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baffone85hello00:07
avpxHey!00:07
baffone85can I use filemaker 12 on ubuntu?00:08
frogonwheelsbaffone85: is that a windoze app?00:15
frogonwheelsbaffone85: look on winehq appdb00:16
baffone85yes00:16
baffone85where do I look? Can you give me web link please?00:16
frogonwheelsbaffone85: well if you'd googled those winehq appdb you'd a' found it.00:17
frogonwheelsbaffone85: however:  http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=2582700:17
baffone85so on ubuntu 12.04 I can use filemaker. Is it right?00:19
frogonwheelsbaffone85: did you read the page?00:19
frogonwheelsbaffone85: http://www.osalt.com/filemaker00:20
frogonwheelsbaffone85: http://bit.ly/Mdvdeb00:24
baffone85thank's00:26
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zacariasAnyone running Kubuntu 12.04 on a Power PC?00:49
zacariasAnyone running Kubuntu 12.04 on a Power PC?01:14
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L3top!anyone | zacarias02:10
ubottuzacarias: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.02:10
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akishi03:39
akisis there any way to encrypt files/dirs in kubuntu 10.04?03:40
LauraRHello, I am having an issue after install where the screen settings don't stick on reboot.  I usually work with amd/ati machines so I would do it through CCC, but this is an intel hd graphics laptop.03:40
LauraRWhere would I edit the defaults so the settings are permanent03:40
ronnocLauraR: Hello. Were they changed in the Display and Monitor section of KDE's System Settings?03:42
LauraRronnoc: Yes they were.03:42
ronnocakis: I'm not sure, as 10.04 is not supported anymore I don't think03:43
LauraRronnoc: Applying also works, but the settings are lost on reboot.03:43
LauraRronnoc: Never mind, I MIGHT have just found my issue. I didn't hit "save as default" only apply!03:44
LauraRlet me try rebooting :)03:44
ronnoc:)03:44
ronnocOk let me know03:44
LauraRThanks, wish me luck.03:44
ronnocGL!03:44
akisit is still supported03:44
ronnocakis: See if this helps at all: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/10/create-encrypted-files-folders-ubuntu-10-0410-10-maverick-meerkat-seahorse/03:46
ronnochi Daskreech!03:46
L3topronnoc: Lucid is supported through 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS03:48
LauraRronnoc: Yup that was it.03:48
LauraRThanks again! :)03:48
ronnocLauraR: Anytime - though I didn't do anything ;)03:48
ronnocL3top: Thx for that...I had forgot03:49
LauraRWell describing it made me look closer =P03:49
L3top;)03:49
ronnoclol03:49
ronnocL3top: I looks like the 2015 date is only for server? Or am I mis-reading the chart?03:50
ronnocApril 2013 looks like the end for 10.04 desktop support03:50
akisi found this one http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/encrypt-home-folder-ubuntu-installation-linux/03:51
ronnocakis: Actually if I right-click a file or folder right in Dolpin I get an option to encrypt....03:52
ronnocdo you not have that?03:52
akisno i dont03:54
ronnocyou may have to go into your Dolphin configuration and under "services", make sure encryption and decryption are checked03:55
ronnocI'm running 12.04, and I have those options available03:55
ronnocthought there may be easier / better ways to do what you want to do03:58
L3topsorry, yes ronnoc... we run server... so... you are correct. 1004 desktop ed is through the first quarter of 2013.04:01
ronnocit's awesome that Canonical has extended these LTS dates out for Enterprise users to help make it really viable in both the server and desktop segments04:04
akisthere is no encrypt option under services of my Dolphin04:05
ronnocLauraR: WB04:15
LauraRronnoc: Thanks :)04:16
ronnoc:)04:16
ronnocman I wish Kontact would be 100 pct crash-free. I want to love it, I really do. But it keeps crashing about one out of every 100 emails I try to read/move/delete :/04:18
c_smithHello, I'm trying to reset Kontact (And the whole suite it represents) to as it would be in a fresh install. what folders would I delete? google isn't helping me.04:37
c_smithnever mind, figured it out (deleted everything in the folders that I knew I didn't need) man I need to clean out my configuration folders once in a while.04:40
