[03:31] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, sounds good
[06:35] <hobgoblin> astraljava: hope this is what you were expecting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Short/HardwareProfile
[06:41] <hobgoblin> crap :(
[06:46] <hobgoblin> astraljava: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/HardwareProfile 
[06:53] <astraljava> hobgoblin: Sweet, looks alright to me. Thanks!
[06:53] <hobgoblin> just got to get them to delete the wrong one :(
[06:54] <hobgoblin> but cool - glad to help :)
[09:22] <ochosi> hi everyone
[09:22] <ochosi> what did i miss over the weekend? :)
[09:30] <hobgoblin> hi ochosi 
[09:32] <ochosi> hi hobgoblin 
[09:55] <knome> so,
[09:55] <knome> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ase3mbY6LZYodEtyOC03U0MxNnFYbUpKdlFkU3FHRlE
[09:55] <knome> i gathered a spreadsheet of all the submissions to the ML about gmb so far
[09:56] <knome> (don't worry, it's not giving out any personal info the people haven't sent to the ml theirself!)
[09:56] <ochosi> hey knome 
[09:56] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:56] <knome> ochosi, so can you confirm you can play streams and podcasts with gmb?
[09:57] <ochosi> knome: i can confirm that gmb doesn't have that feature (yet) :)
[09:57] <knome> oh.
[09:57] <knome> why did i think it had.
[09:58] <ochosi> btw, announcement: i'll be away for all of august and probably ~half of july
[09:58] <knome> ffft
[09:59] <ochosi> "sometimes loses library on exit" > crash. we should ask for more info (although there have been many bugfixes between 12.04 version and git now)
[09:59] <hobgoblin> knome: most of those feedbacks are basically - how do you use it ... 
[09:59] <knome> hobgoblin, not really.
[09:59] <ochosi> hobgoblin: excuse me, but "most"?
[09:59] <knome> hobgoblin, a few
[10:00] <hobgoblin> well the ones about having issues I meant :)
[10:00] <hobgoblin> obviosuly the 'it's great' ones aren't :)
[10:00] <knome> yes... but there are only a few of them too.
[10:00] <ochosi> not even then it's most, half of them are about missing features (ipod,ubuntu-one,media-keys)
[10:01] <hobgoblin> knome yep 
[10:01] <knome> and tbh, those who i've marked "no experience" are useless
[10:01] <ochosi> anyway, i see a lot of trouble with gtk3.6 on the horizon, that's why i wanted to announce i'll be away
[10:01] <knome> and you can't really count them
[10:01] <knome> because how do you know if it would have been okay for them if they just uninstall it?
[10:01] <hobgoblin> I agree
[10:01] <ochosi> we might have to push greybird-updates late in september as sru's or something
[10:02] <knome> (i haven't marked those who said they tried it)
[10:02] <knome> just the ones purging right away
[10:02] <ochosi> also those that say they don't need a player with library-support are kinda useless
[10:02] <hobgoblin> lol
[10:02] <ochosi> because we said we want that (otherwise you can keep using parole)
[10:02] <knome> is that's one of our requirements, yes
[10:03] <knome> *if
[10:03] <ochosi> i can send that link to upstream
[10:03] <ochosi> upstream-gmb i mean
[10:03] <knome> maybe later
[10:03] <knome> i think we still have feedback coming
[10:03] <ochosi> ok
[10:04] <knome> and this is just condensed stuff anyway
[10:04] <ochosi> yeah, but the condensed stuff is good
[10:04] <knome> heh, yeah
[10:04] <knome> any ideas how to improve that spreadsheet?
[10:05] <knome> should we try to do some formatting for those who aren't useful or so?
[10:05] <ochosi> i think sorting them somehow would make sense
[10:05] <knome> well, they're sorted chronologically now
[10:05] <ochosi> sort them by "do you use gmb?"
