[02:16] <bazhang> once in a blue moon; he was mostly offtopic
[02:33] <IdleOne> bazhang: I think that is johnD
[02:34] <bazhang> IdleOne, so do I
[02:34] <IdleOne> the spoonfed comment gave it away
[02:37] <Jordan_U> Hurray for lag. I typed !language at 19:34.
[02:37] <bazhang> seems like troll raid with all the recent joinees
[02:37] <IdleOne> sicko is going to be an issue
[02:39] <cprofitt> IdleOne: where is he?
[02:39] <bazhang> * [crackwhore] (~frumpy@dsl-64-246-157-138.bbr0.cxscny.statetel.com): crackedWhores
[02:39] <bazhang> thats offensive imo
[02:39] <IdleOne> cprofitt: in #ubuntu but seems Jordan_U has got him on track now
[02:40] <cprofitt> nice job Jordan_U !!
[02:41] <IdleOne> nicks like that don't get warnings
[02:41] <IdleOne> not from me anyhow
[03:03] <cprofitt> night all
[03:08]  * Jordan_U hates lag
[03:45] <bazhang> physicallyfit wants me to create a twitter account so he/she can follow me
[03:51] <elky> i wonder if twitter would let you have twitter.com/physicallyfitisveryannoying
[03:54] <bazhang> heh
 trying to change my /tmp folder to nonexec. Apparently there is a security hole there from what I've been reading
[04:33] <bazhang> seems like a mis-reading
[05:00] <bazhang> * [Kimura_] (~Kimura@216.151.186.26): ...
[05:00] <bazhang> bizarro
[05:29] <bazhang> * [LearnToTroll] (~Tr0II@99-50-112-119.lightspeed.chrlnc.sbcglobal.net): Zachary Stowe
[05:29] <bazhang> that can't be good
[06:02] <elky> bazhang, i only removed him
[06:02] <bazhang> elky, ah sorry
[06:03] <bazhang> some weird lag prevented me from kicking him in #ubuntu
[06:03] <elky> er it's doing ti to me too
[06:05] <elky> staff, is something up with services?
[06:05] <bazhang> no errors or anything. just give +o and then remove +o
[06:05] <elky> yeah
[06:05] <elky> ive seen it before
[06:06] <elky> usually when services are crapping out
[06:06] <bazhang> ok
[06:36] <init[dot]d> Any ops around?
[06:36] <init[dot]d> guess nort
[06:38] <bazhang> just a mom
[06:39] <bazhang> augh
[06:39] <bkerensa> =/
[06:39] <bazhang> the Moon must be in the house of UrNOTEHBOSSUVME today
[06:39] <bkerensa> bazhang: hah you been watching too ;)
[06:40] <bazhang> bkerensa, much to my chagrin :)
[06:41] <bkerensa> ;p
 Anyone ever used ubuntu satanic edition   <--- worst fears, confirmed
[06:47] <init[dot]d> any humans?
[06:47] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: How can we help you?
[06:48] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, I do appreciate the guidelines of #Ubuntu but to have people so heavy handed yet at the same time completely hypocrital makes following said guidelines a bit tough
[06:49] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: could you explain more?
[06:49] <init[dot]d> Numerous times today and the past few days comments have been made by other users in #Ubuntu about the attitude of bazhang
[06:50] <bazhang> ?
[06:50] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: Your not being clear enough for us to help you? What comments have they made about bazhang?
[06:50] <bazhang> odd I never saw those, as my name is set to highlight
[06:51] <init[dot]d> let me see if I have an example in my logs
[06:51] <bazhang> init[dot]d, what does this have to with you being warned to stay on topic, then continuing on after being warned to stop?
[06:51] <init[dot]d> but I doubt it will make a diff anyway
[06:51] <init[dot]d> lol
[06:51] <bazhang> mi3 was asked to stop. and did.
[06:51] <init[dot]d> bazhang, it has everything to do with you being a hypocritical douchebag
[06:51] <init[dot]d> nuff said
[06:52] <bazhang> init[dot]d, you were warned more than once, then continued nonetheless
[06:53] <bazhang> init[dot]d, name calling is not called for.  it's very simple: #ubuntu is a shared resource, and if everyone is typing asdfasdf LOLLL then it becomes unusable. some moderation is required
[06:53] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: Do you have a valid issue you need help with because it appears your complaint surrounds a operator enforcing our guidelines in a consistent manner with how they should be?