prativasicHow to make Kpatience Game Theme?06:14
prativasicCan anybody provide me any reference?06:15
kubuntuhi06:51
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Guest35620hi 2 all06:52
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rmacHi, I was trying to install firefox on kubuntu but I am getting this (http://paste.kde.org/506210/) error.. can anyone help me out!?08:15
Mamarokrmac: could you please give some more information on your current system (Kubuntu version, KDE version) and which repositories you use?08:20
Mamaroklooks like y try getting firefox from a PPA, is that right?08:21
Mamarokyou*08:22
rmacMamarok: kde 4.8.1 and kubuntu is 11.10 ..08:22
rmacMamarok: I just did sudo apt-get install firefox08:22
Mamarokbecause you have 400+ packages waiting for an upgrade there08:22
qbitI just upgraded to Firefox 13 via Muon Package Manager on 75 bit and all was fine for me, however, I do not have GoogleTalk plugin installed - mine is KDE 4.8.4on 12.04 with all current updates08:23
qbits/75/6408:23
rmacMamarok: i do not want to upgrade to 12.04 because I have some development environment set up which might get wrecked if i upgrade it :-\08:23
Mamarokrmac: could you please paste your sources list?08:24
rmacMamarok: how can i do that? any command?08:24
MamarokMoment, I tell you where it is08:24
Mamarokit is here: /etc/apt/sources.list08:25
Mamarokrmac: you probably have a sources mismatch there, else it doesn't explain why you have so many updates in wait08:26
rmacMamarok: ok. let me check..08:26
Mamarokare you sure it is not just a regular update you didn't do?08:26
rmacMamarok: here it is.. http://paste.kde.org/506216/08:27
Mamarokyep, you have a mis-match with oneiric and natty and lucid package sources08:28
Mamarokyou should remove all the lucid and natty lines in there08:28
Mamaroksince you use 11.10 which is oneiric08:28
Mamarokand the do a sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade08:29
rmacMamarok: hmmm.. how is it causing a problem for firefox?08:29
Mamarokyou apparently didn't follow the correct dist-upgrade when you went prom natty to oneiric08:29
qbitmight also remove the google-talkplugin too, add back after08:29
Mamarokand your installation is not complete, else you wouldn't have 400+ packages waiting to be updated08:30
rmacMamarok: oh.. maybe :-\08:30
Mamarokqbit: I doubt that is the problem08:30
rmacMamarok: what is the actual procedure..08:30
Mamarokrmac: well, edit the source.list with kdesudo kate /etc/apt/source.list08:31
Mamarokremove all non-oneiric sources lines08:31
Mamaroksave it, then do what I told you above: sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get upgrade08:31
rmacMamarok: its already all commented out right? should i explicitly remove them?08:31
Mamarokno, you still have the lucid packages showing at the bottom08:32
Mamarokthose are not commented out08:32
Mamarokalso since those are all outdated you can as well remove them08:32
rmacMamarok: ok.. but while upgarading to 11.10 i did this >>> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports08:33
rmacMamarok: what actually does that mean>08:33
Mamarokand when you upgraded from Natty to Oneiric you probably didn't do it correctly08:33
Mamarokrmac: well, let's start with repairing what is wrong08:34
rmacMamarok: ok.. i'll edit that file right away..08:34
Mamarokif you want to add the kubuntu-ppa/ppa and kubuntu-ppa/backports you need to do this we will do it after that edit08:34
rmacMamarok:  ok. i commented them!08:36
Mamarokrmac: so to add the backports and kubuntu-ppa, do the following:08:36
Mamarokapt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa08:37
Mamarokand the same for ppa:/kubuntu-ppa/backports08:37
Mamarokthen: sudo apt-get update, followed by sudo-apt-get upgrade08:37
Mamarokthat will install all the missing packages08:37
rmacMamarok: ok.. on it..08:38
Mamarokhm, there is a typo in the second one:08:39
Mamarokapt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports08:39
rmacMamarok: when i did sudo apt-add-repository ppa:/kubuntu-ppa/backports i got this.. >>> http://paste.kde.org/506228/08:42
Mamarokrmac: read what I just wrote :)08:42
Mamarokremove the / after the :08:42
* Mamarok goes fetching more coffee08:43
