[00:00] <cerjam-g71> ..
[00:00] <cerjam-g71> what is that about?
[00:00] <cerjam-g71> O_o
 bazhang is a real dunce.
[00:00] <cerjam-g71> you want me to pastebin a log because my keyboard mispelt channnel
[00:00] <cerjam-g71> am i wrong?
[00:01] <IdleOne> Cocytus: Can I help you?
[00:02] <Cocytus> greetings....no help needed at the moment.
[00:02] <bazhang> is this Yankees52?
[00:02] <IdleOne> Cocytus: we have a no idling policy. Please part now if there is nothing the ops team can do for you.
[00:02] <bazhang> Cocytus, thats you?
[00:03] <Cocytus> Farewell, I will depart then. I was just planning on observing for a while.
[00:03] <Cocytus> no, bazhang.
[00:03] <IdleOne> Cocytus: /msg ubottu !logs if you wish to observe
[00:04] <Cocytus> thanks for the advice. I will remember that for future reference.
[00:07] <bazhang> * [Yankees52] (~john@c-76-24-90-249.hsd1.ma.comcast.net): Sabathia
[00:07] <bazhang> guess not
[00:08] <IdleOne> to close for comfort
[00:08] <genii-around> Those comcast ones all seem to look alike after a while
[00:38] <JoseeAntonioR> Guys, constant abuse from Budweiser. He's now on #u-irc
[00:39] <elky> we're aware.
[00:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok, thanks.
 Jimmy_Chunga, buy MS Office! O.o
[01:52] <genii-around> bazhang: Strangeness abounds tonight.
[02:00] <bazhang> Sarah just PM'ed me, and is defending telling people to just google it, as a sane approach to support
[02:02] <IdleOne> in that case she doesn't need #ubuntu for support and can stay banned?
[02:02] <genii-around> Heh
[02:02] <bazhang> it was a remove
[02:03] <bazhang> it will be a ban if he tries to rejoin and continues like that
[02:15] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu Sarah none@h50n3-sbg-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com simple remove from channel for constant offtopic, belittling and unhelpful commentary
 im banned from #minecraft for asking about cracked minecraft
[02:58] <bazhang> cracked minecraft?
[03:09] <genii-around> Apparently.
[04:16] <JoseeAntonioR> Guys, who should I ask permission to create a channel in the namespace?
[04:17] <IdleOne> nobody, go for it :)
[04:18] <JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks
[04:18] <JoseeAntonioR> just for your information, I'll create the #ubuntu-on-air channel, which will be used for a project that has been discussed during UDS
[04:18] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks again!
[04:19] <IdleOne> :)
[04:28] <IdleOne> @btlogin
[06:57] <chu> Might want to just remove him from the channel, it's a bot anyway.
[11:02] <LjL> ikonia: fwiw i didn't understand the thing about the parsing of the disk either. it seems fair to let people know why they shouldn't recommend something, especially when they were humbly suggesting they used it *while* pointing out it wasn't recommended
[11:04] <ikonia> LjL: basically when it "parses" the disk for displaying (read or write mode) it's been known to mess up the file system
[11:05] <ikonia> the write mode causes a lot more problems because it's designed to change the file system, but the read only mode also causes issues with it, especially in ext3 and 4, less so with 2
[11:05] <LjL> ikonia: so the read-only mode actually writes to the filesystem as well?
[11:06] <ikonia> LjL: it seems to yes, if it's an actual right or just the "pass through" of the ext driver on windows I don't know
[11:06] <ikonia> I don't think "write" is the correct word, but I can't think of a better way to describe it
[11:08] <LjL> ikonia: why don't you say what you've said to me now to StarChild as well? i'm sorry to insist about this stuff but this is another instance where you seem to be bossing people around, when it would be easy to instead share what you know about the issue and let them see your point of view :\
[11:08] <ikonia> "bossing someone around" asking them to not recommend something that's dangerous
[11:09] <LjL> well maybe it's just me
[11:09] <LjL> but i re-read the conversation, and it sounds as bossing around.
[11:09] <ikonia> no problem then
[11:09] <ikonia> I'll let him recommend ntfs home directories
[11:11] <LjL> whatever
[11:11] <ikonia> sure
[11:11] <LjL> keep drawing users away from #ubuntu by being scorching, i've kind of stopped caring
[11:11] <ikonia> how is telling someone that the ext driver in windows is actually unstable when they are recommending NTFS home directories drawing people away ?
[11:12] <ikonia> rather than stopping someone making a real mess of their machine ?
[11:12] <LjL> ikonia: you haven't explained why you couldn't just tell them what you've told me here, instead of "it's not recommended full stop"
[11:12] <ikonia> because he seemed he was struggling to grasp it and I was doing multiple other things
[11:13] <ikonia> plus I didn't have the best way to describe it as I've just tried to do to you with pretty poor wording
[11:16] <ikonia> LjL: he still seems itnerested, if you can think of a better worded way to explain it, it seems it would be worth while
[11:16] <ikonia> interested even
[11:17] <LjL> ikonia: well, the thing is, if you don't know something with 100% accuracy, i think it's still worth to say what you know (and state what you don't) rather than dismiss the person
[11:17] <ikonia> I've not dimissed him
[11:17] <ikonia> I just can't think of a good way to word it
[11:19] <ikonia> LjL: any better ?
