[05:45] <Kilos> mornin superfly and other early risers
[05:45] <superfly> Morning Kilos
[05:45] <superfly> Been keeping well?
[05:46] <Kilos> yes ty superfly and you flies
[05:46] <Kilos> hows mommy doing
[05:47] <superfly> She's OK. Lots of pain still, and very tired all the time.
[05:47] <Kilos> eish. not too much longer
[05:48] <Kilos> last month is the worst i think
[05:48] <Kilos> hi RootChaos 
[05:49] <Kilos> did you guys get the guide outa the fortune cookie thing superfly or does it still go there?
[05:50] <Kilos> was there a permissions prob
[05:51] <superfly> Kilos: oh, yes oom. inetpro even tweeted about it for us.
[05:52] <Kilos> lol thats why i asked saw the tiny link
[05:53] <Kilos> and found pidgin has a retweet button too
[05:56] <superfly> I'm really happen someone has decided to take a keen interest in the site - I just don't have the time for it - it has a lot of potential
[05:56] <superfly> *happy
[05:57] <Kilos> yeah steve is a welcome newcomer at this time
[05:58] <Kilos> but had too chuckle about the meeting and refrain from saying "told you so"
[05:58] <Kilos> hehe
[05:58] <Kilos> told them should be a 2 hour meet
[05:59] <superfly> Hehe, yes, but it was a really good meet.
[05:59] <Kilos> yeah text was flowing so fast i had to slow xchat down by scrolling back and reading
[05:59] <Kilos> hehe
[06:00] <superfly> Long time since we've had one of those
[06:00] <Kilos> when im reading one line and next comment comes in i get lost
[06:00] <Kilos> you on the train?
[06:01] <superfly> Yup.
[06:01] <Kilos> how long is the trip each way
[06:02] <superfly> 45 minutes
[06:02] <Kilos> whew
[06:03] <Kilos> i had to come on early to tease smilyborg
[06:03] <superfly> Kilos: I'll take 45 minutes on the train over an hour or more in the traffic, wasting petrol and paying exhorbitant parking rates
[06:04] <Kilos> yeah i agree superfly . only a bike could compete but not too safe anymore
[06:04] <superfly> since I started taking the train I have spent a third, or less, of what I used to spend on petrol
[06:05] <superfly> per month.
[06:05] <Kilos> wow that helps
[06:05] <Kilos> petrol is a killer nowadays . my sis is crying too
[06:05] <superfly> Yup. "More" money to spend on baby...
[06:06] <Kilos> they say we may get a 75c per litre drop next month if all goes well
[06:06] <superfly> It's horrendous
[06:06] <superfly> Oh really? Awesome
[06:06] <Kilos> too many factors involved though i think, they like keeping it up
[06:07] <superfly> Hier kom die stasie, will chat later!
[06:07] <Kilos> go safe
[06:15] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w beatcha
[06:15] <SmilyBorg_w> Hi there
[06:16] <Kilos> my biggest traffic prob is untangling outa the bedding into the cold
[06:25] <SmilyBorg> I totaly understand that
[06:25] <Kilos> hehe
[06:31]  * superfly is at the office
[06:31] <Kilos> yay
[06:32] <superfly> breakfast and coffee
[06:32] <Kilos> there is a tweet at ubuntuza is it retweetable or not specific enough?
[06:32] <Kilos> Tool to do a 'quick and dirty' diff of two text or code fragments http://t.co/ncpdrOHl * rt
[06:34] <superfly> Kilos: use the Ubuntu-ZA Twitter account as a news tool. Unless the tweet directed at Ubuntu-ZA is about some news about Ubuntu-ZA, just leave it
[06:35] <Kilos> ok then ill unfollow wernersmit too
[06:35] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[06:36]  * Kilos tries to put together my curry recipe for those with tender mouths but can enjoy really tasty curry
[06:37] <Kilos> wont tweet it no worry
[06:43] <superfly> Kilos: unfollow everyone
[06:44] <Kilos> i thought i had superfly 
[07:00] <Kilos> yo charl zeref 
[07:03] <charl> hi Kilos 
[07:05] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[07:05]  * Kilos sees deegee
[07:10] <Kilos> hiya sflr 
[07:11] <superfly> morning sflr
[07:11] <sflr> morning guys! 
[07:11] <sflr> hey Kilos, superfly 
[07:11] <Kilos> sflr, keep up the good work
[07:12] <sflr> thanks Kilos, working hard here. haha. just need some caffeine I think
[07:12] <Kilos> yeah caffeine good stuff
[07:14] <charl> yeah same here, was yawning this morning after getting into the office
[07:14] <charl> got my caffiene fix now so am starting to wake up :)
[07:15] <sflr> sent the guys to get some woolies coffee and muffins :)
[07:16] <sflr> charl haha. just what I need. Fingers are doing the walking, but eyes still closing
[07:16] <Kilos> moer koffie
[07:17] <Kilos> perculted methinks is the word
[07:17] <Kilos> airlines used to serve great coffee
[07:17] <Kilos> airlines/airports
[07:19] <sflr> I dont drink coffee on flights. I rather try to sleep! :)
[07:19] <Kilos> hehe
[07:19]  * Kilos never flown
[07:20] <superfly> Kilos: percolated
[07:20] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[07:21] <sflr> Kilos: you'll be flying soon to Australia :)
[07:21]  * Kilos will be offline on monday till eskom has connected rebuilt power line
[07:21] <Kilos> God willing yes sflr 
[07:21] <charl> have flown a lot and my experience has been that airline coffee sucks
[07:21] <charl> on american airlines they serve you starbucks, yuck!
[07:22] <charl> on south african airlines, the coffee tastes like instant coffee, i don't know which is worse
[07:22] <Kilos> i used to stop often on the way home after work at the durban airport just for coffee
[07:22] <sflr> charl: I think its the milk what makes it taste yukky
[07:22] <sflr> airports are different. you can get nice coffees.
[07:23] <charl> sflr: no i always take my coffee black
[07:23] <Kilos> mind you nescafe classic is good, but expensive
[07:24] <sflr> charl: ok. its must be recoffee then. haha
[07:24] <Kilos> lol plastic coffee
[07:24] <charl> i don't like nescafe classic either, although it's better than that spew ricoffee
[07:24] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[07:24] <charl> i have to admit that i get rather irritated when people offer me "coffee" and i end up having to drink that spew
[07:25] <Kilos> better than water
[07:25] <charl> if you want to serve me chicory then ask me if i want chicory, not coffee
[07:25] <Kilos> have you seen what fish do in it
[07:25] <sflr> I drink the Jacobs green at home, but price almost doubled in the last 5 years
[07:25] <sflr> haha charl that's true
[07:25] <charl> jacobs isn't too bad actually
[07:25] <charl> for an instant coffee, i mean, used to drink that in pretoria
[07:25] <Kilos> all prices are crazy in sa at the moment
[07:25] <sflr> Kilos: fish in coffee?
