[00:10] ali1234: any idea why that (if it was) ARP error is only between the two pc [00:10] *pc's [00:10] nope [00:12] hmm, 'arp' on the server is instant. On my pc it takes 20 seconds [00:14] try arp -n [00:16] will now [00:16] 'time arp' -> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1950993653 [00:16] arp -n is instant [00:18] hmm, I just noticed in that paste. on my pc it does not find the name of the router, but the server has it [00:18] server: myrouter.home pc: 192.168.0.1 [00:34] ali1234: extra strange, when it is 'down' arp from pc reports myrouter.home and as soon as it is back up again the router name is gone and ip shows again [00:35] sounds like a DNS/DHCP problem [00:35] how long are your leases? [00:36] I have it fixed [00:36] not sure about leases [00:38] well the router has the pc mac and its set to .3, server is .2 [00:38] I have various others like printer and gf laptop also fixed ip's [00:38] turned off my iphone and printer now in case of conflicts but still the same [00:40] HA [00:40] ali1234: I hacked it fixed [00:41] echo 'myrouter.home 192.168.0.1' > /etc/hosts [00:42] :( premature happiness [01:29] Anyone alive have any idea what's up with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058409/ [01:29] trying to get grub to go onto someones raid array, and it's just not having it :( === furry is now known as Guest82397 === Guest82397 is now known as furryfur [04:27] how can i reply to a mailing list post that was posted before i subscribed to the mailing list? [06:46] take me to chat [06:46] ali1234: interesting question, I can give you all the headers and x-replyto stuff [06:47] i would like to understand how to use this program [06:47] i am a tad bit confused [06:47] what program bubba? [07:32] * mattt is sweepy :( [07:48] Morning all [07:48] morning all [07:52] morning morning [07:56] Good mornings peeps :) [07:58] popey: pull :) [08:08] HazRPG: remember flash fullscreen hack and chrome? what did you need to do to make it work? [08:12] anyone got google chrome (not chromium) installed and can pastebin /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome please? [08:12] it should be the startup shell script that calls the real binary [08:14] fullscreen hack? [08:16] Morning all o/ [08:18] MartijnVdS: you know i've told you about it several times :) [08:18] http://al.robotfuzz.com/workaround-for-flash-on-linux-multihead-desktops/ [08:23] we even discussed how i would implement it while i was working on it :) [08:24] "(19:37:59) MartijnVdS: ali1234: You are a scary man." [08:24] Stupid MS, forgetting I was part of a trusted domain & not letting me log on to the network === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:36] ali1234: I seem to have fixed it [08:36] oh? [08:37] not on purpose [08:37] I read a blog, about arping [08:37] installed that and right after if finished net went dead [08:38] removed arping, still dead. so then added auto eth0 etc to /etc/network/interfaces and now fine [08:39] that makes no sense [08:39] well, has not died this morning yet [08:39] I know, it makes as much sense as the issue in the first place [08:39] i'm almost entirely sure the problem is caused by a rogue dhcp server or ip or mac address conflict on your network [08:39] and the issue had been constant for over a week so it was not a once of thing [08:43] ali1234: if you still need it, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058764/ [08:44] shauno: thanks. i don't see anything in there that would break the wrapper :/ [08:44] (it says (c) chromium authors, but it is google-chrome-stable, not chromium) [08:44] close enough [08:46] that reminds me [08:46] # We don't want bug-buddy intercepting our crashes. http://crbug.com/24120 [08:46] export GNOME_DISABLE_CRASH_DIALOG=SET_BY_GOOGLE_CHROME [08:46] does that work with whoopsie too? [08:48] no, it does not [08:48] so, anyway to do that? [09:00] oh hey, nwolb started working! [09:01] ali1234, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058784/ [09:02] oh, too late :) [09:02] trying to do my coding entirely in a VM today, its actually working out pretty well :) [09:03] will need to get more ram for it though [09:04] can't you access its filesystem from outside and just