[00:41] <reisio> hrmmm, can't /join #ubuntu
[01:05] <bazhang> reisio, you were ban forwarded here
[01:06] <reisio> why's that?
[01:06] <bazhang> telling people to google it, and being less than helpful from the look of it
[01:07] <reisio> I haven't told anyone to google anything for ages, if ever
[01:08] <reisio> and since the channel is publicly logged, that is a matter of public record
[01:11] <bazhang> and the unhelpful bit?
[01:12] <reisio> show me where I was unhelpful
[01:12] <bazhang> you'd better discuss with the op who banned you.
[01:13] <reisio> I tried to, he ignored me
[01:13] <bazhang> when
[01:13] <reisio> when I got kicked
[01:14] <bazhang> well there is an easy way to resolve this, but being contentious wont be that way
[01:14] <reisio> contentious? Is that what you call having no idea why you're banned?
[01:14] <bazhang> so I'd suggest waiting a bit, and discussing with him at some later point
[01:14] <reisio> what's the easy way to resolve it?
[01:14] <bazhang> oh I have a clear idea.
[01:14] <reisio> some magical later point when he won't just ignore me?
[01:14] <reisio> a clear idea of what?
[01:15] <bazhang> why you were banned.
[01:15] <reisio> do tell
[01:15] <bazhang> better you let all parties concerned cool off and come back later to discuss.
[01:16] <reisio> well I'm not "hot", and an op that's hot shouldn't be an op, but seeing as you won't help me and the op in question is just ignoring me, I s'pose I have little choice but to sit here and jabber with you
[01:16] <bazhang> not interested.
[01:16] <reisio> I can see that, baz
[01:17] <reisio> why was I forwarded to a channel of people who aren't interested in talking with me?
[01:17] <bazhang> we don't stay on call 24/7
[01:17] <reisio> you don't have to
[01:17] <reisio> you (personally) are here right now
[01:17] <bazhang> indeed. it's volunteer work.
[01:17] <elky> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/23/%23ubuntu.html#t09:21
[01:18] <reisio> so you aren't volunteering right now? :)
[01:18] <bazhang> not interested in a debate on who's right or wrong. you were banned, and then forwarded here.
[01:18] <reisio> why was I forwarded here?
[01:19] <bazhang> seems like you want to argue the fine points more than get the ban removed.
[01:19] <reisio> uhhh...
[01:19] <reisio> how does it seem that?
[01:19] <reisio> I would like the ban removed
[01:19] <reisio> please remove it :)
[01:20] <elky> Man, I wish life worked like that.
[01:20] <bazhang> not without some recognition of why you got banned
[01:20] <bazhang> reisio	themacguy: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22mac%22%20%22grub2%22
[01:21] <bazhang> oCean	reisio: please don't send people to google. They know google exists, they come here for specific answers to specific questions
[01:21] <reisio> oCean didn't ban me
[01:21] <elky> bazhang, actually, the bit he directly got banned for that wasn't just bad reputation was http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/24/%23ubuntu.html#t08:29
[01:21] <bazhang> 	oCean: do they really... and where is your alternative
[01:21] <bazhang> the last was you
[01:22] <elky> someone asked for "a good av" and so he told them to use something that was useless.
[01:22] <reisio> I did not
[01:22] <reisio> clamav is a good av
[01:22] <reisio> it's a superb av
[01:23] <elky> It's not what he was looking for, however. You were aware of that. You still told him to use it.
[01:23] <reisio> I was not aware of that, he specifically asked for an av
[01:24] <reisio> to my eyes that means he was specifically looking for one
[01:24] <elky> You're not a good helper then.
[01:24] <elky> You should have asked what the av was for, as that's what a good helper would have done first.
[01:24] <elky> Rather than giving misleading advice.
[01:24] <reisio> it wasn't misleading
[01:24] <elky> Yes. Yes it was.
[01:25] <reisio> uhhhh, no it wasn't
[01:25] <reisio> are you serious?
[01:25] <elky> Yes.
[01:25] <reisio> how is telling someone a good av when they ask for one misleading?
[01:25] <elky> In windows land, what are AVs for?
[01:26] <reisio> they're for anti-virus
[01:26] <elky> In what capacity?
[01:26] <reisio> in what capacity?
[01:26] <reisio> they detect viruses
[01:26] <reisio> I assume this questioning is meant to reveal the answer to my question about how it was misleading?
[01:28] <reisio> perhaps not?
[01:28] <elky> In the same capacity as an antivirus on linux?
[01:28] <reisio> there is a broad overlap, sure
[01:29] <reisio> AV is about the same on any platform, find viruses, optionally do something about them
[01:29] <reisio> as I assume you know
[01:31] <elky> So, you're saying that clamav on linux will protect the computer in the same way that an av on windows does?
[01:32] <reisio> it detects viruses the same way it does on Windows
[01:32] <elky> That's not what I asked.