[07:26] <charl> Kilos: quite honestly i would rather have clean water than chicory :)
[07:26] <Kilos> ricoffy better than water
[07:26] <charl> i hate the taste of chicory
[07:26] <charl> by chicory i was referring to ricoffy :)
[07:26] <Kilos> because of what fish do in water sflr 
[07:26] <charl> mostly just chicory with a bit of added coffee and some sugars
[07:26]  * superfly drinks ricoffy
[07:27] <charl> nescafe is a swiss company, ricoffy is so low budget they don't even sell it in europe
[07:27] <Kilos> we actually grew chicory, makes good food for sheep
[07:27] <charl> only place i have ever seen it is africa
[07:27] <charl> yeah chicory is a herb, the roots can be made into a brew
[07:28] <superfly> The only place you get things like 1-ply toilet paper is in africa too - low-cost solutions for poorer countries
[07:28] <charl> that's a good point, i can't remember ever seeing 1-ply in europe either
[07:28] <Kilos> yeah and the toilet rolls are shrinking in size too
[07:29] <sflr> superfly: can you please install Nodewords module on the site when you have some time? http://drupal.org/project/nodewords
[07:29] <Kilos> soon the toilet roll holder will take 2 rolls at a time
[07:29] <charl> a funny thing i noticed is that the nescafe you buy in bangladesh is much nicer than the nescafe they sell in africa
[07:29] <charl> bangladesh is one of the poorest countries in the world so budget has nothing to do with it (me thinks)
[07:30] <charl> i wonder what the story behind that is...
[07:30] <superfly> sflr: remind me tonight, I don't have access to the server from here
[07:30] <sflr> charl: nescafe is a brand, they source the actual coffee from different places
[07:30] <sflr> superfly: ok, thanks for the help last night
[07:30] <charl> sflr: yeah that must be true, actually the nescafe they sell in europe is also quite nice, even though i rarely drink it
[07:31] <charl> but you would think that they would source african nescafe from african coffee, some of the best coffee in the world
[07:31] <charl> especially kenyan coffee.. oh my goodness that stuff is awesome (and expensive)
[07:31] <charl> it's cheaper to buy imported south-american coffees than kenyan coffee in south africa
[07:31] <sflr> same with mcdonalds, the only place I eat mcdonalds burger is argentina, because the meat is not processed, is genuine beef. the kind of you buy here at restaurants
[07:32] <charl> never been to south america but in north america i live off mexican food
[07:32] <charl> the american fast food tastes like real junk
[07:32] <sflr> Im waiting for my colleague to return from Kenya. He promised he brings me coffee. I havent taste it yet
[07:32] <charl> even though the americans seem to like it... poor guys don't know real food :S
[07:33] <charl> sflr: i spent a month in nairobi at the ihub - they have a coffee bar called pete's, wow that's good stuff
[07:33] <sflr> yes, after a while your tastebuds go numb and you forget how good food tastes
[07:33] <charl> sflr: http://www.petescoffee.co.ke/
[07:34] <superfly> sflr: http://www.beanthere.co.za/
[07:34] <superfly> They are just around the corner from me, and their prices are not bad.
[07:34] <charl> superfly: oh nice!
[07:35] <superfly> Fair Trade FTW
[07:35] <sflr> thanks. there is also a nice one in woodstock around the old biscuit mill
[07:38] <sflr> i must check beanthere out. I never noticed it and drive there every day. haha
[07:52] <superfly> sflr: we should meet there one day :-)
[07:57] <superfly> organise an ubuntu hour there :-D
[07:57] <superfly> or an Ubuntu half-hour for those who don't have a long lunch
[07:57] <superfly> Maaz: tell magespawn I can see where your shop is
[07:57] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[08:16] <sflr> good idea superfly! Ubuntu Coffee Break :)
[08:26] <Kilos> sigh
[08:27] <Kilos> eskom/pta power deliver warning note power will be off on the 25th then turns it off today for an hour
[08:27] <charl> Maaz: tell Symmetria http://i.imgur.com/QMw9m.gif
[08:27] <Maaz> charl: Okay, I'll tell Symmetria on freenode
[08:34] <sflr> Kilos: why is the power being turned off? maintenance or electricity shortage?
[08:35] <Kilos> dunno today but they say that new power line being connected monday sflr 
[08:35] <Kilos> we have had on/offs for a year or more now
[08:38] <Kilos> my whole unsaved curry recipe gone
[08:38]  * Kilos cries
[08:38] <Kilos> yo dLimit 
[08:38] <dLimit> Kilos hi
[08:38] <dLimit> How are ya?
[08:38] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[08:39] <dLimit> I'm good
[08:39] <dLimit> Hungry
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:42] <sflr> where is it gone to?
[08:43] <sflr> I think Vodacom's SMS spam filter is broken. I got 5 insurance and deal offer SMSs this morning
[08:43] <Kilos> every i had typed isnt there anymore just the blank file
[08:43] <Kilos> every thing
[08:46] <sflr> :( Ctrl+Z maybe? was the file saved empty
[08:46] <Kilos> hadnt saved as yet then power went off
[08:47] <sflr> argh. ok. that is gone then :| sorry to hear that.
[08:47] <Kilos> ctrl+Z does nothing
[08:47] <Kilos> will start it again when more energy
[08:47] <sflr> it wont if the power went off
[08:47] <charl> sflr: they are probably paying voda a lot of money to be able to send those spam to its customers
[08:48] <charl> selling sms messages is good business... you can charge R0.20 for transmitting less than 1K of data
[08:49] <sflr> charl: these are the scam SMSs mostly, which Vodacom supposed to block. you can report the these numbers and they block it.
[08:49] <Kilos> yeah and some of them take airtime if you dont sms stop back
[08:49] <Kilos> grrr
[08:49] <charl> ah ok
[08:49] <Kilos> sflr, try
[08:49] <charl> Kilos: yeah that is epic fraud, my mom had that once
[08:49] <Kilos> um
[08:50] <charl> it's because on mobile billing there is no real confirmation process necessary, i used to work with the tech
[08:50] <Kilos> stop all wc
[08:50] <charl> it's why i always tend to keep a minimum balance and only use prepaid
[08:50] <Kilos> We will have to ask inetpro if he remember to which number
[08:50] <sflr> it doesnt even have to be from Vodacom. but you just sign up at clickatell and buy credits. then use their API to spam. usually they just go 1000 numbers at a time. increment with 1.
[08:50] <charl> and then in addition they can track you wherever you are without you knowing, getting your exact gps coordinates back
[08:51] <charl> sflr: yeah but where does clickatell send them from... from a uk number (their internatinal sms gateway)
[08:51] <charl> and then their provider in the uk has to pay vodacom again for transmission
[08:51] <charl> so at the end of the day, vodacom still wins
[08:51] <sflr> they also in SA.
[08:51] <charl> they were actually founded in south africa but their gateway is in the UK
[08:52] <charl> you get an sms from a number +44-something
[08:52] <sflr> yeah, vodacom wins, but as business ethics they need to stop fraudsters
[08:52] <Kilos> i now have them stealing on mtn as well. when i fone them they say that they can only stop it after next deduction
[08:52] <Kilos> grrr
[08:52] <charl> correction, they were founded in california, but they have offices in south africa
[08:53] <charl> Kilos: yup my mom was also on mtn
[08:54] <Kilos> that stop all wc command worked on voda but i cant find the number to send it too
[08:54] <Kilos> got it from one of their online techs
[08:55] <charl> 30333 was in the number
[08:55] <charl> on voda
[08:55] <Kilos> yay there you go sflr 
[08:55] <sflr> Ubuntu HUD is amazing! as concept and implementation.