lordievaderHello everyone, good morning08:53
Lord_Havoc_Hey! Wanna learn how to hack from people who actually "know" how to manipulate computers/networks?! Well you can right now by just joining our chat and asking questions. We're all patient and help people who dont understand. Join chat.us.freenode.net (6665) chan #hl2 See ya online!08:55
Mamaroknot relevant to this channel08:56
lordievaderIs there an option in dolphin to auto refresh when the contents of the folder has changed? (For example after a file has moved?)09:04
skramer_lordievader: Not sure if this is interesting for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185205509:16
lordievaderskramer_: Thank you, but it seems gamin doesn't have much effect, maybe I need to reboot for it. Oh well I guess F5 it is...09:17
lordievaderIt doesn't matter too much.09:17
skramer_;-)09:18
Mamaroklordievader: F5 indeed09:18
Mamarokwhich is used to refresh in many more apps than just Dolphin IIRC09:18
lordievaderMamarok: I know, but for a file browser it is just silly IMO.09:19
Mamarokwhy? The same is used in Konqueror, and I wouldn't be astonished if it were used in Nautilus09:21
Mamarokthere are plenty of reasons a file manager can't update itself, like showing remote shares09:22
Mamarokand all browsers use it as well09:23
Mamarokand no need for Gamin since there is KDirWatch and FAM09:24
lordievaderOh well, as I said, it matters not.09:25
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prativasicHow to make Kpatience Game Theme?10:30
prativasicany thought?10:30
BluesKajHey all12:45
openosHello How to repair SD card under Linux13:04
openosHow To repair SD card's In Kubuntu13:04
lordievaderopenos: What do you mean with repai?13:05
lordievaderrepar*13:05
lordievaderrepair**13:05
openos a repair utility13:05
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openosa repair utility for scrapped  SD Card13:06
lordievaderopenos: What is wrong with it? You cannot read it or something?13:06
openosYes write Protected13:06
openosSD Duo Card13:06
lordievaderopenos: Write protection usually is a harware switch, have you checked for such a switch on the SD card?13:07
openosThere Is Now Switch In This kind Of SD Card Is PSP card13:08
Joitopenos:  take the card out, look at it, and there is usual a very little switch13:09
lordievaderAh it's not a sd card... What does info does sudo fdisk -l give you about it?13:09
openosOki Wait13:09
lordievaderopenos: Oh hey these do have such a switch: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b9kQtY-02vM/SddrVH8NvMI/AAAAAAAAAPU/zig-TYGK-qQ/s400/MemorySticks.JPG13:10
Joitwow, that are anyway luxury cards13:12
lordievaderSony's own cards, luckily for my father the nex-5 uses the standard SD cards.13:13
openosDisque /dev/sdb : 8189 Mo, 8189378560 octets13:13
openos252 têtes, 62 secteurs/piste, 1023 cylindres, total 15994880 secteurs13:13
openosUnités = secteurs de 1 * 512 = 512 octets13:13
openosTaille de secteur (logique / physique) : 512 octets / 512 octets13:13
openostaille d'E/S (minimale / optimale) : 512 octets / 512 octets13:13
FloodBotK1openos: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.13:13
openosIdentifiant de disque : 0xffffffff13:13
Joiti got mostly something like this, where the swith is at the left side http://www.allmemorycards.com/sd.htm13:14
openosOkey13:14
lordievader!paste | openos13:14
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BluesKajlordievader, we had a sd that wasn't recognized a week ago , but we solved the problem by using the usb adapter13:14
lordievaderJoit: Jup those are the standard SD cards.13:15
BluesKajstill doesn't solve the recognition problem tho13:15
lordievaderBluesKaj: Faulty internal card reader?13:15
Joitopenos he only mutes you afterwards for a moment, doesnt hurt13:15
openoshttp://pastebay.net/106583413:15
openoshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1055913/13:16
lordievaderopenos: Anyhow, have you checked for the switch?13:17
Joitusual you should can format the card all time, even when the files are only set to write protected with a file option, still can read and copy away13:17
openosThis Is a PSP Memory Card There Is No Switch in it13:18
