[15:10] <DomasoFan> hi guys. anyone knows if sound is currently broken in the ubuntu 12.10 daily builds?
[15:15] <AlanBell> hi DomasoFan 
[15:16] <AlanBell> DomasoFan: I am running quantal that I upgraded a couple of days ago, I will update it and check sounds
[15:18] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: i guess i used yesterdays build but that seems to have no sound or something. currently downloading the iso from today. tested in VirtualBox.
[15:20] <AlanBell> I have sound
[15:21] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: hmm. strange. its still the same activation way? waiting until the drums then hitting ctrl+s.
[15:21] <AlanBell> DomasoFan: yeah, should be
[15:22] <AlanBell> I actually did a do-release-upgrade from precise, but a few weeks ago I installed in virtualbox and it was the same
[15:22] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: hmm. let's see. the iso is now downloaded.
[15:22] <AlanBell> plus I did reinforce to everyone at UDS how important the drums were at that point#
[15:28] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: hmm. seems orca comes up and all things but no sound in virtualbox. using the default ac97 card.
[15:31] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: i also tried to increase the volume or mute/unmute the card. but nothing. i have some buttons on the keyboard which i can use for that which ubuntu seems to recognize.
[15:35] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: just also tested with the intel hd audio card which also seems not to work. interesting.
[15:43] <AlanBell> DomasoFan: I will try an install later from todays iso
[15:45] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: thanks. wonder how it will do over there.
[15:46] <AlanBell> it should now have the fix I did to bug 1010179
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010179 in ubiquity "orca reads "replace windows with Ubuntu" when windows was not installed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010179
[17:33] <DomasoFan> so. back.
[18:36] <DomasoFan> so. dear ubuntu, when you don't want to run from the daily iso then you are getting upgraded. *lol*. downloading around 400 mb of stuff. let's see afterwards if it still boots.
[19:52] <AlanBell> DomasoFan: just booted todays 12.10 CD and got a low volume slider position and no actual sound
[19:52] <AlanBell> and just tried 12.04 and got sound
[19:52] <AlanBell> ok, I will file a bug and harass people about this one
[19:53] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: i now updated my 12.04 install to 12.10. seems to work.
[19:53] <AlanBell> yeah, the upgrade is fine
[19:53] <AlanBell> just the daily image boots silent
[19:53] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: yeah
[19:54] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: also ubuntu 3d seems to do its job now quite responsively
[20:08] <AlanBell> bug 1016969
[20:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1016969 in ubiquity "daily live cd boots silent in virtualbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016969
[20:10] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: thanks. you are all doing a great job.
[20:12] <AlanBell> DomasoFan: I can get audio on the ubiquity screen, but I had to use the mouse
[20:12] <AlanBell> I couldn't get to the top panel using alt+f10
[20:13] <AlanBell> so with the mouse I clicked on the sound indicator then sound settings
[20:13] <AlanBell> then changed the connector dropdown from analog mono to one of the LFE options
[20:13] <AlanBell> but I can't give a keyboard sequence for doing that
[20:18] <DomasoFan> yeah that could be difficult. i also guess that can change from system to system when you have that on a real machine.
[20:20] <AlanBell> probably. I expect this is a transitional thing, but I will poke people about this one, sound working was supposed to be a basic smoke test for the daily isos
[20:20] <DomasoFan> here on my updated laptop i seem to be able to access the menus with alt+f10
[20:21] <DomasoFan> sure. sighted people sometimes forget about things they don't need. *smile*
[20:21] <DomasoFan> or which they don't need yet.
[20:21] <AlanBell> might just be that in virtualbox the hud or something is stealing the alt key
[20:22] <DomasoFan> normally it should work. i did that once on virtualbox too and it worked. i have the right ctrl key for the host key.
[20:23] <AlanBell> yeah, I am sure it used to work, lets see if it works in 12.04
[20:24] <AlanBell> no, it doesn't
[20:25] <DomasoFan> oops. interesting. hmm.
[20:27] <DomasoFan> wonder which issue that is. but i guess in the OS itself it seemed to work as i tested that. but that was a while ago.
[20:29] <AlanBell> not sure, it might still be a virtualbox bug rather than a bug in the guest operating system
[20:29] <DomasoFan> yeah that also could be the case.
[20:35] <DomasoFan> i like it loads that also ubuntu is now a quite good alternative to windows. thats good competition.
[20:37] <DomasoFan> if someone is interested: football EM 2012: spain france 2:0.
[20:56] <AlanBell> Pendulum and myself are doing a user days session in #ubuntu-classroom in a couple of minutes
[20:56] <AlanBell> and #ubuntu-classroom-chat for questions
[20:56] <AlanBell> it is on accessibility
[20:57] <DomasoFan> i am unfortunately not around in a few minutes. will there be a log?
[20:59] <Pendulum> yes
[21:00] <DomasoFan> good. goodbye.
[22:03] <genii-around> AlanBell, Pendulum .. most excellent classroom session, thank you.
[22:03] <AlanBell> thanks genii-around 
[22:04] <AlanBell> was that AAC thing the kind of thing you were thinking of?
[22:08] <genii-around> AlanBell: My friend who was afflicted with ALS ( Lou Gehrig's disease ) went through many types of alternate input devices as he degraded. The first ones were things like over-size switches you mount on the desk when you have less motor control ( to be a mouse button, etc). Then alternate type pointing devices very much like joysticks. Eventually symbolic keyboards ( some of which interfaced to a computer by USB, others standalone 
[22:08] <genii-around> ARM-based ). In the end it was eye-tracking devices, again USB based.
[22:10] <genii-around> Unfortunately, many of the devices were of course provided only with mainstream drivers or software. He was an avid Linux fan and I regretted at the time the lack of help in this area.
[22:11] <AlanBell> first accessibility thing I ever did was about 20 years ago, putting in a suite of classroom computers, there was one girl in a wheelchair who couldn't use a mouse, every time she clicked the mouse moved and missed what she was aiming at
[22:12] <AlanBell> so I ripped apart one of the mice and took it to the technology department and built a switch she could use with her left hand, wired up to the left mouse button
[22:12] <AlanBell> click with the left hand, control with the right hand, worked great
[22:13] <AlanBell> we looked at joysticks and things (the wheelchair was joystick controlled) but there were no mouse drivers for joysticks at the time
[22:16] <genii-around> Yes, at that time there was something called "joymouse" in Windows which i could not find the equivelent of