[00:21] <ScottK> OK.  Next round in.
[00:21] <ScottK> Now need to wait for workspace to finish on all archs.
[07:19] <Riddell> good morning all
[07:26] <Riddell> thanks for doing digikam shadeslayer 
[07:41] <hrw> hi
[07:41] <hrw> can someone tell me why calligra-l10n-pl depends on calligra-libs?
[07:47] <Riddell> all the calligra-l10n packages do
[07:47] <Riddell> dunno if there's a paticular reason
[07:48] <Riddell> got an objection?
[07:51] <hrw> Riddell: it adds 20-30MB of libs/data just to install translation
[07:51] <hrw> I would rather see reverse dep/recommendation
[07:51] <Riddell> yes I think I agree
[07:52] <hrw> I know my system has still some TBs free but not on system ssd
[07:52] <hrw> ;D
[07:53]  * Riddell adds to todo list
[07:53] <hrw> thanks
[07:54] <debfx> hrw: how are the calligra translations useful without calligra?
[07:54] <hrw> debfx: they are fetched by kde translation metapackage
[07:54] <Riddell> they get pulled in by language-pack-kde-fr
[07:54] <debfx> ah then the metapackage needs fixing
[07:54] <hrw> debfx: I use kde, I like to have kde in Polish but I do not use Calligra
[07:55] <hrw> nor 70% of kde 
[07:55] <Riddell> the launchpad made language-pack-kde-xx included calligra .po files
[07:56] <debfx> I think of language-pack-kde- as transitional packages rather than meta packages
[07:57] <debfx> since we don't really need a meta package
[08:02] <Riddell> debfx: how else will gnome users install "kde translations"?
[08:02] <Riddell> a meta package makes it much easier
[08:05] <debfx> Riddell: software-center and muon use language-selector to query the list of translation packages that need to be installed
[08:11] <Riddell> I wonder what gnome's language control panel will use
[08:14] <agateau> ScottK: commented bug 1017005
[08:16] <debfx> the same packagekit plugin that's currently in l-s I would imagine
[08:24] <debfx> oh, that reminds me I still need to push kde-l10n 4.8.4
[08:28] <starbuck> anybody knows if "encrypt home" in installation still causes error?
[08:30] <jussi> starbuck: not certain, but it did for me a month or so back. 
[08:38] <starbuck> jussi: so on the ISO 12.04, it is not 100% fixed then?
[08:38] <jussi> starbuck: it appears that way
[08:39] <starbuck> okay, so is there any bugreport one could follow?
[08:55] <Riddell> hmm is it?
[08:55] <Riddell> starbuck, jussi: using the desktop install CD?
[08:56] <jussi> Riddell: yep
[08:57] <starbuck> Riddell: yeah, some Netrunner users are claiming to have install fail at creating encrypted home... though we are not aware we changed anything in that regard from kubuntu
[08:58] <Riddell> hum, it's not a kubuntu specific feature so I don't tend to test it
[08:58] <Riddell> beta 2 this week so I can be sure to test it for that round
[09:01] <starbuck> beta 2 for quantal?
[09:04] <Riddell> yes
[09:18] <starbuck> wow, already beta?
[09:19] <starbuck> is this base KDE 4.9?
[09:27] <Riddell> starbuck: oh no, alpha 2 sorry
[09:27] <Riddell> getting my greek confused
[10:21] <apachelogger> jussi: council stuff resolved already?
[10:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: just because a feature is not limited to the KUI it does not mean it is tested elsewhere ... e.g. it appears GTK and KDE UIs use different test/error handling code for username&hostname validation
[10:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes that's quite possible
[10:35]  * apachelogger gets too many bug mails -.-
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we have an a2 announcement yet? or who is writing it?
