| brousch | ok, minidlna is way better. smaller and faster | 00:23 |
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| snap-l | brousch: Yeah, I wouldn't use the Squeezebox server for DLNA | 00:46 |
| snap-l | interesting that it worked | 00:46 |
| snap-l | but definitely check out the audio clients | 00:46 |
| jrwren | i run squeeze all day at work | 00:47 |
| jrwren | i just wish the web interface was a little nicer and a little quicker | 00:47 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it is a little long in the tooth | 00:47 |
| snap-l | but it works, and on my system it is low-footprint | 00:47 |
| jrwren | yup | 00:48 |
| jrwren | it works great and is awesome. | 00:48 |
| snap-l | brousch: Which version of the Squeezebox server were you running? | 00:48 |
| brousch | dunno. whatever was on the web site | 01:16 |
| snap-l | http://meridionalerecordings.bandcamp.com/album/antropofagus-blues | 02:58 |
| snap-l | "Vanir is drug abuse, pure decadence. Sounds like putting a cat into a pool of blood. Metal is for children, satan is for dummies." | 02:59 |
| snap-l | And this sounds like what happens when you put a bus station in a feedback loop | 02:59 |
| snap-l | http://viralconspiracyrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-desastamasta-th3-s3cond-fiv3 <- Iswear, I need to put in a google exception for this label | 03:05 |
| snap-l | I hav nothing against them putting out their music, but man, it puts me right off | 03:05 |
| derekv | i don't like, i keep programming in a style like the java conventional style | 03:55 |
| derekv | since thats what most people use | 03:55 |
| derekv | but the brakets on the end of the line look really stupid | 03:55 |
| derekv | even after seeing it for like a year | 03:55 |
| snap-l | Try the Pascal style, where the bracket is on a separate line. :) | 03:56 |
| derekv | what makes me want to pull my hair is that people put the bracket on the end of the line, but then leave a blank line anyways | 03:56 |
| derekv | yea braken goes on new line | 03:56 |
| derekv | frankly the easiest to look at is gnu style http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#GNU_style | 04:07 |
| derekv | the indentation | 04:07 |
| derekv | ohhh wait | 04:08 |
| derekv | that space | 04:08 |
| derekv | gnu style has that space, I never realized that... how come I never noticed that | 04:11 |
| derekv | its horrible | 04:11 |
| derekv | yea frankly if your going to do the braket at the end of the line instead of the newline the go full lisp/python style http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#Lisp_style | 04:12 |
| derekv | but without that space | 04:13 |
| derekv | man | 04:13 |
| derekv | if I ever run a company | 04:13 |
| derekv | i'm going to have my own style guidelines | 04:13 |
| derekv | and there is going to be no discussion about it | 04:14 |
| derekv | I'm going to that lambda lounge thing weds | 04:16 |
| derekv | I might start using the underscore for private class variables | 04:45 |
| derekv | I saw it in some java code recently and at first was like, thats unnessisary | 04:45 |
| derekv | but now I've been thinking about it as I write code and I think it makes sense | 04:46 |
| derekv | I'm so glad I did that app for soundcloud | 04:55 |
| derekv | and I'm doing this bookie app | 04:56 |
| derekv | my head is getting so much clearer about how to put one together | 04:56 |
| derekv | and I'm catching up also | 04:56 |
| derekv | One style issue that I am embarrased to report I have no opinion on is spaces vs tabs | 05:13 |
| derekv | I feel like I should have one | 05:13 |
| derekv | but I just want everyone do do the same thing and then i'll configure my editor | 05:13 |
| derekv | I don't ever want to manually indent code | 05:14 |
| derekv | so I'm never hitting space or tab and I don't really care which is used | 05:14 |
| brousch | derekv: 4 spaces, always | 10:54 |
| brousch | make your tabs 4 become 4 spaces | 10:55 |
| brousch | derekv: Here is your style guide http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ | 10:56 |
| rick_h_ | did someone say coding style/guidelines? :P | 11:40 |
| jrwren | if you are stuck on style you are doing it wrong. | 13:53 |
| jrwren | learn to read any style. | 13:53 |
| jrwren | set your mind free. | 13:53 |
| brousch | damn dirty hippie | 13:55 |
| snap-l | Honestly, that's the best policy (do as the Romans do) | 13:58 |
| snap-l | if there's an accepted convention for how X code is supposed to look, it's probably best not to buck that convention | 13:59 |
| snap-l | ie: writing camelcase in Python for all variable names. | 13:59 |
| jrwren | yup | 14:02 |
| jrwren | yet python has unittest | 14:03 |
| jrwren | *RAGE* | 14:03 |
| snap-l | enlighten why that's a rage moment? | 14:03 |
| jrwren | unittest.TestBaes has a member called setUp | 14:04 |
| jrwren | and its assertEquals | 14:04 |
| jrwren | assertGreaterThan | 14:04 |