[10:06] <knome> which made most sense when creating the list ;)
[10:06] <ochosi> and then put those that have "no xp with gmb" down at the bottom
[10:06] <knome> and still does, if we maintain that
[10:06] <ochosi> to some extent, but in the final evaluation, the time is a useless parameter imo
[10:06] <knome> sure :P
[10:06] <ochosi> s/time/time of submission/
[10:07] <hobgoblin> I'd say there were 3 categories - never used it/tried it/used it 
[10:07] <hobgoblin> any more sorting out will not be of much use I'd have thought - too many other variables
[10:07] <ochosi> some color-coding might help as well
[10:09] <knome> see sheet2
[10:10] <hobgoblin> that makes more sense
[10:21] <ochosi> knome: yeah, much better
[10:23] <ochosi> knome: if you share it with me, i can create another sheet for "missing features"
[10:23] <knome> ochosi, sure
[10:24] <knome> ochosi, sent to simon@sp
[10:25] <ochosi> ty
[10:26] <ochosi> seems like i still can't edit
[10:27] <ochosi> oh wait, i guess i'm signed in with my other google-account
[10:27] <ochosi> meh, mind to share it with s.s@gmail.com?
[10:27] <knome> just tell me what that was again and i can add that too :P
[10:27] <knome> ok
[10:27] <knome> beiss?
[10:27] <ochosi> otherwise i have to logout/login all the time
[10:27] <ochosi> yup
[10:27] <knome> added and rm'd @sp
[10:28] <knome> not that it matters...
[10:28] <ochosi> mhm
[11:11] <ochosi> knome: .wav support? afaik gmb supports .wav fine (and what player wouldn't)
[11:11] <knome> i thought the same. but i'm not the one sending that message...
[11:11] <ochosi> yes i know, i just wanted to know whether there was more info in the email that would make it clearer
[11:12] <knome> ochosi, look for the poster name, then find that from the -users archive
[11:12] <knome> ochosi, that's why i posted the names
[11:14] <ochosi> ok, compiled a shortlist of features
[11:14] <ochosi> unfortunately many of them are known (at least by me)
[11:14] <knome> mmh.
[11:14] <ochosi> and i guess they won't get the quick and simple implementation
[11:14] <knome> otoh, good that there isn't lots of bugs we don't know about
[11:14] <ochosi> yup
[11:15] <ochosi> definitely
[11:15] <ochosi> it's actually comforting to see that the quest for feedback didn't just return a shirtstorm :)
[11:15] <knome> ;)
[11:15] <ochosi> (usually only annoyed users care enough to send something)
[11:15] <knome> agreed
[11:15] <knome> though there was some really useless posts
[11:15] <knome> "oh well i use vlc IT'S THE BESSSTTT"
[11:16] <ochosi> ubuntu-one support won't come upstream, we'd have to do that ourselves
[11:16] <knome> ...
[11:57] <ochosi> knome: greybird-tabs-update: http://imagebin.org/217745
[11:58] <ochosi> i also like these tab colors btw, what do you think? http://dribbble.com/shots/615066-Tabs
[12:00] <knome> hmmh.
[12:01] <knome> make the inactive tabs a bit lighter
[12:01] <ochosi> you mean the bg?
[12:01] <knome> i like the latter colors, but you are not quite there with the "new" variant
[12:01] <knome> yes
[12:01] <ochosi> i know i'm not, that was just something i stumbled upon after updating the tab-style
[12:01] <ochosi> but yeah, i'll make them a bit lighter
[12:02] <knome> :)
[12:02] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-06252012-020224pm.php
[12:03] <ochosi> our general bg color is a bit darker, so all the tab-bg is also a bit darker
[12:04] <ochosi> or at least if we want tab-content to be brighter, i'd have to tweak all possible sub-items of tabs
[12:05] <ochosi> anyway, off for lunch
[12:07] <knome> bon appetit
[13:09] <pjotr> Hello, I have a problem with spontaneous window movement in Xubuntu 12.04. Probably a bug.
[13:10] <pjotr> Steps to reproduce:
[13:10] <pjotr> - Start Mahjongg
[13:10] <pjotr> - make the window somewhat bigger (don't maximize it)
[13:10] <pjotr> - click anywhere on the grey task bar of Mahjongg
[13:10] <pjotr> - click on the dark blue background in Mahjongg
[13:10] <pjotr> In more than 25 % of the cases, this causes spontaneous weird window movements: the Mahjongg window almost entirely disappears in the lower right corner of my display, or is being dragged by mouse movements.
[13:10] <pjotr> From other people I've heard similar reports about Gedit and Disk Utility, so it's not Mahjongg-related. The strange thing is: no similar problems in applications like Firefox and LibreOffice.