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: we do not, we haven't even started testing it
[10:39] <Riddell> pinging claydoh often results in good announcements
[10:39] <apachelogger> I always felt we should write them on the go, but *shrug*
[10:39] <apachelogger> anyhow
[10:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should copy ktp into backports ppa
[10:40] <apachelogger> and mention that it should get testing in the quantal announcements
[10:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: I just posted to the list, there's precise packages in https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa
[10:40]  * apachelogger is greatly displeased with the fact that he broke his kontact and now cannot manage his todo
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[10:41] <apachelogger> BUT
[10:41] <apachelogger> I do not feel comfortable suggesting users to add a ppa that is not part of the kubuntu ppa set
[10:41] <apachelogger> that sounds like veeeery bad practise
[10:41] <apachelogger> hence I would rather copy it
[10:42] <Riddell> go ahead if you want to
[10:42] <apachelogger> if only I could put it on me todo waaaaah
[11:04] <felimwhiteley> ScottK: cheers for this btw! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/988866 you saved me a lot fo grief :)
[11:06] <apol>  /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index << this tool kills systems by reading intensively hard disk and filling ram with stuff (I even get kswap started)
[11:06] <apol> and it's run from cron or something like that from time to time
[11:07] <apol> anybody knows if there's intentions of fixing this?
[11:11] <Riddell> apol: hmm I've not heard of problems with it
[11:11] <apol> really?
[11:11] <Riddell> it's used in all parts of ubuntu as far as I know
[11:11] <apol> yes
[11:45] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-postponeds please approve for quantal
[12:02] <apachelogger> yofel_: https://launchpad.net/~tomahawk it would help if kubuntu-dev and/or members were member ^^
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:40] <debfx> what does kamoso use kipi-plugins for?
[12:42] <apachelogger> fabo: ping
[12:43] <apachelogger> debfx: posting to utube and facebook and whatnot
[12:43] <Riddell> debfx: ask afiestas_ about kipi-plugins
[12:45] <debfx> I'll change it from recommends to suggests since it seems to drag in half the archive
[12:45] <debfx> also I'd like to avoid shipping that digikam madness by default
[12:46] <apachelogger> perhaps the plugins should simply be split
[12:46] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain kamoso does not use all of them
[12:47] <debfx> possibly, but I'm not touching that package ever again
[12:47] <debfx> also this needs to be fixed: kde-telepathy-call-ui -> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg -> libavcodec53
[12:48] <apachelogger> why does callui dep on ffmpeg?
[12:48] <apachelogger> that does not even make sense
[12:48] <apachelogger> no app ought to depend on specific codecs
[12:48] <debfx> it recommends ffmpeg
[12:48] <apachelogger> well
[12:48] <apachelogger> s/codecs/codec implemenations
[12:49] <apachelogger> debfx: recommends fluendo | ffmpeg then
[12:49] <debfx> and it also recommends gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[12:49] <apachelogger> depending on why it recommends on ffmpeg in the first place I guess
[12:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: !
[12:49] <apachelogger> debfx: broken packaging
[12:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: !
[12:49] <debfx> yeah
[12:49] <apachelogger> does not seem to respond
[12:50]  * apachelogger packages clucene git
[12:53] <apachelogger> >>> objdump -x /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libclucene-core.so.2.3.3.4 |grep SON 
[12:53] <apachelogger>   SONAME               libclucene-core.so.1
[12:53] <apachelogger> :O
[12:53] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:53] <apachelogger> wha?
[12:56]  * apachelogger is overcome by a feeling of packaging clucene git not being a good idea at all
[12:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: a bit like marble is that
[12:57] <Riddell> SONAME different from filename
[12:57] <apachelogger> well
[12:57] <apachelogger> actually there is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libclucene-core.so.1
[12:57] <apachelogger> which links to 2.3.3.4
[12:57] <Riddell> yeah
[12:58] <apachelogger> so that lib may in fact be soname 1, OTOH it may not
[12:58]  * apachelogger is scared
[12:58] <Riddell> the filename doesn't have to be linked to the soname, it's just much more sensible to make it so
[12:58] <Riddell> and build systems will do it by default unless you tell them not to
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, but I am not sure I should trust devs that make file names that make no sense
[13:04] <ScottK> agateau: Thanks.
[13:05] <apachelogger> bah
[13:05]  * apachelogger needs a yofel_
[13:05] <yofel> yes?
[13:05] <apachelogger> ah nevermind
[13:05] <apachelogger> autoresolved
[13:05] <apachelogger> upstream aint making no sense
[13:06] <yofel> if it's about clucene-unstable, don't ask me
[13:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sure.  It's a long list though.
[13:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's your interest in clucene anyway?