[06:53] <init[dot]d> nah my logs dont go back that far
[06:53] <init[dot]d> but it happened
[06:53] <bazhang> !1984 | init[dot]d
[06:53] <init[dot]d> guess not
[06:53] <bazhang> check there
[06:53] <init[dot]d> I appreciate the "community"
[06:54] <bkerensa> >.<
[06:54] <bazhang> so enforcing guidelines is bad
[06:54] <bazhang> ok then
[06:54] <bkerensa> apparently
[06:54] <bazhang> and now he wants to continue with name calling in PM. lovely
 can you un q me now please?
[06:55] <bkerensa> lol
[06:55] <init[dot]d> I guess you werent done scolding me
[06:57] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: We enforce the rules with equal measure... The rules exist to keep order in channels and keep them on focus with their purpose
[06:58] <init[dot]d> so in order to make a "legitimate" point I need to keep a detailed report on the op in question and present it like a lawyer otherwise it gets dismissed
[06:58] <init[dot]d> makes sense
[06:58] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: no
[06:58] <init[dot]d> but hear say is not admissable
[06:58] <init[dot]d> :(
[06:58] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: you have not even explained what your complaint is?
[06:58] <init[dot]d> I did
[06:59] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: you said bazhang was heavy handed in enforcing the guidelines
[06:59] <bkerensa> ?
[06:59] <init[dot]d> but you wanted proof and then dismissed it because my issue was with one of your buds
[06:59] <init[dot]d> I can understand I been there before
[06:59] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, very
[06:59] <init[dot]d> and at the same time hypocritical
[06:59] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: Did bazhang warn you?
[07:00] <init[dot]d> most likely
[07:00] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: did you continue to conduct he asked you to cease?
[07:00] <bkerensa> the*
[07:00] <init[dot]d> I apologize for being light hearted and inserting a sense of humor in the #Ubuntu channel
[07:00] <init[dot]d> humor is uncalled for and I understand that
[07:00] <init[dot]d> it will not happen again
[07:01] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: in #ubuntu it is in fact not the most appropriate place since it is a support channel and not a social channel.
[07:01] <init[dot]d> true
[07:01] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: are you appealing a ban or mute?
[07:01] <init[dot]d> and even Ubuntu-offtopic we are not allowed to be humerous
[07:01] <init[dot]d> mute
[07:02] <init[dot]d> humor should never be censored
[07:02] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: How long have you been muted?
[07:02] <init[dot]d> but thats just my opinion
[07:02] <init[dot]d> I unno
[07:02] <init[dot]d> not the point though
[07:03] <init[dot]d> I dont care about the muting or the reasons for it, I am pissed because the standard is only held against some and not others
[07:03] <init[dot]d> comprende?
[07:04] <bazhang> not really
[07:04] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: By being uncooperative your not giving me the impression that your able to adhere to the guidelines? Adding that you came in here and insulted a operator only strengthens that position. I suggest you take a break and try back in a few days and we can look at the situation again.
[07:04] <init[dot]d> your man/woman/thingamabober bazhang has been a douche at times and that is A ok, but let someone else say something he/she/it doesnt like and BAM ban hammer
[07:04] <bazhang> you worry about you, it's simple
[07:04] <init[dot]d> likewise
[07:05] <init[dot]d> I try to adhere to the guidelines but at times I slip
[07:05] <init[dot]d> sorry im a joker and it comes out naturally its not like I just want to piss ppl off it just happens but instead of a little thing called forebearance banhammer or bazhang  just lays down the law
[07:05] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: I don't think we can help you at this time your behavior towards bazhang is unacceptable
[07:06] <init[dot]d> alright
[07:06] <init[dot]d> appreciate the sense of community
[07:06] <init[dot]d> communism more like it lol
[07:06] <bkerensa> =/
[07:07] <init[dot]d> wait so now im banned from #Ubuntu?
[07:07] <bazhang> yep
[07:07] <init[dot]d> and why?
