[09:44] <cc_INC> I read up some stuff about zsync. I fully understand it now :)
[09:48] <hobgoblin> cool
[09:49] <hobgoblin> I finally sorted mine out with some aliases - so I just got 32l 64l 32a or 64a 
[09:49] <hobgoblin> cc_INC: you managed to do any testing?
[09:51] <cc_INC> Doing the first test as we speak. Been a busy week but I finaly have time to go testing done!
[09:51] <cc_INC> :)
[09:51] <hobgoblin> cool :)
[09:55] <astraljava> cc_INC: Nice, cool to see more testers, we need you! :)
[09:56] <cc_INC> I more than happy to help out. If we all give a little bit we all benefit in the end :)
[09:57] <hobgoblin> absolutely
[09:59] <astraljava> cc_INC: Projects like these are too huge for volunteers to deal with alone, so if we distribute the forces, we get done a lot. It's something many people don't realize, they just think you need to be a top-notch programmer to be able to contribute.
[10:02] <cc_INC> This is most definitly true. I donated to opensource in the past.
[10:02] <cc_INC> But this is the first time I am ever actually doing something...get my lazy zelf in gear :)
[10:03] <hobgoblin> :)
[10:03] <hobgoblin> I used to do a lot of testing - but this is the first time I've been orgainsed enough to join in so people 'know' that there are results from me :)
[10:06] <knome> "dave lentz" ring any bells to anybody?
[10:06] <knome> he's been changing out bug statuses - some falsely
[10:07] <cc_INC> Never heard of him
[10:07] <knome> apparently goes by the nick dlentz
[10:08] <hobgoblin> was there not someone else doing this recently - can't remember where I heard it though I'm afraid
[10:12] <knome> i don't know what you are talking about :)
[10:12] <knome> if you mean somebody until the end of 12.04, yeah, there was charlie
[10:12] <knome> he did a good job though
[10:12] <cc_INC> Why would someone fake the testing?!?
[10:12] <hobgoblin> no - I heard somewhere someone was changing bug statuses - not necessarily xubuntu ones
[10:12] <hobgoblin> knome: https://launchpad.net/~dtl131
[10:12] <knome> but this dave, never heard of him, never seen him around here, and he goes changing our bug statuses without checking with us / actually knowing the status
[10:13] <knome> hobgoblin, that's the same guy
[10:13] <hobgoblin> guessed so
[10:13] <hobgoblin> contact him and ask him :)
[10:13] <knome> i got the impression he's very keen to get karma and to help, but his enthusiasm is converting wrong
[10:14] <hobgoblin> it is if that's what he's doing :(
[10:14] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/332687/comments/13
[10:15] <hobgoblin> that's not good 
[10:16] <knome> yep, not good at all.
[10:16] <knome> i fear we're going to end up with lots of falsely marked bugs that i won't catch
[10:17] <hobgoblin> is there anyway to filter them? 
[10:18] <knome> i suppose the only way is to be subscribed to all xubuntu-bugs and go through the mail in your inbox to see if that person changed them
[10:18] <hobgoblin> :(
[10:19] <hobgoblin> you could do a /notify dlentz on freenode and try and catch him on there 
[10:19] <knome> astraljava, hullo?
[10:19] <knome> he's not online
[10:20] <cc_INC> Why are there always some people who f**** things up?!?
[10:20] <hobgoblin> knome: I know - I checked - but if you do a /notify it will tell you when they logon 
[10:20] <cc_INC> What's the use of sabotaging?
[10:20] <knome> cc_INC, please note that #xubuntu-devel is fmaily friendly too, including obfuscated words
[10:20] <astraljava> Wha? I am.
[10:20] <knome> astraljava, good. can you read the backlog?
[10:20] <hobgoblin> astraljava: as long as you are not dlentz
[10:21] <knome> hobgoblin, he's not, i can confirm :P
[10:21] <hobgoblin> :)
[10:21] <cc_INC> knome sorry I will remember that :(
[10:21] <knome> cc_INC, np, and thanks
[10:21] <knome> i'm sure this guy believes he's of great help
[10:22] <cc_INC> I'm sure he's living in his own little world :)
[10:22] <cc_INC> He might need some help :)
[10:22] <knome> well, no - that's not it. it's just new contributors don't know what's useful
[10:22] <knome> and if they don't take contact to other people, they will be going more and more the wrong way
[10:23] <hobgoblin> member of the bug squad - you'd have thought he knew better 
[10:23] <knome> well, exactly
[10:23] <cc_INC> Hi guys.... I just encountered something I need some help in filing this properly.
