[08:52] morning all! [09:50] c_smith: hello, are you still here? Could you provide more information about the crash? === teknico_ is now known as teknico === zyga_ is now known as zyga [11:01] good morning! [11:10] brb [11:24] back [12:26] hello all! [12:28] alecu, hi [12:30] alecu, gatox, morning! [12:31] alecu, alecu, I have one more review and all the fsevents changes will be merged! so I'll do revies for gatox and will propose my branch [12:31] mandel, ack [12:31] gatox, how is the change that was driving you crazy? [12:32] mandel, i had some issues, it's already working.... you can see it in the MP [12:32] oh, and my internet is super crap today.. so expect me to disappear every now and then.. [12:38] I'm off to lunch and will be later back from 3g... puto movistar de los huevos! [12:39] ack [12:39] * mandel goes to have lunch cursing.. [12:56] lol === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:10] and it's release day [13:18] mandel, gatox: send reviews my way [13:18] haha [13:18] bug #1017220 is awesome [13:18] alecu, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/darwin2-fsevents/+merge/111427 [13:18] Launchpad bug 1017220 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) "Welcome message displays incorrectly if user has not entered name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017220 [13:18] alecu, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/darwin3-fsevents/+merge/111666 [13:19] alecu, and i'm fixing the test in the last one..... i learn to never say again: "this should be easy" (refactor related) [13:23] gatox: great!. I need to go to the paint shop, because my flat is getting some fixes... and I'll do that review in 15' [13:23] alecu, no problem === zyga is now known as zyga-food [13:50] alecu, gatox, ralsina, dobey I'm off some mins to move to a diff location with better connection [13:50] should just take min 10 mins max [13:50] mandel, ac [13:50] dobey: since we still have not SRUd 3.0.2 and we barely released it on windows, what o you think of skipping a release? [13:52] what do you mean skipping a release? [13:53] dobey: you said it's release day. We barely finished the previous release [13:53] dobey: so, maybe there's no point in doing a new release today [13:54] briancurtin: ping [13:54] ralsina: pong [13:54] briancurtin: my XP VM has decided my windows is fake [13:54] briancurtin: could you check that our latest release works on a clean XP? [13:54] ralsina: checking now [13:54] briancurtin: if not, I will do it after I finish reinstalling [13:54] briancurtin: thanks. By the symptoms described, I think the VS runtime is not being installed :-( [13:56] ralsina: it's packaged side-by-side now (i think that's the right term)...but im getting the VM up right now [13:56] briancurtin: ack [14:06] ralsina: my VM already has the runtime installed and i cant find a way to get it off of there, so i'll need to setup a clean VM to try it [14:07] ralsina: well, unless there's a security update coming out of nowehre tomorrow, i'd prefer to do the release [14:07] briancurtin: ok, I'll do the same thing [14:07] dobey: ok, then [14:07] ralsina: even with no changes, i think there is a point to doing the releases [14:07] and with no changes, the release is really fast anyway :) [14:07] since there's no mucking about with triage and backport branches in that case [14:07] dobey: plus we may get to test the MRE with 3.0.3 instead of 3.0.2 [14:08] today isn't a 3.0.x release day === mandel_ is now known as mandel [14:08] it's 3.99.x [14:08] for quantal [14:08] I'm back! [14:08] hide your children! [14:08] * mandel cannot believe that 3g is faster than the dsl connection [14:09] * ralsina goes to check back the schedule [14:09] dobey: ok, 3.99.x is cool [14:10] we still don't have a schedule for 3.0.x releases [14:13] alecu: btw, the ubuntu-sso-client stable-1-4 tests aren't running on oneiric (because we can't run tests on oneiric because of twisted); all the oneiric stable branches are being merged on natty because of the twisted/python-gobject issues that weren't resolved in oneiric [14:13] brilliant, my *physical* XP CD doesn't work anymore :-/ [14:16] ralsina, alecu, I'll be working on landing the keyring patched on pykeyring trunk f that is ok with you [14:16] gatox, is there anything I have to review? [14:17] mandel, this: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/darwin2-fsevents/+merge/111427 - https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/darwin3-fsevents/+merge/111666 [14:17] gatox, ack === zyga-food is now known as zyga [14:26] gatox, I'd love to see how things were breaking when you added the events as class attrs [14:26] ralsina: doesn't work on XP................. [14:26] briancurtin: could you try if installing the runtime fixes it? [14:27] mandel, is just a comment? or you really want to see it?? because that was on friday..... i didn't save any trace, and i should redo all the code to reproducce that [14:27] briancurtin: if it does, then we can revert the ubuntuone.xml changes, resign the installer and reupload [14:28] gatox, was not just a comment, but I guess I can take a look from here if that is the case (that you do not ave the traces) [14:28] gatox, I think it should be doable without doing any hacky things, I simply want to evaluate the problems, that is all [14:28] mandel, ack [14:28] briancurtin, I added a small needs fixing in one of the py3 branches, I think dobey is correct regarding the order of the imports [14:31] ralsina: 3.0.1 doesn't work either [14:31] briancurtin: whoa [14:31] briancurtin: 3.0.0? ;-) [14:31] 2.99.3? [14:32] or 2.0.3 or whatever it is [14:32] hmm, and 3.0.1 was the last release where we ran vcredist as an installer step [14:32] weird [14:33] briancurtin: indeed [14:33] briancurtin: did installing vcredist fix it? [14:33] briancurtin: because it may be completely something else [14:34] ralsina: i sort of did that in a way by trying 3.0.1 since it installs that and it doesnt work. i'll try 3.0.2 now that 3.0.1 installed vcredist to see what happens [14:34] briancurtin: ack [14:36] happy monday, folks [14:39] meh, alpha freezes still on [14:43] ralsina: its gotta be something else. now that the machine has the redist installed, neither 3.0.1 nor 3.0.2 work [14:43] briancurtin: sigh [14:44] briancurtin: is it the right vcredist? [14:44] briancurtin: what size is it? [14:44] yep [14:44] ralsina: 1779 kb [14:45] ralsina: for vcredist_x86.exe [14:45] briancurtin: ok, let me check something [14:45] ralsina: i just ran a repair install of vcredist and it claims to have worked, but u1cp still doesn't start [14:46] that seems to be the right one AFAICS [14:46] briancurtin: no, that one's too new [14:46] ralsina: that's the same one ive been packaging all along [14:46] we need the 1.1MB vcredist_x86.exe [14:47] briancurtin: yeah, it's the same one I have uploaded [14:47] briancurtin: but it's not the one my notes say [14:47] briancurtin: and I have no idea why, either [14:48] ralsina: i just looked back and 3.0.0 was created with the 1779kb vcredist. it looks like i deleted the 3.0.1 folders [14:49] i dont have any 2.x installer folders around if i ever created them, but i only seem to have downloaded that 1779kb vcredist_x86.exe one time and used it everywhere [14:49] briancurtin: I don't have any copies of the smaller one, either [14:49] i'll try to find this 1.1mb version [14:49] briancurtin: however, I even blogged about it http://lateral.netmanagers.com.ar/weblog/posts/BB955.html [14:50] briancurtin: and I specifically say "get the 1.1MB one" [14:50] * ralsina hates ralsina sometimes [14:52] mmcc, I did an update for: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/less-error-prone/+merge/111000 [14:52] gatox, if you can take a look at that one ^ I would appreciate it :) [14:53] briancurtin: latest version is 4.8MB too [14:53] cool mandel, thanks, I'll go look [14:53] mandel, sure [14:53] cheers [14:54] ralsina: i found the SP1 version at 4.0mb [14:54] briancurtin: the 2005 version is 2.6MB [14:54] and the 2.8 is 1.7 which is probably the one we have [14:54] 2008 [14:54] ralsina: we would need 2008 [14:55] briancurtin: let's try the 4MB one then [14:57] briancurtin: the 2.99.1 build was done with the 1.8MB one, too [14:57] briancurtin: so it may be something else entirely [14:59] briancurtin, mandel, dobey, alecu,gatox, thisfred, mmcc: stanup in 2' [14:59] ack [14:59] sí jefe [14:59] mandel, +1 [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:01] me [15:01] alecu, mandel? [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] DONE: [15:01] Couple of reviews, submit some branches for review (and add some corrections), working on the last branch. [15:01] TODO: [15:01] Finish fixing the broken tests in the last