[07:08] <bazhang> init[dot]d, we just went over why you were +q
[07:08] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: You have repeatedly demonstrated that your not able to follow Ubuntu IRC Guidelines
[07:09] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, by one slip?
[07:09] <init[dot]d> wow
[07:09] <bazhang> I suggest you return in 48 hours to discuss the +b
[07:09] <bkerensa> init[dot]d:  ^
[07:09] <init[dot]d> will it matter then?
[07:09] <init[dot]d> or is it just to prove the powers?
[07:10] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: If you show us that you can change and start following the guidelines and be respectful (Code of Conduct) then it may play a role in the decision making process.
[07:10] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: But as bazhang has stated we would ask you come back no earlier than 48 hours.
[07:11] <init[dot]d> I did follow the guidelines I admit I slipped a few times but I did cut it out when reminded. My issue was with bazhang acting like an ass to people and that was fine with you
[07:11] <init[dot]d> I just want to understand why I MUST adhere to the coc and bazhang  can follow whatever
[07:12] <init[dot]d> I admit I was disrespectful so I was wrong there
[07:12] <init[dot]d> I am a bit hot headed
[07:12] <bazhang> so come back in 48 hrs
[07:12] <bazhang> simple.
[07:12] <init[dot]d> but that does not excuse hypocrisy
[07:12] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: you have no told been able to demonstrate any occasion where bazhang may have crossed the lines but yet you have insulted him in this channel twice
[07:12] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: please part the channel and come back in 48 hours
[07:12] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, I apologize my logs dont go back that far
[07:12] <bazhang> init[dot]d, is 48 hrs too soon. perhaps longer is necessary to cool off and think clearly for you
[07:13] <init[dot]d> I offered to keep a detailed report
[07:13] <bazhang> !1984 | init[dot]d
[07:13] <init[dot]d> ok
[07:13] <bazhang> those are the logs. have at them.
[07:13] <init[dot]d> and in 48 then I can say my piece?
[07:13] <init[dot]d> or get kicked and banned then as well
[07:14] <bkerensa> init[dot]d: correct we will be willing to discuss this further in 48 hours but not any further at this time
[07:14] <bazhang> say your piece about what? more name calling?
[07:14] <init[dot]d> bkerensa, ok I appreciate that
[07:14] <bkerensa> and 60 seconds
[07:14] <bkerensa> drum roll!
[07:15] <bazhang> and the drama!   curtain
[07:15] <bkerensa> :P
[07:15] <bazhang> check out his -ot quit
[07:23] <elky> bazhang, did you notice that mass broken pipe quit
[07:24] <bkerensa> tango down
[07:24] <bazhang> elky, yeah. nice foreshadowing by you
[07:24] <bazhang> or premonition, whatever it's called
[07:25] <elky> we might need a staffer to tell us if it's sus or not
[07:25] <elky> i'm going for "yes" right now, but we can't really do anything until something happens
[07:30] <bazhang> dulynoted : a duly noted troll on multiple channels
[07:30] <elky> indeed
[07:32] <elky> i think this might have been that mass pipe quit
[07:33] <bkerensa> huh
[07:33] <elky> bkerensa, when splits splat, the bots can't tell them from a botnet
[07:33] <bkerensa> I see ;o
[07:33] <elky> not all splits split typically
[07:33] <elky> some just fade away
[07:33] <bkerensa> but that wasnt a normal netsplit was it?
[07:34] <elky> no, twas more the latter
[07:34] <elky> networks are silly things
[07:35] <bkerensa> indeed... well good night elky and bazhang I better get some sleep
[07:35] <bazhang> night bkerensa
[07:38] <elky> and there's the proper split
[07:44] <elky> "jihad" in a nick instantly sets off my trolldar
[07:46] <bazhang> thought that was just warofthenerd using a new nick
[07:47] <elky> i hope so, kind of. that doesn't exactly disprove my point though
[07:47] <bazhang> true
[08:24] <aetoxx> Can you explain how I cannot say that some Ubuntu packager clearly messed up the packaging of an important non-trivial application?
[08:24] <ikonia> aetoxx: sure
[08:25] <aetoxx> You should be happy that I even say things are not working.