[08:55] <Kilos> sms  stop all wc to 30333
[08:56] <sflr> whats wc? water closet? haha
[08:56] <Kilos> haha
[08:57] <Kilos> maybe it was STOP ALL WC
[08:57] <Kilos> but it worked. modem sim doesnt get ripped anymore
[08:57] <charl> yup stop all that crap, nice choice of words
[08:58] <Kilos> was very frustrating. boet would put airtime for me and half would be gone before month end when i wanted to get new data bundle
[08:59] <sflr> from the logs: January 1, 2012: [18:52] <Kilos> i have a waspa reply after putting STOP ALL WC in sms to 30333
[08:59] <Kilos> yay sflr you got it
[09:00] <sflr> its from Google. you are famous my friend! :)
[09:00] <Kilos> oh my
[09:01] <sflr> here: https://www.google.co.za/#q=sms+stop+all+wc
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:02] <charl> i literally just googled "stop all wc vodacom" and got the number in the first result :)
[09:02] <charl> and in the second, to verify
[09:02] <Kilos> wow
[09:02] <sflr> charl: wasnt that Kilos' comment from the logs?
[09:02] <charl> yup
[09:02] <Kilos> charl, whats the command for mtn
[09:02] <charl> no i got other results
[09:03] <Kilos> well i hope it helps lotsa peeps to block the airtime thieves
[09:04] <charl> Kilos: no idea, i would love to know myself, i googled a bit and didn't find anything
[09:04] <charl> then i could give it to my mom if i knew
[09:04] <Kilos> they arent as keen to help methinks
[09:04] <charl> nope i don't think so either
[09:05] <charl> if you look at the controversies that mtn has managed to rack up it's no surprise they don't care that much about their customer service
[09:05] <charl> at least vodacom makes a decent attempt in that way
[09:05] <Kilos> you need to get to one of the uppper techs to get stuff like that but they dont like putting you through to them
[09:05] <Kilos> i had to email the voda ceo too
[09:06] <charl> online billing should have been disabled by default unless specifically enabled by the customer
[09:06] <charl> Kilos: wow that's crazy... there are a lot of other people who reported it too on the internet though so i thought it would have been common knowlege
[09:08] <Kilos> was heart breaking having half your airtime stolen when its meant for your next data bundle
[09:08] <Kilos> some of them hit you R5 a day and others R15 a day but they give you nothing for it
[09:08] <Kilos> grrr
[09:09] <charl> bah that is horrible
[09:09] <charl> i used to work with this payment api at one point, you can deduct money off any vodacom or mtn number and no notification is sent to the customer in any way
[09:10] <charl> basically, it's left up to the developer to use it responsibly
[09:10] <Kilos> yeah very crooked. you gotta sms them stop or they go ahead
[09:10] <charl> it's like asking for fraud... i really don't get it
[09:10] <Kilos> and when sim in modem you dont see the incoming smses
[09:10] <charl> cell c didn't support it at the time though, neither did virgin mobile
[09:11] <charl> you could say good for them but i don't think they had the technical capability in any case
[09:11] <charl> same goes for lbs (location based services)
[09:11] <charl> you simply put in the number of any voda or mtn user and it gives you the gps coordinates of their location accurate within 100 metre
[09:12] <charl> the user doesn't know in any way except if they have a cellphone signal activity monitor
[09:12] <charl> i used the speakers of my computer for that purpose :)
[09:12] <charl> while testing, in any case
[09:12] <Kilos> yeah where has security and privacy gone to
[09:12] <charl> out the door, clearly
[09:12] <charl> facebook culture has taken over
[09:12] <Kilos> yeah
[09:13] <charl> i don't mind these services, if used responsibly they could be extremely handy, but not while sacrificing security and privacy of the user
[09:13] <charl> user's priorities are ichiban
[09:14] <Kilos> should be ya. but today the user is there to exploit
[09:14] <charl> yup
[09:14] <Kilos> they dont care if he/she is a battler or not
[09:15] <charl> nope exploitation knows no bounds
[09:15] <charl> jumping onto a different topic, have any of you people seen Tracker (2010 film)
[09:15] <Kilos> like ian would put R10 airtime so i could sms family if needed
[09:15] <Kilos> nope
[09:15] <charl> watched it yesterday evening, coming from a partly south african background i found it to be rather interesting
[09:16] <Kilos> films eat data
[09:16] <Kilos> hehe
[09:16] <charl> well unless you are going to pirate it you need to buy it in any case lol
[09:16] <charl> as in, old-school offline media
[09:16] <Kilos> no pirating. the fly will fight me
[09:17] <charl> yeah i'm not big on pirating myself
[09:17] <charl> although, quite honestly i don't care if people pirate stuff if they can't afford it in any case
[09:17] <Kilos> even told me getting someone to copy the india bundle of games was no no
[09:18] <charl> in south africa i found actually buying stuff to be a problem in many instances
[09:18] <Kilos> walk a straight path then you cant get lost. but one gets tempted at times
[09:18] <charl> specialist stuff like anime etc you just can't buy, and amazon etc don't ship to south africa
[09:18] <charl> so under circumstances like that, you can argue whether it's unethical to pirate or not
[09:19] <charl> in principle i'm for the shraight and narrow but i practice that white and black view of the world doesn't always work
[09:19] <charl> *straight
[09:19] <Kilos> lol you still have a long life ahead of you
[09:20] <Kerbero[dsp]> straight is so boring
[09:20] <Kilos> when you old you start worrying about answering at the pearly gates
[09:20] <charl> actually any of us could die at any moment in time, i have had various near-death experiences so that's not the way i think
[09:20] <charl> anymore, in any case
[09:21] <Kilos> lotsa peeps much younger than me have already gone to the happy hunting grounds
[09:21] <charl> life and death, it's not in our hands
[09:21] <Kilos> yeah better keep on the straight and narrow
[09:22] <charl> the big question isn't to be on the straight and narrow, it's what the straight and narrow is
[09:22] <charl> what's right or wrong, good or bad, very much depends on your personal point of view
[09:22] <Kilos> and be nice and good to family and friends. you cant apologise when they gone
[09:22] <charl> yup
[09:23] <sflr> charl:  in privacy context I think the straight and narrow is the credit card machine. haha
[09:23] <charl> :D
[09:23] <sflr> piracy context
[09:23] <Kilos> philosophical ubuntu discussion going on here today
[09:23] <charl> yup, lol
[09:25] <Kilos> very ubuntu specific
[09:25] <Kilos> hehe
[09:25] <Kerbero[dsp]> charl: btw, takealot can import from amazon for you
[09:25] <charl> Kerbero[dsp]: amazon does ship to where i live right now but that's good to know, thanks
[09:25] <sflr> Kenyan city suburb: Car Wash. lol. busy mapping city suburbs gps co-ordinates
[09:26] <Kerbero[dsp]> stomme nederlanders :P
[09:26] <charl> Kerbero[dsp]: kaka in uw stomme mulle! :P
[09:26] <sflr> my colleague is from amsterdam. he is still crying over Euro2012 exit. hehe
[09:27] <charl> sflr: it's the reason i don't watch football, if people are that fanatic about sport they are sad cases of human beings
[09:27] <charl> it's a game... :)
[09:28] <sflr> they need something to make them forget about the miserable economy
[09:29] <sflr> my friend is in portugal and she was scared to go out last night on the streets. it was like a riot!