lordievaderopenos: Have you checked the image I gave you? It is a Memory Stick Pro Duo isn't it?13:18
Joitwhy do need french allways have such extraordinary things ? :p13:18
openosYes Is A Pro Duo13:18
lordievaderopenos: Have you seen this image? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b9kQtY-02vM/SddrVH8NvMI/AAAAAAAAAPU/zig-TYGK-qQ/s400/MemorySticks.JPG13:19
openosIn The Middel from sony this is it13:19
openosMy Memory stick is the One In the Middle13:19
lordievaderopenos: Yes, they are all the same, so your should also have a lock switch on the other side.13:20
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qw[UA]hello all13:20
ubuntumaury_!saive13:20
openosthere Is No switch i think my memory card is a chiness version13:20
qw[UA]i would like install Lazarus help me please13:21
Joitopenos is that card from a playstation, or do you have a link to the manufactor ?13:22
lordievaderopenos: That is odd, why don't the chinese comform to the standard. What happens when you try to mount it? sudo mount /dev/sdb <some-mount-dir>13:23
openosI just buy it from a electronic shop13:23
lordievaderqw[UA]: You mean this lazarus: http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/13:25
Joiti did search for psp memorycards, but got really strange results13:26
Joitbut seems he gave up13:26
lordievaderJoit: Its the Memory Stick Pro Duo.13:27
lordievaderqw[UA]: Lazarus seems to be available in the repos, so a simple apt-get install lazarus will do.13:28
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Joitthis ?http://www.allmemorycards.com/memory-stick-pro-duo.htm13:29
Joitit has a switch :D13:30
ubuntumaury!saive13:30
Joit !?Save? there is nothing to save anymore13:30
lordievaderJoit: I know, and so should his. Unless the chinese really do not know what a standard is. (He claimed his was chinese)13:31
Joitoops, now i triggered ubotto to send me a msg13:31
Joitwell, hopefully he will figure it out13:32
devilchaosho folks having problems with updating system and installing software poss conflicting repos in the sources.list can someon either give me a copy of theres or point me in the right direction of the ones for latest release please ?13:49
devilchaoshad a bit skulk about through google but is a bit hap hazard13:51
lordievaderdevilchaos: What happens when you run sudo apt-get update?13:53
devilchaoshold on.....13:53
devilchaoshttp://pastebin.com/jYeptZBa13:55
lordievaderdevilchaos: He seems to fail to download the package list of the main repo. You could change that to a mirror. And the spotify repos is also not reachable, I suggest just removing that one, you can allways get the repos later again.13:58
devilchaoslorsievader: ?13:58
devilchaos em.... the spotify one to get rid of and  other to change to what mirror ? im uk14:00
lordievaderdevilchaos: To something close by. Germany, holland, etc perhaps even the US.14:01
devilchaoshashed the spotify out14:02
lordievaderdevilchaos: Do you know how to edit your sources?14:02
devilchaosyes14:02
devilchaosah ok ill give it a shot14:02
devilchaosfrance ?14:03
lordievaderdevilchaos: For example, after editing your sources run the apt-get update again to see if there are any other sources unreachable.14:03
devilchaosso it would be deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise multiverse?14:04
devilchaosyup yup14:04
lordievaderdevilchaos: No idea, I usually use a gui for the mirror change. If I have to.14:04
devilchaosi c14:05
lordievaderdevilchaos: Seems to be right though.14:05
devilchaosok ill try it out14:06
devilchaosbrb14:06
devilchaosor would i be getting the fail because i need the pgp keys?14:07
lordievaderdevilchaos: Try and you will see.14:07
devilchaoslordievader: changed all to fr and works perfectly thx v much for your help havent a clue whats goin on with the gb14:12
lordievaderdevilchaos: Sometimes mirrors/servers fail, can happen for quite a number of reasons...14:13
devilchaoscool beanos :)14:13
devilchaoslordievader: any suggestions on encrypt software for kubumtu?14:14
devilchaoslol buntu14:14
devilchaos:)14:14
lordievaderdevilchaos: Truecrypt works well under (k)ubuntu, also has support for Windows, and is know to be allmost uncrackable.14:15
devilchaosyeah had read tht through a google search but couldnt install bcos of the repo probs al try again now though14:16