[01:33] <elky> wrapids	Could someone point me in the direction of a good AV?	08:29
[01:33] <elky> reisio	wrapids: clamav	08:29
[01:33] <elky> ikonia	wrapids: you shouldn't need one for linux	08:30
[01:33] <elky> ikonia	reisio: that will not protect his linux machine	08:30
[01:33] <elky> reisio	ikonia: the sun rises in the east	08:30
[01:33] <elky> ikonia	reisio: what ?	08:30
[01:33] <elky> reisio	ikonia: thought it was state the obvious time	08:30
[01:33] <reisio> the exact same way? No, Windows and Linux are different operating systems
[01:33] <reisio> elky: you shouldn't need cinelerra for Linux, either
[01:33] <reisio> are you saying I'd have been banned for saying 'cinelerra' to someone asking for a video editor?
[01:34] <elky> No, I'm saying you are well aware that there are different use cases between linux and windows, and did not clarify in the least.
[01:35] <reisio> clarify what
[01:35] <reisio> he didn't even respond to me
[01:35] <reisio> wrapids
[01:35] <reisio> didn't seem like he was confused about anything
[01:35] <reisio> so... what would I have clarified
[01:36] <elky> What the user wanted the AV for, before implying that clamav would fulfil the typical newbie expectation.
[01:36] <reisio> he didn't say what he wanted it for
[01:38] <reisio> is that it, I was banned for not clarifying something the user never brought up? For not reading minds, basically?
[01:38] <elky> I need to get back to work now. Since you're clearly unwilling to learn from the experience of channel ops, this is not progressing. Therefore I will not unban you.
[01:38] <reisio> I still have no idea wtf I'm supposed to be learning
[01:38] <elky> reisio, that and your poor attitude the day before.
[01:38] <reisio> you tell me
[01:39] <reisio> what attitude?...
[01:39] <elky> reisio themacguy: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22mac%22%20%22grub2%22
[01:39] <reisio> ...you gleaned an attitude from that msg?
[01:39] <reisio> to me it's two nicks and a URI
[01:40] <reisio> I still don't know what it is you think I've done wrong
[01:40] <reisio> here's a Linux virus that clamav detects: http://www.tux.org/pub/security/secnet/tools/abliss.tar.gz
[01:41] <elky> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/23/%23ubuntu.html#t09:21
[01:41] <reisio> which is its job
[01:41] <reisio> so... you're saying I'm banned for the discussion with oCean?
[01:41] <reisio> I should be talking to oCean?
[01:41] <elky> read further down where you backchat an op who tells you to let people who know how to do things help, rather than be obnoxious with giving people a page of google results they likely don't understand
[01:42] <reisio> elky: likely?
[01:42] <reisio> does he say he doesn't understand?
[01:42] <reisio> or does he go off happy?
[01:42] <reisio> IIRC it's the latter
[01:42] <reisio> you're banning people for things they never did...
[01:43] <elky> As I said before, I need to go back to work and you're being unrepentant. I will not lift the ban.
[01:43] <elky> Bye.
[01:44] <reisio> I will not be repentant for helping out themacguy
[01:44] <reisio> the man typed out a smiley face
[01:44] <reisio> and oCean isn't the one who banned me anyways
[01:45] <reisio> anybody else want to tell me clamav isn't an antivirus?
[01:46] <reisio> there must be one of you in here that realizes it _is_ an antivirus
[01:46] <bazhang> thats not the point
[01:46] <reisio> what _is_ the point, then?
[01:46] <bazhang> he wanted something like MSE
[01:46] <Jordan_U> reisio: Nobody has said that Clamav isn't an antivirus. Putting words in others mouths will not help your situation.
[01:46] <reisio> clamav _is_ like MSE
[01:47] <bazhang> no its not
[01:47] <reisio> and he didn't specify what he wanted outside of 'an av'
[01:47] <reisio> yes, it really is
[01:47] <bazhang> oy vey
[01:47] <reisio> Jordan_U: well that's all _I_ ever said
[01:47] <reisio> and here I am banned
[01:47] <bazhang> better come back later
[01:47] <reisio> what good will that do?
[01:47] <reisio> you guys going to look up what an AV is between now and "later"?
[01:47] <bazhang> I'm not unbanning you either
[01:47] <reisio> really, you aren't? :p
[01:48] <bazhang> you just want to argue how your behavior is 100% a-ok, when in fact it's not
[01:48] <reisio> Jordan_U: man asked for an av, I told him one — you tell me, why'm I banned?
[01:48] <reisio> bazhang: actually I'd like to be unbanned
[01:48] <reisio> and you people don't seem to be able to do that without determining why I was banned in the first place
[01:48] <bazhang> reisio, no one's unbanning you. please exit the channel.
[01:48] <reisio> but you don't seem to be capable of that
[01:48] <Jordan_U> reisio: I'm personally more concerned with your demonstrably bad attitude than anything else.
[01:49] <reisio> bazhang: I didn't join this channel, baz
[01:49] <reisio> someone put me here
[01:49] <reisio> Jordan_U: what bad attitude?
[01:49] <bazhang> you can part. I suggest you do so now
[01:49] <reisio> I'd rather be unbanned
[01:49] <bazhang> not going to happen.
