[03:21] <len-dt> New ISO has landed... Thanks all who helped.
[04:48] <len-live> 12.10 ISO boots.
[04:51] <len-live> 12.10 ISO settings menu is changed, has a lot more menu entries.
[04:52] <len-live> I think the names have changed.
[05:05] <len-live> Nautilus is wonky. it does not show mass storage devices as it used to. The menu background colour is wrong and it calls itself "files", but ps x still shows nautilus.
[05:10] <len-live> In fact removable devices don't show anywhere... desktop or thunar either
[05:20] <len-live> Installer knows I am PST again :)
[05:23] <len-live> Installer screen is still too tall for a netbook. scroll bars still show up too.
[07:32] <astraljava> len-dt: I don't suppose we'll partake on Alpha-2 milestone, still? ;)
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[15:10] <len-1210> I was able to install the 1210 ISO without glitch.
[15:18] <len-1210> The big problem for me is the missing gui stuff in files/nautilus/thunar/desktop to mount unmount other storage devices.
[15:22] <len-dt> astraljava, we haven't done anything yet. It also looks like we have to go back and make things that worked before work again.
[15:25] <len-dt> I don't see anything really new happening this cycle. Add some new apps that are missing, fix up the menu some more, get permissions right so that the stuff we added to the kernel is available to the software that needs it.
[16:01] <astraljava> len-dt: That sort of was my drift. :)
[16:05] <len-dt> astraljava, I guess web page and docs could be really big though. 
[16:05] <len-dt> That was the one thing missing 12.04
[16:05] <astraljava> Sure. Oh well, there's still about four months left of this cycle. We could technically still kick arse.
[16:06] <len-dt> I am just looking at the software-center man page. It looks like it is possible to start it with a selection of software.
[16:07] <len-dt> So we could have it start with an audio selection of stuff we don't ship for example.
[16:10] <len-dt> astraljava, instead of the software center menu item it could be a submenu with audio/photography/graphics/video/all software selectors in it. 
[16:13] <len-dt> I get the idea there are a lot more ways of starting this software, but the man page is pretty bleak. 
[16:14] <len-dt> astraljava, so far as kicking arse.... a leader would really help.
[16:16] <astraljava> len-dt: I'm pretty lost on software center, it'd rock if someone could look into that, as it seems to be the only real GUI in the future for package management, I heard synaptic is going away.
[16:17] <len-dt> Life happens though, my activity has been pretty low too.
[16:17] <astraljava> len-dt: As for leader, I don't know what's going on and going to happen. Let's give it (him) some time.
[16:18] <astraljava> len-dt: Yeah, mine too. And it looks like I'm going to be more active on Xubuntu side this cycle, but let's still try not to let this flavor die, anyway. :)
[16:18] <len-dt> astraljava, Ya it would be nice to be able to give S.C. a file with a list of apps to show. Or a type of sw to show
[16:18] <len-dt> astraljava, do you know what part of xfce gives us the storage device icons?
[16:19] <len-dt> Is xubuntu missing them as well?
[16:21] <astraljava> len-dt: Yes, they are.
[16:21] <astraljava> Or it is*
[16:21] <astraljava> Whichever is the correct form. :)
[16:21] <len-dt> both are close enough..
[16:22] <len-dt> Those of us born speaking english spend our whole life mucking it up :)
[16:23] <len-dt> astraljava, So is this something that will come back? Is it something to do with xfce 4.10?
[16:24] <len-dt> Was xfce4-util pulling in something that is not there anymore?
[16:36] <len-dt> astraljava, we seem to be missing gvfsd-dnssd, gvfsd-http, gvfsd-network, gvfsd-smb-browse
[16:39] <len-dt> astraljava, gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor seems to be replaced by gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor.
[16:41] <len-dt> I am not sure if this is xfce related or if all of ubuntu has this problem
[16:42] <astraljava> I'm not really sure, to be honest. I haven't investigated the issue at all, yet, but one tester reported this and I doubt it's fixed so far.
[16:42] <astraljava> I'd lean towards it being the removable drives mounting over at xfce's side, though.
[16:43] <len-dt> It doesn't work for nautilus either.
[16:43] <len-dt> I think I will download vanilla and see if it is there.
[16:51] <len-dt> A mass storage device is not auto mounted either.
[16:53] <astraljava> On vanilla?
[16:54] <len-dt> I am not sure, there is a bug report #1010523, but it says 11.10, however it is recent enough it might be a typeo
[16:55] <len-dt> Bug #1010523
[16:55] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1010523 in linux (Ubuntu) "no usb attached storage works" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010523
[16:55] <len-dt> The kernels mentioned look to new to be 11.10
[16:56] <astraljava> Yeah but it's from apport, isn't it?
[16:56] <len-dt> Scratch that...
[16:56] <len-dt> Kernel is old enough.
[16:59] <len-dt> astraljava, I guess I will have to DL vanilla...
[17:00] <len-dt> I am not good at searching bugs... picking out good search strings
[17:04] <len-dt> astraljava, this looks related...Bug #1011257
[17:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1011257 in gnome-disk-utility (Ubuntu) "x-gvfs-show option doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1011257
[17:06] <len-dt> And this bug #1012081 
[17:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1012081 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "util-linux needs updating to 2.21+" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012081
[17:06] <astraljava> Right, but that's with the old kernel, still.
[17:07] <len-dt> No its 12.10
[17:07] <len-dt> kernel 3.4.0-5.11-generic 3.4.0
[17:08] <len-dt> Thats ahead of ours.
[17:08] <len-dt> US 12.10 kernel is still 3.2.0.23
[17:09] <len-dt> astraljava, this may also be related: Bug #1015854 
[17:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1015854 in sound-juicer (Ubuntu) "Fails to find cdrom with gvfs* 1.13.1-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1015854
[17:12] <len-dt> astraljava, it looks like a vanilla gvfs (or supporting SW) problem
[17:13] <len-dt> I will DL vanilla and see if my problem is there and do another bug report, but include at least one of these bugs as ref.
[17:13] <astraljava> Oh, well it's possible the -lowlatency hasn't been updated recently.
[17:13] <astraljava> I think the vanilla goes in 3.5 already.
[17:14] <len-dt> astraljava, we need to do two updates, one for 12.04 and one for 12.10
[17:15] <astraljava> What has precise got?
[17:29] <len-dt> astraljava, precise is one version back from vanilla. My Yf's netbook is one more.3.2.0.24 or something.
[17:29] <len-dt> same kernel but updated.
[17:30] <astraljava> Alright, one more thing to the TODO list... *sigh*
[17:44] <len-dt> astraljava, BTW, synaptic is faster and more flexable than software centre, I hope it remains available on some PPA.
[17:44] <astraljava> Could be, but it's unlikely that we can keep it on the images, though.
[17:45] <len-dt> astraljava, it is nice for checking depends etc.
[17:45] <astraljava> bah... that's what terminal is for. *smirk*
[17:45] <len-dt> Ya, aptitude has all that. I imagine it will stay around for server
[17:46] <len-dt> astraljava, I'v been spoiled....
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[21:17] <len-1210> Bug #1016978 
[21:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1016978 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus shows no devices" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016978
[21:19] <len-1210> astraljava, ^^ if the xubuntu tester who had the same problem filed a bug, I can mark this a dup, or if not they can confirm and add any info to this one.
[21:20] <astraljava> Yeah, we just need to figure out the root cause first.
[21:20] <len-1210> vanilla seems to be ok
[21:21] <len-1210> They have a section called "devices" at the top of the side bar. That seems to be missing on our version. I would guess xubuntu is using thunar, but I had the same problem there too.