/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/25/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ScottKOK.  Next round in.00:21
ScottKNow need to wait for workspace to finish on all archs.00:21
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Riddellgood morning all07:19
Riddellthanks for doing digikam shadeslayer 07:26
hrwhi07:41
hrwcan someone tell me why calligra-l10n-pl depends on calligra-libs?07:41
Riddellall the calligra-l10n packages do07:47
Riddelldunno if there's a paticular reason07:47
Riddellgot an objection?07:48
hrwRiddell: it adds 20-30MB of libs/data just to install translation07:51
hrwI would rather see reverse dep/recommendation07:51
Riddellyes I think I agree07:51
hrwI know my system has still some TBs free but not on system ssd07:52
hrw;D07:52
* Riddell adds to todo list07:53
hrwthanks07:53
debfxhrw: how are the calligra translations useful without calligra?07:54
hrwdebfx: they are fetched by kde translation metapackage07:54
Riddellthey get pulled in by language-pack-kde-fr07:54
debfxah then the metapackage needs fixing07:54
hrwdebfx: I use kde, I like to have kde in Polish but I do not use Calligra07:54
hrwnor 70% of kde 07:55
Riddellthe launchpad made language-pack-kde-xx included calligra .po files07:55
debfxI think of language-pack-kde- as transitional packages rather than meta packages07:56
debfxsince we don't really need a meta package07:57
Riddelldebfx: how else will gnome users install "kde translations"?08:02
Riddella meta package makes it much easier08:02
debfxRiddell: software-center and muon use language-selector to query the list of translation packages that need to be installed08:05
RiddellI wonder what gnome's language control panel will use08:11
agateauScottK: commented bug 101700508:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1017005 in quassel (Ubuntu) "Quassel uses knotify instead of libnotify" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101700508:14
debfxthe same packagekit plugin that's currently in l-s I would imagine08:16
debfxoh, that reminds me I still need to push kde-l10n 4.8.408:24
starbuckanybody knows if "encrypt home" in installation still causes error?08:28
jussistarbuck: not certain, but it did for me a month or so back. 08:30
starbuckjussi: so on the ISO 12.04, it is not 100% fixed then?08:38
jussistarbuck: it appears that way08:38
starbuckokay, so is there any bugreport one could follow?08:39
Riddellhmm is it?08:55
Riddellstarbuck, jussi: using the desktop install CD?08:55
jussiRiddell: yep08:56
starbuckRiddell: yeah, some Netrunner users are claiming to have install fail at creating encrypted home... though we are not aware we changed anything in that regard from kubuntu08:57
Riddellhum, it's not a kubuntu specific feature so I don't tend to test it08:58
Riddellbeta 2 this week so I can be sure to test it for that round08:58
starbuckbeta 2 for quantal?09:01
Riddellyes09:04
starbuckwow, already beta?09:18
starbuckis this base KDE 4.9?09:19
Riddellstarbuck: oh no, alpha 2 sorry09:27
Riddellgetting my greek confused09:27
apacheloggerjussi: council stuff resolved already?10:21
apacheloggerRiddell: just because a feature is not limited to the KUI it does not mean it is tested elsewhere ... e.g. it appears GTK and KDE UIs use different test/error handling code for username&hostname validation10:28
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Riddellapachelogger: yes that's quite possible10:33
* apachelogger gets too many bug mails -.-10:35
apacheloggerRiddell: do we have an a2 announcement yet? or who is writing it?10:38
Riddellapachelogger: we do not, we haven't even started testing it10:38
Riddellpinging claydoh often results in good announcements10:39
apacheloggerI always felt we should write them on the go, but *shrug*10:39
apacheloggeranyhow10:39
apacheloggerRiddell: we should copy ktp into backports ppa10:40
apacheloggerand mention that it should get testing in the quantal announcements10:40
Riddellapachelogger: I just posted to the list, there's precise packages in https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa10:40
* apachelogger is greatly displeased with the fact that he broke his kontact and now cannot manage his todo10:40
apacheloggerRiddell: yes10:41
