[00:41] hrmmm, can't /join #ubuntu [01:05] reisio, you were ban forwarded here [01:06] why's that? [01:06] telling people to google it, and being less than helpful from the look of it [01:07] I haven't told anyone to google anything for ages, if ever [01:08] and since the channel is publicly logged, that is a matter of public record [01:11] and the unhelpful bit? [01:12] show me where I was unhelpful [01:12] you'd better discuss with the op who banned you. [01:13] I tried to, he ignored me [01:13] when [01:13] when I got kicked [01:14] well there is an easy way to resolve this, but being contentious wont be that way [01:14] contentious? Is that what you call having no idea why you're banned? [01:14] so I'd suggest waiting a bit, and discussing with him at some later point [01:14] what's the easy way to resolve it? [01:14] oh I have a clear idea. [01:14] some magical later point when he won't just ignore me? [01:14] a clear idea of what? [01:15] why you were banned. [01:15] do tell [01:15] better you let all parties concerned cool off and come back later to discuss. [01:16] well I'm not "hot", and an op that's hot shouldn't be an op, but seeing as you won't help me and the op in question is just ignoring me, I s'pose I have little choice but to sit here and jabber with you [01:16] not interested. [01:16] I can see that, baz [01:17] why was I forwarded to a channel of people who aren't interested in talking with me? [01:17] we don't stay on call 24/7 [01:17] you don't have to [01:17] you (personally) are here right now [01:17] indeed. it's volunteer work. [01:17] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/23/%23ubuntu.html#t09:21 [01:18] so you aren't volunteering right now? :) [01:18] not interested in a debate on who's right or wrong. you were banned, and then forwarded here. [01:18] why was I forwarded here? [01:19] seems like you want to argue the fine points more than get the ban removed. [01:19] uhhh... [01:19] how does it seem that? [01:19] I would like the ban removed [01:19] please remove it :) [01:20] Man, I wish life worked like that. [01:20] not without some recognition of why you got banned [01:20] reisio themacguy: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22mac%22%20%22grub2%22 [01:21] oCean reisio: please don't send people to google. They know google exists, they come here for specific answers to specific questions [01:21] oCean didn't ban me [01:21] bazhang, actually, the bit he directly got banned for that wasn't just bad reputation was http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/24/%23ubuntu.html#t08:29 [01:21] oCean: do they really... and where is your alternative [01:21] the last was you [01:22] someone asked for "a good av" and so he told them to use something that was useless. [01:22] I did not [01:22] clamav is a good av [01:22] it's a superb av [01:23] It's not what he was looking for, however. You were aware of that. You still told him to use it. [01:23] I was not aware of that, he specifically asked for an av [01:24] to my eyes that means he was specifically looking for one [01:24] You're not a good helper then. [01:24] You should have asked what the av was for, as that's what a good helper would have done first. [01:24] Rather than giving misleading advice. [01:24] it wasn't misleading [01:24] Yes. Yes it was. [01:25] uhhhh, no it wasn't [01:25] are you serious? [01:25] Yes. [01:25] how is telling someone a good av when they ask for one misleading? [01:25] In windows land, what are AVs for? [01:26] they're for anti-virus [01:26] In what capacity? [01:26] in what capacity? [01:26] they detect viruses [01:26] I assume this questioning is meant to reveal the answer to my question about how it was misleading? [01:28] perhaps not? [01:28] In the same capacity as an antivirus on linux? [01:28] there is a broad overlap, sure [01:29] AV is about the same on any platform, find viruses, optionally do something about them [01:29] as I assume you know [01:31] So, you're saying that clamav on linux will protect the computer in the same way that an av on windows does? [01:32] it detects viruses the same way it does on Windows [01:32] That's not what I asked. [01:33] wrapids Could someone point me in the direction of a good AV? 08:29 [01:33] reisio wrapids: clamav 08:29 [01:33] ikonia wrapids: you shouldn't need one for linux 08:30 [01:33] ikonia reisio: that will not protect his linux machine 08:30 [01:33] reisio ikonia: the sun rises in the east 08:30 [01:33] ikonia reisio: what ? 