[13:10] <pjotr> I have two questions:1. Can I work around this bug? 2. Against which package should I file this bug on Launchpad?
[13:31] <ochosi> pjotr: there is already a bugreport
[13:31] <ochosi> and i'm aware of it, it's gtk3 specific
[13:32] <pjotr> ochosi: Thanks. Can I work around it somehow (hacking some settings file)?
[15:14] <bluesabre_> ochosi: That particular bug is particularly annoying with multiple monitors (at least with NVIDIA drivers).
[15:23] <ochosi> bluesabre_: yeah, i tried deactivating window-move on menubar-grab in gtk3, i don't think it really fixed the issue
[15:29] <ochosi> astraljava: ping
[15:29] <ochosi> madnick: ping
[16:58] <madnick> ochosi: pong
[17:09] <ochosi> madnick: hey! just wanted to ask you how it's going and whether friday is still a realistic goal
[17:09] <bluesabre_> Not sure if the default audio player is still on the table, but the latest audacious alpha is quite nice and simplistic.  http://imagebin.org/217771
[17:10] <bluesabre_> (and the Sound Menu artwork actually works
[17:10] <bluesabre_> )
[17:10] <madnick> ochosi: i'd say its realistic, if i run into some major problem ill come back to you :P
[17:11] <ochosi> madnick: ok, good. just wanted to check in cause i'm back :)
[17:11] <ochosi> bluesabre_: haven't really tried audacious in a while, does it have library management?
[17:11] <bluesabre_> Sure does.
[17:12] <hobgoblin> does it?
[17:12] <ochosi> just asking cause it looks very playlist-based to me on that screenshot
[17:12] <bluesabre_> Well, its basic
[17:13] <bluesabre_> Not as featured as gmb
[17:13] <hobgoblin> there is a library plugin - but I've got a bug on that - crashes with my library
[17:13] <ochosi> mhm
[17:13] <Sysi> as default app, I'd consider simplicity over features, music player vs. music library manager
[17:13] <bluesabre_> It worked for me, just clicking on that search button lets you set your library
[17:14] <ochosi> Sysi: the basic argument "pro library" was that if we just want a simplistic player we already have parole for that
[17:14] <bluesabre_> http://imagebin.org/217772 (at bottom of side panel)
[17:15] <ochosi> btw, the arrangement of buttons in the toolbar is somewhat weird
[17:15] <ochosi> play,stop,prev,next ??
[17:16] <bluesabre_> I agree.  I think I might offer some suggestions since its still in alpha
[17:16] <ochosi> are you in touch with the devs?
[17:17] <bluesabre_> Nope, not yet
[17:17] <bluesabre_> :D
[17:17] <bluesabre_> It has a PPA, so I thought I'd play with it
[17:17] <ochosi> ok, first check how open they are :)
[17:17] <Sysi> ochosi: having neither playlist or any kind of library is more lacky than simple
[17:17] <ochosi> Sysi: parole has playlist-support
[17:17] <bluesabre_> Everyone's not as open as the xubuntu-devel folks?  :O
[17:17] <ochosi> (basic one at least)
[17:17] <hobgoblin> bluesabre_: how big a music library is it searching? just for my sanity
[17:18] <Sysi> ochosi: queue-like or library-like
[17:18] <bluesabre_> 3 GB.  Somebody with a more impressive library might want to look into it
[17:18] <hobgoblin> I did ... :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/932574
[17:19] <bluesabre_> lol
[17:19] <ochosi> Sysi: well you can drag stuff into the sidebar and it'll play it in that order (parole)
[17:19] <Sysi> ochosi: but it's not saved when you close the app?