branch and propose [15:01] BLOCKED: [15:01] No [15:01] thisfred, go [15:02] DONE: Bug #999569 Bug #999562 TODO Bug #999562 | Dentist apt. at 4 (now +5 hours), will work a little longer to make up for it BLOCKED: no, NEXT: briancurtin [15:02] Launchpad bug 999569 in U1DB "invalid json errors. ensure its a json object" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999569 [15:02] Launchpad bug 999562 in U1DB "retry logic on 503 " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999562 [15:02] DONE: python3 research/organization, also got antsy and started doing easy ports after looking at the 2to3 diff [15:02] TODO: find out whatever happened to XP releases, fix that [15:02] BLOCKED: XP sucks [15:02] NOTE: i have a PSF board meeting in 1 hour, should last for around 30 minutes [15:02] NEXT: mmcc [15:02] DONE: WWDC videos & 10.7/8 docs, uncovered some interesting FSEvents changes in Lion [15:02] TODO: chat about FSEvents? more killing imports that install reactors... [15:02] BLOCK: none [15:02] NEXT: ralsina [15:02] DONE: worked a bit more on cmake for u1db, askubuntu, canonicaladmin, misc stuff, worked on setting up a lot of VMs, Q VM failed big time, retrying TODO: finish Q VM, try to help debug windows breakage, finish cmake'ing u1db, BLOCKED: VBox is acting up badly NEXT: dobey [15:02] DONE: reviews [15:02] TODO: release day [15:02] BLCK: None. [15:02] alecu [15:03] DONE: a few reviews, a fix for bug #1007109, tried to debug (and failed) why this branch won't merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/use-pycurl-1-4/+merge/110636 [15:03] TODO: heed dobey's warning re: merge, catch up with py3k with brian, do more mac reviews [15:03] BLOCKED: by non-merging branch [15:03] NEXT: mandel [15:03] Error: Launchpad bug 1007109 could not be found [15:03] DONE: reviews, reviews, reviews. Look at the state of pykeyring, not happy. Update fsevents last branch (we stay with sbjson mmcc :) ) [15:03] TODO: more reviews. What to do with pykeyring. [15:03] BLOCKED: no yet stupid ISP left me with no internet at the office. [15:03] briancurtin: it may be that we are doing it now with a new python build and the runtime is not compatible? [15:04] mmcc, superb, thx! [15:04] briancurtin: OTOH, in the machine where you have the runtime it works, which makes it more confusing to me [15:04] mmcc, we are very very close to get a sd running with no problems on mac :) [15:04] ralsina: the only place it seems to work for me is 7 [15:04] briancurtin: ok [15:05] mmcc: "uncovered some interesting FSEvents changes in Lion" ???? tell us more! [15:05] ralsina: we build the exes with a stock python 2.7 which is built with VS2008. trying the bigger/newer vcredist now [15:05] briancurtin: ack [15:05] alecu: the short version, since Lion, FSEvents can give you per-file events. They just didn't really tell anyone [15:06] I was watching the video for "what's new in the filesystem" at WWDC2012, and the guy mentioned it off-hand [15:06] those are the best kind of changes. "here's something people want...*fixes it, doesn't document it*" [15:06] so I dig around, and it's listed in the API changes, but not documented [15:06] mmcc: is that on 10.8? [15:06] mmcc: WTF [15:06] 10.7 [15:06] lovely [15:06] ralsina: I KNOW [15:07] * ralsina goes check if his computers makes waffles and they just forgot to mention it [15:07] gatox: now we'll have to contribute fixes for macfsevents to do that [15:07] the kicker is that they may still coalesce events in some cases. I'm digging up the little snippet of docs I found about that [15:07] but hey, good news :-) [15:07] ralsina, mmcc, alecu so all the work we did is just for 10.6? [15:07] I want to run a test once I get my new system with 10.7 (a couple days) - how often do they coalesce events? [15:07] ralsina: 2008 SP1 redist doesn't help...it has to be something else [15:07] alecu, it seems [15:08] briancurtin: ok [15:08] or it doesnt have to, but this seems too weird [15:08] mandel, maybe - if they coalesce events often, it might still have a lot of overhead to use fsevents [15:08] ralsina: btw: what was the problem with the Q vm? [15:08] alecu: it doesn't freaking boot after install [15:08] ralsina: is that OpenGL/unity related? [15:08] alecu: also, install took 3.5 hours [15:09] alecu: what I get for using a daily ISO [15:09] mmcc, hm.. well, if it is the case (that we did it for nothing) we deserve it