[08:25] <ikonia> aetoxx: as I said to you, if you need / want help, you need to start giving details and information, and not saying odd cyptic things like "no-one uses ubuntu" and ranting that the packager didn't do his job, people will help you resolve the problem, or log a bug against the package if there is a problem
[08:25] <aetoxx> It costs me time and in response you ban me.
[08:25] <ikonia> aetoxx: if you feel you can interact with the support resouce in the manner I've just descrived you are welcome to rejoin
[08:25] <aetoxx> ikonia, I suggest you take some reading classes, because I already said there was a bug filed for it in 2011.
[08:25] <ikonia> described even
[08:26] <ikonia> aetoxx: that's great, so you know there is a problem, so either add to the report, or accept there is a known bug (whatever is detailed in that bug report)
[08:26] <aetoxx> ikonia, I was discussing the very position of the packager for that package.
[08:26] <ikonia> making silly comments and ranting won't help
[08:26] <aetoxx> ikonia, I think a project shouldn't just let anyone be able to commit anything.
[08:27] <ikonia> well, that's great, but that's not how it works
[08:27] <aetoxx> ikonia, what does Ubuntu do to protect its users from such idiocy?
[08:27] <ikonia> remove them from the channel, as I've just done
[08:27] <ikonia> aetoxx: howevever, if you can use the support resource (as I've just described) you're welcome to rejoin it
[08:27] <aetoxx> ikonia, I am sorry, but I have PhD. in CS.
[08:28] <aetoxx> ikonia, so, it's not I who is the idiot.
[08:28] <ikonia> then please use the channel in the manner I have explained
[08:28] <aetoxx> ikonia, unless I closed my eyes for a second and in the mean while everyone got a 150+ IQ.
[08:29] <ikonia> I'm not really interested in this discussion, so I'm going to make it clear/simple
[08:29] <ikonia> aetoxx: do you wish to use the #ubuntu support channel, yes/no ?
[08:29] <aetoxx> ikonia, you are saying I am the idiot.
[08:29] <aetoxx> ikonia, I think you should apologize.
[08:29] <ikonia> aetoxx: do you wish to use the #ubuntu support channel, yes/no ?
[08:29] <aetoxx> ikonia, yes
[08:29] <ikonia> aetoxx: can you use the channel in the manner I have described
[08:29] <aetoxx> ikonia, and you should apologize.
[08:29] <ikonia> aetoxx: can you use the channel in the manner I have described yes/no
[08:30] <aetoxx> ikonia, where is it not off-topic to discuss suitability of people in this project?
[08:30] <ikonia> aetoxx: can you use the channel in the manner I have described yes/no
[08:30] <ikonia> aetoxx: please answer the question
[08:30] <aetoxx> ikonia, should I put up a website showing a list of idiots within the project?
[08:31] <AlanBell> aetoxx: ikonia is trying to help you here, just answer the question
[08:31] <ikonia> bye
[08:31] <aetoxx> That was a not so serious suggestion.
[08:32] <ikonia> aetoxx: if you wish this to continue, please answer the question
[08:32] <aetoxx> Yes
[08:32] <ikonia> aetoxx: can you use the channel in the manner I have described yes/no
[08:32] <ikonia> aetoxx: great, so now please /part this channel, and /join #ubuntu and use it in the manner I have described please.
[08:32] <aetoxx> I would like to know where it is discussed who can remain a packager and who cannot.
[08:33] <ikonia> it's not
[08:33] <ikonia> there is no such place
[08:33] <aetoxx> Do you think that's a good thing?
[08:33] <ikonia> I'm not interested in this discussion
[08:33] <aetoxx> In a company that would never happen.
[08:33] <ikonia> if you wish to use #ubuntu, please /join #ubuntu and /part this channel
[08:33] <ikonia> other wise, pleaes just /part this channel
[08:34] <aetoxx> What kind of nonsense is this? I cannot discuss it here and I cannot discuss it in #ubuntu.
[08:34] <ikonia> correct
[08:35] <aetoxx> And the same holds for the ubuntu forums?
[08:35] <ikonia> yes
[08:35] <aetoxx> I thought Ubuntu was for human beings.
[08:35] <aetoxx> It seems to be more for the Borg collective.
