[15:10] hi guys. anyone knows if sound is currently broken in the ubuntu 12.10 daily builds? [15:15] hi DomasoFan [15:16] DomasoFan: I am running quantal that I upgraded a couple of days ago, I will update it and check sounds [15:18] AlanBell: i guess i used yesterdays build but that seems to have no sound or something. currently downloading the iso from today. tested in VirtualBox. [15:20] I have sound [15:21] AlanBell: hmm. strange. its still the same activation way? waiting until the drums then hitting ctrl+s. [15:21] DomasoFan: yeah, should be [15:22] I actually did a do-release-upgrade from precise, but a few weeks ago I installed in virtualbox and it was the same [15:22] AlanBell: hmm. let's see. the iso is now downloaded. [15:22] plus I did reinforce to everyone at UDS how important the drums were at that point# [15:28] AlanBell: hmm. seems orca comes up and all things but no sound in virtualbox. using the default ac97 card. [15:31] AlanBell: i also tried to increase the volume or mute/unmute the card. but nothing. i have some buttons on the keyboard which i can use for that which ubuntu seems to recognize. [15:35] AlanBell: just also tested with the intel hd audio card which also seems not to work. interesting. [15:43] DomasoFan: I will try an install later from todays iso [15:45] AlanBell: thanks. wonder how it will do over there. [15:46] it should now have the fix I did to bug 1010179 [15:46] Launchpad bug 1010179 in ubiquity "orca reads "replace windows with Ubuntu" when windows was not installed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010179 [17:33] so. back. [18:36] so. dear ubuntu, when you don't want to run from the daily iso then you are getting upgraded. *lol*. downloading around 400 mb of stuff. let's see afterwards if it still boots. [19:52] DomasoFan: just booted todays 12.10 CD and got a low volume slider position and no actual sound [19:52] and just tried 12.04 and got sound [19:52] ok, I will file a bug and harass people about this one [19:53] AlanBell: i now updated my 12.04 install to 12.10. seems to work. [19:53] yeah, the upgrade is fine [19:53] just the daily image boots silent [19:53] AlanBell: yeah [19:54] AlanBell: also ubuntu 3d seems to do its job now quite responsively [20:08] bug 1016969 [20:08] Launchpad bug 1016969 in ubiquity "daily live cd boots silent in virtualbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016969 [20:10] AlanBell: thanks. you are all doing a great job. [20:12] DomasoFan: I can get audio on the ubiquity screen, but I had to use the mouse [20:12] I couldn't get to the top panel using alt+f10 [20:13] so with the mouse I clicked on the sound indicator then sound settings [20:13] then changed the connector dropdown from analog mono to one of the LFE options [20:13] but I can't give a keyboard sequence for doing that [20:18] yeah that could be difficult. i also guess that can change from system to system when you have that on a real machine. [20:20] probably. I expect this is a transitional thing, but I will poke people about this one, sound working was supposed to be a basic smoke test for the daily isos [20:20] here on my updated laptop i seem to be able to access the menus with alt+f10 [20:21] sure. sighted people sometimes forget about things they don't need. *smile* [20:21] or which they don't need yet. [20:21] might just be that in virtualbox the hud or something is stealing the alt key [20:22] normally it should work. i did that once on virtualbox too and it worked. i have the right ctrl key for the host key. [20:23] yeah, I am sure it used to work, lets see if it works in 12.04 [20:24] no, it doesn't [20:25] oops. interesting. hmm. [20:27] wonder which issue that is. but i guess in the OS itself it seemed to work as i tested that. but that was a while ago. [20:29] not sure, it might still be a virtualbox bug rather than a bug in the guest operating system [20:29] yeah that also could be the case. [20:35] i like it loads that also ubuntu is now a quite good alternative to windows. thats good competition. [20:37] if someone is interested: football EM 2012: spain france 2:0. [20:56] Pendulum and myself are doing a user days session in #ubuntu-classroom in a couple of minutes [20:56] and #ubuntu-classroom-chat for questions [20:56] it is on accessibility [20:57] i am unfortunately not around in a few minutes. will there be a log? [20:59] yes [21:00] good. goodbye. [22:03] AlanBell, Pendulum .. most excellent classroom session, thank you. [22:03] thanks genii-around [22:04] was that AAC thing the kind of thing you were thinking of? [22:08] AlanBell: My friend who was afflicted with ALS ( Lou Gehrig's disease ) went through many types of alternate input devices as he degraded. The first ones were things like over-size switches you mount on the desk when you have less motor control ( to be a mouse button, etc). Then alternate type pointing devices very much like joysticks. Eventually symbolic keyboards ( some of which interfaced to a computer by USB, others standalone [22:08] ARM-based ). In the end it was eye-tracking devices, again USB based. [22:10] Unfortunately, many of the devices were of course provided only with mainstream drivers or software. He was an avid Linux fan and I regretted at the time the lack of help in this area. [22:11] first accessibility thing I ever did was about 20 years ago, putting in a suite of classroom computers, there was one girl in a wheelchair who couldn't use a mouse, every time she clicked the mouse moved and missed what she was aiming at [22:12] so I ripped apart one of the mice and took it to the technology department and built a switch she could use with her left hand, wired up to the left mouse button [22:12] click with the left hand, control with the right hand, worked great [22:13] we looked at joysticks and things (the wheelchair was joystick controlled) but there were no mouse drivers for joysticks at the time [22:16] Yes, at that time there was something called "joymouse" in Windows which i could not find the equivelent of