run the code inside the vm? [09:04] sounds like it would be more pleasurable :P [09:05] that was the plan, but its running so well that i'm re-evaluating :) [09:06] eventually i'd like to get to the point where i can leave this machine on, enable virtualbox's remote desktop thing and be able to use the nice quad core i7 here at home to build and test new code from the laptop [09:08] * Laney wants to start using lxc for most development stuff [09:09] stgraber converted me (at least in intention, if not practice just yet) at UDS [09:10] Laney: does that work nicely with desktop ubuntu though? [09:10] what's 'nicely'? [09:10] does it not break the desktop horribly [09:10] you can run apps [09:10] things like hot-plugging disks etc. [09:10] infrastructure stuff would probably still need a VM [09:11] Because we use openvz at work and it's very broken in all kinds of subtle ways. [09:12] well I've not started doing it yet, so I guess we'll find out [09:12] his demo just showed xeyes, so perhaps not the most stringent test :-) [09:12] lxc? [09:12] linux containers [09:12] ah, ok [09:13] shows xeyes? ship it! [09:18] gord, sounds like wayland! [09:20] wayland \o/ [09:26] Is it in anyway worth seeing yet ( Wayland that is ) ? [09:26] for most people, not until it's finished [09:26] Saw a demo of Gears demo running on it a while ago [09:27] Boom boom boom, let me hear you say Wayland [09:27] Oh dear, someones happier this morning :) [09:27] is wayland named after smithers in simpsons? [09:27] It's Monday, the best time of the week! [09:28] got hit by a wall of crap even before i sat down today [09:28] i vote we ban bigcalm for getting that song stuck in our heads [09:28] Bwuhahaha :) [09:28] oh well, my lxde lasted a week, and the desire for a modicum of bling came back, so i'm installing cinnamon [09:28] to see how the multi mon support is [09:28] and the stability [09:29] lxde is doing me well though [09:29] except i like the expose features [09:29] diplo: yeah, you can run "weston" right now, but it doesn't do much [09:29] * diplo glad he is letting oimon do all the testing :P [09:29] on my work pc [09:29] Just searched for a few vids and yeah getting the same experience [09:29] AlanBell: ^^ [09:30] there might be a basic system compositor based on wayland in 12.10 [09:30] Underlying code still mainly at the mo I guess and stability rather than much to show off [09:30] nice [09:30] good morning everyone. [09:30] so that would be wayland from boot, then x runs full screen inside that [09:30] Nice to hear they are still going [09:32] q:q [09:32] i'll just move over to the vim window then. [09:33] This is not the terminal you are looking for :) [09:33] lol [09:33] I've just moved back to vim from IDE's for web dev / scripting [09:51] Morning all [09:53] bigcalm: just rang the quit line of virgin media in order to get through to a UK tech, drastic but it worked, and it's amazing the info they are prepared to give when you do, VM don't support phone, mac os, or linux, I did feel like pointing out that the superhub came with a gpl3 license cause it is running on linux :D [09:59] I always used to just say, yes I've clicked on that and yes I've done this [09:59] Just so I didn't go through those arguements [09:59] I don't need support on my OS, I am quite capable thank you [10:00] Then again, I spoke to quite a few guys in tech up there that actually used Linux.. so it wasn't all headbanging against the desk [10:01] diplo: indeed but when they are trying to take control of your device in order to test you connection it's always good to know :D [10:02] davmor2: fun times for you [10:03] bigcalm: I just got sick of getting the same junk from the indian call center, at least the English one was actually helpful [10:04] yeah same here, I was with Blueyonder in the early days [10:04] Actually got to know some of the techs by name until bugs / issues were sorted [10:07] be were really good last time i had a problem, did it all through a web im thing [10:12] Going thought a web chat helps cut out accent troubles [10:14] davmor2: glad you're attending on Wednesday. You can see Amo's disappointment when I let him play with my SGS3 ;) [10:16] bigcalm: HAHA harsh [10:16] :D [10:25] bigcalm: of