[13:06] <apachelogger> yofel: clucene-unstable is actually clucene stable
[13:06] <apachelogger> yofel: 0.9 is not supported by the upstream overlords and they say take whatever you want from git, we continously update it ...
[13:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: tomahawk
[13:07] <yofel> aha
[13:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: long list?
[13:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, the blueprint?
[13:07] <ScottK> Yeah
[13:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's just items that were marked postponed or todo in the precise list
[13:07] <yofel> well, there's a clucene package in the ppa, I never bothered to really clean it up though
[13:08] <apachelogger> so they should either be rejected by someone or implemented
[13:08] <apachelogger> (most likely implemented)
[13:08] <apachelogger> yofel: looks sane enough
[13:08] <apachelogger> I am just going to change -dev to 1-dev
[13:08] <apachelogger> otherwise it overrides 0-dev
[13:09] <yofel> right
[13:09] <apachelogger> which is an entirely different API from what I understand
[13:09] <yofel> seems so
[13:12] <yofel> apachelogger: I just invited -dev and -kc into the team, can you accept?
[13:13] <apachelogger> I think jr is master of -dev
[13:13] <apachelogger> yofel: why kc tho?
[13:14] <yofel> hm, got used to referencing any team work with KC. Probably shouldn't be
[13:14] <Riddell> yofel: into which team?
[13:14] <yofel> ~tomahawk
[13:15] <apachelogger> yofel: members should be sufficient I suppose
[13:15] <apachelogger> by that extent kc is member
[13:15] <apachelogger> unless you want to make kc admin, which IMHO is also not worthwhile :)
[13:16] <apachelogger> yofel: declined for kc, please invite members
[13:16] <yofel> hm, why members though? shouldn't -dev be enough?
[13:17] <yofel> or dev and ninjas
[13:17] <apachelogger> cuz not ever packager that is member qualifies to be dev
[13:17] <apachelogger> making dev more elitist
[13:17] <apachelogger> unless you don't trust the members, in which case dev is the way to go and we should have a talk about trust in the community
[13:18] <yofel> members it is then
[13:18] <apachelogger> :P
[13:18] <apachelogger> you just don't want me to do a monolog about that :P
[13:18] <yofel> that too :P
[13:18]  * apachelogger waves fist
[13:20] <apachelogger> clementine FTBFS fixed
[13:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage clucene1 2.3.3.4 git snapshot
[13:27] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1017490
[13:30] <Riddell> how's this for stickers for akademy? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/output.pdf
[13:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/ this backaground + a non-black font
[13:32] <apachelogger> perhaps white or slight greyish
[13:33] <apachelogger> yofel: did you invite members yet?
[13:33] <yofel> yes
[13:33] <apachelogger> hm, don't see it
[13:34] <apachelogger> accepted
[13:46] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
[14:10] <Riddell> umm, we're suspicious? http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[14:12] <genii-around> 1 time in 90 days, hah
[14:30] <ScottK> debfx: 4.8.4 all accepted now.
[14:31] <shadeslayer> whut whut
[14:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you pinged?
[14:32] <ScottK> Oh, except the translations.  Doing.
[14:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: backlog is your friend
[14:36] <apachelogger> yofel: clucene missing cmake copying file \o/
[14:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: So is reading the reloaded +queue page before I declare I'm done.
[14:37] <ScottK> In any case, accepted now.
[14:38] <apachelogger> actually
[14:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think backlog is shadeslayer's friend
[14:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks for accepting tho :)
[14:39] <ScottK> What point backlog when he's always doing exams?
[14:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: frome friend you are
[14:39] <apachelogger> anyhow
[14:39] <apachelogger> headache is coming
[14:39] <apachelogger> also EHUNGRY
[14:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: no more exams now fwiw :P
[14:40] <ScottK> So you say.