08:30 [01:33] reisio ikonia: thought it was state the obvious time 08:30 [01:33] the exact same way? No, Windows and Linux are different operating systems [01:33] elky: you shouldn't need cinelerra for Linux, either [01:33] are you saying I'd have been banned for saying 'cinelerra' to someone asking for a video editor? [01:34] No, I'm saying you are well aware that there are different use cases between linux and windows, and did not clarify in the least. [01:35] clarify what [01:35] he didn't even respond to me [01:35] wrapids [01:35] didn't seem like he was confused about anything [01:35] so... what would I have clarified [01:36] What the user wanted the AV for, before implying that clamav would fulfil the typical newbie expectation. [01:36] he didn't say what he wanted it for [01:38] is that it, I was banned for not clarifying something the user never brought up? For not reading minds, basically? [01:38] I need to get back to work now. Since you're clearly unwilling to learn from the experience of channel ops, this is not progressing. Therefore I will not unban you. [01:38] I still have no idea wtf I'm supposed to be learning [01:38] reisio, that and your poor attitude the day before. [01:38] you tell me [01:39] what attitude?... [01:39] reisio themacguy: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22mac%22%20%22grub2%22 [01:39] ...you gleaned an attitude from that msg? [01:39] to me it's two nicks and a URI [01:40] I still don't know what it is you think I've done wrong [01:40] here's a Linux virus that clamav detects: http://www.tux.org/pub/security/secnet/tools/abliss.tar.gz [01:41] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/23/%23ubuntu.html#t09:21 [01:41] which is its job [01:41] so... you're saying I'm banned for the discussion with oCean? [01:41] I should be talking to oCean? [01:41] read further down where you backchat an op who tells you to let people who know how to do things help, rather than be obnoxious with giving people a page of google results they likely don't understand [01:42] elky: likely? [01:42] does he say he doesn't understand? [01:42] or does he go off happy? [01:42] IIRC it's the latter [01:42] you're banning people for things they never did... [01:43] As I said before, I need to go back to work and you're being unrepentant. I will not lift the ban. [01:43] Bye. [01:44] I will not be repentant for helping out themacguy [01:44] the man typed out a smiley face [01:44] and oCean isn't the one who banned me anyways [01:45] anybody else want to tell me clamav isn't an antivirus? [01:46] there must be one of you in here that realizes it _is_ an antivirus [01:46] thats not the point [01:46] what _is_ the point, then? [01:46] he wanted something like MSE [01:46] reisio: Nobody has said that Clamav isn't an antivirus. Putting words in others mouths will not help your situation. [01:46] clamav _is_ like MSE [01:47] no its not [01:47] and he didn't specify what he wanted outside of 'an av' [01:47] yes, it really is [01:47] oy vey [01:47] Jordan_U: well that's all _I_ ever said [01:47] and here I am banned [01:47] better come back later [01:47] what good will that do? [01:47] you guys going to look up what an AV is between now and "later"? [01:47] I'm not unbanning you either [01:47] really, you aren't? :p [01:48] you just want to argue how your behavior is 100% a-ok, when in fact it's not [01:48] Jordan_U: man asked for an av, I told him one — you tell me, why'm I banned? [01:48] bazhang: actually I'd like to be unbanned [01:48] and you people don't seem to be able to do that without determining why I was banned in the first place [01:48] reisio, no one's unbanning you. please exit the channel. [01:48] but you don't seem to be capable of that [01:48] reisio: I'm personally more concerned with your demonstrably bad attitude than anything else. [01:49] bazhang: I didn't join this channel, baz [01:49] someone put me here [01:49] Jordan_U: what bad attitude? [01:49] you can part. I suggest you do so now [01:49] I'd rather be unbanned [01:49] not going to happen. [01:49] sure it will, it always does [01:50] Jordan_U: I guess it's a bad attitude if you don't want