[17:19] <hobgoblin> ochosi: I use parole if I'm after something quickly 
[17:20] <ochosi> Sysi: it's a bit like winamp, it just doesn't remember your last playlist/state. you can open/save playlists in m3u format
[17:21] <Sysi> well, audacious is exatly like winamp :P
[17:22] <Sysi> I kinda like idea of unified media player now that I use vlc for music too, I wonder if there would be suitable frontend for mplayer, if we can include that to installation cd
[17:23] <ochosi> Sysi: you can use mplayer as backend for gmusicbrowser ;)
[17:24] <ochosi> (instead of gstreamer, which is currently the default because parole uses it as well)
[17:24] <Sysi> (no, I don't like parole, bad support for subtitles)
[17:25] <hobgoblin> bluesabre_: and it crashed again :)
[17:25] <bluesabre_> Well, I guess that's out of the question for now then :)
[17:25] <Sysi> gmb netbook could be really simple if shuffle was disabled by default, though so could shimmer desktop
[17:26] <Sysi> how can disabling shuffle been made so difficult.. or I'm just really dumb when I failed to do it
[17:26] <ochosi> Sysi: the shuffle-issue really strikes me, i'm a bit surprised by that. but i think we can easily change that with a new default setting
[17:27] <ochosi> s/i think/i hope/ :)
[17:27] <Sysi> I'll install GMB and try again
[17:28] <ochosi> remove your .config/gmusicbrowser folder before you reinstall
[17:28] <ochosi> or purge it
[17:28] <ochosi> just to be sure you start with new settings
[17:28] <ochosi> would be good to know what the shuffle-problem is exactly
[17:28] <Sysi> yeah, did that
[17:32] <Sysi> sauna break, real testing after that ->
[17:34] <Sysi> first problem was that I couldn't see any music after adding it to library, I had to change to Simple list view and select "All genres" to see my library in songtree view too
[17:45] <pleia2> yay, fix to bug 1016925 seems to have cured the alt installer :)
[17:46] <pleia2> no dailys link in ISO tracker today, how does this all work with alpha2 coming up?
[17:47] <ochosi> hey pleia2 
[17:47] <pleia2> g'day ochosi 
[17:47] <pleia2> should I be submitting look-and-feel bugs, or do we just wait until gtk3 stuff settles?
[17:48] <ochosi> i'd say rather submit it
[17:48] <ochosi> then at least i've seen it all
[17:48] <pleia2> ok :)
[17:49] <ochosi> but it's not improbable that i won't work on them until some things in unico/gtk3 have been fixed
[17:50] <hobgoblin> when alpha2 is there - what do we test it against - the short testcase - long one when it appears?
[17:59] <GridCube> any test is good, the long test is better
[17:59] <Sysi> ochosi: do you want long explanation about how shuffle can be confusing for new user without really giving any advantage as default setting?
[18:00] <hobgoblin> GridCube: cheers
[18:00] <ochosi> Sysi: no, just tell me what "shuffle" exactly means here
[18:01] <Sysi> ochosi: songs are not played in order they are in list, they do that for me when using "Artist,Album,Title,Track"
[18:02] <ochosi> Sysi: in what order are they played?
[18:02] <Sysi> random, as far as I acn tell
[18:03] <ochosi> the problem is: the user can change the sort-order anytime, but the play-order isn't synced with the sort-order
[18:03] <ochosi> which can be really practical
[18:03] <ochosi> so you can re-order your library visually but not change the way it's playing
[18:03] <ochosi> obviously that can be confusing
[18:04] <Sysi> I hardly get idea of that
[18:05] <Sysi> most if any  players don't have those separately at all
[18:05] <ochosi> i know
[18:06] <Sysi> but well, with changing settings the way I did you can use GMB even if you don't know that.. I guess
[18:07] <ochosi> unless the user clicks a column-header
[18:07] <ochosi> but i totally agree with you, i think we should set that sort-order by default
[18:07] <ochosi> just have to figure out how :)
[18:08] <ochosi> the most robust one i know about is actually: folder,album,disc,track,filename
[18:08] <ochosi> that also works (a bit) for stuff with broken/missing tags
[18:09] <Sysi> I'd like to try what happens if I click column header but I'm afraid I can't undo that
[18:11] <Sysi> actually nothing broke, it just fails(shuffles?) if tag's missing
[18:13] <ochosi> thing is:
[18:14] <ochosi> there are a few levels of sorting: there is "grouping" (by default we set it to album)
[18:14] <ochosi> that could theoretically break if you sort by "song-title" (in songtree-view)
[18:14] <ochosi> in songlist view, nothing will break
[18:14] <ochosi> and by break i mean: you have to re-set the sort-order again by right-clicking the column header and setting it to whatever you had before
[18:16] <Sysi> and that depends about play order settings? advanced features always bring advanced usability..
[18:16] <Sysi> how are you supposed to control songtree view, since it's apparently needed to even see your library in default setup? is using search in simple list the only option?