[11:21] <LjL> yes. do you have a source about this, anyway? i've googled "ext2fsd read-only dangerous" but that didn't turn up too much
[11:21] <ikonia> LjL: nothing to hand, I've not used it much since the issues it caused with ext3
[11:21] <ikonia> ext2 was bad enough
[11:21] <ikonia> I'm sure I can dig something out
[11:31] <ikonia> there are some solid documentation on the features currently available/not available http://www.ext2fsd.com/?p=74
[11:35] <LjL> might this be an issue?  13, FIXME: don't do journal replay for devices set as readonly
[11:36] <ikonia> poassibly
[11:36] <ikonia> I was just having a poke around that
[11:36] <ikonia> there was some other notes about ext4 unclean marks causing a failure to mount or a forced mount corruption
[11:36] <ikonia> although that stuff doesn't appear to be as well noted
[11:42] <ikonia> has anyone noticed people complaining about http://ppa.launchpad.net  being dead
[11:42] <ikonia> I can't get any of the hosts under it's dns to resolve/respond
[11:42] <ikonia> someone in #ubuntu is complaining it's been like that for days, but that seems unlikley
[11:43] <oCean> Hmm, I think I noticed that yesterday, or maybe even friday
[11:43] <oCean> didn't think much of it then
[11:44] <ikonia> seems pretty serious
[11:52] <AlanBell> it resolves for me
[11:53] <AlanBell> there might be 404 errors if someone has upgraded to a release and the PPA they added doesn't publish to that series
[11:56] <ikonia> the whole host isnt responding for me
[12:21] <AlanBell> http://ppa.launchpad.net/alanbell/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources
[12:21] <AlanBell> works for me
[14:16] <cipher__> i am running an optimus laptop (xps15z), and recently optirun / bumblebee ceased working. i purged bumblebee and reinstalled nvidia-current (proprietary gpu driver). In /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf i forced the gpu to nvidia and here is the output: http://pastie.org/4142847 ... I recall when i originally got this working, i believe i had to change my x.org conf file. I'd really appreciate help
[14:17] <oCean> cipher__: ?
[14:17] <cipher__> hi
[14:17] <oCean> cipher__: you realize this is the #ubuntu-ops channel?
[14:18] <cipher__> no, not really :S
[18:10] <Pricey> Pici: is it just me, or has mcloy been a pain for years?
[18:11] <Pricey> Literally years. I've been absent some time but that nick just jumps out at me.
[18:11] <Pici> Pricey: I think he was known as another nick that I can't remember right now, but you're probably right.
[18:14] <Pricey> Perhaps I'm missremembering. I fail to find logs to back up my wild accusations.
[18:16] <topyli> i think it's more like a few months only
[18:21] <Pricey> Mmhm, I only see back to March.
[18:21] <Pricey> And activity at that, not bad activity.
[18:44] <IdleOne> is KingOzzy banned from -ot?
[18:54] <ikonia> he was
[18:55] <IdleOne> ok.
[18:55] <ikonia> don't know if he still is/should be
[18:55] <ikonia> he's a real pain in the neck
[18:55] <IdleOne> yup I saw the BT comments
[18:56] <IdleOne> a user informed me of possible ban evasion is why I asked
[18:56] <IdleOne>  King_OnTheGo
[18:56] <ikonia> I know he was banned, I don't know if anyone has removed the ban/should remove the ban
[18:56] <ikonia> from my impression of him, he can go and find another community
[19:02] <bioterror> dont they all find their way to arch linux nowdays?
[19:02] <Pici> bad bioterror.;
[19:02] <Pici> .30
[19:02] <Pici> ;)
[19:41] <IdleOne> -!discuss is <reply> Want to talk about Ubuntu but don't have a support question. Join #ubuntu-discuss, for other non-support  discussion not Ubuntu related you can also join #ubuntu-offtopic. Thank you.
[19:41] <IdleOne> anybody like, dislike, not care about this new factoid?
[19:42] <Myrtti> all of it?
[19:42] <Myrtti> nevermind
[19:43] <IdleOne> alright then.
[19:43] <Jordan_U> What does #ubuntu-discuss provide that #ubuntu-offtopic doesn't?
[19:43] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: from the topic
[19:43] <IdleOne>  Welcome to #ubuntu-discuss. This is a channel for high quality on-topic non-support discussions about Ubuntu.
[19:44] <Myrtti> YAY.
[19:44] <IdleOne> !discuss is <reply> Want to talk about Ubuntu but don't have a support question. Join #ubuntu-discuss, for other non-support  discussion not Ubuntu related you can also join #ubuntu-offtopic. Thank you.
[19:44] <IdleOne> factoid approved. edit if you feel you can do it better
[21:52] <topyli> it does make me feel like i can't talk about ubuntu in -ot anymore :\