to be banned? [01:50] it's more than likely that the ban will be lengthened than anything else [01:50] Jordan_U: or are you looking through your logs trying to find some evidence of your baseless claim now? [01:50] bazhang: for what? [01:51] so better stop digging and part now [01:51] bazhang: for what? [01:51] reisio: Due to your bad attitue which you have demonstrated here, just now. That's the last I'm going to say as this is pointless. [01:51] Jordan_U: so you have no basis for your claim, good to know [01:52] "oh he doesn't want to be banned for saying clamav is an av, that's a bad attitude!" [01:52] :p [01:52] bazhang: that's what I thought [01:54] reisio, please exit the channel [01:54] I didn't _join_ the channel in the first place [01:54] I was summoned here [01:54] clean up your own messes [01:55] Someone go update that from forward to proper ban. [01:56] Aw crap, when did it turn 2pm? [01:56] elky, three hours ago. [01:57] Actually, in 3 minutes time. And i haven't had lunch yet. [01:57] Ban changed. [01:57] thanks [02:30] I am banned in #ubuntu-server. I do not know why, I speculate this is for swearng twice in a month. I would like the ban lifted. [02:30] twb, is the swearing going to cease? [02:30] Yes. [02:31] I only swear by accident in Ubuntu channels and AFAIK it is quiet infrequent. [02:31] But IIRC you talked to me last Friday and you didn't have privs to lift the ban in any case [02:31] check what you have typed before hitting enter [02:34] If you want someone to vouch for me, you could ask Spamaps or perhaps cjwatson [02:34] just dont swear would cure it. [02:34] we can lift the ban, but if you do it again then it wont be so quick next time [02:35] I give up. I'll leave #ubuntu-* forever and direct my questions and support efforts to #debian-offtopic instead. [02:35] that is fine [02:35] ok [03:13] Is there a replacement for Everything on Ubuntu? [03:52] * [kantian] (~don@216.166.7.6): allen [07:16] To #debian-offtopic? hahahaha The first part of the #debian-offtopic topic: " Please take support questions to #debian - NO, REALLY" [07:22] Is macbuntu supported in #ubuntu [07:23] ? [07:29] If you don't know the answer, let others answer. Dr_Willis already did so. [07:31] dr_willis answered, mind you, quite a long time before he came and asked that [07:32] well, 2 minutes, but plenty enough time for him to see the conversation [07:33] my trollsenses tingle in #ubuntu [07:43] oh man [07:45] please tell me someone else is awake and watching this [07:58] @mark [07:58] (mark [] []) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if was kicked from with the comment , if is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, is only needed when send in /msg === chu_ is now known as chu [12:25] ikonia: thanks ubottu [12:26] I suspect his motives where not great [12:26] Pici: he was trolling #kubuntu too, but not with anything "bad" just ranting about how crap it is [12:26] ikonia: yeah, I was just looking for scrollback as you did that [12:26] I suspect he'll start in #debian shortly [12:28] I'm leaving him on mute until he responds to my messages [12:28] (or joins here to talk to someone) [12:28] sounds good [12:33] ikonia: fyi, punk45rock is on the same ip as that andchat person. [12:33] nice spot [12:33] he confirmed he was trying to be a problem in pm, hence changing it to a +b see the eir config for auto remove info [14:54] windows cloud server console via ubuntu ? [15:12] ? [15:12] a question some time ago in #ubuntu [15:12] I'm guessing an rdp connection would work === jtrucks is now known as monstertrucks === monstertrucks is now known as jtrucks [15:51] BUT... are you certain that that is not something i have already tried? [15:52] what is the sound of one hand clapping [15:53] * oCean tries [15:55] * oCean adds an other skill to his linkedin profile [15:56] * h00k balances the lightswitch between on and off [16:21] IdleOne: I think zy was saying rang0 has ikonia on ignore [16:21] I don't think so [16:21] IdleOne: but I could be wrong [16:21] It happened before. Just once, though. [16:22] hehe [16:22] also, 'rango' not rang0 === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [20:41] !gr [20:41] #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές / #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes [21:37] * h00k blinks