[10:23] <knome> it's only the bug squad that seemingly can go change the statuses
[10:24] <hobgoblin> :(
[10:24] <knome> and it's not *too hard* to get to be a member
[10:24] <knome> cc_INC, go ahead
[10:24] <astraljava> knome: Sorry, no idea what's that about.
[10:24] <cc_INC> I installed Xubuntu by selecting guided - use entire disk
[10:24] <hobgoblin> I never looked into that knome - so can't comment
[10:24] <cc_INC> I got a dialogue box after I hit enter, but when I pressed next the install went well....
[10:24] <cc_INC> Do I need to rapport this dialogue box?!
[10:24] <knome> astraljava, a guy who we don't know changing our bug statuses to something they're not
[10:25] <astraljava> I got that, but I don't know the nick, nor why he's doing that. I could contact him and ask what's it all about.
[10:26] <knome> astraljava, that, or contact the bug squad and tell somebody to kick him out the team before he causes a bigger mess.
[10:26] <cc_INC> The message I got is: Debootstrap-Warning
[10:26] <cc_INC> Failed to retrieve InRelease
[10:27] <knome> astraljava, also, a word or few with the bug squad accepting policies wouldn't hurt >:|
[10:27] <astraljava> knome: Let's take it easy, alright. :) I'll talk to him first.
[10:27] <hobgoblin> there';s a bug for that cc_INC I think
[10:27] <cc_INC> I get two options back or next and if I go next it just goes through...
[10:27] <knome> astraljava, fine, thanks.
[10:27] <cc_INC> Oh it's already filed?
[10:27] <astraljava> knome: Did you have bug numbers for some of those?
[10:28] <knome> astraljava, #332687
[10:28] <cc_INC> And...should I file it again too? Or doesn't it work like that?
[10:28] <hobgoblin> cc_INC: think so - trying to find it 
[10:29] <hobgoblin> I thought pleia2 had that yesterday cc_INC - astraljava might know more 
[10:29] <knome> astraljava, #370539 is another where he's involved, but that's kind of not wrong... but still looks like he doesn't completely know what he's doing
[10:29] <hobgoblin> but it's a fail 
[10:30] <knome> astraljava, i don't have more now, but i'm sure there is more.
[10:30] <astraljava> cc_INC: That's probably because of extras.ubuntu.com, no idea what's going on with that, and why it's even there in the first place.
[10:30] <astraljava> knome: Thanks.
[10:31] <knome> astraljava, oh wait, #1016677. that's again not wrong, but he's guessing and totally not on top of the issues.
[10:31] <cc_INC> Okay, I will report it just in case :)
[10:32] <knome> astraljava, if he was at all connected with the xubuntu team, he'd know we have that documentation blueprint. and if he knew (x)ubuntu at all, he'd know that what xfce does doesn't really imply what xubuntu does.
[10:33] <knome> astraljava, http://tinyurl.com/86h772f - a list of bugs he touched with the search term "xubuntu"
[10:34] <knome> astraljava, that doesn't seem to be too much, but i don't want one more, if he's guessing and going blindfold into bug triaging
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[10:40] <astraljava> Alright, I sent him a message to contact us either on #ubuntu-bugs or here.
[11:33] <hobgoblin> hi Os_Maleus 
[11:33] <Os_Maleus> hi hobgoblin!
[12:36] <mr_pouit> knome: someone marked yesterday many xubuntu-docs bugs as dups of one another (maybe he's the guy you wrote about)
[12:53] <cc_INC> Does anyone know where I can find Hardware Profiles on wiki?
[12:53] <cc_INC> I can't seem to fine my T60
[13:00] <hobgoblin> hang on cc_INC 
[13:02] <hobgoblin> cc_INC: run this in a terminal checkbox-gtk  then eventually you'll end up with your hardware profile
[13:02] <hobgoblin> personally I never bother with it - I forget :)
[13:03] <cc_INC> On the Submit your results page there is a box called Hardware Profile where you can input a URL
[13:03] <cc_INC> I found some hardware profiles on Ubuntu Wiki, but can't find my machine
[13:04] <cc_INC> Or doesn't that really matter?!
[13:04] <hobgoblin> yea - once you run all that checkbox stuff you end up with a page with YOUR hardware profile on it 
[13:04] <hobgoblin> I've never done it 
[13:06] <cc_INC> ok
[13:08] <hobgoblin> and tbh I have no idea hwo to find the resulting URL afterwards if you forget it
[13:08] <knome> mr_pouit, probably.