[08:36] <ikonia> ok, we are done now.
[08:36] <ikonia> please /part the channel, and you're free to use #ubuntu in the manner I've explained
[08:36] <aetoxx> You seriously don't see anything wrong with that?
[08:36] <ikonia> discussion over.
[08:36] <aetoxx> I would like to know the rationale for such rules.
[08:36] <aetoxx> They seem rather restrictive.
[08:36] <ikonia> yes, if you want to rant, they are restrictive
[08:36] <aetoxx> I.e. who specifically wrote down those rules?
[08:37] <ikonia> the IRC Community Council
[08:37] <aetoxx> I can know who created some law in the real world too.
[08:37] <ikonia> I'm sure with your massive IQ you can understand that an IRC channel has no relevence to real world law
[08:37] <ikonia> so I suggest you park any further conversation and /part now
[08:38] <AlanBell> aetoxx: this channel is for resolving issues relating to users removed from #ubuntu, which has been done. Go read about MOTU on the Ubuntu wiki and all the processes there around becoming a packager
[08:38] <AlanBell> and for proprietary software go speak to the people who make it
[08:38] <aetoxx> AlanBell, in this case it is the packager which takes a perfectly well working piece of software and turns it into feces.
[08:39] <aetoxx> AlanBell, I am not suggesting that Ubuntu should even package it.
[08:39] <aetoxx> AlanBell, but when they do, they can expect that it just shows a very bad image.
[08:46] <ikonia> aetoxx: I think we are now done in this channel.
[08:46] <aetoxx> Who appointed the IRC Communicty Council?
[08:46] <ikonia> the Ubuntu Community Council
[08:47] <aetoxx> And in the end there is some master from Canonical?
[08:47] <ikonia> not really, members of canonical sit on the various boards as community members also
[08:48] <aetoxx> ikonia, so, you are saying you are just following rules and you didn't make them?
[08:48] <ikonia> to keep it simple "yes"
[08:49] <aetoxx> I have the impression that the rules are there to just reduce work.
[08:49] <ikonia> your impression is wrong, I'm sorry you feel that way
[08:49] <ikonia> anything else you need from the Ubuntu operator team ?
[08:49] <ikonia> or are you now comfortable with how to use #ubuntu  ?
[08:50] <aetoxx> No, but I don't agree with your values. It basically means that I should use other places to express some opinions about Ubuntu.
[08:50] <ikonia> ok, your disagreement with the values has been noted, thank you
[08:50] <aetoxx> The 'no' was in regard to the 'whether I need anything'.
[08:50] <ikonia> please /part this channel and go about your IRC day. take care.
[08:51] <aetoxx> Bye
[08:51] <ikonia> bye
[11:05] <chu> teamwork :)
[11:15] <IdleOne> chu: rupert in -ot is the same person/bot that just got banned in #u
[11:15] <chu> Yep!
[11:16] <chu> Wait, rupert or that rrjou* bot elky removed?
[11:16] <chu> Mmm, I should check hostnames.
[12:03] <IdleOne> LjL: maybe better to direct remontees to -fr?
[12:03] <Pici> I don't think a language barrier is his problem
[12:04] <IdleOne> true
[12:06] <IdleOne> he's already there anyway
[12:06] <IdleOne> asking if using the proposed repos is safe
[14:31] <LjL> so what's the deal with this "hacker" webchat directing to #u-o by default?
[14:32] <ikonia> that's pretty much it
[14:32] <ikonia> website with an IRC web chat client, the default channel is offtopic
[14:32] <LjL> not a fan of that
[14:32] <Pici> odd.
[14:32] <Pici> me either.
[14:32] <ikonia> look at the people who keep saying it though in offtopic
[14:32] <Pici> Was contemplating banning it, but I didn't see any traffic from that host in my logs.
[14:33] <ikonia> their nicknames are random enough to be the same
[14:33] <Pici> (rather, in my historical logs)
[14:33] <ikonia> and their IP's are identical
[14:33] <ikonia> it's almost like a bot, it joins, says it's script and /parts, changes nickname and does it again
[17:05] <superuser> hello?