for using a not documented api [15:09] ralsina: did you try the alpha 1 as well? [15:09] alecu: I am downloading it, 80% done [15:10] * briancurtin brb [15:11] mandel heh, the new API is also not documented... :p [15:11] mmcc, lol [15:12] so it's in the auto-generated header documentation but not the written guide to using fsevents. Here's the headerdoc: http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/FSEvents_Ref/FSEvents_h/index.html#//apple_ref/c/econst/kFSEventStreamCreateFlagFileEvents [15:12] dobey, pyflakes and python-mocker are not installed when doing sudo apt-get build-deps ubuntuone-client, is that a bug? [15:13] not installed where? [15:13] mmcc: that feels just like linux. Really. [15:13] dobey, in P [15:14] mandel: no, it's not a bug really. you don't have ppa:ubuntuone/nightlies added i guess [15:14] ralsina: except with linux at least we could've looked at the source. I'm quite fond of looking at the source... [15:14] used to do that with opensolaris a lot, handy. [15:14] yeah [15:14] dobey, oh.. that could be the reason, is a new set up [15:14] that's it then [15:14] I think I will go have some coffee. [15:15] so that fsevents header comment doesn't mention coalescing. I know I saw it, but my browser session died. looking through history now [15:16] need to get lunch. bbiab [15:17] ah, ok - it's just down the page - the flag kFSEventStreamEventFlagMustScanSubDirs tells you that you get a dir path and you have to scan it and every subdir below it [15:17] so if that happens a lot, it's not much better than old FSEvents [15:19] mmcc, they must have something for icloud to deal with this, right? [15:26] gatox, the only issue I see with the fact that the events are not class attrs is that we will have an interesting problem getting your work and my work together. I use diff values comming from the daemon [15:26] * briancurtin back [15:26] gatox, and we will not know which implementation will work until we try to connect to the daemon and get an error [15:27] mandel, maybe i was doing something wrong... my brain wasn't in his best shape [15:27] gatox, not to worry, I can take care of that :) [15:27] gatox, your brain I mean, you do the code! [15:27] heheh [15:28] jajajaa [15:29] * gatox lunch === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:30] mandel, just saw your note - what do you mean about icloud? I don't think it necessarily uses fsevents [15:30] mmcc, can I have the +1 for https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/less-error-prone/+merge/111872 I had to remove the prerequisite and it remove your vote.. stupid lp [15:31] spotlight does, and time machine does, but icloud support seems to be built in to the frameworks, above the filesystem [15:31] mandel ok, just a sec [15:31] mmcc, they most know some how what files changed.. well to be hones I have never used icloud [15:31] mandel - icloud isn't a file sync service. think of it as being designed for the iphone first, where there is no user-visible file system [15:32] mmcc, ah.. so we are not in the same boat, right> [15:32] ? [15:32] * mandel has new keyboard.. [15:32] right, u1 and icloud have different goals [15:32] very different technically, perhaps less different to the user, depending on what kind of user [15:35] actually i think u1db and icloud potentially have more in common, although icloud is much bigger - they have a key-value store as one part of it, but there's also document-level stores and a core-data store, which is pretty interesting [15:36] ralsina: ubuntuone nautilus plugin does not work properly for file publishing - the flaw is in libsyncdaemon and plugin (anybody actually depends on libsyncdaemon?) - any plans to make it work? [15:36] rye: libsyncdaemon is used only for that plugin AFAIK [15:37] rye: have the bug # handy? [15:38] mmcc, we had a key-value store using couch, we will have a new one soon :) [15:39] ralsina: bug #753319 and bug #975989 [15:39] Launchpad bug 753319 in Ubuntu One Client "nautilus plugin requests public file list for every file in current UDF/Ubuntu One dir" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753319 [15:39] Launchpad bug 975989 in Ubuntu One Client "[precise] PublicAccessChanged is not sent on unpublishing - TypeError: Expected a string or unicode object" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975989 [15:39] mandel are you referring to