[09:29] <charl> bah
[09:31] <sflr> google hangout meeting on samsung galaxy. wow, i'm impressed.
[09:34] <Kilos> in a file open with gedit how does one underline?
[09:34] <Kilos> or must one use openoffice for that
[09:34] <Kilos> yo HawkiesZA 
[09:34] <Kilos> inetpro, good morning
[09:35] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos
[09:35] <superfly> Takealot FTW - they customised my deliveries for me
[09:35] <superfly> Kilos: gedit is a text editor. if you want underlining you should use a word processor
[09:35] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[09:36] <HawkiesZA> Probably jumping in the middle, but Takealot ftw indeed
[09:37] <Kilos> first time using office apart from when it opens other stuff
[10:04] <Guest9702> hello
[10:04] <Guest9702> anyone in here 
[10:10] <Kilos> hi gues
[10:10] <Kilos> oh my
[10:11] <Kilos> grr how do you switch off that underline thingie once it is going. i dont wanna underline everything
[10:24] <superfly> Kilos: press the same thing you did to start it
[10:25] <Kilos> i did superfly but it stays underling
[10:25] <Kilos> will do it in gedit and forget about underlining
[10:26] <Kilos> im not a clerical type anyway
[10:58] <Kilos> hi tonberryE352 
[11:02] <tonberryE352> hallo
[11:02] <charl> hi tonberryE352 
[11:03] <tonberryE352> strange
[11:03] <tonberryE352> where is the other me
[11:03] <Kilos> lol
[11:04] <tonberryE352> found it
[11:07] <charl> multiple personality disorder i see
[11:07] <Kilos> ha ha
[11:07] <tonberryE352> multiple computer disorder
[11:09] <Kerbero[dsp]> hmm
[11:09] <Kerbero[dsp]> wonder wat maak dit my
[11:31] <Kilos> (VEGETARIAN - ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who can't hunt fish or ride)
[11:34] <Kilos> now they vegans protesting animals rights
[11:35] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[11:35] <psydroid> haha
[11:39] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[12:25] <charl> Kilos: problem? *puts on troll face*
[12:25] <Kilos> wassup charl 
[12:30] <Kilos> been rewriting my curry recipe for tender mouthed peeps
[12:30] <charl> nice
[12:30] <Kilos> and stirring my big pot of curry
[12:30] <charl> very nice, looking forward to seeing it :)
[12:31] <Kilos> will pastebin a draft but might need to add subtract once sister checks if i have forgotten anything
[12:32] <charl> cool
[12:34] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21lfOUYAp
[12:35] <Kilos> i dont think my office wordprocessor is fully installed and not gonna waste data getting it
[12:36] <Kilos> every day the curry tastes better
[12:37] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, who does your cooking?
[12:39] <SmilyBorg> cooking?
[12:40] <SmilyBorg> arg, misread that at first
[12:40] <Kilos> lol ya that process that makes food
[12:40] <SmilyBorg> I cook
[12:40] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21lfOUYAp
[12:40] <SmilyBorg> and bake
[12:40] <charl> Kilos: sounds delicious
[12:41] <SmilyBorg> interesting
[12:41] <Kilos> no one has every had a bad word for it yet. and most want seconds
[12:41] <SmilyBorg> not normaly a curry girl, but might give it a try some time
[12:41] <SmilyBorg> thanks
[12:41] <Kilos> yw
[12:42] <Kilos> curry bought ready cooked in durbs is normally hot
[12:42] <SmilyBorg> yup
[12:42] <SmilyBorg> the woolworths beef curry is prety good though
[12:42] <SmilyBorg> and not hot
[12:43] <Kilos> ah maybe they do it like me
[12:43] <SmilyBorg> btw, my most yummy thing to bake http://www.instructables.com/id/Cinnamon-Pull-Apart-Loaf/
[12:44] <Kilos> lol i love cinnamon on pancakes
[12:44] <SmilyBorg> my girlfriend says it's better than cinabon
[12:45] <Kilos> you will have to let the guys taste when you have a get together in durbs sometime
[12:46] <charl> ooh, ooh!
[12:46] <SmilyBorg> ya. one day. people at work are still waiting for some too
[12:46] <charl> *watering the keyboard*
[12:46] <Kilos> lol slack chick
[12:46] <SmilyBorg> needs to be eaten fresh out the oven and its hard enough to get up at 5:30 as it is
[12:47] <Kilos> whew
[13:22] <tumbleweed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035445.html
[13:29] <sflr> thanks tumbleweed, it is looking promising!
[13:30] <tumbleweed> matthew garrett wasn't very impressed, but that was before this e-mail http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/13713.html
[13:35] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed 
[13:35] <charl> very interesting
[13:35] <charl> thanks tumbleweed 
[13:35] <tonberryE352> this whole secure boot thing can only end badly
[13:36] <Kilos> can someone tell me what the aim is of secure booting
[13:37] <charl> Kilos: as far as i can tell it is to prevent the loading of for example boot sector viruses
[13:37] <charl> it's to make sure that the right boot loader is used
[13:37] <Kilos> oh while online?
[13:37] <charl> when the computer loads up
[13:37] <tonberryE352> that is the official reason
[13:37] <charl> i am also not convinced of it's real world benefits
[13:37] <tumbleweed> see also http://lwn.net/Articles/499411/ and http://lwn.net/Articles/499458/ and http://lwn.net/Articles/500249/
[13:37] <tonberryE352> bootloader rootkits and malwareish things
[13:37] <tumbleweed> in fact  http://lwn.net/Search <- UEFI
[13:38] <tonberryE352> i'm still voting that the real reason is vendor lock in
[13:38] <charl> i didn't even realise those things were a big problem anymore
[13:38] <charl> i thought we had much bigger security challenges facing us
[13:38] <tonberryE352> i don't think they are...
[13:39] <tumbleweed> secure boot would be a nice thing to have. a rootkit in early boot is practically undetectable
[13:39] <tumbleweed> the problem is doing it in a way that's hobbiest-friendly
[13:39] <tumbleweed> or at least, friendly to people who install their own OSs
[13:39] <charl> tumbleweed: that's true but how common are these rootkits ...