[17:08] <ikonia> hey superuser
[17:08] <ikonia> sorry, I thought someone else was dealing with your request
[17:08] <superuser> are you an operator?
[17:08] <ikonia> yes
[17:09] <ikonia> I'm just pulling up the info on you, could you tell me why you where banned from #ubuntu please ?
[17:09] <ikonia> lets see if we can sort this out
[17:10] <superuser> i dont understand why they banned me i havent been on here for about a week id say and then when i came back the server said i cannot join
[17:10] <ikonia> superuser: ok, grabbed the info on your ban
[17:11] <ikonia> superuser: you where banned for making homophobic remarks/jokes about people
[17:11] <superuser> no i looked at the logs
[17:11] <ikonia> which logs ?
[17:11] <superuser> the channel logs
[17:11] <ikonia> where /
[17:11] <ikonia> ?
[17:12] <superuser> publicly posed on line?
[17:12] <ikonia> yes, which logs did you look at ?
[17:12] <superuser> hold on a moment
[17:12] <ikonia> sure,
[17:13] <superuser> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/
[17:14] <ikonia> superuser: ok, which log where you looking at in there ?
[17:14] <superuser> i scanned thro all of them sence i last used it
[17:14] <ikonia> what where you looking for
[17:14] <ikonia> (don't worry, I'm sure this can be sorted out)
[17:15] <superuser> i was searching to see if someone had used my computer and screwed me over... but i found notthing
[17:16] <ikonia> on the 2012-06-25 a nickname called "sudododo" was making homophobic reference to people
[17:16] <ikonia> it was coming from your machine
[17:17] <superuser> could it have been from a different computer on my home network?
[17:17] <ikonia> it appeared to be coming from your current PC
[17:17] <ikonia> today
[17:17] <ikonia> using the freenode web chat client
[17:18] <superuser> alright sorry to wase your time, im going to get to the bottom of this
[17:18] <ikonia> superuser: hang on there
[17:18] <ikonia> superuser: so just to be clear, that was not "you" as in the person sat at the end of the keyboard
[17:18] <superuser> no it could not have been
[17:19] <ikonia> ok, well if I remove the ban from your computer that should allow you to join #ubuntu and stop having to misslead people in #lubuntu and #xubuntu that you are using lubuntu and xubuntu
[17:19] <ikonia> that should make it easier to just get straight forward support in #ubuntu
[17:19] <ikonia> if you could look into the security on your machine to stop other people using it, that would be most appreciated
[17:19] <ikonia> is that ok ?
[17:19] <superuser> thank you, im still going to run an interrogation in my home
[17:20] <ikonia> give me a moment and I'll sort your ban out
[17:20] <superuser> what was the exact date and time of the incident?
[17:20] <ikonia> one moment
[17:21] <ikonia> the ban happed at 6:07 today
[17:21] <ikonia> superuser: I've removed the ban for you, you should be able to join #ubuntu if you want to try now
[17:21] <superuser> but i would not let me log on yesterday evening
[17:21] <genii-around> ikonia: 6:07 GMT?
[17:22] <ikonia> hang on
[17:22] <ikonia> UTC
[17:23] <ikonia> superuser: can you try to join #ubuntu please ?
[17:23] <superuser> oh yes sorry im deep in thought right now
[17:24] <superuser> yeah its working now, thank you
[17:24] <ikonia> superuser: no problem, if you don't need anything more from the ops team, please /part this channel, but pleaes come back if you need anything from us
[17:25] <superuser> alright i appreciate it
[17:25] <ikonia> no problem
[18:45] <bazhang> mah454 has been an issue before
[19:11] <bazhang> is mrdarkuser in #kubuntu making any sense?
[19:26] <bazhang> theadmin seems quite casual/careless with 'help' at times
[19:31] <ikonia> she's normally pretty solid,
[19:33] <Jordan_U> This particular mistake was *really* bad. I'm not sure how many people are aware that partition tables are recoverable. If I hadn't cought this it could have meant jeremiah__ losing *all* their data.
[19:34] <Jordan_U> So, if there is a history of things like this (meaning they haven't learned from past experience and we're not sure they'll learn from this one) we should follow up with theadmin. I'm not going to check or follow up as I'm busy getting jeremiah's data back right now.