[13:09] <hobgoblin> cc_INC: now I found it lol
[13:10] <cc_INC> Found what?
[13:11] <hobgoblin> my list :)
[13:11] <cc_INC> ok :)
[13:12] <knome> mr_pouit, what i'm worried about is that it's so easy to become a bugsquad member, then go running like a headless chicken, as i said before
[13:30] <pleia2> cc_INC: did you end up submitting that bug? I got it too but didn't know what to file it against
[13:32] <pleia2> cc_INC: also, I created wiki pages myself for my hardware, like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/lyz/LenovoG575
[13:32] <cc_INC> You mean the  Debootstrap-Warning?!
[13:32] <pleia2> yes
[13:33] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/temp/xubuntu-062212_fail1.jpg
[13:33] <cc_INC> Found one bug already filed: #1002438 
[13:33] <cc_INC> Just noted that it also affected me
[13:34] <cc_INC> I think that was the right thing to do :)
[13:34] <cc_INC> Correct me if I'm wrong ofcourse
[13:35] <pleia2> hm, are you sure this is the right bug? the error message in this bug doesn't seem to mention InRelease at all
[13:35] <pleia2> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/105744077/d-i_20120521_debconf-warning.png is a different warning than what I get
[13:37] <pleia2> I'll run it again with images today though and see what I get
[13:37]  * pleia2 is awake too early
[13:40] <cc_INC> ...Hmm....it seems lack of sleep is starting to take it's tol. You are right pleia2
[13:40] <cc_INC> I will file a bug with the warning message I get. Lucky for my I took a screenshot just in case!
[13:51] <cc_INC> There....thanks for the heads-up pleia2. I should focus much more.
[13:52] <cc_INC> Anyways, filed the bug under #1016887
[14:22] <pleia2> cc_INC: cool, thanks!
[14:27] <cc_INC> I don't understand the live session Persistence test :(
[14:29]  * hobgoblin thought we were supposed to be doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Short
[14:29] <cc_INC> Ah....okay
[14:29] <hobgoblin> I could be wrong 
[14:30] <cc_INC> So this doesn't count for us: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession
[14:31] <cc_INC> uhm...help? :)
[14:31] <hobgoblin> lookign back at the minutes we shuld be using that wiki page
[14:32] <hobgoblin> takes about 30 seconds to do that 
[14:32] <cc_INC> Allright!!
[14:33] <cc_INC> And I add my results on the qa.ubuntu.com page all the same?
[14:33] <hobgoblin> I do some other bits to make sure I get dual monitor support 
[14:33] <hobgoblin> yep
[14:34] <cc_INC> Okay...thanks man. This testing is new to me, it's actually making me nervous :)
[14:36] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:36] <hobgoblin> mr_pouit: thanks - didn't realise notifications wasn't there in 12.04 :) not used 12.10 properly as yet 
[18:38] <alazare619> whats the means that xubuntu is respun with
[18:38] <alazare619> is it live-build uck or some other means?
[18:43] <madnick> Might mean that someone builds upon it
[18:45] <madnick> Publish daily version, major "error", "respin"
[18:47] <alazare619> im trying to just figure out how they exactly are building the iso's they use the official ubuntu repos along with a few others of course but is the build method live-build or is it some other?
[19:32]  * astraljava is still puzzled with why daily-live can install gimp but alternate cannot (re: Lionel's email)
[19:32]  * hobgoblin is just confused
[19:33] <alazare619> what do the people that make the xubuntu iso's use to remaster it from the ubuntu iso
[19:33] <alazare619> is it livebuild i know its not uck
[19:37] <astraljava> alazare619: We just take care of our seeds, and the release folks handle the image creation. Try asking on #ubuntu-devel or something.
[19:38] <alazare619> im trying to make my own ubuntu based distro using hte official methods with mate-desktop built in by default but i wana do it the exact same methods that xubuntu uses as it works so seamless 
[19:38] <alazare619> ill check ubuntu devel tho thanks :)
[19:39] <alazare619> you just modify the preseed files?
[19:39] <astraljava> alazare619: You can find all the seeds files on launchpad, under Ubuntu Seeds.
[19:44] <alazare619> how can i download the seeds file from the launchpad?
[19:45] <astraljava> alazare619: Go to any of the seeds, you'll see the actual command on the page. (hint: bzr branch)
[19:46] <alazare619> kk ive build iso's for the debian upstream branch but not ubuntu and they used live build i guess if i see the config i cna figure out which it is
[19:54] <alazare619> ive never used launchpad to download code from it do i need any program on my computer?
[19:59] <Unit193> Generally bzr.