[01:03] hi, i need help [01:06] exit [01:06] quit === vibhav is now known as Guest61908 === Guest61908 is now known as vibhav === vibhav is now known as Guest37517 === Guest37517 is now known as vibhav [14:14] !ops === PriceChild is now known as PricceChild [14:25] !ops === PricceChild is now known as d === d is now known as TossTheSalad === TossTheSalad is now known as Rimjob [18:11] Hey, thorwil. Are you around? [18:12] godbyk: seems so :) [18:13] thorwil: Cool. Question for you. top bar, Top bar, Top Bar. Choose one. :) [18:13] We're capitalizing Launcher and Dash. [18:14] (Also, I think "top bar" sounds kinds of silly, but it seems to be what everyone calls it.) [18:15] hmm. it's such a generic term, that implying it's a specific name seems problematic [18:15] then again, it does belong to the trio, with Dash and Launcher [18:16] Yeah, such is the quandary. Hence my appeal to you. :-) [18:17] godbyk: if we can treat it more as a description, not as a Name, it must be "top bar" [18:17] The Ubuntu wiki and even the official docs aren't terribly helpful because they're inconsistent in the capitalization of these terms. [18:18] Here are some usage examples from the manual (with their current, inconsistent formatting and spelling): [18:18] On the top bar, select \menu{File\then New Window}. [18:18] Ubuntu 12.04 comes with an indicator menu in the top bar for sound-related applications and devices. [18:18] * thorwil wonders how and why the concept of capitalization developed, given that it has no equal in speech [18:19] If a windows is maximized, its top-left buttons and menu are automatically hidden from view. To make them appear, just move your mouse to the left side of the \menu{Top Bar}. [18:19] * godbyk wonders when you Germans will stop capitalizing every Noun in the Sentence. [18:20] godbyk: if a case arrives where "top bar" refers to any other bar ... [18:20] In earlier times (in English, at least), they tended to capitalize any words they thought were Important. [18:20] godbyk: do you know the german example in facor of capitalization. "helft den armen vögeln?" [18:23] if we capitalize *the* "Top Bar", it helps with distinction if there is any other top bar [18:23] thorwil: Heh! A fair point. :) [18:23] True. [18:23] Looking at the results of grep -i top.bar */*.tex, it appears that it always refers to *the* top bar. [18:24] (Though the grammar surround the term varies slightly. More nitpicky details for me to consider, I suppose.) [18:24] There's also a margin note that states: \emph{Top Bar} is also referred as \emph{Top Panel}. [18:25] And "top panel" is used in a few other places in the manual (always lowercase, incidentally). [18:25] godbyk: btw, that german sentence can be read as either "help the poor birds" or "help the poor to (uhm ...) screw". capitalization can make it unambiguous. [18:27] thorwil: A quick Google search revealed that. [18:28] godbyk: it was funny when i brought that example up, when my flatmate from china questioned the need for capitalization. only after opening my mouth, i realized that i would no have to explain that bit of slang ... [18:28] luckily the reaction of a 3rd person an my slight unease was all the hinting required [18:28] heh [18:28] godbyk: cool. i would have assumed all useful explanations to be in german ... [18:29] The non-best answer here helped. [18:29] Interestingly, the best answer was useless. [18:30] 0.o [18:30] Google Translate apparently doesn't take the difference in capitalization into account, btw. It translates both phrases the same. [18:30] yahoo answers, frequent example of how things should not work out [18:30] Agreed.