devilchaos:)14:16
lordievaderdevilchaos: I saw that :)14:17
BluesKajlordievader, oddly enough the card reader suddenly recognized the card and accesses to the photos appeared aswell.14:17
lordievaderBluesKaj: That is quite strange...14:17
BluesKajslow daemon ?14:18
lordievaderPerhaps, or a dying card... I don't know.14:18
BluesKajno , the card worked perfectly om wife's W7 pc14:19
lordievaderHmm, I see. That would point then to a fault somewhere on the pc, either the reader itself, communication from the reader to software, or the software... I'd say.14:20
BluesKajthe device notifier didn't pop up a message like it does with cd, dvd or USB media14:23
BluesKajshows up in dolphin places though14:23
BluesKajas a drive14:24
lordievaderBluesKaj: Does fdisk see it?14:24
BluesKajyup , /dev/sde1   *         163      487423      243630+   6  FAT1614:26
devilchaoslordievader truecrypt still isnt therre14:26
BluesKajfat16 ? ..of course the camera is 8 yrs old14:27
lordievaderBluesKaj: Is the system able to mount it?14:28
lordievaderdevilchaos: Download it from their site: http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads14:29
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BluesKajlordievader, yes , otherwise I wouldn't be able to acces the photos and "sudo mount /dev/sde1 /mnt" didn't return any errors14:32
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lordievaderBluesKaj: Right, so it works? Did it give any errors when the card didn't want to be read?14:32
BluesKajit just said the card was empty14:33
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devilchaoscheers lad14:34
devilchaos:)14:35
BluesKajlordievader, I think the device scan daemon was slow , almost like it woke up or something ...weird14:36
francesco_ciao14:56
francesco_esistono plugin di ricerca su konversation?14:56
lordievaderfrancesco_: Are you spanish? If so, !spain | francesco_14:58
lordievader!spain | francesco_14:58
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BluesKaj!it |francesco_,15:07
ubottufrancesco_,: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)15:07
CM_Junkis anyone using kubuntu inside virtualbox?15:38
CM_Junkor does anyone know if privoxy is known not to work inside a virtual machine?15:41
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* L3top uses kubuntu in vbox all the time, does not know what privoxy is, so not sure he can be of help16:00
degeneratedso16:03
* JMichaelX wonders why the window for Qmpdclient cannot be properly resized16:20
skomorokhapt-get -f install, everything is in all the way. checked to make sure i didn't have a xtale xorg.conf (maybe something changed names) but I have none. touchpad is off in the bios, this is just the eraser thing16:33
skomorokhurp, trying to repost from yesterday, turned out i did as two messages... i'll try and get it in order this time, sorry ;)16:33
skomorokhhiya! xorg updates from sometime lastweek killed the trackpoint on my thinkpad (t520) anyone else have this happen? and find out why?16:34
skomorokhapt-get -f install, everything is in all the way. checked to make sure i didn't have a xtale xorg.conf (maybe something changed names) but I have none. touchpad is off in the bios, this is just the eraser thing16:34
lorddeltaBug: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ doens't work. It redirect to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions17:40
lorddeltaAt least, there doesn't seem to be a kde specific version?17:40
lorddeltaAnyways does anyone know a good way to get Knotify4 working properly? For some reason the application can't find a vorbis library with which to play all the lovely ogg notifications on the system.17:43
mah454Hello17:46
mah454I can not join to GoogleTalk in Kopete !17:47
mah454How can fix this problem ?17:47
lorddeltaJuk doesn't work either, any help with configuring the vorbis plugin (commands to reconfigure the correct packages, etc.) would be appreciated18:02
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pietro10Hi. I'm on a backup computer running Arch. I'm trying to install Kubuntu on an external dhard drive so I can use it to recover my main computer. I have already partitoined the disk, leaving a ~550GB NTFS partition at the start and free space elsewhere. I tred usb-creator but it won't let me install to the external drive. I cannot burn to CD and install from there right now. What are my options? Thanks.19:55