course if you show off too much I'll have a look at it and break it like the one in the shop :P [10:26] davmor2: I'm keeping my things away from you! [10:26] bigcalm: I only open youtube and the web at the same time they had to restart the phone to fix it :D [10:27] Haha [10:27] Poor [10:27] bigcalm: I think there was a boat load of other stuff open [10:27] bigcalm: oh and by the way the swipe the activity list to close works on that phone [10:28] bigcalm: so it is an ICS feature [10:28] davmor2: yeah, I notied it as well [10:30] bigcalm: I'm going to ping Motorola again today to find out where my ICS update is for the Xoom too, being as the USA has had it for a while and the USA Phones are now getting roll outs [10:31] davmor2: yay :) [10:41] bigcalm: davmor2 With you mentioning tablet updates, mine trnsformer got updated to 4.03 last night [10:41] ooh, my tablet should arrive sometime [10:41] Lucky boy [10:41] coming from china so who knows when :S [10:41] DJones, prime or transformer? [10:41] * DJones offers popey some asprin [10:43] bigcalm: https://www.facebook.com/121867580498/posts/10151124365075499 now to sit back and wait for a reply :D [10:44] popey: Transformer Prime [10:45] davmor2: you'll have a long wait [10:45] (Is my guess) [10:47] At least I'm assuming it was a 4.03 update, it could have just been a minor update & I hadn't noticed it was already on 4.03 [10:47] bigcalm: to be fair they replied within a couple of hours the last time, if you don't rant and ask sensibly I found they reply, it's the Y U NOT F********************************************* ICS ********************* yet!!!!!! they tend to ignore [10:48] where's ICS for my lumia 800, nokia? >8\/ [10:49] Nokia do android? [10:49] if they ported it to mono can't you just run it on top of winphone? [10:49] * AlanBell would like ICS for galaxy S2 [10:50] bigcalm: no I think directhex is being funny [10:50] AlanBell: it's already out I thought [10:50] davmor2: I see :) [10:50] without a requirement for Kies [10:50] No idea what that is [10:50] AlanBell: have you considered CynogenMod 9? [10:50] AlanBell: unnofficial ICS is available for galaxy S [10:50] it is a samsung windows application to do updates [10:50] dunno about S2 [10:50] and you don't have to use kies [10:51] Will it work in wine? [10:51] they won't do an over the air update for some reason [10:51] you can use odin instead [10:51] doesn't work in wine, doesn't quite work in virtualbox [10:51] odin doesn't care about signed images and such [10:51] i think it's called odin [10:51] yeah, I might put cyanogenmod or an unofficial ICS build on it with odin [10:51] it's the quick-and-dirty flashing util rather than the consumer one [10:53] also ICS is available for N9 and N900, though it's probably extremely buggy [10:54] bigcalm: there is only a nightly build of CM9 for the S2, stable and experimental builds are CM7 [10:55] AlanBell: yep. 9 isn't stable yet [10:55] AlanBell: live on the edge :D [10:55] I might [10:55] CM7.2 is 2.3.7, CM9 is 4.something [10:55] boot to gecko is my other "on the edge" option [10:55] My Nexus One won't get CM9 [10:56] But that doesn't matter, my dad is having it this weekend :D [10:56] * dwatkins wonders if they will provide CM9 for the HTC Ace [10:56] what are the requirements for boot2gecko? [10:57] Hayley wants a new phone because I have the SGS3 now. I've suggested I put CM 7.2 on her HTC Wildfire. She hasn't said no... [10:57] http://www.unlimitedtips.com/2012/02/how-to-install-mozillas-boot-to.html [10:57] https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G [10:58] https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/HardwareRequirements [10:58] interestingly ARMv6 so it might run on a raspberry pi [10:58] what are the kernel requirements though? [10:58] what graphics and telephony apis does it need? [11:01] bigcalm: I have 7.1 on my Wildfire I believe [11:01] Can't remember if it's .1 or .2 [11:02] .2 went stable only recently [11:02] So .1 then :) [11:02] i hear there's some great speed improvements done by linaro guys to android..will they make a CM release? [11:02] witht eh improvements [11:03] 7.1.0.1-buzz Android V : 2.3.7 [11:03] bigcalm: One thing, if Hayley uses GPS you need to update