[06:13] <qdb> ubuntu s usb creator fixed my problem (could not make quantal flashdrive with unetboootin )
[07:37] <qdb> liveusb worked, in eeepc, correct display size, wifi works. but installed system shows black screen
[08:08] <qdb> liveusb worked, in eeepc, correct display size, wifi works. but installed system shows black screen
[08:16] <qdb> liveusb worked, in eeepc, correct display size, wifi works. but installed system shows black screen. what can i do? i know i can enter recovery mode
[08:17] <astraljava> qdb: You can look into the relevant logs; dmesg, syslog and Xorg.0.log.
[08:17] <qdb> ok thank you
[08:27] <qdb> i will look at them later
[12:58] <BluesKaj> hi all
[13:40] <MrChrisDruif> Why does "Software Updater" need my password just to "check" for updates?
[13:41] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, good afternoon from Holland
[13:42] <Daekdroom> It requires your password just to check for updates the same way apt-get does.
[13:42] <philinux> MrChrisDruif: It doesn't here. It only needs password now if new packages are being installed
[13:43] <BluesKaj> MrChrisDruif, apt-get and the software updater all use the dpkg system to updsate/upgrade and it requires user permission
[13:43] <philinux> BluesKaj: not now since 11.04 I think
[13:44] <philinux> Updater only requests password for new packages
[13:44] <MrChrisDruif> Please bare with me, need to wait for said program to finish before I can check stuff
[13:45] <philinux> MrChrisDruif: you've not changed any default settings have you
[13:45] <BluesKaj> philinux, I've never noticed any permission differences with apt-get in many yrs
[13:45] <MrChrisDruif> I might, but afaik not those for checking for updates
[13:46] <philinux> BluesKaj: not apt-get in terminal update manager which is now software updater
[13:46] <MrChrisDruif> I does check automatically, but I just clicked "Check" and it requested my password
[13:46] <philinux> MrChrisDruif: not here and this is a clean alpha install
[13:46] <BluesKaj> philinux, i don't use update managers ..apt-get is sufficient
[13:46] <jbicha> MrChrisDruif: it works here without a a password, are you UID 1000?
[13:47] <philinux> BluesKaj: then how do you know how it behaves now
[13:47] <MrChrisDruif> BluesKaj; I agree, but it runs automatically, so I don't have to check manually every day
[13:47] <MrChrisDruif> (Or set a cron job)
[13:47] <philinux> BluesKaj: we are supposed to test guis too
[13:47] <BluesKaj> I assume since dpkg needs permissions , the so do update managers
[13:48] <BluesKaj> yeah i use muon once in a while , but I have it aliased and pwless with sudoer
[13:49] <MrChrisDruif> (It's only going as fast as it can...still waiting for it to finish)
[13:49] <philinux> BluesKaj: From the security team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Update_Manager_doesn.27t_prompt_for_security_updates
[13:49] <jbicha> BluesKaj: no, policykit can allow for admin users to do stuff without being root and without needing to enter their password
[13:49] <philinux> BluesKaj: much better for user imo
[13:50] <MrChrisDruif> apt-get update requires sudo and therefor password indeed
[13:51] <philinux> jbicha: any idea why cracklib-runtime and libcrack2 got installed
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ok , I didn't see that ... I satnd corrected , but if they want security seems like an odd thing to pass by
[13:51] <MrChrisDruif> But I kind of remember "SU" not needing a password just to "Check"/update the repos
[13:51] <philinux> BluesKaj: not for an admin user updating already installed software
[13:52] <philinux> new policy less intrusive
[13:52] <jbicha> philinux: I think those are dependencies of libpwquality, which was pulled in by the latest gnome-disk-utility
[13:53] <philinux> jbicha: what do they do?
[13:53] <philinux> check for weak passwords I guess but why depend on disks
[13:53] <jbicha> I don't know, checks if your password is secure enough?