[18:17] <Sysi> I generally find listview nicer/simpler, just as an opinion
[18:17] <ochosi> no wait, not sure what you mean with play order settings there
[18:18] <ochosi> i'll quickly illustrate..
[18:18] <Sysi> rightmost button under album cover
[18:21] <ochosi> both menus shown at the same time (two separate screenshots merged): http://imagebin.org/217779
[18:21] <ochosi> now the settings are in sync
[18:21] <ochosi> so it'll play what you see
[18:24] <Sysi> I think I understand..
[18:25] <ochosi> now, this is what is complex for most users at first: http://imagebin.org/217780
[18:25] <ochosi> after clicking the "title" column-header, everything is seemingly shuffled...
[18:25] <ochosi> (when in fact it isn't, and the player still plays everything in the "normal" order)
[18:26] <Sysi> well, it pretty much just works if you don't touch anything, which is my ubuntu-philosophy
[18:26] <ochosi> hehe
[18:26] <ochosi> that's not such a bad verdict imo
[18:26] <Sysi> we just need good default sorting order
[18:26] <ochosi> agreed
[18:26] <ochosi> we can simply add a default sort-order and create a matching default play-order
[18:27] <ochosi> so that at least ootb, it will be in sync
[18:27] <Sysi> yeah
[18:30] <ochosi> Sysi: would you be willing to test it?
[18:30] <ochosi> (would involve re-purging gmb and installing from ppa)
[18:31] <Sysi> doesn't sound too bad, I have a free week
[18:31] <hobgoblin> I'll play around with it again as well 
[18:31]  * hobgoblin has been following the conversation off and on here
[18:32] <ochosi> Sysi, hobgoblin: ok, thanks, i'll let you know when the ppa is ready
[18:32] <hobgoblin> ok
[18:34] <Sysi> Artist,Album,Title,Track seems to work when sort-order is "click Album column header" too
[18:35] <ochosi> Sysi: what do you mean exactly?
[18:35] <Sysi> playing order is seemingly rational
[18:36] <ochosi> mind to test with "path album disc track file" ?
[18:37] <Sysi> not so good with random files with same artist
[18:37] <ochosi> what about "path artist album disc track file" ?
[18:41] <Sysi> mhm, it just won't work completely properly unless they're same, at least for first sorting items
[18:42] <ochosi> humm, not sure i get it 100%, mind to show me screenshots of your results?
[18:44] <Sysi> if at least first sorting property isn't same, visible sort-order and play-order donät match (like you said already)
[18:55] <ochosi> mhm
[18:56] <Sysi> what's difference of Disk and Album in sortin options?
[18:56] <ochosi> the disc is a different tag
[18:56] <ochosi> an album can e.g. have 2 discs
[18:56] <ochosi> (or even more)
[18:57] <ochosi> currently we're displaying that like this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-06252012-085711pm.php
[18:57] <ochosi> (assuming the tags are set correctly)
[18:58] <Sysi> I don't think I have anything tagged like that, though not sure
[18:59] <ochosi> if you have an album with more than one disc/cd, you can quickly tag it and see :)
[18:59] <ochosi> that's where the treeview is really handy
[19:00] <Sysi> I'm trying to find nice playing+sorting order
[19:06] <ochosi> i have the patch ready for setting a different play-order by default
[19:18] <ochosi> i'll also set gmb to remember the last-playing song by default
[19:18] <ochosi> so you go back to where you left off when you restart it
[19:20] <Sysi> that's nice
[19:21] <ochosi> there is even more stuff we can't potentially switch on by default
[19:22] <ochosi> some people requested "scan/check library" by default on every startup
[19:22] <ochosi> not sure that's so good though
[19:22] <ochosi> it slows down startup...
[19:23] <Sysi> it's easy to enable if you need it
[19:24] <ochosi> yup, i'd say so too
[19:26] <Sysi> you need to add songs to library manually anyway
[19:28] <ochosi> yes, although i also fixed something there recently
[19:28] <ochosi> before it was not added to the watched-folders list, only to the library
[19:28] <ochosi> (if you used our default layout and settings > library > add music)
[19:29] <Sysi> I think I hit that issue when I started
[19:29] <ochosi> yes, it should be fixed in 12.10
[19:29] <ochosi> (and in the ppa)
[19:29] <Sysi> what would you think about using listview as default?