the software for the radio as well [11:04] diplo: aha, ta for the tip [11:04] pfft. buy a cheap lumia! [11:04] * directhex flees [11:04] heh, took me a while [11:05] Where do user applications go in ubuntu? I mean where do user specific .desktop files reside? Many are in /usr/share/applications but some apps I have installed to my user account have files elsewhere it seems [11:05] ~/.local/share/applications/ [11:05] ali1234: Thanks =] [11:29] bigcalm, popey: by the way if you have a super hub and you have any devices that use b/g lan/wireless then drop the speed from 300 to 143 or whatever it is in advanced settings and it goes faster don't ask me why [11:29] ooh [11:30] i get random disconnects on wifi so i mostly dont connect to it [11:30] davmor2: I don't use the superhub as a router. I have it in modem only mode and pass traffic on to something that has more brains [11:30] bigcalm: And it doesn't keep crapping out? [11:30] Daviey: nope [11:31] Daviey: it's been solid in modem only mode [11:31] It's how i have one here.. but reliability is less than perfect [11:31] Recently connections have taken a while to get going, but I think that's a problem with VM's network rather than my hardware set up for a change [11:31] Daviey: mine is dying a death once I get to about 17:00 ie all the kids home and the adults too [11:32] Yeah, have to make the most of one's connection during the day [11:32] Daviey: all I get told it there is a high utilisation issue reported against your area it will be fixed in a months time [11:33] davmor2: "Ok, i'll start paying my bill in a months time" [11:34] Daviey: or do what I do which is rant at the leaving depot till they put you through to the UK tech team then rant at them for 20 minutes then get told you'll be subsidised for the month that it is known to be faulty :D [11:35] ring them up and tell them your internet is too fast [11:51] AlanBell: Did you pick up that you can register for menshn now [11:56] can i ask someone a favour, please. do anyone have mumble installed? [11:56] brobostigon: yup [11:56] yup [11:56] AlanBell: can you conenct to mine.taylorworld.me.uk fine. port 64738. [12:01] :( [12:01] whats wrong? [12:02] that works [12:02] :) [12:04] AlanBell: could i be heard, ok? [12:04] I was talking to your friend, but I just got a phone call so dropped out [12:05] ah. [12:06] i connected and spoke to someone then disconnected [12:06] ok, thank you popey [13:17] AlanBell: http://aggbot.com/Technology-News/article/17166802 Re Mensch [13:17] yeah, I read that earlier and had a look at the site [13:19] it is a fairly bespoke php application using jquery and a few other libraries [13:20] oh god i finally sounded out the name of that thing... its "Mention" [13:20] with a Louise Mensch vanity twist on it [13:20] wush dawnt weh muke hup awl owr wards? [13:23] Looks like the server has crashed... [13:35] Menshn is horrible..... [13:42] oh dear. I've finally discovered why we don't like mondays. someone's discovered a worm on a production machine, which infects via an 8 year old vulnerability in phpbb. on a machine that shouldn't be running php, let alone phpbb, at all. This is my sad face. [13:44] gord: scottish? [13:44] * mattt plays the sad trombone for shauno [13:45] mattt, no, you could kind of make out what i was saying there, if it were scottish it would just be random letters [13:45] i bet scottish people make excellent random number generators [13:46] oh burn [13:47] what can stop thunderbird checking / attempting to check emails while sending error "connected to server"? [13:48] error => message [14:25] !info flashplugin-nonfree unstable [14:25] flashplugin-nonfree (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin. In component contrib, is optional. Version 1:2.8.3 (unstable), package size 17 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) [14:28] In the same way that setuid and setgid, force inheritance of owner/group, is there any way to force inheritance of rwx attributes? [14:53] AlanBell, is other alan in the office? if so, tell him we were at the dodgsons at the weekend :) [14:53] he isn't in the office, I think he is being daddy taxi driver [14:57] ahh [15:01] we are quite lucky there are really only three active