[01:03] <gus-tavo> hi, i need help
[01:06] <gus-tavo> exit
[01:06] <gus-tavo> quit
[14:14] <PriceChild> !ops
[14:25] <PricceChild> !ops
[18:11] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil. Are you around?
[18:12] <thorwil> godbyk: seems so :)
[18:13] <godbyk> thorwil: Cool. Question for you.  top bar, Top bar, Top Bar.  Choose one. :)
[18:13] <godbyk> We're capitalizing Launcher and Dash.
[18:14] <godbyk> (Also, I think "top bar" sounds kinds of silly, but it seems to be what everyone calls it.)
[18:15] <thorwil> hmm. it's such a generic term, that implying it's a specific name seems problematic
[18:15] <thorwil> then again, it does belong to the trio, with Dash and Launcher
[18:16] <godbyk> Yeah, such is the quandary. Hence my appeal to you. :-)
[18:17] <thorwil> godbyk: if we can treat it more as a description, not as a Name, it must be "top bar"
[18:17] <godbyk> The Ubuntu wiki and even the official docs aren't terribly helpful because they're inconsistent in the capitalization of these terms.
[18:18] <godbyk> Here are some usage examples from the manual (with their current, inconsistent formatting and spelling):
[18:18] <godbyk> On the top bar, select \menu{File\then New Window}.
[18:18] <godbyk> Ubuntu 12.04 comes with an indicator menu in the top bar for sound-related applications and devices.
[18:18]  * thorwil wonders how and why the concept of capitalization developed, given that it has no equal in speech
[18:19] <godbyk> If a windows is maximized, its top-left buttons and menu are automatically hidden from view. To make them appear, just move your mouse to the left side of the \menu{Top Bar}.
[18:19]  * godbyk wonders when you Germans will stop capitalizing every Noun in the Sentence.
[18:20] <thorwil> godbyk: if a case arrives where "top bar" refers to any other bar ...
[18:20] <godbyk> In earlier times (in English, at least), they tended to capitalize any words they thought were Important.
[18:20] <thorwil> godbyk: do you know the german example in facor of capitalization. "helft den armen vögeln?"
[18:23] <thorwil> if we capitalize *the* "Top Bar", it helps with distinction if there is any other top bar
[18:23] <godbyk> thorwil: Heh! A fair point. :)
[18:23] <godbyk> True.
[18:23] <godbyk> Looking at the results of grep -i top.bar */*.tex, it appears that it always refers to *the* top bar.
[18:24] <godbyk> (Though the grammar surround the term varies slightly. More nitpicky details for me to consider, I suppose.)
[18:24] <godbyk> There's also a margin note that states: \emph{Top Bar} is also referred as \emph{Top Panel}.
[18:25] <godbyk> And "top panel" is used in a few other places in the manual (always lowercase, incidentally).
[18:25] <thorwil> godbyk: btw, that german sentence can be read as either "help the poor birds" or "help the poor to (uhm ...) screw". capitalization can make it unambiguous.
[18:27] <godbyk> thorwil: A quick Google search revealed that.
[18:28] <thorwil> godbyk: it was funny when i brought that example up, when my flatmate from china questioned the need for capitalization. only after opening my mouth, i realized that i would no have to explain that bit of slang ...
[18:28] <thorwil> luckily the reaction of a 3rd person an my slight unease was all the hinting required
[18:28] <godbyk> heh
[18:28] <thorwil> godbyk: cool. i would have assumed all useful explanations to be in german ...
[18:29] <godbyk> The non-best answer here <http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111004160153AAhRbLz> helped.
[18:29] <godbyk> Interestingly, the best answer was useless.
[18:30] <thorwil> 0.o
[18:30] <godbyk> Google Translate apparently doesn't take the difference in capitalization into account, btw. It translates both phrases the same.
[18:30] <thorwil> yahoo answers, frequent example of how things should not work out
[18:30] <godbyk> Agreed.