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lordievaderpietro10: Make a live-usb with the usb-creator, and boot the usb stick, and from there do the install.20:01
pietro10Ok. I won't be able to get a USB stick until later; is there anything I can do now?20:02
lordievaderpietro10: Not that I know of. If you would be in Windows you could do a Wubi install, but that is not a "real" linux install.20:04
pietro10ok, thanks anyway20:04
ubuntumaury!list20:10
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ubottuubuntumaury: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)20:20
alrea7hi20:55
alrea7im stupid but thats me20:55
alrea7i play in my panel20:56
alrea7before its easy to swich language now ilose it so icant write any ting except english20:56
alrea7can irestore bac my panel20:57
alrea7imean default panel20:57
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alrea7ok thanks bay20:58
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c_smithHello, I'm having issues burning a ISO, I tried in K3B, but it says "Unable to fixate disk" and in Brasero, it shoots me an "SCSI error" what could be the possible cause of this?21:42
c_smithbtw, my optical drive is an SCSI drive.21:42
c_smithmore info on my issue: I looked at the debugging output, Wodim seems to be failing to fixate the disk.21:48
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faglnarWhat could cause vlc to hang when opening (any) media? I already apt-get --purge remove 'ed it and reinstalled22:35
faglnarseems not to be a usersetting22:36
Avihayfaglnar: you can try a different output plugin22:50
Avihayif it, say, uses the opengl output plugin and your opengl driver implementation is lacking some special features it needs...22:51
AvihayI particularly like the color ascii one22:52
faglnarAvihay: but it hangs even even when playing just audio22:53
Avihayrun it in a terminal, do you get some more info?22:54
AvihayGDB?22:54
faglnarnothing it just freezes completely, no log autput i need to sigkill it22:56
christopherI just wanted to pop in here to say Kubuntu rocks, Ubuntu 12.05 has a problem with coming out of suspend mode. I found some work arounds, including some scripts that just never worked. Kubuntu works straight out of the box and I've had the least problems with it. I haven't used MINT or many others but Kubuntu just freakin Rocks!22:57
faglnarchristopher: yes kubuntu rocks because kde rocks because kde is awesome and the distro a tradeoff between new and stable but imo kde gets not enough love23:00
Avihayfaglnar: you can try running it in gdb, though if it hangs, I don't know how to make gdb stop. maybe someon else can help. another option is to install a different option23:00
faglnarAvihay: how does gbd work? i never had to use it23:02
genii-aroundfaglnar: gdb programname   ... then: run <options>     after it finishes, q to quit23:02
christopherOkay lol then KDE rocks, I just think its the bees knees. The only wierd thing is, I'm setting up a VM and It's hang up when installing language packs...but either way I def like the feel of this a lot better. Ubuntu looks smooth but this takes the cake as far as ease of use. I'm sure I'll figure out the VM installation issue, I'd rather work on that than trying to make Ubuntu come out of suspend properly :P So KDE won over a new FAN!!23:03
genii-aroundeg: gdb apt-get  ... then: run dist-upgrade   .... when everything settles out and it finishes, q23:03
christophergenii, was that for me? I'll give that a try23:04
genii-aroundfaglnar: You need the -gdb package installed for whichever program you are trying to debug23:04
genii-aroundchristopher: No, not for you, apologies23:05
christopherha ha no worries, I was on a solution page and it looked close to your commands. Thnx tho23:05
* faglnar loading debug stuff why are debug packages so huge?23:07
pietro10symbol tables and source references are huge23:10