[13:40] <Kilos> ya there are many peeps out there that cant do involved stuff just to install an os
[13:40] <HawkiesZA> tumbleweed: friendly in the "I'm not a dictator" kind of way
[13:40] <tumbleweed> charl: not particularly, but we'd prefer them to stay that way, too
[13:41] <tumbleweed> the sanest proposal I've heard so far is to make UEFI bioss automatically enroll new keys (well prompte the user first, of course) when booting from USB / CDs
[13:41] <charl> tumbleweed: i guess i could live with it, as long as the vendors implement a way to either add keys or disable it completely
[13:41] <tonberryE352> what about the possible gpl3 issue?\
[13:42] <tumbleweed> tonberryE352: read that ubuntu-devel e-mail. the plan is not to use grub
[13:42] <charl> hmmm doesn't that defeat the purpose... although i guess then you need the extra vector of having to have physical access to the machine
[13:42] <tonberryE352> yes
[13:42] <tumbleweed> charl: we're fairly afraid that the way to add keys will be horrifically hard to use
[13:42] <tonberryE352> i meant for the prompting user to add new keys solution
[13:42] <tonberryE352> s*
[13:42] <tumbleweed> (after all BIOS developers aren't known for sanity or UI ability)
[13:42] <charl> tumbleweed: yeah that makes sense
[13:42] <charl> very true
[13:45] <charl> i wonder if hypervisors like vmware etc are going to add support for this as well
[13:46] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed for the effort you guys are putting in
[13:46] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I'm not involved in this :)
[13:46] <charl> +1
[13:46] <Kilos> then get involved and we know it will work
[13:47] <Kilos> walk softly and carry a big stick
[13:47] <charl> and eat some of Kilos' curry
[13:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:48] <tumbleweed> :)
[13:50] <charl> and if that isn't enough, add some awesome sauce: http://i.imgur.com/lvL2M.png
[14:32] <charl> bbl
[15:18]  * superfly wonders if sflr is still around
[15:35] <Kilos> theblaze, hi
[15:35] <theblaze> Hi
[15:35] <Kilos> sigh what a day
[15:36] <Kilos> you new here theblaze 
[15:36] <Kilos> ?
[15:36] <theblaze> yeah
[15:36] <theblaze> Not that new to Linux though
[15:36] <Kilos> on a cellphone
[15:36] <Kilos> good theblaze welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:36] <Kilos> yo smile 
[15:37] <theblaze> Thx
[15:37] <theblaze> Which desktop environment do you use? 
[15:37] <Kilos> gnome
[15:37] <superfly> KDE
[15:37] <smile> hallo Kilos :D
[15:37] <smile> Unity!! :D
[15:37] <Kilos> all kinds here
[15:37] <smile> all three different ^^
[15:38] <smile> :p
[15:39] <Kilos> take your choice theblaze 
[15:39] <theblaze> I am planning on using xfce
[15:39] <Kilos> aw i tried that
[15:40] <Kilos> wasnt as easy as gnome for me
[15:40] <smile> theblaze: used that for a long time. :)
[15:40] <theblaze> Doubt have Linux on PC ATM ( still windows :( )
[15:40] <smile> was stable & feature-filled
[15:40] <theblaze> Dont *
[15:40] <Kilos> shame
[15:40] <theblaze> Cool
[15:40] <theblaze> Yeah but PC broken atm
[15:40] <Kilos> whats it doing/not doing?
[15:41] <theblaze> Not booting to BIOS just restarts
[15:41] <theblaze> I use xubuntu live USB at school
[15:41] <Kilos> pull the battery on the motherboard and the power plug for 5 mins
[15:42] <theblaze> IV tried all those things
[15:42] <theblaze> Acer said its motherboard 
[15:43] <Kilos> eish
[15:43] <theblaze> Yeah. But at least I have persistence on my USB. 
[15:44] <theblaze> Running out of space though
[15:44] <Kilos> ouch
[15:44] <theblaze> Wanna write my own DE sometime
[15:44] <superfly> theblaze: that's a LOT of work
[15:45] <theblaze> I know. 
[15:45] <theblaze> Its going to be for touch screens at least 1m x 1m
[15:45] <theblaze> And have a radial app launcher 
[15:46] <superfly> theblaze: look into Clutter then.
[15:46] <theblaze> And you can flick a document to move it to someone else
[15:47] <theblaze> Cool :) was going to wait for the unity 3d port but I might use that 
[15:50] <superfly> there was a very lightweight window manager based on clutter and written for touch screen phones
[15:50] <theblaze> Interesting 
[15:50] <theblaze> Android? 
[15:51] <superfly> No, Nokia hired the guy writing it, and AFAIK it is used in Maemo
[15:51] <superfly> Aka the N800 and the N900
[15:52] <theblaze> Ok
[15:53]  * superfly has an N900
[15:53] <theblaze> Btw any programmers here wanting to help on my project? 
[15:53] <theblaze> Superfly: nice
[15:53] <superfly> No, I have enough projects of my own. :-)
[15:54] <theblaze> Ok
[16:02] <Kilos> theblaze, how come you took so long to join us?
[16:02] <theblaze> Never knew. Just did a /list and saw this name
[16:02] <Kilos> this is where all the clever peeps hang out
[16:02] <Kilos> and me
[16:02] <theblaze> Yay:)
[16:03] <Kilos> this is the ubuntu community help channel but most linux systems are known
[16:03] <theblaze> On g+ I noticed that Linux people are clever and interesting :)
[16:03] <theblaze> Cool
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:04] <theblaze> ATM I'm downloading Linux for my android phone :)
[16:04] <Kilos> guys here have done that too
[16:04] <theblaze> Huge image (as far as my internet connection is concerned) 
[16:04] <superfly> theblaze: MeeGo?
[16:04] <theblaze> OK. How did they do it? 
[16:05] <theblaze> Superfly nope
[16:05] <theblaze> I'm going to use DD to make a big image mount my Linux-on-android img and copy the files
[16:05] <Kilos> if you want to know something just ask and be patient for an answer. the guys are very busy
[16:06] <superfly> theblaze: link?
[16:06] <theblaze> Just Google Linux-on-android its the second link
[16:07]  * superfly will do that when he gets home
[16:07] <theblaze> Cool
[16:08] <superfly> theblaze: where are you based?
[16:08] <theblaze> In centurion you
[16:08] <superfly> Cape Town
[16:09] <superfly> Well, my station is up next. Later guys.
[16:09] <theblaze> Ok
[16:09] <theblaze> Bye
[16:09] <Kilos> go safe superfly 
[16:09] <Kilos> later
[16:19]  * Kilos updated curry recipe
[16:19] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2NJl87E8Y
[16:24]  * Kilos wonders where inetpro was today
[16:24] <inetpro> hmm... ek is hier
[16:25] <Kilos> naand oompie
[16:25] <Kilos> als goed daar?
[16:25] <inetpro> hehe, nou wie's die oom hier?
[16:25] <inetpro> Kilos: no problemos
[16:25] <Kilos> oompie
[16:25] <Kilos> kleiner as oom
[16:26] <inetpro> ai
[16:26] <Kilos> jy is n toppie teenoor klomp van die ouens hier
[16:26] <inetpro> Kilos: nou wat het ek verpas vandag?
[16:27] <inetpro> lyk my julle was weer baie besig
[16:27] <Kilos> ??