u1db or something else I'm not aware of? [15:39] mmcc, yes, u1db, we used to have desktop-couch but that did not work well :( [15:39] rye: k, I will try to take a look myself this week, and if I can't fix it, I'll try to see if dobey has any time for it next week [15:40] rye: 975989 looks easier [15:40] mandel right, I knew about that project before and I've seen some old discussion about it around... nice idea, bummer it was so painful [15:40] mmcc, yep [15:41] ralsina: yes [15:42] gatox_lunch, ignore the diff size of https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/less-error-prone/+merge/111872 it seems that readding sbjson has made bzr get very very confused [15:44] facundobatista, quick question, if I set a file to be chmod u-w and then I ty to sync it, what should it happen? atm I think we fail due to the rights [15:49] gatox_lunch, there seems to be a merge issue in the other branch, set it to needs fixing [15:50] mandel, ack [15:51] where's sil? [15:59] nigelb: in a meeting, away from his laptop [15:59] thisfred: ouch, he has a classroom session starting now-ish [16:00] nigelb: I forwarded the message best I could [16:00] thisfred: thanks, I think he may have rescheduled just now. [16:00] ah [16:02] thisfred: apparently not. the rescheduled list doesn't ahve him [16:02] He's coming in I guess :) [16:02] thisfred: thanks a bunch! [16:03] np :) [16:06] yay aquarius! [16:07] mhall119, ping [16:07] I didn't think I was doing this session :( [16:08] aquarius: can you? even if it's just an overview of the REST apis? [16:08] mhall119, what do I have to do? I haven't prepped, but I can wing it [16:08] do I need to start now? [16:08] * briancurtin afk for a short bit, PSF board meeting call [16:08] aquarius: I'll start a hangout and invite you to it, then you just chat and screenshare [16:09] aquarius: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/dcb85bf832b154aef74b1e5c5ac26057071f4d10?authuser=0&hl=en [16:11] mandel, we fail to sync it because we can not *write*? [16:11] facundobatista, I wonder, can we not try to set the rights to rw like we do in the read only shares? [16:12] facundobatista, or I think we should have a way to tell the user about it, that is, wrong rights and it wont be updated, do we have something like that? [16:18] i haven't had time to move it yet, but i was planning to rewrite/move libsyncdaemon into libubuntuone this cycle [16:18] rye, ralsina: ^^ [16:19] of course, that doesn't really help existing installs [16:19] dobey: we should try to find a way to make it happen or fix the bugs. I suspect fixing *all* the bugs is more expensive :-/ [16:23] right. and i don't see any way to fix all the bugs without the rewrite anyway [16:24] ok [16:24] but this would only help us in Q [16:25] unless we do something very difficult about P [16:25] right [16:25] and we are to support P for 5 years [16:25] we need to do that very difficult thing for P at some point anyway I think [16:26] supporting 3.0.x for 5 years is not going to be fun [16:26] just like supporting 1.2.x for 3 years isn't fun [16:27] so let's aim for it [16:27] dobey: a firefox-style SRU [16:28] well, we are working toward it. [16:28] dobey: agree with you re: rewriting. [16:28] exactly [16:28] so, we should rewrite and after Q release try to get it back into P [16:28] yep [16:29] there are some things that need to happen for that still === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:29] and i have already started doing some of it; trying to get the test suites running during build in Q, and having the necessary bits to build some of the packages all the way back to lucid [16:30] mandel, ping [16:30] rye: so, basically, short term I will try to get a fix for the easy one, the fix for the one that causes bad performance/hangs will probably not happen [16:30] gatox, pong [16:30] there are a couple of problems with lucid not having things we need now, and such. but we're doing a good start [16:30] mandel, did you fix the conflicts you mention here_: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/less-error-prone/+merge/111000 ? [16:30] i'll look more after i get the releases done today [16:30] dobey: things that take longer than 6 months are starting to not affect lucid much [16:31] yeah i'm not sure how many users we still have on lucid [16:31] probably not many :( [16:31] gatox, yes, there should be no merge