[01:49] <reisio> sure it will, it always does
[01:50] <reisio> Jordan_U: I guess it's a bad attitude if you don't want to be banned?
[01:50] <bazhang> it's more than likely that the ban will be lengthened than anything else
[01:50] <reisio> Jordan_U: or are you looking through your logs trying to find some evidence of your baseless claim now?
[01:50] <reisio> bazhang: for what?
[01:51] <bazhang> so better stop digging and part now
[01:51] <reisio> bazhang: for what?
[01:51] <Jordan_U> reisio: Due to your bad attitue which you have demonstrated here, just now. That's the last I'm going to say as this is pointless.
[01:51] <reisio> Jordan_U: so you have no basis for your claim, good to know
[01:52] <reisio> "oh he doesn't want to be banned for saying clamav is an av, that's a bad attitude!"
[01:52] <reisio> :p
[01:52] <reisio> bazhang: that's what I thought
[01:54] <bazhang> reisio, please exit the channel
[01:54] <reisio> I didn't _join_ the channel in the first place
[01:54] <reisio> I was summoned here
[01:54] <reisio> clean up your own messes
[01:55] <elky> Someone go update that from forward to proper ban.
[01:56] <elky> Aw crap, when did it turn 2pm?
[01:56] <knome> elky, three hours ago.
[01:57] <elky> Actually, in 3 minutes time. And i haven't had lunch yet.
[01:57] <Jordan_U> Ban changed.
[01:57] <elky> thanks
[02:30] <twb> I am banned in #ubuntu-server.  I do not know why,   I speculate this is for swearng twice in a month.  I would like the ban lifted.
[02:30] <bazhang> twb, is the swearing going to cease?
[02:30] <twb> Yes.
[02:31] <twb> I only swear by accident in Ubuntu channels and AFAIK it is quiet infrequent.
[02:31] <twb> But IIRC you talked to me last Friday and you didn't have privs to lift the ban in any case
[02:31] <bazhang> check what you have typed before hitting enter
[02:34] <twb> If you want someone to vouch for me, you could ask Spamaps or perhaps cjwatson
[02:34] <bazhang> just dont swear would cure it.
[02:34] <bazhang> we can lift the ban, but if you do it again then it wont be so quick next time
[02:35] <twb> I give up.  I'll leave #ubuntu-* forever and direct my questions and support efforts to #debian-offtopic instead.
[02:35] <IdleOne> that is fine
[02:35] <bazhang> ok
 Is there a replacement for Everything on Ubuntu?
[03:52] <bazhang> * [kantian] (~don@216.166.7.6): allen
[07:16] <elky> To #debian-offtopic? hahahaha The first part of the #debian-offtopic topic: " Please take support questions to #debian - NO, REALLY"
[07:22] <vibhav> Is macbuntu supported in #ubuntu
[07:23] <vibhav> ?
[07:29] <elky> If you don't know the answer, let others answer. Dr_Willis already did so.
[07:31] <elky> dr_willis answered, mind you, quite a long time before he came and asked that
[07:32] <elky> well, 2 minutes, but plenty enough time for him to see the conversation
[07:33] <Myrtti> my trollsenses tingle in #ubuntu
[07:43] <Myrtti> oh man
[07:45] <Myrtti> please tell me someone else is awake and watching this
[07:58] <Myrtti> @mark
[12:25] <Pici> ikonia: thanks ubottu
[12:26] <ikonia> I suspect his motives where not great
[12:26] <ikonia> Pici: he was trolling #kubuntu too, but not with anything "bad" just ranting about how crap it is
[12:26] <Pici> ikonia: yeah, I was just looking for scrollback as you did that
[12:26] <ikonia> I suspect he'll start in #debian shortly
[12:28] <ikonia> I'm leaving him on mute until he responds to my messages
[12:28] <ikonia> (or joins here to talk to someone)
[12:28] <Pici> sounds good
[12:33] <Pici> ikonia: fyi, punk45rock is on the same ip as that andchat person.
[12:33] <ikonia> nice spot
[12:33] <ikonia> he confirmed he was trying to be a problem in pm, hence changing it to a +b see the eir config for auto remove info
[14:54] <bazhang> windows cloud server console via ubuntu ?
[15:12] <ikonia> ?
[15:12] <bazhang> a question some time ago in #ubuntu
[15:12] <ikonia> I'm guessing an rdp connection would work
 BUT... are you certain that that is not something i have already tried?
[15:52] <bazhang> what is the sound of one hand clapping
[15:53]  * oCean tries
[15:55]  * oCean adds an other skill to his linkedin profile
[15:56]  * h00k balances the lightswitch between on and off
[16:21] <h00k> IdleOne: I think zy was saying rang0 has ikonia on ignore
[16:21] <IdleOne> I don't think so
[16:21] <h00k> IdleOne: but I could be wrong
[16:21] <h00k> It happened before. Just once, though.
[16:22] <IdleOne> hehe
[16:22] <h00k> also, 'rango' not rang0
[20:41] <Myrtti> !gr
[21:37]  * h00k blinks