[16:27] <Kilos> ja innie oggend
[16:27] <Kilos> stewige ubuntu gesprek
[16:27] <inetpro> hmm... sal later bietjie gaan lees en opvang
[16:27] <Kilos> hehe
[16:28] <Kilos> grappies man
[16:28] <inetpro> nou eers familie tyd 
[16:28] <Kilos> ons het oor allerande ander goed gesels
[16:28] <Kilos> mooi
[16:29] <Kilos> moenie die resep verloor nie
[16:29] <Kilos> kan jy copy/paste van n pastebin
[17:37] <charl> hi
[17:37] <charl> konbanwa misan
[17:53] <smile> hi charl :)
[18:02] <charl> hi smile :)
[18:02] <smile> charl: do you speak african? :)
[18:02] <charl> smile: yes i grew up in south africa
[18:02] <smile> charl: cool. where are you now, if i may ask? :)
[18:02] <charl> smile: somewhere in unknown location in NL :)
[18:04] <smile> charl: lol. I know NL very good :) I travelled it completely by train :)
[18:04] <charl> yup i spent so much time in trains here it's a joke
[18:05] <charl> i live in the middle of nowhere so to get anywhere i make use of the public transportation system
[18:05] <charl> a friend of mine says the NL railway system is the busiest in the world
[18:07] <smile> charl: ok :D
[18:07] <smile> charl: that's parly true. belgium is also very busy
[18:07] <charl> it's two small countries in the corner ;)
[18:08] <charl> i have actually never been to belgium
[18:08] <charl> i was thinking of going to the linuxbierwanderung 2012
[18:08]  * superfly wonders what language "african" is
[18:08] <charl> smile: http://lbw2012.tuxera.be/
[18:09] <charl> superfly: i think smile is referring to "afrikaans"
[18:09] <smile> superfly: "Afrikaans" :)
[18:09] <superfly> ah
[18:09] <Kilos> yip he is still lerning both our tale
[18:09] <smile> charl: I know there are some problems with name of the language "african" :p
[18:09] <smile> afrikaans, zuid-afrikaans, zuid-afrika.. ;)
[18:09] <charl> "afrikaans" sounds to a dutchman like "african" to an english speaker
[18:10] <smile> yes :)
[18:10] <charl> hence the confusion
[18:10] <charl> but in english afrikaans is also actually just called afrikaans
[18:10] <smile> charl: end of the world? :p
[18:10] <smile> charl: oke, ek het dit nie geweet nie :o
[18:10] <charl> yeah i don't get why people make such a big deal of it honestly
[18:11] <charl> people i know refer to it as "zuid-afrikaans"
[18:11] <charl> (literally means "South African")
[18:11] <charl> i really don't care what people call it, it's all logical names
[18:12] <charl> like for example, people in NL often refer to flemish as "belgian"
[18:12] <charl> (or "belgies"
[18:13] <charl> a belgian to a dutchman is basically a fleming
[18:13] <smile> charl: belgian-dutch is the best name to describe it :)
[18:13] <charl> yeah well the regional dialects are disappearing and are being standardised now
[18:13] <charl> so for all practical intention it's just dutch now
[18:13] <smile> charl: yes I know, I live there ;)
[18:13] <charl> but it's the way people describe a dialect
[18:14] <smile> no, not dutch.. :p
[18:14] <charl> well the "standardised dutch" (standaardnederlands)
[18:14] <charl> like where i live we also speak a dialect of dutch
[18:14] <smile> There are big differences. The words used (vocabulary) & the constructions :p
[18:14] <charl> we don't refer to it as dutch at all
[18:14] <charl> is there really a standardised belgian dutch though?
[18:14] <smile> charl: west flemish is disappearing rapidly :(
[18:15] <smile> charl: yes. :)
[18:15] <charl> ah interesting, i didn't know that
[18:15] <charl> i read some belgian dutch on some websites and it looked like normal dutch to me
[18:15] <smile> charl: it's a combination of east-flemish, antwerps (from Antwerp) and Limburgs (from the belgian province limburg)
[18:16] <smile> west-flemish is too different to make it standard language
[18:16] <charl> ah yes, very interesting
[18:16] <smile> charl: ;)
[18:16] <charl> well in .nl the dialects are disappearing though
[18:16] <charl> the school system learns the standaardnederlands
[18:16] <smile> here also. very rapidly :o
[18:16] <charl> so the dialects are usually a spoken thing with the older people
[18:16] <smile> we learn "standaardnederlands", but with belgian touches.
[18:16] <charl> for example, if people from the randstad come here they don't understand the locals
[18:17] <charl> the younger people all speak more standard dutch but the older people... they speak "plat"
[18:17] <charl> the germans are the same, you get strong niedersachsisch under the old folk
[18:18] <smile> charl: Yes I understand what you are saying :) My mother tongue is Dutch :p
[18:18] <smile> well, Belgian! :D
[18:18] <smile> ;)
[18:18] <charl> lol yeah
[18:18] <smile> ^^
[18:18] <smile> I'm tired already
[18:18] <smile> :p
[18:19] <charl> i'm not going to make it later either, i am busy watching a very interesting anime though
[18:19] <charl> a film "Summer Wars" from 2009
[18:19] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Wars
[18:20] <smile> charl: about war?
[18:20] <charl> it's about a virtual world really and then apparently later in the film a hacker does all kinds of stuff, but i still have to get there
[18:21] <charl> they call it "oz" and it's literally an escape point, an alternate reality
[18:21] <smile> ok! :D
[18:21] <charl> yeah it's a nice thing to watch if you've seen ghost in a shell
[18:21] <smile> oh only 114 minutes :)
[18:22] <charl> but ghost in a shell, that's a long story, 2 movies, 2 series with 26 episodes each, and an ova at the end
[18:22] <charl> yeah this one is quickly watchable in comparison :)
[18:24] <charl> ok lemme make some coffee...
[18:24] <charl> we use the senseo system at home, it's very popular in .nl
[18:25] <charl> we have the dulche gusto as well but that's quite expensive
[18:25] <charl> the cups i mean
[18:28] <smile> charl: hug! :D
[18:28] <charl> knuffel!!!
[18:30] <smile> bye everyone
[18:30] <smile> charl: ja! :D
[18:30] <smile> good night :)
[18:30] <Kilos> night smile 
[18:30] <smile> thanks :D
[18:54] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:54]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:54] <Kilos> ma coffee for all
[18:54] <Kilos> grrr
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:55] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[18:55] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[18:55] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[18:57] <charl> Maaz, black for me
[18:57] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[18:57] <charl> Maaz, black coffee please
[18:57] <Maaz> charl: Go get it yourself!
[18:57] <Kilos> haha charl you a skinny guy?
[18:57] <charl> Kilos: yup how did you know!
[18:57] <charl> ;)
[18:57] <Kilos> drink black coffee so you can cast a shadow
[18:57] <charl> hahaha
[18:58] <Kilos> sa junior boks world champions
[18:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:58] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:01] <Kilos> very busy channel here tonight
[19:02] <charl> Maaz, where's my coffee...
[19:03] <Maaz> charl: Huh?
[19:03] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <charl> Maaz, coffee please
[19:03] <Maaz> charl: There isn't a pot on
[19:03] <charl> Maaz, coffee on
[19:03]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:03] <charl> ah that's better :)
[19:06] <Kilos> theblaze, hopefully you gonna be here regularly from now on
[19:07] <Kilos> whew 3 of them
[19:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[19:07] <charl> ah sehr schon!
[19:07] <charl> Maaz: botsnack
[19:07] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[19:08] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa
[19:08] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me
[19:08] <Kilos> sigh
[19:13] <Kilos> night charl and everyone else
[19:13] <charl> Maaz: weather rotterdam
[19:13] <Maaz> charl: Too many places match rotterdam: Rotterdam, Netherlands and Rotterdam, New York
[19:13] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:13] <charl> Maaz: weather rotterdam netherlands
[19:13] <Maaz> charl: In Rotterdam, Netherlands at 8:55 PM CEST on June 22, 2012: 16°C; Humidity: 68%; Wind: SW at 35 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 5:22 AM CEST/10:05 PM CEST; Moonrise/set: 8:26 AM CEST/11:28 PM CEST
[19:13] <charl> ciao Kilos !