conflits, is just that it was build on top of a previous branch that was removed and that is why the diff is huge [16:31] mandel, ack [16:32] natty is a bit bigger of a problem, but it's also going to be EOL come October anyway [16:33] dobey: exactly [16:34] so maybe i can do some hacking to get 3.0.x built on lucid in the stable PPA, and we just tell people to use that, who are on lucid [16:34] dobey: +1 [16:34] lucid +ppa sounds like a good idea [16:34] mandel, +1 [16:34] gatox, superb! thx! [16:35] i'll poke at that after i get the releases done today [16:35] which i can hopefully actually get done today, as i don't have 50 surprises coming at me this week :) [16:35] gatox, can I have the +1 here, that MP is superseeded: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/less-error-prone/+merge/111872 === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [16:39] mandel, done [16:39] gatox, gracias [16:40] alecu, can I have a re-review for https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/better-encoding/+merge/111580 [16:41] mandel: sure. I'll have lunch and work on that. [16:45] matiasb: the code in lp:~matiasb/ubuntuone-servers/accepting-tos-before-accepting-share - does that mean we'll be able to set up storage for accounts that for some reason don't have one like the lucky ones after the shard went live on 22nd? [16:48] rye: that code would allow to create the root volume for a user that already have a storage user, taking the info from that storage user; this should allow to fix users without root volume related to the accepting share before TOS bug === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [16:58] thanks aquarius, that went well [16:59] mhall119, cheers, pal! [17:03] Announcement from my owner (jussi): #ubuntu-discuss can-voices [17:05] aquarius: according to the ubuntu one session right now. i have implemented a "flat sync" for thunderbird contacts in dropbox. with u1db i think it's very easy to port that to ubuntu one as well. anyting special i should have to keep in mind? [17:06] flat sync -> means i don't care in witch address book the contact is, i simply sync all of them [17:19] matiasb: re: people w/o userstorage (2221970..2222049) - i am filing a bug, right? [17:29] rye: yes, please === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [17:32] ok, EOD here, laters!" [17:32] mandel, bye!! [17:52] * mmcc is headed for some BBQ [17:54] * gatox finally understand the logic behind this method [17:54] now is time to fix it [18:40] gatox: you've left me wondering... which is the method that you've understood the logic? [18:41] alecu, jejeej it was a really silly thing...... but i was lost with the tests [18:41] let me remember [18:41] gatox: no prob :-) [18:41] gatox: don't worry! [18:42] alecu, i don't recall exactly, but was something checking that we are ignoring the proper path, and catching the events from another one....... the test was failing weird so i was a little confuse [18:42] and i'm kind of drained this days :P waiting for pycamp! [18:42] these days [18:46] ralsina: heh, too many channels [18:46] guys, i am trying to install ubuntuone on xubuntu. however after installing ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk when i go settings > ubuntu one control panel - the application is crashing .. any idea from where to start fixing please? [18:47] ralsina: on the qa call just a minute ago we were discussing windows automated testing...we want to run automated tests against each of the major win platforms, which we don't currently do...there were 2 things that came out of that discussion: [18:47] ralsina: 1) we really need bug #984964 fixed to get testability running on windows [18:47] Launchpad bug 984964 in Ubuntu Single Sign On Client trunk "SSO is not started with the -testability argument" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984964 [18:48] joshuahoover: agreed on 1) [18:49] ralsina: 2) we need a basic validation that the install is good (considering bug 1017019)...we can do this but rmcbride mentioned that maybe there is a way to do this kind of validation as part of the installer build process (automated)? [18:49] Launchpad bug 1017019 in Ubuntu One Client "3.0.2 not run on XP" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017019 [18:49] joshuahoover: running u1sdtool --help should be enough for that one [18:50] joshuahoover: in