Avihaychristopher: KDE (desktop environment) sucks, it's nowhere near what one might call a finished product and neither is kubuntu. what do you call a system with a network manager that has been broken for over two years, and is still broken for some?(hangup bug), what do you call a system where the default taskmanager has such obvious bugs that you don't want to use it as a showoff to people from other OSs23:12
genii-aroundAlso often it needs to pull in all the debug packages for the packages the one you're looking at depends upon23:12
AvihayI would have never have taken years, YEARS ! of abuse like this from any other OS/DE. must be love.23:14
christopherWell, from my personal experience and my laptop. Out of the box Kubuntu has given me the least amount of problems compared to Ubuntu. For me the power management, the issue with Ubuntu not knowing how to properly come out of Suspend. The solutions listed didn't solve my problem. I think every user's needs are going to be different, I've never had problems with the network manager and it's seemed to work very well for me. This is why I'm23:15
christopherof the opinion that it rocks, at least for me lol23:15
faglnarAvihay: imo still better than unity which deprives me of gui settings and WAY BETTER than gnome which goes single app centric, i cant stand taht23:15
christopherI should say KDE sorry23:15
* genii-around makes a fresh pot of coffee, hands a mug with blue gears and Avihay's name on it to them23:16
christopherlol, I need a cup!23:18
* genii-around slides christopher a mug as well23:19
faglnarhaving loaded the gbd stuff for vlc and ran gdb vlc and then run it said the the following:23:19
Avihaywell, suspend never worked for me, (damn you Intel with your GFX card!), hibernate is... flakey, card reader stopped working after a kernel update, sensors go on the frits sometimes, and hardware rfkill somtimes reads as stuck in the off state. changeing the brightness sends keyboard events so everytime the screen shutdown happens, the keysend just gets the laptop out of screensaver mode, and that's just the stuff I remember right now23:20
Avihaythanks genii-around23:20
faglnarhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1056711/23:20
* Avihay sips23:20
christopherNice, Gracias genii! I gotta go do the work thing but I'll be back later; have fun guys, nice meeting the room!23:21
faglnarwhere does vlc save its user specific settings?23:22
Avihaythread 17942 and maybe others are still running23:22
faglnarbecause on my other account it plays fine23:22
Avihayyou should switch to all active threads and run bt to show the stack23:22
Avihaybt is one of GDB's commands23:23
Avihayyou may need to press ctrl+c to get GDB's prompt23:23
Avihayfrom the state it is in now23:23
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faglnarprogram got sigint waits at ../bla/bla/lowlevellock.S:132 <- this file doesnt exist23:26
faglnarhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1056719/23:27
Avihayfaglnar:  that's just a thread waiting on a lock(mutex), you need to have a look at the other threads and see if there's something else that can indicate the issue23:38
Avihaysec, I'll look for how to switch threads in gdb23:38
faglnarsry the help-all is a bit overwhelming to me23:39
Avihayok, seems like you get a list of threads if you type "thread", and you can switch between them by "thread <id>" where <id> is a number assigned to the thread by GDB, it will usually be <1023:43
Avihayno need for the quotes. switch between all the active threads and make a bt for each one of them23:44
faglnar6 threads http://paste.ubuntu.com/1056732/23:46
faglnari switched through them and bt 'ed23:46
Avihaythat's exactly the output I wanted23:48
Avihayjust to make sure, you pressed ctrl+c after VLC  hanged?23:49
faglnarthe only thing that jumps to my eye is those 0x0000... in ?? () lines at the end of a thread output23:50
faglnaryes23:50
faglnarotherwise i could not type in gdb23:50
faglnarvlc is frozen but i have not killed it yet23:53
Avihaywell, it seems like two threads are pooling for something while the other threads are waiting for mutex locks to open up. I can't even guess what the issue is. you may want to try your luck with the developers23:54
faglnardo they have a chan on freenode?23:54
faglnaryes they do23:54
Avihayyes23:56

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