alans around at any given time, else we'd start having to use terms like "the other-other alan" [15:02] gord: coming to the Wolverhampton on Thursday this week? [15:04] bigcalm, nope! but i have a valid excuse other than its already thursday and i forgot this time - laptop K/L keys had a bit of plastic snap in the assembly making them almost useless. can't work on the laptop till replacement keys come in the post [15:04] gord: let you off :) [15:05] Why were you hammering kl? [15:05] i am still jealous of your coworking days :( [15:06] christel: more reason you should move to the West Midlands and join us :) [15:06] i wasn't, i just don't treat my laptops with much care ;) [15:07] though... i am a vim user [15:07] christel: come and work with us for a day [15:07] and a nethack player [15:07] AlanBell: YES! [15:08] gord: that'll do it :) [15:08] bigcalm: the midlands are full of the great unwashed :( [15:08] christel: if it helps, I'll have a shower tonight [15:09] is there a bank holiday anytime soon? [15:10] not before the august bank holidays i assume? [15:10] ok. [15:10] thank you christel [15:10] brobostigon: no, but it's my birthday on Saturday [15:11] bigcalm: :), mine in a months time also. [15:11] Which other people keep reminding me about. I honestly keep forgetting about it [15:11] brobostigon: yay for getting older! [15:11] bigcalm: i will be the great old age of thirty. [15:11] 33 for me [15:11] christel, me too [15:12] have been considering what to do about hackspace, home working etc [15:12] i think I'm going to press on with converting my garage to an office [15:12] bigcalm: ah. [15:12] aw i was hoping you'd go for hackspace office-ing! [15:12] i might do that too [15:12] i have to have a seperate room for an office, tried just using a corner the living room once and it drives you mental [15:12] but I worry that i wont be able to trust the place with my computer kit [15:12] and spend lots of lunches out away from the house too [15:13] yeah, i have a separate room [15:13] popey: we'd want/need lockable office space [15:13] but under pressure to convert that into a kids playroom [15:13] which boots me out to the garage [15:13] which isnt a bad thing [15:14] bigcalm: Oi I hope you don't think I'll be nice to you cause it's your birthday bud :D [15:14] (the question is whether we'd need to then further divide the office space or whether we'd trust other office people i guess) [15:15] one of the properties (the farnham one) in the space search has office space on a separate floor (with lockable doors etc) which i found quite an attractive set-up [15:15] i thought the mytchett place was great, but people seem to not like the price [15:15] davmor2: I didn't know I was going to see you on Saturday [15:15] Ah well [15:15] popey: is that the lindford lane one? [15:16] yes [15:16] bigcalm: no but you are on wednesday and thursday :P [15:16] that and the farnham one are the top 2 for FC and myself (pre-viewing) [15:17] (i'd quite like to go view those two before the next meeting -- so if you, me and alan (wood) can manage to agree on a day early next week maybe we could make an Appointment?) [15:18] sure [15:18] \o/ [15:18] there are more alans [15:18] good lord [15:18] you guys are lucky, i can't even convince the midlanders to go to a better coffee place :P [15:18] czajkowski: yes! yet another with a four letter, one-syllable surname... [15:19] gord: simples move down this way :) [15:19] (one of these days i will change my name to Alan Fake by deedpoll) [15:19] just to fit in like [15:19] deedpoll. :) [15:20] gord: start a hackspace and get some office space with it ;) [15:20] gord: also i found the naysayers became much more positive and receptive after feeding them brownies! [15:21] I'm looking forward to this arriving http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/46227/sky-go-ics-coming-soon [15:27] * daubers considers finishing work for the next two weeks \o/ [15:30] For good? [15:31] Nope, two weeks of holiday [15:31] Oh, for [15:31] \o/ [15:31] Missread it as quitting :) [15:31] heh :) [15:32] Nope, seriosul;y looking forward to holiday after 3 months of buying house/mending house/waiting to see if my brain is eating itself/finding out my brain