fact, I am in the process of trying progressively older versions on a clean XP VM until I found when it started failing [18:51] joshuahoover: to get testability going is going to require once again that we drop everything and figure it out entirely on our own with zero documentation [18:51] briancurtin: that sounds delightful...sigh [18:52] joshuahoover, briancurtin: in fact, I am not even sure if anyone ever got it working on windows :-/ [18:52] i know we need to have it, and i want it to work, but its painful and even after however many days i spent on it, even the example Qt project didn't work [18:52] briancurtin: is the issue w/ testability on windows specifically? or testability in general (re: no docs/help)? [18:52] ralsina: i've read that people "got it working" but it's all message board posts or mailing list posts where they ask a question, then they just figure it out on their own, then just say "oh it works now" [18:53] briancurtin: damn them ;-) [18:53] briancurtin: right, i hear you... elopio and rmcbride have looked at various frameworks over the months and they all have significant drawbacks :( [18:53] love that, "oh it works now"...very helpful insight people provide with follow ups like that [18:53] specially since they have this one working on ubuntu [18:54] well, given that the top google result in the last year is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1008583 ... [18:54] Ubuntu bug 1008583 in Ubuntu One Windows Installer "UbuntuOne doesn't work with qt testability on Windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:54] I'm guessing having it work isn't common [18:54] joshuahoover: the problems i faced were that getting testability built in the first place, but it ends up being pretty easy. then associating it with the Qt install isn't too hard. actually getting it to do anything productive was the part i got stuck on. running the sample Qt calculator app that is supposed to support testability didn't work no matter what i tried [18:55] rather, it worked, but all it did was add numbers...it wouldn't associate with the testability visualizer [18:55] heh, right, got ya [18:57] alecu, another one for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/darwin4-fsevents/+merge/111914 [18:57] this is the last one [18:58] elopio: as much as it pains me, maybe we need to look at alternative frameworks again for automation? or at least start looking at other alternatives for windows? at least something to give us an idea of what some options are - spending time on (possibly) getting testability working on windows, or porting all tests to a different framework that works across windows, mac and ubuntu (in that order)...or maybe there is nothing that me [19:04] joshuahoover, elopio: lots of people recommend squish but it's quite expensive [19:04] apparently LDTP has a windows version [19:05] as of April of this year Naggapan got permission from VMware to open source it. FWIW. I haven't done anythign with it [19:05] briancurtin: can you point me to any notes on what you tried with testability? [19:06] briancurtin: and/or a tarball of your most successful attempt :-) [19:06] ralsina: i don't have any written up, i can write something quick and zip up what's there [19:06] briancurtin: cool [19:13] elopio: joshuahoover: ralsina: FWIW LDTP is not only available for windows now, it's going to be available for Mac "real soon now" https://github.com/nagappan/pyatom/commits/master [19:13] rmcbride: hmmm [19:14] I haven't looked at it on Ubuntu in a while, since we were looking for something cross=platforma nd I assumed it would not be [19:14] http://ldtp-soc.blogspot.com/2012/04/announce-windows-version-of-ldtp-gui.html [19:16] does qt work with it yet? [19:17] dobey: not at all certain, Jamie gave me a couple links referring to it. I'll ask rather than read [19:18] dobey: actually it does [19:18] dobey: forgot that was about the second thing he said to me when I asked about cross platform tools [19:19] hmm, ok [19:20] kazade: aloha [19:20] kazade: aq isnt here atm [19:20] hey czajkowski [19:20] yeah, I'll just hang around :) [19:21] how's things with you? [19:21] kazade: good thanks enjoying the tweeting conversation [19:21] :) [19:23] kazade: others in here might be able to help in the mean time until aq arrives [19:24] czajkowski: it's OK, I think I got enough info over Twitter for now [19:24]