[19:34] <ikonia> Jordan_U: normally she's solid
[19:35] <ikonia> maybe just having a bad/lazy day
[19:35] <ikonia> I know I sometimes sigh when you see people messing around and wrecking their partition tables
[19:37] <Jordan_U> ikonia: OK.
[19:37] <bazhang> he just shrugs it off, and says "I use arch, why should I care/learn"
[19:38] <ikonia> really ?
[19:39] <ikonia> I've never had her give that sort of response to me
[19:39] <bazhang> has done so on multiple occasions, yes
[19:40] <ikonia> I'm surprised and dissapointed, I thought she may have been a good op when she applied with a little help
[19:40] <ikonia> she's always been good with me, would you like me to have a small chat with her ?
[19:43] <Myrtti> I wasn't too happy when he gave instructions on how to evade bans
[19:43] <ikonia> what ???
[19:43] <Myrtti> I talked her about that
[19:43] <ikonia> theadmin ?
[19:43] <Myrtti> yup
[19:43] <ikonia> I'm really surprised
[19:44] <Myrtti> the explanation was along the lines of "oops, I didn't think"
[19:44] <ikonia> I'll talk to her, as if she is still keen on becoming an op, she should be made aware of a few of the things she needs to change
[19:51] <bazhang> hfsplus sighted
[19:51] <Jordan_U> Hmm, testdisk found their partitions but is planning to make them all primary, where as two of them were logical before.
[19:51] <Jordan_U> I guess it should still work.
[19:53] <Unit193> Jordan_U: I must say, testdisk is simply amazing.
[19:53] <Jordan_U> Unit193: Indeed :)
[20:02] <Jordan_U> Mission accomplished.
[22:51] <Anxi80> I would like to report that I have been wrongfully quieted in #ubuntu
[22:53] <IdleOne> Anxi80: Why do you believe it was wrongful?
[22:53] <Anxi80> Because I was stating fact with source regarding a bug with installing dropbox through Ubuntu Software Center and the op didn't like it
[22:54] <Anxi80> said it was my point of view yet i linked launchpad bug
[22:54] <IdleOne> ok, well the fact is not in dispute. you are correct the is a bug concerning dropbox.
[22:55] <IdleOne> The problem is that #ubuntu is not the place to continuously report bugs. That is why launchpad exists.
[22:55] <Anxi80> the op kept stating that I was saying that the bug is with ubuntu when i was not and I requoted myself
[22:56] <Anxi80> You are right but I wasn't reporting. I was giving a friendly "PSA"
[22:56] <Anxi80> I wasn't looking for resolution as I solved it on my own
[22:56] <IdleOne> You were asked by a channel op to stop spamming, essentially after the first time you are asked to stop it becomes spam, and you didn't stop. You went so far as to make sure that you highlighted the op to make sure they saw you go against the channel rules
[22:56] <Anxi80> no spam warnings were given
[22:57] <IdleOne> So, I don;t see the quiet as wrongful and it will not be removed at this time.
[22:57] <Anxi80> just disagreement
[22:57] <IdleOne> being asked to stop is a warning
[22:58] <Anxi80> I was told to stop stating my point of view and I kept explaining that it wasnt a point of view and that they should look at the link i provided
[22:58] <Anxi80> I have nothing further to add your honor
[22:58] <IdleOne> alright.
[22:58] <IdleOne> Please part the channel and have a great day :)
[22:59] <Anxi80> I just have a question, is the quiet indefinite or does it run out on its own?
[22:59] <IdleOne> it may be indefinite, most things don't last forever.
[23:00] <Anxi80> so am I supposed to return here in the near future to appeal again?
[23:00] <IdleOne> I think the best thing is you take a few days out of #ubuntu and maybe come back at a later date after you have had time to think about how your actions affected #ubuntu. you may also want to have a read of the !guidelines. see /msg ubottu !guidelines
[23:03] <IdleOne> Anxi80: was there anything else I could help you with?
[23:03] <Myrtti> Anxi80: here's something to think about: there are hundreds of bugs filed into Ubuntu every day. There are thousands of people in #ubuntu every day. Those people don't necessarily use Dropbox - it might be a small fraction. If all the bugs in Ubuntu were to get a PSA, #ubuntu - a channel for strictly support issues, not bug filing or PSA's, would boggle down to useless.
