[13:18] <inashdeen> hi, i need some help in translation, my languages is malay (ms). let say i have to translate _input file mode. in malay, it will be, mod input fail. where do put the _ ?
[13:19] <geirha> Assuming this is a gtk app, the _ indicates the mnemonic
[13:19] <geirha> with "_input file mode", alt+i will select that option from the menu
[13:20] <inashdeen> so... where to do i put the "_" on mod input fail ?
[13:20] <geirha> So you'll want to take care that you put it in-front of a character that is not already a mnemonic in that same menu
[13:21] <geirha> "mod _input fail"
[13:22] <geirha> keeps it the same as the english
[13:22] <inashdeen> i dont really understand. actually i am not a programmer. I am just a translator. I dont really understand.
[13:23] <geirha> ok, with your irc client in focus, hold down the Alt key and look at the menu-bar.
[13:23] <geirha> Do you see one character in each menu gets a line under it?
[13:25] <inashdeen> ok, thanks :) now i understand. so let say i have ( for example only), _black penguin settings. in malay it will be tetapan (settings) penguin _hitam (black). right? yes, i do get the bar.
[13:26] <geirha> inashdeen: It could also be _tetapan penguin hitam or t_etapan penguin hitam  ... you really have to look at the whole menu and see what character best fits as the mnemonic
[13:26] <geirha> If none of the others use the h, then _hitam is good
[13:26] <inashdeen> what is the whole menu?
[13:27] <geirha> inashdeen: Let's say you have a program that has a File, Edit and Help menu.
[13:27] <inashdeen> ok, I understand now. I will look into that afterward.
[13:27] <geirha> File Edit and Help must have unique mnemonics, e.g. _File _Edit and _Help.
[13:28] <inashdeen> is it like, F for file and E for edit? like that?
[13:28] <geirha> let's say you select File, then you get a dropdown with e.g. _New _Open etc, those have to be unique within that submenu, but it's ok to use E and H, even though E and H are used in the parent
[13:29] <geirha> to get to the Open there with the keyboard, you'd hit  alt+fo
[13:30] <geirha> If you have something using E in the File drop-down, you use alt+fe, which does not collide with alt+e
[13:30] <geirha> does that make sense? :)
[13:30] <inashdeen> ok, I kinda get it now. i suppose, i will stick with the based on english settings. then we run it in the system and evaluate for any error. let say there is, we will modify it accordingly. thanks.
[13:31] <geirha> yes
[13:35] <inashdeen> in second issue. I read on translator wiki that certain words are case sensitive. let say I have something like this: System Settings preferences. notice the non capital on preferences. Should it be Keutamaan (preferences) Tetapan (Settings) Sistem  or simply keutamaan Tetapan Sistem ?
[13:40] <geirha> I'd use the correct casing for your language there
[13:41] <inashdeen> Come again?
[13:41] <geirha> I don't think Settings should be capitalized even in english
[13:41] <geirha> There's no case-sensitivity issue with that string
[13:43] <geirha> Hence, in your language, write it according to your language's rules about capitalization.
[13:43] <inashdeen> ok, sorry then. hurm. let say there is a case sensitive issue and preferences (keutamaan) in my language is put infront of the word System settings ( beginning of a line), should it be capitalize or not? I need it for future refrence
[13:44] <geirha> case-sensitivity is typically an issue when there's actual code in the string
[13:45] <inashdeen> ok, i think i got it now. thanks. by the way, my language posess similar capitalization format like english. capital in front of a new line
[13:45] <geirha> In a python application, there might be something like "%(user)s is logged in."
[13:45] <inashdeen> ok,
[13:45] <geirha> in that case, %(user)s must remain as is in the translation
[13:45] <inashdeen> yes, i read that on the wiki :)
[13:46] <geirha> could you paste the url to that wiki page?
[13:47] <geirha> Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
[13:49] <inashdeen> ok thanks geirha:
[13:49] <inashdeen> here it is : https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/LaunchpadTranslators
[13:49] <inashdeen> sorry, its not a wiki, a help page. i always think of it as wiki
[13:51] <geirha> I only see something about case sensitivity for xml-tags
[14:00] <inashdeen> I don't really understand about computer language, that is why i came here to make myself understand :) I am just a medical student.
[18:46] <Oldak> Hi guys, I'm interested in participating in translating Ubuntu into Latin. This language package is restricted and does not have an oversight team, so translating is not currently possible. I'm interested in setting up an Ubuntu Latin Translators group, but ubuntu-l10n-la is dead. How should I go about requesting admin status for this group (the owner hasn't had any activity since 2006)?