[19:13] <charl> have a good one!
[19:13] <Kilos> he just battles with pta
[19:13] <Kilos> ty you too
[19:13] <charl> thanks!
[19:13] <charl> Maaz, pretoria
[19:13] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather pretoria south africa
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: I'm not feeling too well
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather pretoria
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather george
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: Too many places match george: George, Illinois; George, Iowa; George, Nebraska; George, North Carolina; George, South Africa and George, Washington
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather george sourth africa
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: Too many places match george sourth africa: George, Illinois; George, Iowa; George, Nebraska; George, North Carolina; George, South Africa and George, Washington
[19:14] <charl> Maaz, weather george south africa
[19:14] <Maaz> charl: In George, South Africa at 9:00 PM SAST on June 22, 2012: 13°C; Humidity: 88%; Wind: WNW at 13 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:35 AM SAST/5:29 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 9:22 AM SAST/8:21 PM SAST
[19:15] <charl> weird, dunno
[19:28]  * inetpro is back and still has not read the day's chatter in the channel
[19:28] <inetpro> good evening
[19:35] <charl> konbanwa inetpro-san
[19:35] <charl> genki des ka?
[19:35] <inetpro> charl: eish! Waarvan praat djei nou?
[19:35] <charl> lol
[19:35] <charl> genki des ka = hoe gaan dit :)
[19:36] <inetpro> ahh... goed en daar? :-)
[19:36] <charl> lekke
[19:37]  * inetpro is op soek na 'n karretjie vir die familie maar die goed kos alles 'n plaas se geld vandag
[19:40] <charl> bah
[19:42] <charl> ek moet ook eintlik e
[19:42] <charl> 'n kar koop maar ek moet 'n nuwe ry lisensie kry
[19:43] <inetpro> moet eerlik sê ek hou niks van die spulletjie nie
[19:44] <inetpro> hoe meer ek kyk hoe meer kom ek agter ek het iewers agtergebly
[19:45] <charl> ek wil eintlik so 'n elektriese kar, dan betaal ek ook geen belasting op die ding
[19:45] <inetpro> was vandag by 'n handelaar vir 'n toetslopie om te kyk wat hulle vir my gaan aanbied vir my kar, is skoon geskok
[19:47] <charl> pryse vir tweedehandse karre is nie goed meer hoor, die goed word vinnig waardeloos
[19:47] <charl> die ou karre gebruik te veel petrol, dit gaan nou alles om die carbon emissions storie
[19:48] <inetpro> ja as jy moet verkoop is die pryse power maar as jy moet koop is dit belaglik
[19:48] <charl> dis nou of groen gas of elektries of so
[19:48] <charl> ja dis die storie ne
[19:49] <charl> amsterdam het dit reg gedoen, jy parkeer gratis en kry gratis elektrisiteit as jy elektries gaan
[19:49] <charl> dit moet die nuwe norme word
[19:49] <inetpro> mooi
[19:50] <charl> maar helaas werk dit nog nie so waar ek bly, ek dink nog steeds elektries is die manier vorentoe
[19:50] <charl> dit is veel beter dan b.v.b. waterstof of so
[19:50] <charl> of miskien fuel cell
[19:51] <inetpro> my tjorretjie is al 11 jaar oud en moet nou uiteindelik vervang word maar ek is bevrees ek sal nie naby aan 'n nuwe elektriese model kan bekostig nie
[19:51] <charl> ja dis die ding - hulle is nog duur
[19:58] <sflr> good evening guys
[20:03] <sflr> superfly are you around?
[20:04] <superfly> sflr: gimme about 20 minutes?
[20:05] <sflr> ok no problem. was just checking :)
[20:23] <superfly> sflr: was just finishing off a movie
[20:23] <sflr> nice. hope it was a good one!
[20:24] <superfly> The A-Team
[20:24] <sflr> superfly: wanted to ask if you have time to add this module to the site: http://drupal.org/project/nodewords
[20:25] <sflr> i havent watched the A-team movie. only the series
[20:26] <superfly> sflr: it's on the server
[20:27] <sflr> really? I cant find it under the modules in admin
[20:27] <sflr> i found it. did you put it there recently? I didnt see it this morning
[20:27] <superfly> I just dropped it in now
[20:28] <superfly> as in, a few seconds before I told you it's on the server
[20:37] <sflr> haha. thanks. I want to use it to set some meta tags on the pages.
[20:51] <chillie> hello there i need help pls
[20:51] <superfly> hi chillie
[20:52] <chillie> hi superfly
[20:52] <chillie> where you from ?
[20:54] <sflr> hi chillie. how can we help?
[20:55] <chillie> i need help with an grapics tablet on ubuntu 12.04 it works but when the pen is lifted is stops working
[20:56] <sflr> uhm. lets see if inetpro or superfly is here. 
[20:56] <sflr> what make is it?
[20:56] <inetpro> uh?
[20:56] <sflr> chillie needs some help. see above
[20:57] <inetpro> hmm....
[20:57] <chillie> it is an kanvus light 64
[20:58] <inetpro> I'll behonest, I have never used a tablet in me life
[20:58] <chillie> you wouldint belive it is fantastic if you are an artist
[20:58] <inetpro> chillie: I can just imagine
[20:58] <sflr> chillie what stops working when you lift the pen? ubuntu or the pen?
[20:59] <Banlam> the pen
[21:00] <Banlam> it should still move the cursor while it's lifted
[21:00] <chillie> sorry the mouse stops moving (the pad stops tracking)
[21:00] <Banlam> my wacom bamboo used to work like that
[21:00] <Banlam> worked fine in ubuntu 10.04
[21:00] <chillie> yes in windows it works fine
[21:00] <Banlam> i assume it's some driver issue, but can't even begin to think on how to fix that
[21:01] <inetpro> how much do you pay for these things? I'd love to play with such a device.
[21:01] <sflr> wow Banlam, i'm impressed.
[21:01] <chillie> i have a genius one that works on ubuntu 12.04
[21:01] <Banlam> I paid R800 for mine, sold it for R600 a few weeks ago, wasn't using it as much as I had wanted
[21:01] <inetpro> hmm... not to bad after all
[21:01] <sflr> inetpro: http://www.amazon.com/Kanvus-64-Graphics-Digital-Tablet/dp/B005GQV4GM
[21:02] <chillie> i bought mine for R522 it is 5" x 4"
[21:02] <chillie> thx sflr for the link 
[21:03] <sflr> it must be the driver. cant be also related the graphics card driver? 
[21:03] <inetpro> wow! At $29 that should be about R250
[21:03] <Banlam> + postage
[21:03] <sflr> plus import costs, etc
[21:03] <Banlam> +import duties
[21:04] <sflr> chillie: whats the model for the Genius which is working?