apacheloggerBUT10:41
apacheloggerI do not feel comfortable suggesting users to add a ppa that is not part of the kubuntu ppa set10:41
apacheloggerthat sounds like veeeery bad practise10:41
apacheloggerhence I would rather copy it10:41
Riddellgo ahead if you want to10:42
apacheloggerif only I could put it on me todo waaaaah10:42
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Status: http://goo.gl/ZGGJP | Packaging TODO: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | apachelogger: make KTP testing happening
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felimwhiteleyScottK: cheers for this btw! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/988866 you saved me a lot fo grief :)11:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 988866 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "akonadi_mailfilter_agent eats 100% CPU and RAM and then crashes" [Undecided,New]11:04
apol /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index << this tool kills systems by reading intensively hard disk and filling ram with stuff (I even get kswap started)11:06
apoland it's run from cron or something like that from time to time11:06
apolanybody knows if there's intentions of fixing this?11:07
Riddellapol: hmm I've not heard of problems with it11:11
apolreally?11:11
Riddellit's used in all parts of ubuntu as far as I know11:11
apolyes11:11
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apacheloggerScottK, Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-postponeds please approve for quantal11:45
apacheloggeryofel_: https://launchpad.net/~tomahawk it would help if kubuntu-dev and/or members were member ^^12:02
BluesKajHey all12:08
debfxwhat does kamoso use kipi-plugins for?12:40
apacheloggerfabo: ping12:42
apacheloggerdebfx: posting to utube and facebook and whatnot12:43
Riddelldebfx: ask afiestas_ about kipi-plugins12:43
debfxI'll change it from recommends to suggests since it seems to drag in half the archive12:45
debfxalso I'd like to avoid shipping that digikam madness by default12:45
apacheloggerperhaps the plugins should simply be split12:46
apacheloggerI am reasonable certain kamoso does not use all of them12:46
debfxpossibly, but I'm not touching that package ever again12:47
debfxalso this needs to be fixed: kde-telepathy-call-ui -> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg -> libavcodec5312:47
apacheloggerwhy does callui dep on ffmpeg?12:48
apacheloggerthat does not even make sense12:48
apacheloggerno app ought to depend on specific codecs12:48
debfxit recommends ffmpeg12:48
apacheloggerwell12:48
apacheloggers/codecs/codec implemenations12:48
apacheloggerdebfx: recommends fluendo | ffmpeg then12:49
debfxand it also recommends gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly12:49
apacheloggerdepending on why it recommends on ffmpeg in the first place I guess12:49
apacheloggershadeslayer: !12:49
apacheloggerdebfx: broken packaging12:49
apacheloggershadeslayer: !12:49
debfxyeah12:49
apacheloggerdoes not seem to respond12:49
* apachelogger packages clucene git12:50
apachelogger>>> objdump -x /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libclucene-core.so.2.3.3.4 |grep SON 12:53
apachelogger  SONAME               libclucene-core.so.112:53
apachelogger:O12:53
apacheloggerOo12:53
apacheloggerwha?12:53
* apachelogger is overcome by a feeling of packaging clucene git not being a good idea at all12:56
Riddellapachelogger: a bit like marble is that12:57
RiddellSONAME different from filename12:57
apacheloggerwell12:57
apacheloggeractually there is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libclucene-core.so.112:57
apacheloggerwhich links to 2.3.3.412:57
Riddellyeah12:57
apacheloggerso that lib may in fact be soname 1, OTOH it may not12:58
* apachelogger is scared12:58
Riddellthe filename doesn't have to be linked to the soname, it's just much more sensible to make it so12:58
Riddelland build systems will do it by default unless you tell them not to12:58
apacheloggerRiddell: yes, but I am not sure I should trust devs that make file names that make no sense12:59
ScottKagateau: Thanks.13:04
apacheloggerbah13:05
* apachelogger needs a yofel_13:05
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yofelyes?13:05
