[00:44] <bkerensa> tgm4883: link to electric subreddit discussion? :P
[00:46] <tgm4883> bkerensa, http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/vg20c/i_cant_understand_how_people_find_these_ugly/c54b1es?context=3
[00:46] <orebuntu> tgm4883's tiny URL is http://tinyurl.com/7tzcj54
[00:48] <bkerensa> tgm4883: how many Killawatt Hours do you consume a month?
[00:48] <tgm4883> 826
[00:49] <bkerensa> thats not a lot of power
[00:49] <bkerensa> I use between 900-1400
[00:49] <bkerensa> :D
[00:49] <tgm4883> it's reddit
[00:49] <tgm4883> I didn't expect them to know wtf they are talking about
[01:09] <pwnguin> tgm4883: well you do pay like 2x what i do for electric
[01:10] <tgm4883> pwnguin, because I use more?
[01:10] <tgm4883> or because it costs more?
[01:10] <pwnguin> we both have pacific power yes?
[01:10] <tgm4883> yes
[01:10] <pwnguin> then it cant be "it costs more"
[01:10] <tgm4883> well then you just need to get more servers ;)
[01:11] <pwnguin> na
[01:11] <pwnguin> i prefer to keep them in data centers with access to clean power
[01:11] <pwnguin> like the OSL
[01:12] <pwnguin> my home servers are all low power ARM devices
[01:12] <tgm4883> I'm consolidating a few systems right now
[01:12] <tgm4883> and transfering a bunch of stuff to a larger NAS for storage
[01:13] <pwnguin> but really, it seems impossible to find apartments with AC around here
[01:15] <pwnguin> amount used: 377 kwh
[01:18] <pwnguin> but your bill has different columns than mine so i cant be sure we actually get charged the same rate
[01:20] <pwnguin> this does remind me, i need to turn in my cable modem
[01:23] <pwnguin> I should start annotating kwh in gnucash
[02:09] <bkerensa> tgm4883:  pwnguin is right... I have Pac Power too and I would pay higher rates then you
[02:10] <bkerensa> see they have "Usage Brackets"
[02:10] <bkerensa> 100-400KWh is a set amount
[02:10] <bkerensa> 400-800 or something
[02:10] <bkerensa> and so on
[02:10] <pwnguin> there's definately a lot of metered fees though
[02:10] <bkerensa> so the more you use in a month the higher rate bracket you hop into
[02:10] <bkerensa> yeah
[02:10] <pwnguin> no clue how their billing works
[02:10] <pwnguin> it's magic. from an outlet!
[02:11] <bkerensa> and also they add taxes and "Dam Removal" fees based on how big your bill is
[02:11] <bkerensa> the bigger your bill the more fees you pay :D
[02:11] <pwnguin> i get a refund
[02:11] <bkerensa> its a racket
[02:11] <bkerensa> pwnguin: WHAT?
[02:11] <bkerensa> >.<
[02:11] <pwnguin> bpa columbia river benefits for 28 days
[02:11] <bkerensa> oh
[02:11] <bkerensa> yeah
[02:11] <bkerensa> so thats because the Bonneville Dam.... is generating "surplus" power
[02:11] <pwnguin> but the dam removal fee makes sense
[02:12] <bkerensa> so the government "refunds" ratepayers and also has to subsidize wind farms
[02:12] <pwnguin> large hydroelectric generates a lot of silt that we need to unsilt later on
[02:12] <bkerensa> but there is a catch-22 to that which is at the end of the year you pay that refund back to the BPA through Federal Taxes
[02:12] <bkerensa> ;)
[02:12] <bkerensa> since the BPA is tax payer funded
[02:12] <bkerensa> :P
[02:13] <bkerensa> pwnguin: well the dam removal fees that Oregonians pay are not even for dams in Oregon :) they are for Dams on the Klamath River in California
[02:13] <pwnguin> copco and iron gate dams removal
[02:14] <pwnguin> thats okay. im told there's a public transport charge on the water bills here to pay for free public busses
[02:14] <pwnguin> which is slightly annoying because my employer already pays for free public busses for employees
[02:15] <bkerensa> pwnguin: Ahh no the free bus passes is actually for students :) that comes out of water rates
[02:15] <bkerensa> since PPS does not have school buses
[02:15] <bkerensa> the City funds it out of water rates
[02:15] <bkerensa> :D
[02:16] <bkerensa> The city also has a tour bus and some sort of lodge up on one of the water sources for portland that they use water rate funds to allow VIPS to go visit
[02:16] <pwnguin> i dont live in portland
[02:16] <bkerensa> ahh
[02:16] <bkerensa> in corvallis?
[02:16] <pwnguin> yes
[02:16] <bkerensa> :D
[02:16] <bkerensa> lucky you
[02:16] <pwnguin> i guess
[02:17] <bkerensa> then you will skip Portland's upcoming vote to try and pass a "Art Income Tax"
[02:17] <pwnguin> ah, funding for the arts via income tax
[02:18] <pwnguin> not some scheme to tax artists with incom
[02:18] <pwnguin> and it seems to be a property tax
[02:18] <pwnguin> or not
[02:19] <bkerensa> pwnguin: yeah it will be $35 per adult unless the person is low income then they dont have to pay and it will supposed go to a fund that the city will control and dole out to non-profits of the mayors choosing
[02:19] <bkerensa> but in reality their proposed tax would violate the Oregon Constitution
[02:19] <pwnguin> just skimmed an article and ran across this (which i misread)
[02:19] <pwnguin> However, not every good cause deserves real estate on people's tax bills.
[02:22] <bkerensa> pwnguin: exactly and I do not feel the city should force people to contribute to a good cause... it should be optional... I donate at least a couple hundred each year to non-profits so its disappointing for my hand to be forced for something that may not be relevant to me
[02:23] <bkerensa> pwnguin: either way Article 1, Section 32 of the Oregon Constitution prohibits any tax that is waived for one class but not other classes so the low income waiver would not pass muster
[02:24] <pwnguin> well good luck with all that
[03:53] <bkerensa> =/
[03:58] <tgm4883> and I'm back
[04:01] <bkerensa> tgm4883: yeah UPS is idk trying to get me to pay for a conference kit from Canonical
[04:01] <bkerensa> lol
[04:01] <bkerensa> :(
[04:01] <tgm4883> :/
[04:02] <bkerensa> idk I have been on hold most of the day but I do know I have a package held at Customs with UPS
[04:02] <bkerensa> from Canonical
[04:02] <bkerensa> and other people who had this happen said it was due to Canonical doing something wrong on the paperwork and incurring the receiver a import duty cost
[04:04] <tgm4883> That's no deal :(
[04:10] <bkerensa> tgm4883: no kidding :P Im not going to pay for free open source software :)
[04:14] <pwnguin> for osbridge?
[04:16] <bkerensa> pwnguin: nah for our booth at OSCON I imagine... idk specifically since nobody sent me a courtesy e-mail with a tracking #
[04:16] <bkerensa> but the only thing I am expecting is CD's etc for OSCON
[04:16] <bkerensa> which should be duty free
[22:13] <c_smith> The first issue I've ever had with Ubuntu One is one I'm trying to work through now. *sigh*