[21:04] <inetpro> +1 item on /me wishlist
[21:04] <Banlam> :P
[21:04] <sflr> doesnt Maaz keep track of xmas wishes? you can add it there. hehe
[21:05] <Banlam> intepro, as jy nou n motor gaan koop, kan jy maklik n paar honderd rand ekstra wegsteek vir n tablet ;)
[21:05] <inetpro> Banlam: goeie idee :-)
[21:05] <chillie> jippie is julle afr die genuis is 'n mouse pen 8x6
[21:06] <sflr> chillie: here is some info setting up https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetupWizardpen
[21:06] <inetpro> chillie: welkom by #ubuntu-za
[21:06] <inetpro> hoe't jy uitgevind van die plek?
[21:06] <sflr> Kanvus is there, but not 64 :|
[21:06] <Banlam> try it anyway
[21:07] <chillie> dankie sflr maar niks daar help
[21:07] <inetpro> chillie: ek is seker as jy hier rondhang sal ons uiteindelik vir jou 'n oplossing vind
[21:07] <chillie> interpro : ek volg al my hele lewe linux maar het so 5 maande trug geswich na ubuntu
[21:08] <inetpro> mooi!
[21:08] <chillie> dankie 
[21:08] <chillie> lees julle die full circle mag
[21:08] <Banlam> moet se, 11uur op n vrydagaand is seker nie die beste tyd om help te soek
[21:08] <inetpro> chillie: as ek tyd kry, ja
[21:09] <sflr> chillie: there is a Troubleshooting down on that page
[21:09] <inetpro> Banlam: presies
[21:09] <chillie> banlam thx for the time check
[21:09] <Banlam> :P
[21:10] <inetpro> chillie: maar moenie bekommer nie, hier's gewoonlik mense wat hier rondhang tot baie laat in die nagte
[21:10] <sflr> you might also try using Ubuntu Studio. heard that's for artists. haha
[21:11] <chillie> sflr ; al daardie goed gedoen hulle praat van 'n xorg.conf file wat moet in /etc wees maar daar is nie een daar nie
[21:12] <chillie> sflr ; where do i download ubuntu studio in software centre ?
[21:13] <sflr> its a different ubuntu distro: http://ubuntustudio.org/
[21:13] <sflr> Like Kubuntu, etc
[21:13] <inetpro> sflr: but you can just install the package ubuntustudio-desktop
[21:13] <inetpro> that is AFAIAA
[21:14] <inetpro> as far as I am aware
[21:14] <sflr> here is the features https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/12.04release_notes
[21:14] <chillie> thx sflr it is bizy downloading
[21:14] <inetpro> chillie: waar is jy vandaan?
[21:15] <chillie> even better thx sflr
[21:15] <chillie> inetpro : tzaneen
[21:15] <chillie> en jy inetpro
[21:15] <inetpro> ahh
[21:16] <inetpro> eerste ubuntu gebruiker waarvan ek hoor in daardie wêreld
[21:16] <inetpro> hoop dit gaan nie die laaste ene wees nie :-)
[21:17] <chillie> jawat wat kan ek se :-> nee al die mense wat ek help laai ek ubuntu nie windows nie
[21:17] <chillie> van waar is jy
[21:17] <inetpro> chillie: jy kan gerus gebruik maak van XCHAT om hier te kom kuier
[21:17] <sflr> tzaneen? wow!
[21:18] <chillie> from where are you guys ?
[21:18]  * inetpro from Pretoria
[21:18] <sflr> I'm from Cape Town
[21:18] <chillie> is it cold where you are ?
[21:19] <sflr> here yes. cold and raining right now. and dark. haha
[21:19] <inetpro> lol
[21:20] <chillie> i whana build the linux from scrach do you know any one who's a expert on lfs
[21:20] <inetpro> Pretoria was a bit uncomfortable today but not that cold
[21:20] <chillie> no way dark also where are you in south africa there where the lion's roam freely ? :-)
[21:21] <chillie> o inetpro thats nice
[21:22] <sflr> there are many linux experts. lurking at the moment
[21:22] <sflr> do you want to build it from source?
[21:23] <inetpro> chillie: but you may want to hang out at #glug.za for more linux gurus if you don't come right here
[21:23] <inetpro> but they've been very quiet lately
[21:23] <chillie> yes it is an project http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/
[21:24]  * inetpro has settled on Kubuntu as a everyday working environment
[21:24] <Banlam> http://imgur.com/gallery/hvGul
[21:25] <Banlam> these things always hurt my brain
[21:25] <inetpro> Banlam: cool
[21:25] <chillie> banlam : what hurt your brain ?
[21:26] <Banlam> the link
[21:26] <charl> hmm seems like imgur is down?
[21:26] <Banlam> other people have also commented on that
[21:26] <Banlam> but mine is workign perfectly
[21:27] <Banlam> you're not on a university internet conneciton are you?
[21:27] <sflr> its working. its the boxes.
[21:27] <sflr> mine too
[21:27] <charl> nope
[21:27] <charl> on my home cable connection
[21:27] <chillie> sorry its loading my internets a bit slow 
[21:28] <chillie> banlam thats cool 
[21:28] <sflr> THAT slow chillie? lol
[21:28]  * inetpro going to imitate Kilos
[21:29] <inetpro> chillie: are you on Twitter?
[21:29] <chillie> i was installing that ubuntu studio sflr but now it is installed back to big speed
[21:29] <sflr> thats right chillie. was just joking :)
[21:30] <sflr> haha inetpro. will tell Kilos tomorrow :D
[21:30] <chillie> sflr : sorry no im not on twitter y ?
[21:30] <inetpro> hmm.... if you were you should follow @ubuntuza on there for meeting announcements etc
[21:30] <chillie> inetpro : what does that mean (kilos
[21:31] <chillie> thx for the tip
[21:32] <inetpro> chillie: Kilos is our friendly ubuntu-za personality who never fails to invite new users
[21:32] <sflr> Kilos is one of the residents here. He is not online now.
[21:32] <chillie> o ok i love the friendship in ubuntu 
[21:33] <inetpro> chillie: you're welcome
[21:33] <chillie> inetpro and sflr : whats your email ?
[21:34] <inetpro> chillie: heh, I suggest you register on our mailing list
[21:34] <inetpro> many more peeps on there as well
[21:34] <inetpro> chillie: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[21:35] <chillie> inetpro ; you reading my mind 
[21:35] <inetpro> :-)
[21:37] <inetpro> chillie: but if you really want you can mail me at ghmeyer at gmail dot com
[21:38] <inetpro> but I guess I shall have to call it a day now
[21:38] <chillie> may you all have a wonderfull pigun filled dreams (i'm up and out - charleys choklet factory)
[21:39] <inetpro> :-)
[21:39] <sflr> cheers guys. chillie come again! :) i'm also out
[21:39] <inetpro> good night
[21:39] <sflr> 20 more minutes and its saturday already
[21:39] <chillie> thx i will good night
[21:39] <chillie> yes sflr thx for the time check
[21:40] <sflr> lol
[21:40] <chillie> quit: bey
[21:42] <superfly> inetpro: rule of thumb: never give out your e-mail address. *especially* to folks like that who will likely end up bothering your for everything
[22:05] <charl> superfly: while that might be true, you have the same problem on mailing lists where people inevitably have your email address in any case
[22:05] <charl> it's up to you though on how you manage that
[22:05] <charl> personally, i don't feel bad about asking a person to as questions on a public mailing list or a public irc channel insteAD
[22:05] <charl> sorry hit caps lock by accident