isn't eating itself/mega stress at work [15:32] czajkowski: Prod! [15:33] Grrr. Why aren't these rewrite rules being followed on the live server? [15:33] Works fine on test [15:33] davmor2: herrro [15:33] bigcalm: because it hate you, hate it back it works for me [15:34] bigcalm: here borrow Mjölnir off me just give the server a tap on the top right hand corner and it should start behaving [15:35] Nerd [15:35] :P [15:36] bigcalm: biggest hammer I could think of :D [15:42] davmor2: Biggest hammer I could think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo [15:44] daubers: haha [15:48] Out of office set, all bzr repos pushed. HOLIDAY TIME!!!! [15:48] WOOOOO [15:51] i want a holiday! [15:51] Aha. The .htaccess file is being ignored. I bet it's because it's using the SSL host [15:51] daubers: have fun :) [16:15] It's 5.15pm. I can't be doing with the rest of the day [16:15] Go to bed then [16:16] The rest of the work day that is [16:16] 7 hours sleep, it'll be tomorrow, a nice early start [16:16] All 45mins of it [16:16] Is it tht bad a day [16:16] * IdleOne authorizes christel's vacation request [16:16] if daubers gets a holiday i want a holiday, its not fair [16:16] bring enough for the entire class [16:17] DJones: na, just feeling lethargic after getting a client's site updated with several months of development [16:17] 45mins and I can then work on a more interesting project [16:17] That strangely requires me to use Unity === psst_ is now known as psst [16:19] hurrah [16:20] Might treat myself to chicken meat and chips [16:20] Mmmm, fatty [16:20] been thinking about playing with the other Unity, might schedule myself a bit of a programmers holiday sometime later in the year and make a fun little game with it [16:20] bigcalm: Oh shut up and play on your new phone ;) [16:20] what i miss from freelancing, can't just decide i'll take this week off to learn something new [16:20] So Unity coming to Unity isn't at all confusing :) [16:21] the other unity is only on Unity 3.5, soon to be 4.0, we are on 5.0, obvs better. [16:22] bigcalm: get it right Unity 4 3d is coming to Unity 5.x sometime soon [16:23] unity does have weird licencing, you can get the pro version for $1500 or the free version which can render the equivilent of glxgears [16:26] gord: do you actually take holidays ? [16:27] i do! but i'm often busy =\ === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:30] czajkowski: no he just codes on non-work related stuff [16:31] i actually have a fun trip to south korea later in the year [16:32] though they have fantastic internet there and its a long flight, so i'll still code things [16:32] hahahahahahaha see [16:42] Sounds like me [16:42] I got away with working on the trip to Northern Ireland. But it was a no-no once we were there [16:52] * popey tickles bigcalm [16:52] * bigcalm hazars! [16:54] bigcalm: so was the SGS3 worth it? [16:55] davmor2: worth it in which sense? [16:55] popey: was that a code or mc tickle? [16:57] bigcalm: the hype, the wait, the features etc etc etc [16:57] Ah [16:58] davmor2: yeah, I'm glad I waited. Despite its size, it's more comfortable to hold than the HTC One X. I rarely listen to hype, went on features and longevity for CyanogenMod use in a year or so. Haven't used every bit of the phone yet, so can't comment on features. Overall I'm quite happy [16:59] bigcalm: you're useless you've had it longer than ten minutes you should of used everything in that time ;) [17:00] Ha [17:02] bigcalm, neither, busy busy right now.. will be coding later though, no minecraft until code is done [17:02] popey: sensible lad! [17:02] I'll do some coding after tea [17:03] Speaking of which, I'm home alone [17:03] Chinese takeaway or chippy? [17:03] thai, if available [17:03] less guilt [17:07] No thai around here that I know of :( [17:09] I'd have to drive to Telford for Thai :( [17:17] mmm thai [17:18] Trying to install Ubuntu on a machine that has intel fakeraid, grub just will not install :( [17:18] even with boot-repair, it still won't install. Any ideas? [17:29] where's all the GRUB experts when you need them :P [17:32] evening all [17:33] AlanBell: afternoonings :p [17:34] don't you just hate it when you sudo halt in the wrong window [17:34]