[13:54] <jbicha> libpwquality also will be required by gnome-control-center for the User Password panel
[13:54] <philinux> jbicha: Ah ok. That must come into play when setting up new users
[13:55] <BluesKaj> not all users are admins ..in my case I am but , it doesn't matter much much
[13:55] <BluesKaj> much ;)
[13:55] <philinux> BluesKaj: Exactly so a non admin user would always get asked for paasword to update
[13:56] <MrChrisDruif> Not much more ;-)
[13:56] <qdb> hm now i have turned it on, i have forgotten that i should go to recovery mode, and it just started to work
[13:57] <philinux> qdb: why recovery
[13:59] <qdb> philinux, quantal showed only black screen. i wanted to look logs in recovery mode
[14:00] <philinux> qdb: ah so it now works ok?
[14:00] <qdb> yes
[14:00] <philinux> qdb: the joys of testing, marvellous
[14:01] <philinux> qdb: what graphics card are you running
[14:01] <qdb> thank you ) it is not mine. owner wanted correct screen resolution, +wifi. and also it wants gnome 2 and he is going to do that himself ..
[14:01] <qdb> gma 3600
[14:03] <ikonia> you won't be able to use gnome 2 with 12.10
[14:03] <ikonia> if you are suggesting he will - you need to advise him, he won't
[14:04] <philinux> Indeed
[14:04] <qdb> i said to him... but i and he were not sure that it is impossible
[14:05] <philinux> qdb: you would need to install gnome-panel and then select the correct session at login
[14:05] <qdb> gnome panel it sounds good )
[14:06] <philinux> qdb I've not tried it here as I'm happy with unity. I think adding to panel needs a key combo not just right click
[14:07] <philinux> qdb: try it
[14:32] <qdb> i have updated, restarted, and again black screen
[14:32] <qdb> then recocvery - resume norm boo - ok
[14:34] <philinux> qdb: did you try gnome-panel
[14:35] <BluesKaj> qdb, try the recovery mode , but choose the repair dialog then you'll probly see a partial install wasn't finished updae /upgrade and reboot
[14:35] <qdb> not yet , am installing
[14:35] <qdb> ok
[14:36] <philinux> qdb: post back how it went
[14:36] <qdb> what if just update /upgrade now, not from recovery
[14:37] <BluesKaj> qdb, it has to do with graphics drivers and X , i've seen it aon several pcs now , X/gdm/kdm cannot be running for the install to finish
[14:38] <qdb> i do not see selection of gnome in login
[14:38] <BluesKaj> or light-dm
[14:39] <philinux> qdb: I quess you already seen this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1953734&highlight=intel+gma
[14:39] <qdb> update - command is not found
[14:39] <qdb> this is just in terminal
[14:40] <philinux> qdb: i'm installing it here to test
[14:41] <philinux> qdb: brb
[14:41] <qdb> yes i have seen that.. but do not rememeber ) ...
[14:42] <qdb> i have made update dist upgrade
[14:42] <qdb> i ll try just rebooting
[14:42] <BluesKaj> qdb, when I say update/upgrade , I mean sudo apt-get update, then , sudo apt-get upgrade ..since you're testing an alpha OS I assume you know what "update" and "upgrade" mean in the terminal.
[14:43] <qdb> yes i have understood
[14:43] <qdb> blank screen
[14:43] <philinux> qdb: from login screen two options show up Gnome classic and same but no effects
[14:44] <qdb> i do not see that options. where they are
[14:48] <philinux> qdb: on the login screen the little gear top right of password box
[15:39] <qdb> philinux, yes it works ! what key combo to add applets?
[15:39] <philinux> qdb: I think it's alt right click
[15:42] <philinux> qdb: does that do it
[15:42] <qdb> works
[15:47] <philinux> qdb: marvellous
[16:30] <qdb> i had seen first and last pages of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1953734&highlight=intel+gma&page=7 .  now i look it whole. seems there is no solution for black screen problem
[16:36] <genii-around> Heh, from -kernel: <ricotz> hello, did someone here by mistake uploaded  "linux-lts-quantal - 3.5.0-2.2~precise1" to ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa?