[14:43] <apachelogger> you know
[14:43] <apachelogger> we should rip software out instead of putting new one :P
[14:44] <apachelogger> build up the seed from scratch and make it more awesome
[14:45] <apachelogger> there come the hunger delusions
[14:47] <debfx> shadeslayer: kde-telepathy-call-ui shouldn't pull in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[14:48] <shadeslayer> but they are required, without those you can't make calls to, Phones and such
[14:48] <shadeslayer> So, I'd say, put them in Recommends
[14:49] <debfx> shadeslayer: well we are not allowed to ship gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg on images
[14:49] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:49] <shadeslayer> iirc gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg was a important part in making calls
[14:50] <shadeslayer> debfx: don't ship call-ui by default then? It doesn't work at times 
[14:50] <shadeslayer> a bit wonky tbh
[14:50] <shadeslayer> better not to ship the call ui than to ship a broken one
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ( You could prompt the user to install it like we do with flash etc )
[14:51] <debfx> doesn't that already work? qapt is supposed to integrate with gstreamer
[14:51] <shadeslayer> dunno, I'm not familiar with those bits
[14:57] <jussi> apachelogger: Im waiting on claydoh to get back to me
[14:58] <fabo> apachelogger: pong
[14:58] <jussi> (re: council stuff)
[15:45] <debfx> shadeslayer: ok, so I'll just pull call-ui out of the meta package
[15:45] <shadeslayer> uhh wait
[15:45] <shadeslayer> debfx: there's another package called ktp-standard
[15:46] <shadeslayer> or something like that, I don't recall the exact name
[15:46] <debfx> what about that package?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> that doesn't pull in the call-ui
[15:47] <shadeslayer> only the very basic things needed for ktp
[15:47] <debfx> there is a kde-telepathy-minimal
[15:47] <shadeslayer> !info kde-telepathy-minimal
[15:47] <shadeslayer> that one 
[15:48] <shadeslayer> so that pulls in the minimal deps, and then you can add other things :)
[15:48] <debfx> shadeslayer: all telepathy components recommend kde-telepathy
[15:49] <shadeslayer> debfx: minimal doesn't from what I can see
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Recommends: telepathy-gabble, telepathy-salut, telepathy-haze
[15:49] <debfx> which seems wrong to me but I want to avoid changing every package
[15:49] <debfx> not minimal, but all the packages minimal depends on
[15:49] <shadeslayer> ahh
[15:49] <shadeslayer> then we have no choice :(
[16:43] <debfx> ScottK: I have another package removal bug for you :)  bug #1017589
[16:43] <ScottK> debfx: What are the chances they come back before 4.9.1?
[16:47] <debfx> ScottK: I haven't check all of them but most are ~10% translated so I'd say not very high
[16:47] <ScottK> OK.
[16:47] <ScottK> Easy enough to bring them back if needed.
[16:48] <debfx> none of them were part of KDE 4.8
[17:08] <ScottK> debfx: Done.
[17:29] <Quintasan> \o
[17:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: How is ktp? Where is packaging?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: it's in the archive
[17:34] <Quintasan> I'm totally not up to date with $STUFF
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: want something to do?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Test Neon VM images and figure out whats wrong
[17:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: about ktp first, did it go to Debian as well?
[17:35] <Quintasan> Are we in sync with Debian?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> we are in sync with debian
[17:35] <shadeslayer> ktp won't make it to the debian freeze
[17:35] <ScottK> Debian has a stack of ktp stuff in New right now.
[17:35] <shadeslayer> it ... does?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> I thought George said it won't get in before the freezwe
[17:36]  * ScottK double checks.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> *freeze
[17:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Ok. Any major delta from the packaging George did?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> anywho, the packaging is in sync
[17:36] <shadeslayer> afaik, no
[17:36] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Search http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html for ktp.
[17:36]  * shadeslayer searches
[17:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Packaging still on alioth?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ye
[17:37] <Quintasan> care to link? it seems I have lost the link somehow
[17:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah, it's in new, lets hope it gets in before the freeze
[17:37]  * shadeslayer needs a better window management system with all these windows
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/
[17:38] <shadeslayer> search for pkg-kde/kde-extras/kde-telepathy/
[17:38] <Quintasan> So behind...
[17:38] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[17:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Are our Neon recipes still working?
[17:39] <afiestas_> rbelem: ping
[17:39] <yofel> Quintasan: they are
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we haz Neon VM recipe now
[17:39] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:40] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: any major delta in the recipes and packaging itself since I left?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> don't think so
[17:40] <shadeslayer> yofel would probably know
[17:40] <yofel> not really, at least not from a package perspective
[17:41] <Quintasan> You know, now I realised how little is to be done to get dailies rolling now
[17:43] <Quintasan> yofel: K, thanks for doing that stuff, will try to lift some of the stuff from you
[17:43] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you know what would be awesome? Daily packages picking up things from KDE stable branches
[17:44] <shadeslayer> And we can do that with bzr
[17:44] <Quintasan> Uhh like what?