[19:30] <ochosi> i wouldn't mind i think
[19:30] <ochosi> i mean it also seems more fail-proof
[19:30] <ochosi> because there is no group-order that would break when your music isn't tagged correctly
[19:32] <Sysi> yeah, I just couldn't get one song to play when it should, so I just dragged it to where it should be :)
[19:33] <Sysi> you should put some description about gmb:s working mechanismon faq or somewhere, it would help understaning it a lot
[19:33] <ochosi> yes, i agree
[19:33] <ochosi> would you want to help with that?
[19:34] <Sysi> I could try to come up with something, though it's kinds of absurd consept to explain
[19:35] <ochosi> hehe
[19:35] <ochosi> well, don't start with that
[19:35] <ochosi> it shouldn't revolve around this particular issue
[19:35] <ochosi> many people actually seem to do fine with gmb, at least we're not getting much bad feedback from those who use it
[19:35] <Sysi> I'll call it "unique usage features"
[19:36] <ochosi> just the normal step-by-step how to get your music in the player, play it etc
[19:37] <Sysi> right
[19:37] <Sysi> at least I'm now completely sold for GMB :P
[19:37] <ochosi> and then at a later point we can get to the more complex stuff
[19:37] <ochosi> hehe
[19:37] <ochosi> nice
[19:41] <Sysi> what should "Album" tab contain? it's empty for all my songs
[19:45] <ochosi> it should contain all your albums
[19:45] <ochosi> if your songs have albums in their tags
[19:45] <ochosi> but it might depend on a filter
[19:45] <ochosi> can you show me which tab you mean exactly?
[19:46] <Sysi> one between Lyrics and Artist in sidepane
[19:47] <ochosi> oh yes
[19:47] <ochosi> that's also a wrong default setting i just corrected :(
[19:47] <ochosi> go to settings > plugins > albuminfo and activate it
[19:48] <ochosi> it's pretty nice, you can see album-reviews and infos and tag your albums on-the-fly by clicking the genre-labels in the tab
[19:51] <Sysi> I can't see genre for some reason, even if I selected it in plugin settings
[19:52] <ochosi> you might have to restart gmb for some of the settings to apply
[19:52] <ochosi> (i think it says that in one of the tooltips)
[19:53] <Sysi> didn't help, it shows some info but nothing about genre (on various songs)
[19:54] <Sysi> well, I don't really need that anyway
[19:55] <Sysi> gnome-mmkeys plugin isn't working, even if I have gnome-settings-daemon running
[19:56] <ochosi> i'd recommend you to set them through the kb-shortcuts dialog anyway
[19:56] <Sysi> do they work globally that way?
[19:57] <ochosi> yes
[19:57] <ochosi> e.g. "gmusicbrowser -cmd NextSong"
[19:57] <ochosi> "gmusicbrowser -cmd PlayPause"
[19:58] <ochosi> one of my favorites is: "gmusicbrowser -cmd Quit -ifnotrunning nocmd"
[19:58] <ochosi> (that starts gmb if it's not running and quits it when it's running)
[19:58] <ochosi> also nice: "gmusicbrowser -cmd ShowHide"
[19:58] <ochosi> (to minimize to tray and restore)
[20:03] <Sysi> I found -listcmd after some trying
[20:06] <ochosi> yup
[20:06] <ochosi> there are tons of things you can bind to custom keyboard-shortcuts
[20:06] <Sysi> there is tons of everything in gmb
[20:07] <ochosi> true
[20:07] <ochosi> maybe we should set a few default shortcuts for playpause at least and stuff like that
[20:08] <Sysi> shouldn't do any harm
[20:09] <Sysi> volume control could be available somewhere besides equalizer, but that's minor tweaking
[20:10] <ochosi> we decided to use the indicator-sound for that
[20:10] <ochosi> so it's not present in the layout by default
[20:10] <ochosi> you can use the scrollwheel on the trayicon though
[20:11] <Sysi> it could be in settings, though that makes it minor; for when you want just statically change it
[20:11] <ochosi> oh right
[20:11] <ochosi> would be possible to pop up a window that shows volume and equalizer
[20:12] <ochosi> actually it would just be a custom layout :)