[23:04] <Anxi80> IdleOne, thank you
[23:05] <Anxi80> Myrtti, You are absolutely correct but I don't see what the harm is. I got a very harsh reaction I am quite certain but I have no problem in refraining from such PSA's in the future
[23:05] <IdleOne> Myrtti: that was an excellent point.
[23:07] <Myrtti> Anxi80: that was exactly the point
[23:07] <IdleOne> Anxi80: the harm is that the channel would devolve into chaos. it is hard enough to maintain it at a level that is usable. We can't have PSA's going on all day
[23:08] <Anxi80> Myrtti, I knew that before I even wrote the PSA. My goal is not to PSA every bug I see ofcourse. I am a developer myself. It's just that I got agressively put down about it being my point of view
[23:09] <IdleOne> Like I said earlier, take a few days and come back, we can talk about it then and see if we can remove the mute.
[23:09] <Anxi80> no problem
[23:09] <IdleOne> Thank you.
[23:09] <mneptok> Anxi80: there is a reason that ubottu does not automatically announce new Launchpad bugs. having meatspace do it is no better. you have excellent intentions, but the wholly wrong platform.
[23:09] <Anxi80> IdleOne, Myrtti, Thanks and have an excellent day
[23:09] <Myrtti> Anxi80: thanks, you too
[23:11] <IdleOne> A Montrealer.
[23:11] <mneptok> hostie.
[23:11] <Myrtti> poutine.
[23:11] <IdleOne> hehe
[23:11] <IdleOne> poutine is a bad word. language! < Myrtti
[23:12] <mneptok> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=87123  <--- poutine *is* a bad word right now.
[23:12] <IdleOne> I got tatters boiling
[23:12] <mneptok> (~36C if your head doesn't do it)
[23:13] <Myrtti> it shows it in C's for me
[23:13] <elky> wunderground changes the temp display basedon geolocation
[23:13] <mneptok> what's 'TAY-ters' precious?
[23:14] <Myrtti> anyhoo
[23:14] <mneptok> elky: smooth. another reason i use them. probably another reason my head does C and F, from living in both as a wunderuser.
[23:15] <elky> It's a relatively small range of numbers really, it's not hard to learn the corresponding value by rote
[23:16] <genii-around> Poutine is never a bad word!!!!
[23:17] <bkerensa> Mmm now I want Portland Poutine
[23:17] <bkerensa> >.<
[23:18] <elky> is portland poutine different?
[23:18] <elky> is it the "poutine" with cheese sauce instead of squeaky cheese?
[23:19] <bkerensa> elky: its just poutine :P but there is a site called portlandpoutine.com that is for poutine fanatics in Portland ;0
[23:19] <elky> ah
[23:20] <mneptok> i kinda miss PDX. i kinda don't.
[23:21] <genii-around> bkerensa: I go to this place here: http://smokespoutinerie.com/
[23:22] <bkerensa> mneptok: I quite frankly dislike it here :P I miss California
[23:22] <bkerensa> omg genii-around that looks so good =o
[23:25] <bazhang> Like ban dodging in -ot
[23:48] <bkerensa> =o
[23:49] <marienz> I'm not quite sure what the trigger invocation was for
[23:50] <marienz> it looks like someone showing off their window manager/gtk theme
[23:51] <bkerensa> marienz: it was not clear thats what that was at first ;)
[23:54] <bazhang> whoa chanserv is freaking out
[23:55] <elky> marienz, if we banned *dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy would we get many other than "Like" in #ubuntu or -offtopic?
[23:55] <bazhang> giving double channel operator status to b kerensa
[23:56] <elky> seems to me only 3 users from that isp online at the moment, i'm no doubt missing some though
[23:57] <bkerensa> bazhang: yeah and it lagged pretty heavy
[23:57] <marienz> elky: you're missing several
[23:58] <bkerensa> bazhang: I fired off the kb pretty hyper-vigilantly due to the ops trigger and seeing "porn"
[23:59] <bazhang> bkerensa, I'd have done the same, honestly, I was commenting on chanserv giving double o p s