[16:36] <qdb> desktop is shown only if go to recovery and resume normal boot. also seems after recovery - console - shutdown -r now, i ll test it ... why ? recovery makes something good, then desktop makes something bad, in eeepc, gma3600 videocard
[16:50] <qdb> "going to recovery mode, then root console, then "shutdown -r now" makes it restart and grub boot menu appears, without timer. press enter and it also loads normally."
[17:00] <ikonia> qdb: why are you using a development version of ubuntu that is very unstable if you don't really know what you are doing in terms of how to manage and fault find ?
[17:00] <ikonia> qdb: if you are not confident with fixing issues or debugging them, I'd suggest using the stable 12.04 release
[17:01] <qdb> ikonia, this should be reported as bug?
[17:01] <ikonia> qdb: that's not what I said
[17:01] <qdb> ikonia, this is not for me, this netbook
[17:01] <ikonia> again, that is nothing to do with what I said
[17:02] <qdb> i think he will live with that bug
[17:03] <qdb> he managed to get correct resolution, but wifi did not work. i tried to compile a kernel, but video driver has not worked and internet disappeared. other option is to try debian and compile kernel
[17:03] <ikonia> qdb: if you are not confident resolving issues I suggest you use 12.04
[17:04]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[17:06] <qdb> ikonia, i have read kernel compiling manual in ubuntu site, it was not very well... i compiled quantal kernel from git for 10.10
[17:06] <ikonia> that has nothing to do with what I said
[17:07] <qdb> ok but owner wants video driver, wifi, gnome 2. and he partially made it. i think if he wants that so much, he will use quantal
[17:07] <ikonia> sorry but that sounds like one of the most pointless and silly things to do
[17:07] <ikonia> please don't ask for support with that in here
[17:07] <ikonia> gnome 2 is dead and not available
[17:07] <qdb> but he is not used to use english sites
[17:07] <ikonia> quantal is unstable and in heavy development
[17:08] <qdb> gnome-panel looks quite like gnome 2 for me )
[17:12] <qdb> that person already used alpha releases
[20:19] <blackout> has anyone got a clue why there are the linux headers and image file in the repos but no kernel? 3.5.0.2.2
[20:20] <Pici> blackout: looks like it was dropped into proposed for some reason.
[20:26] <blackout> I have to thank all ubuntu contributors, quantal is really fixed fast and is now really worth to be used @ the moment
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> I guess "extra panes" is what is used for split-pane view in nautilus?
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> Does anyone know if split-pane view is removed only in Ubuntu or in all of GNOME?
[21:14] <arand> MrChrisDruif: It's a GNOME change if you refer to it being delegated to the temporary extra pane toggle.
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> The F3 which duplicated the current directory and made it (for me) easier to manage my files
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> F3 option*
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> It was called Split-pane view because that was what it did ^_^
[21:17] <MrChrisDruif> A small vid of it in action (not screencaptured by me): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx0DrLAWRTQ
[21:18] <arand> Hmm, does F3 not work at all in quantal?
[21:19] <MrChrisDruif> Not anymore with the recent update
[21:19] <MrChrisDruif> (It was also in the "View" dropdown menu
[21:23] <arand> Ah, it's intentional, upstream https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676858
[21:24] <arand> "Use side-by-side view in gnome-shell instead" "more discoverable and common in all pllications"
[21:25] <arand> Seems to be the argument, which is fair enough I guess, does Unity have similar side-split-snapping though?
[21:27] <MrChrisDruif> arand; yup, afaik. But I only use gnome-shell
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> arand; if you are on quantal in unity, you could try [Super]+[arrow right] or left
[21:32] <MrChrisDruif> It should "toss" the current window to the selected side
[21:32] <arand> Ah no, I'm on Debian, on gnome-shell :)
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe ^_^
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> Sid?
[21:36] <MrChrisDruif> Well, then Super+arrow should work for you as well ;-)
[21:36] <MrChrisDruif> (Arrow up for maximising)
[21:39] <arand> Yeah (need to start using those more).
[21:40] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe, yeah stop using Alt+F10 ;-)
[21:40] <MrChrisDruif> Ctrl+Alt+Up/Down for switching workspaces