apacheloggerah nevermind13:05
apacheloggerautoresolved13:05
apacheloggerupstream aint making no sense13:05
yofelif it's about clucene-unstable, don't ask me13:06
ScottKapachelogger: Sure.  It's a long list though.13:06
Riddellapachelogger: what's your interest in clucene anyway?13:06
apacheloggeryofel: clucene-unstable is actually clucene stable13:06
apacheloggeryofel: 0.9 is not supported by the upstream overlords and they say take whatever you want from git, we continously update it ...13:06
apacheloggerRiddell: tomahawk13:07
yofelaha13:07
apacheloggerScottK: long list?13:07
apacheloggerScottK: oh, the blueprint?13:07
ScottKYeah13:07
apacheloggerScottK: it's just items that were marked postponed or todo in the precise list13:07
yofelwell, there's a clucene package in the ppa, I never bothered to really clean it up though13:07
apacheloggerso they should either be rejected by someone or implemented13:08
apachelogger(most likely implemented)13:08
apacheloggeryofel: looks sane enough13:08
apacheloggerI am just going to change -dev to 1-dev13:08
apacheloggerotherwise it overrides 0-dev13:08
yofelright13:09
apacheloggerwhich is an entirely different API from what I understand13:09
yofelseems so13:09
yofelapachelogger: I just invited -dev and -kc into the team, can you accept?13:12
apacheloggerI think jr is master of -dev13:13
apacheloggeryofel: why kc tho?13:13
yofelhm, got used to referencing any team work with KC. Probably shouldn't be13:14
Riddellyofel: into which team?13:14
yofel~tomahawk13:14
apacheloggeryofel: members should be sufficient I suppose13:15
apacheloggerby that extent kc is member13:15
apacheloggerunless you want to make kc admin, which IMHO is also not worthwhile :)13:15
apacheloggeryofel: declined for kc, please invite members13:16
yofelhm, why members though? shouldn't -dev be enough?13:16
yofelor dev and ninjas13:17
apacheloggercuz not ever packager that is member qualifies to be dev13:17
apacheloggermaking dev more elitist13:17
apacheloggerunless you don't trust the members, in which case dev is the way to go and we should have a talk about trust in the community13:17
yofelmembers it is then13:18
apachelogger:P13:18
apacheloggeryou just don't want me to do a monolog about that :P13:18
yofelthat too :P13:18
* apachelogger waves fist13:18
apacheloggerclementine FTBFS fixed13:20
apacheloggerkubotu: newpackage clucene1 2.3.3.4 git snapshot13:26
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/101749013:27
Riddellhow's this for stickers for akademy? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/output.pdf13:30
apacheloggerRiddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/ this backaground + a non-black font13:32
apacheloggerperhaps white or slight greyish13:32
apacheloggeryofel: did you invite members yet?13:33
yofelyes13:33
apacheloggerhm, don't see it13:33
apacheloggeraccepted13:34
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs13:46
Riddellumm, we're suspicious? http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu14:10
genii-around1 time in 90 days, hah14:12
ScottKdebfx: 4.8.4 all accepted now.14:30
shadeslayerwhut whut14:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: you pinged?14:31
ScottKOh, except the translations.  Doing.14:32
apacheloggerScottK: backlog is your friend14:36
apacheloggeryofel: clucene missing cmake copying file \o/14:36
ScottKapachelogger: So is reading the reloaded +queue page before I declare I'm done.14:37
ScottKIn any case, accepted now.14:37
apacheloggeractually14:38
apacheloggerScottK: I think backlog is shadeslayer's friend14:38
apacheloggerScottK: thanks for accepting tho :)14:38
ScottKWhat point backlog when he's always doing exams?14:39
apacheloggershadeslayer: frome friend you are14:39
apacheloggeranyhow14:39
apacheloggerheadache is coming14:39
apacheloggeralso EHUNGRY14:39
shadeslayerScottK: no more exams now fwiw :P14:40
ScottKSo you say.14:40
apacheloggeryou know14:43
apacheloggerwe should rip software out instead of putting new one :P14:43
apacheloggerbuild up the seed from scratch and make it more awesome14:44
apacheloggerthere come the hunger delusions14:45
debfxshadeslayer: kde-telepathy-call-ui shouldn't pull in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly14:47