[17:44] <Quintasan> Give me an example
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: import the 4.8 branch of kdelibs into bzr
[17:45] <shadeslayer> then setup continuous packaging that uploads to a PPA
[17:45] <shadeslayer> where it gets test built and tested
[17:45] <shadeslayer> then every weekend, you run a script to upload those pacakges to the archive
[17:45] <Quintasan> >where is gets [...] tested
[17:45] <Quintasan> you are responsible for writing automated tests
[17:45] <Quintasan> :P
[17:46] <shadeslayer> no, I meant, developers enable said PPA
[17:46] <Quintasan> oh
[17:46] <shadeslayer> and upgrade every Thursday/Friday
[17:46] <shadeslayer> if any bugs are found, don't upload that version to the archive
[17:46] <shadeslayer> fix said bugs, and upload next week
[17:46] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ktp 0.4 in PPA or not?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes
[17:47] <yofel> look, we don't have enough people to do Q/A once a *month*, how do you want to do Q/A once a week?
[17:47] <Quintasan> yofel: *shh* let him dream
[17:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: have a rotation cycle? 
[17:47] <yofel> oh, sorry ^^
[17:47] <shadeslayer> haha :P
[17:48] <Quintasan> krap
[17:49] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ktp dailies are dead as !@##!%$
[17:49] <Quintasan> Wanna fix it or I add it to my todo?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> a rotation cycle where every dev has to test the PPA once every  6 weeks or so?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I have zip time
[17:50] <Quintasan> zip time?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> I'm trying to organize 2 BoF's , fixing my KCM's, dealing with other people's visa issues ... ETOOMUCHTODO
[17:50] <Quintasan> k
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: 0 mins 0 Hours 0 Days :P
[17:50] <shadeslayer> now where was I
[17:57] <Quintasan> WTF
[17:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: added ppa to my precise install and no ktp packages
[17:58] <Quintasan> vm
[17:58] <Quintasan> nvm
[18:00] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[18:02] <Quintasan> TO HELL WITH ALL THOSE BRANCHES
[18:02] <Quintasan> GTFO OF LAUNCHPAD
[18:02] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: now, want me to show you something?
[18:02] <Quintasan> Go on.
[18:03] <shadeslayer> give me 2 minutes, need to find it myself
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ah there we go
[18:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/~hrvojes/+archive/ktp-kde-nightly
[18:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:03] <Quintasan> yeah, seen this
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ok cool
[18:04] <Quintasan> Bad news, I already have everything done
[18:04] <Quintasan> needs importing
[18:05] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: has that s3 instance cost you anything yet?
[19:11] <soee> hi
[19:12] <jussi> Quintasan: hi?
[19:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep
[19:41] <shadeslayer> oh, how much?
[19:52] <Riddell> $0.08 + VAT!
[19:53] <Riddell> that's how generous I am to you
[19:55] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: <3
[19:56] <shadeslayer> I'm actually thinking of moving the S3 instance to Europe since it'll be faster to upload images from yofel's thinkpad
[19:56] <shadeslayer> not sure how to do that though
[20:16] <bambee_> gmail is dead... :O
[20:16] <bambee_> seriously... I receive zero email... wtf
[20:17] <bambee_> (I am connected to the servers but nothing is received o.O
[20:17] <bambee_> )
[20:19] <shadeslayer> bambee_: wfm
[20:20] <bambee_> tssss
[20:23]  * ScottK takes 4.8.4 for a spin.
[20:36] <ScottK> Platform Version 4.8.4 (4.8.4) <-- And here I am.
[20:55] <Riddell> ScottK: how many beasties can you find?
[21:56] <ScottK> Riddell: So far so good.
[21:56] <ScottK> kdepim/akonadi is painful, but certainly no worse than before.
[22:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1017709] package kdm (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-removal sc... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1017709 (by jjinco33)
[22:37] <genii-around> Hm,