these apps look awesome
[17:20] <jcastro> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/06/ubuntu-app-showdown-progress
[17:27] <jcastro> jono: ah here we go, 69 new app-dev questions this week
[17:27] <jono> jcastro, sweet!
[17:27] <jcastro> 12 asked today
[17:27] <jcastro> 359 all time
[17:36] <dpm> jcastro, nice!
[17:42] <mhall119> jcastro: awesome
[18:33] <jcastro> man
[18:33] <jcastro> http://imagebin.org/217482
[18:33] <jcastro> look at this one
[18:33] <jcastro> it's a desktop integration thing for gdocs
[18:33] <jcastro> that is /awesome/
[20:03] <greg-g> jono: just a warning, but you missed some important aspects of communication and community in that post that will come across as you not getting it.
[20:03] <jono> greg-g, I am sure
[20:03] <jono> and that is fine
[20:03] <jono> I am not expecting everyone to agree with me
[20:03] <greg-g> sort of
[20:03] <jono> I am just one opinion
[20:03]  * AlanBell will make a resolution to offend jono on an irregular basis
[20:04] <greg-g> I think that exhibits one of things you are not mentioning in the post
[20:04] <jono> AlanBell, lulz
[20:04] <jono> greg-g, what exhibits what?
[20:04] <greg-g> "I am just one opinion"
[20:04] <greg-g> power dyanmics
[20:04] <jono> what do you mean?
[20:05] <greg-g> I assume you have read some of the current writings on tech culture and its fit with minority groups and why certain aspects are not welcoming?
[20:05] <greg-g> I mean, this post didn't come out of no where
[20:05] <jono> sure
[20:06] <greg-g> so, a big part of those writings is about power dynamics, in fact, that is a crux to many
[20:06] <jono> but what does me saying my opinion is just one view have to do with that?
[20:06] <greg-g> who are you, jono? what role do you play, what is your context in this situation/community?
[20:06] <greg-g> what (oh my god, here it comes) privileged position are you speaking from?
[20:07] <paultag> Mr. Bacon
[20:07] <greg-g> these are important questions that do in fact lead us to talk about power dynamics and why one opinion is not just one opinion
[20:08] <jono> greg-g, I agree I have influence in Ubuntu because of my position, but my point is that it is just one view
[20:08] <greg-g> so, all I want to say is: by speaking in a cultural reletivist tone, you ignore the fact that offense does happen, and harassment does happen in drive by situations (think: construction worker harassing woman walking by)
[20:08] <jono> greg-g, I am a bit confused about what point you are making
[20:08] <jono> hey paultag
[20:10] <bkerensa> jono: I thought it was a great post.
[20:10] <jono> thanks bkerensa
[20:12] <greg-g> all in all, good points, be aware of the social situation etc, but by not mentioning power dynamics and emphasizing the "one person, one opinion" trope, it really misses the mark of the current discourse around this topic
[20:13] <jono> greg-g, I don't think that just because I am a leader in Ubuntu that my opinion should have any more weight than anyone elses
[20:14] <jono> if some people give it more weight because of that, that is their own issue
[20:15] <greg-g> so, kinda missed the point again, the last phrase is the important part of my sentence. Heck, just remove the point about opinions and reread the sentence :)
[20:15] <greg-g> all in all, good points, be aware of the social situation etc, but by not mentioning power dynamics, it really misses the mark of the current discourse around this topic
[20:15] <jono> greg-g, but what are power dynamics in your mind?
[20:16] <greg-g> more importantly, what are they in yours?
[20:16] <jono> greg-g, I think there are always dynamics
[20:17] <jono> such as a position in the community someone has, experience level, gender, where they live etc
[20:18] <jono> I have seen people write about the concept of being "privileged", e.g. me being a white male, but I often see that within the context of "you have your opinion because you are privileged" which I find condescending
[20:18] <jono> I am not denying I have privilage
[20:18] <jono> and I don't face some of the challenges that others face (e.g. I don't face the same issues that many women in Open Source face)
[20:19] <jono> but I don't see my privilage as being something that undermines my opinions and message
[20:20] <greg-g> if I s/undermines/influences/ would you agree?
[20:21] <IdleOne> I am not sure what post started this thread but I agree with jono that just because I am a white male doesn't mean I can't sympathize or understand issues that "minorities" might have
[20:22] <greg-g> I don't think anyone said anything of the sort
[20:22] <greg-g> especially not me
[20:22] <jono> greg-g, I think everything will influence me, so I don't deny that my privilage will influence me too, but I also don't see it as disconnecting me from the experiences of others
[20:23] <jono> greg-g, likewise, someone who is the inverse of privilaged (unprivilaged? :-) ) will have their views shaped
[20:23] <greg-g> jono: I think I should just leave it with: be aware of your influences, whatever those may be, and how those influence might change your opinion/behavior, then, see how others might understand your choices/opinions/behavior in their context.
[20:23] <jono> I think there is risk on both sides of either privilage or lack of it of not seeing thing for what they are, but it takes concious thought to be concious of the wider horizon
[20:24] <jono> greg-g, I agree
[20:24] <greg-g> which is kind of what you said in your post,..... right
[20:24] <greg-g> :)
[20:24] <jono> :-)
[20:26] <jono> IdleOne, for context: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/22/harassment-vs-offense/
[20:27]  * hobgoblin just read that 
[20:27] <hobgoblin> I understand what both were saying - but really want to know if that's Schrödinger's cat
[20:29] <paultag> jono: Oh, I wasn't actually trying to ping you, just riffing off greg-g
[20:30] <jono> paultag, oh lol
[20:30] <greg-g> paultag: :)
[20:35] <IdleOne> jono: was reading as you posted the link :)
[20:36] <jono> IdleOne, :-)
[20:36] <IdleOne> for the record. I agree.
[20:37] <IdleOne> what freaks me out is how google knows I am looking for Jono bacon when I type jono in the search bar
[20:37] <jono> lol
[20:38] <IdleOne> Dude, it's like your somebody special or something
[20:38] <IdleOne> :)
[20:40] <jcastro> greg-g: hey hippie, you offend me
[20:40] <IdleOne> hah
[20:47] <paultag> jcastro: you live in a state of old people
[20:49] <mhall119> jono: can you reddit http://mhall119.com/2012/06/my-app-developer-showdown-entry/ please
[20:49] <jono> mhall119, totally!
[20:50] <jono> done
[20:51] <mhall119> I'm putting it on /r/ubuntuappshowdown
[20:52] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/vgbu4/app_submission_quickly_gtk_frontend/
[21:16] <jono> mhall119, really awesome blog entry!
[21:17] <mhall119> thanks jono
[22:59] <jono> mhall119, did you see http://blog.bonik.org/2012/06/drum-machine-demo.html ?
[22:59] <jono> :-)
[23:20] <mhall119> we're getting so many apps being written, even I'm surprised by how many
[23:22] <mhall119> and quite a variety too
[23:54] <doctormon> I'm updating the classroom's planet branding. Let me know if anyone has any objections.
[23:54] <doctormon> http://imagebin.org/217515