shadeslayerbut they are required, without those you can't make calls to, Phones and such14:48
shadeslayerSo, I'd say, put them in Recommends14:48
debfxshadeslayer: well we are not allowed to ship gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg on images14:49
shadeslayeroh14:49
shadeslayeriirc gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg was a important part in making calls14:49
shadeslayerdebfx: don't ship call-ui by default then? It doesn't work at times 14:50
shadeslayera bit wonky tbh14:50
shadeslayerbetter not to ship the call ui than to ship a broken one14:50
shadeslayer( You could prompt the user to install it like we do with flash etc )14:51
debfxdoesn't that already work? qapt is supposed to integrate with gstreamer14:51
shadeslayerdunno, I'm not familiar with those bits14:51
jussiapachelogger: Im waiting on claydoh to get back to me14:57
faboapachelogger: pong14:58
jussi(re: council stuff)14:58
debfxshadeslayer: ok, so I'll just pull call-ui out of the meta package15:45
shadeslayeruhh wait15:45
shadeslayerdebfx: there's another package called ktp-standard15:45
shadeslayeror something like that, I don't recall the exact name15:46
debfxwhat about that package?15:46
shadeslayerthat doesn't pull in the call-ui15:47
shadeslayeronly the very basic things needed for ktp15:47
debfxthere is a kde-telepathy-minimal15:47
shadeslayer!info kde-telepathy-minimal15:47
ubottuPackage kde-telepathy-minimal does not exist in precise15:47
shadeslayerthat one 15:47
shadeslayerso that pulls in the minimal deps, and then you can add other things :)15:48
debfxshadeslayer: all telepathy components recommend kde-telepathy15:48
shadeslayerdebfx: minimal doesn't from what I can see15:49
shadeslayerRecommends: telepathy-gabble, telepathy-salut, telepathy-haze15:49
debfxwhich seems wrong to me but I want to avoid changing every package15:49
debfxnot minimal, but all the packages minimal depends on15:49
shadeslayerahh15:49
shadeslayerthen we have no choice :(15:49
debfxScottK: I have another package removal bug for you :)  bug #101758916:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1017589 in kde-l10n-ml (Ubuntu) "Remove outdated kde-l10n packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101758916:43
ScottKdebfx: What are the chances they come back before 4.9.1?16:43
debfxScottK: I haven't check all of them but most are ~10% translated so I'd say not very high16:47
ScottKOK.16:47
ScottKEasy enough to bring them back if needed.16:47
debfxnone of them were part of KDE 4.816:48
ScottKdebfx: Done.17:08
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Quintasan\o17:29
Quintasanshadeslayer: How is ktp? Where is packaging?17:34
shadeslayerQuintasan: it's in the archive17:34
QuintasanI'm totally not up to date with $STUFF17:34
shadeslayerQuintasan: want something to do?17:34
shadeslayerTest Neon VM images and figure out whats wrong17:34
Quintasanshadeslayer: about ktp first, did it go to Debian as well?17:34
QuintasanAre we in sync with Debian?17:35
shadeslayerwe are in sync with debian17:35
shadeslayerktp won't make it to the debian freeze17:35
ScottKDebian has a stack of ktp stuff in New right now.17:35
shadeslayerit ... does?17:35
shadeslayerI thought George said it won't get in before the freezwe17:36
* ScottK double checks.17:36
shadeslayer*freeze17:36
Quintasanshadeslayer: Ok. Any major delta from the packaging George did?17:36
shadeslayeranywho, the packaging is in sync17:36
shadeslayerafaik, no17:36
ScottKshadeslayer: Search http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html for ktp.17:36
* shadeslayer searches17:36
Quintasanshadeslayer: Packaging still on alioth?17:36
shadeslayerQuintasan: ye17:36
Quintasancare to link? it seems I have lost the link somehow17:37
shadeslayerScottK: yeah, it's in new, lets hope it gets in before the freeze17:37
* shadeslayer needs a better window management system with all these windows17:37
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/17:38
shadeslayersearch for pkg-kde/kde-extras/kde-telepathy/17:38
QuintasanSo behind...17:38
shadeslayer^_^17:38
Quintasanshadeslayer: Are our Neon recipes still working?17:39
afiestas_rbelem: ping17:39
yofelQuintasan: they are17:39