| jrwren | its java | 14:04 |
| jrwren | its not pythonic | 14:04 |
| snap-l | but it came from Python | 14:05 |
| snap-l | er, Java | 14:05 |
| snap-l | If it's trying to port functionality from another language's package, I have less problem with keeping the variable names similar to the original language | 14:06 |
| snap-l | Yes, it isn't native | 14:06 |
| snap-l | but if it makes someone's life easier porting between the two, then OK | 14:07 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: but try to keep to a style. I always say that I don't care what style you use, as long as it's documentted/kept to | 14:08 |
| snap-l | That's the big thing | 14:10 |
| jrwren | yeah, styles nice. | 14:10 |
| jrwren | i say fuck it and write all my code on one line | 14:10 |
| jrwren | snap-l: it didn't come from python. | 14:10 |
| jrwren | snap-l: it didn't come from java. | 14:10 |
| jrwren | wow, look at that, i did it too. | 14:11 |
| snap-l | jrwren: where did it come from? | 14:12 |
| jrwren | kent beck | 14:36 |
| jrwren | first impl was smalltalk | 14:36 |
| derekv | brousch, not for python | 17:14 |
| brousch | It works in other languages too | 17:32 |
| snap-l | nixternal: That Java video is great, save for it's not real | 19:22 |
| snap-l | nobody loves the JVM. ;) | 19:22 |
| jrwren | oh no, lots of people LOVE the jvm. | 19:37 |
| jrwren | i think they are nuts | 19:37 |
| jrwren | but they do. | 19:37 |
| jrwren | hell, google loves teh jvm. | 19:37 |
| snap-l | Damn hippies. | 19:38 |
| brousch | you forgot the dirty | 19:52 |
| snap-l | http://supermoney.bandcamp.com/album/snatched-the-throne-ep | 21:00 |
| snap-l | http://kobilacroix.bandcamp.com/track/jeremy-the-ninja <- lol | 21:06 |
| gamerchick02 | my new desktop is built! finally! :-D | 21:24 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: do you see what I'm doing wrong here? http://paste.mitechie.com/show/707/ | 21:25 |
| rick_h_ | gamerchick02: congrats! | 21:25 |
| gamerchick02 | thank you! | 21:25 |
| gamerchick02 | i've got my desktop and the Air. | 21:25 |
| gamerchick02 | just gotta install mint or something else my mom can use easily to the laptop and give it to her | 21:26 |
| gamerchick02 | she's a total newbie to linux and i don't have an extra windows license for her. does anyone recommend something windows-like to put on the laptop? | 21:26 |
| gamerchick02 | i need to be able to admin it easily. | 21:26 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: nevermind I see what's wrong. Maybe I'll just skip the hash_id fk reference. | 21:27 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: What was the trouble? | 21:42 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: hash_id isn't anything special on the bmark table, it's part of a unique index, but only with username | 21:58 |
| rick_h_ | so using that as a FK reference doesn't work from the db side | 21:58 |
| snap-l | Ah | 21:59 |
| snap-l | Wonder if it was bitchy because hash_id wasn't guaranteed unique? | 21:59 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 22:00 |
| rick_h_ | and lovely psql won't read in an sql file generated by pg_dump because of escaped crap..ugh, this is going to suck updating the live site | 22:01 |
| snap-l | What version of pg_dump? | 22:01 |
| rick_h_ | should be 9 I think. checking | 22:02 |
| rick_h_ | yea, 9.0.5 | 22:02 |
| snap-l | Rush is the subject of a 3-page feature in the latest issue of Terrorizer magazine titled Times of Grace. <- OK, I think Road Runner is promoting the fuck out of Rush way too much | 22:03 |
| snap-l | Terrorizer is mostly black metal / death metal | 22:03 |
| snap-l | That's strange that it would have escaping problems. | 22:03 |
| gamerchick02 | so we've got a music and programming discussion going on at the same time? :-D | 22:04 |
| gamerchick02 | and i'm elated that my desktop is built. | 22:04 |
| gamerchick02 | it's good news all around. | 22:04 |
| rick_h_ | bah, yea choking on "viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4">viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4</a><br/>you'll want to use that instead." | 22:06 |
| rick_h_ | trying to load live data | 22:06 |
| snap-l | Oh that sucks | 22:06 |
| rick_h_ | ah, it is COPY format, that's why I think | 22:07 |
| rick_h_ | tried to just do flat sql format so I can tinker with it more because I need to basically recreate/reload the db with the new migrations/etc | 22:08 |
| rick_h_ | and there are going to be constraint violations in the current data I just know it | 22:08 |
| brousch | gamerchick02: Kubuntu 12.04 for your Mom | 22:36 |
| gamerchick02 | really? ok. it's stable and all that? *goes off to download* | 22:37 |
| brousch | yep | 22:37 |
| gamerchick02 | cool. last time i tried Kubuntu i couldn't grok it. | 22:38 |
| gamerchick02 | for some strange reason. *shrug* | 22:38 |
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