shadeslayerQuintasan: ^17:39
shadeslayerQuintasan: we haz Neon VM recipe now17:39
shadeslayer:D17:39
Quintasanyofel, shadeslayer: any major delta in the recipes and packaging itself since I left?17:40
shadeslayerdon't think so17:40
shadeslayeryofel would probably know17:40
yofelnot really, at least not from a package perspective17:40
QuintasanYou know, now I realised how little is to be done to get dailies rolling now17:41
Quintasanyofel: K, thanks for doing that stuff, will try to lift some of the stuff from you17:43
shadeslayerheh17:43
shadeslayerQuintasan: you know what would be awesome? Daily packages picking up things from KDE stable branches17:43
shadeslayerAnd we can do that with bzr17:44
QuintasanUhh like what?17:44
QuintasanGive me an example17:44
shadeslayerQuintasan: import the 4.8 branch of kdelibs into bzr17:44
shadeslayerthen setup continuous packaging that uploads to a PPA17:45
shadeslayerwhere it gets test built and tested17:45
shadeslayerthen every weekend, you run a script to upload those pacakges to the archive17:45
Quintasan>where is gets [...] tested17:45
Quintasanyou are responsible for writing automated tests17:45
Quintasan:P17:45
shadeslayerno, I meant, developers enable said PPA17:46
Quintasanoh17:46
shadeslayerand upgrade every Thursday/Friday17:46
shadeslayerif any bugs are found, don't upload that version to the archive17:46
shadeslayerfix said bugs, and upload next week17:46
Quintasanshadeslayer: ktp 0.4 in PPA or not?17:46
shadeslayerQuintasan: yes17:47
yofellook, we don't have enough people to do Q/A once a *month*, how do you want to do Q/A once a week?17:47
Quintasanyofel: *shh* let him dream17:47
shadeslayeryofel: have a rotation cycle? 17:47
yofeloh, sorry ^^17:47
shadeslayerhaha :P17:47
Quintasankrap17:48
Quintasanshadeslayer: ktp dailies are dead as !@##!%$17:49
QuintasanWanna fix it or I add it to my todo?17:49
shadeslayera rotation cycle where every dev has to test the PPA once every  6 weeks or so?17:49
shadeslayerQuintasan: I have zip time17:49
Quintasanzip time?17:50
shadeslayerI'm trying to organize 2 BoF's , fixing my KCM's, dealing with other people's visa issues ... ETOOMUCHTODO17:50
Quintasank17:50
shadeslayerQuintasan: 0 mins 0 Hours 0 Days :P17:50
shadeslayernow where was I17:50
QuintasanWTF17:57
Quintasanshadeslayer: added ppa to my precise install and no ktp packages17:58
Quintasanvm17:58
Quintasannvm17:58
shadeslayer0.o18:00
QuintasanTO HELL WITH ALL THOSE BRANCHES18:02
QuintasanGTFO OF LAUNCHPAD18:02
shadeslayer^_^18:02
shadeslayerQuintasan: now, want me to show you something?18:02
QuintasanGo on.18:02
shadeslayergive me 2 minutes, need to find it myself18:03
shadeslayerah there we go18:03
shadeslayerQuintasan: https://launchpad.net/~hrvojes/+archive/ktp-kde-nightly18:03
shadeslayer:P18:03
Quintasanyeah, seen this18:03
shadeslayerok cool18:03
QuintasanBad news, I already have everything done18:04
Quintasanneeds importing18:04
shadeslayer:)18:05
shadeslayerRiddell: has that s3 instance cost you anything yet?18:50
soeehi19:11
jussiQuintasan: hi?19:12
Riddellshadeslayer: yep19:41
shadeslayeroh, how much?19:41
Riddell$0.08 + VAT!19:52
Riddellthat's how generous I am to you19:53
shadeslayer:D19:55
shadeslayerRiddell: <319:55
shadeslayerI'm actually thinking of moving the S3 instance to Europe since it'll be faster to upload images from yofel's thinkpad19:56
shadeslayernot sure how to do that though19:56
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bambee_gmail is dead... :O20:16
bambee_seriously... I receive zero email... wtf20:16
bambee_(I am connected to the servers but nothing is received o.O20:17
bambee_)20:17
shadeslayerbambee_: wfm20:19
bambee_tssss20:20
* ScottK takes 4.8.4 for a spin.20:23
ScottKPlatform Version 4.8.4 (4.8.4) <-- And here I am.20:36
RiddellScottK: how many beasties can you find?20:55
ScottKRiddell: So far so good.21:56
ScottKkdepim/akonadi is painful, but certainly no worse than before.21:56
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1017709] package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-removal sc... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1017709 (by jjinco33)22:32
genii-aroundHm,22:37

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